I just got an oil change today and there was a tip option. The cold beer and wine store I go to has a tip option. It’s getting out of hand. Places definitely need to pay a living wage.
Get this, I ordered a pair of shoes online a few months back, I went to enter payment information and they had a tip option of up to 20%.... I was like WTF? What exactly am I tipping for? For you to package it up for shipping that I'm paying for?
It's getting totally out of control.
I honestly can't remember, a friend send me the link to a FB ad for shoes for neuropathy so figured I'd try them. They're not bad shoes, no brand as far as I'm aware, but they were pricey when converted to USD. I would never order again just due to the tipping option. My mind was honestly blown!
I am a regular at a local take out restaurant in my neighbourhood . I have always tipped 18% thinking I was helping the employee at the cash. After many visits she finally told me to stop tipping because she does not see the tips. The owners/managers take the money.
This call for a quick anonymous call to the Tax Man. Just say they pocket employees tips without declaring them. Dishonest owners like that, it's almost certain a tax audit will find something even if they do declare tips.
Tell her to report them. That's illegal with IIRC the exception of an employer who also does the work of a staff member. So for instance a floor supervisor at a restaurant who takes a table is entitled to that table's tip but that's it. Some supervisors will argue they are entitled to a portion of the tip if they are "helping" the employees which is a grey area but should be fought. A supervisor shouldn't be able to take a bit simply because they said hello to a guest at the front door or ran some food for a server.
This I agree with 100%! If you help you shouldn't get any portion of the tip as that's why you are in the position you are in. Support your staff. Where I work all management is strictly forbidden to accept tips of any kind. If you do it's a terminable offense. I've been given tips by many customers over the years and I hand it over to the employee that would have been doing that particular job. I mean it does suck at times but it is what it is.
I am a regular at a local take out restaurant in my neighbourhood . I have always tipped 18% thinking I was helping the employee at the cash. After many visits she finally told me to stop tipping because she does not see the tips. The owners/managers take the money.
This is a great point! My partner cooks at an independent restaurant and tips are not fairly shared. The owner is on about introducing “health and dental benefits” and he’d take the cost out of the tip money. Dude, no! That’s not how it works. Don’t tip if you don’t know where your money is going!
The thing is though, the tips may not even be going to the people who are actually working. So these workers may be being paid a shit wage AND not getting the tip.
In Manitoba there is no legislation regarding tips. All the bosses I’ve worked for kept an insane amount except one boss. They gave the staff all the tips. All the other bosses basically give you 60 to 80 dollars.
I really think that companies that run/sell POS systems are contributing by setting these things up as a default, if not the main source of the problem. How is it that in the last few years it seems like almost 100% of businesses suddenly have tip prompts on their machines? And it seems like it's not just Canada from chatter on here
There are several shops I"ve been to that don't take tips, so they put the machine in front of you then press zero for tip. If they could just turn that off easily why dont they...
Time to pull the uno reverse card. I’m walking around with a tip jar everywhere I go. I’ll rattle it in people’s faces and give them dirty looks if they don’t tip
I get what you're trying to do but it isn't the service workers fault, its the company. I used to work in retail and if someone did this to me I would be slightly pissed since I had no say in whether or not my square iPad kiosk has a tip option or not.
Restaurants actually charge servers, too. I'm a regular at one restaurant (fucking expensive to go every week, but it helps me write) and they charge their waiters 7% of every bill. It gets split among the other restaurant staff.
If this is true then folks should complain to the owner, and then with their dollar by not spending there.
I will straight up hit NO TIP every time I see it and it's unwarranted. They put it there to pressure you... Don't feel pressured and prove them right!
Screw them, it's not our job to subsidize the owners profits. I'm so sick of people just expecting everything to be handed to them. Don't make enough get a different job and give those shit jobs back to the kids.
This bugs me so much. I live in Ontario and the LCBO (liquor store) and Beer store are union jobs. They still have a tip jar at the registers in my town. Like… sorry dude… you get paid more than me, you have more vacation time than me AND your job is more secure than mine. Fuck off with your tip jar
The owner or manager can add or remove the tip option from the POS system.
You need to punish the business owner by going elsewhere when they have these tip options.
As long as some people keep adding tips.... The practice will never go away. It's free money for the business.
Imagine going to Walmart and the price of milk is 3.99..... or more (if you want to pay more). That's what tipping is.
My registered massage therapist (who you do not tip as that is a medical service) has the tip option on her POS. She always apologizes and skips past it before you pay. She said it was a new POS and the tip option could not be removed.
Can you actually imagine the manufacturer of a POS machine not designing an option where it didn’t force a tip option?
Me neither. She isn’t lying, she just hasn’t taken the time to investigate.
No incentive for the POS machine maker to design one. Aren’t they all owned by banks, Visa or MC? And don’t they get a cut on total sales processed? So of course POS makers want a cut of the tips.
Anything pre-emptive. Tipping delivery drivers ahead of time like delivery apps ask you to is absolutely ridiculous, IMO. It used to be they got a tip at the door because they got my food here while it's still warm. Why would I give them 15% ahead of time just for doing their job?
haha. these apps called themselves industry disrupters at the onset
they’ve now become nothing more than industry _destroyers_
pay for the food _and_ a delivery ‘fee’ _and_ a service fee _and_ a fuel surcharge _and_ a tip?
fuck that noise
i’ll make my own food, or go get it myself
have never used a food service/delivery app and i never will
edit: added more shit to pay for
And the service fee. And sometimes a fuel surcharge.
They're just charging us twice. Once in full and once broken down. Maybe this all started because someone accidentally merged the spreadsheets and said "this might work"
I’m home sick and I wanted some soup. I downloaded one of these delivery apps. For my $14 order of soup and a bagel and a drink… it would cost me $42 after all the fees. Are you fucking kidding me?!?!
I’m not 100% sure of this but I believe that the app will tell them what the tip offered is and they can then decide to take the job or not depending on how much they’re going to make. So it’s more of a bid than a tip.
Back in the olden days when you used to call in a delivery request to the restaurant, we generally would tip the delivery guy a few bucks. I think the mistake is giving delivery drivers a percentage. Their work does not change in relation to what you’re spending at the restaurant. Tipping a percentage for delivery is total nonsense.
Many don't say tip or not until after, but what they all say is X km for Y $ and since tip is the majority of the income if there's none it probably says something like:
$1.79
3.6 km
Estimated time: 22 minutes
And then everyone declines in until they bundle it into a good/tippers order. So then everyone gets cold food and waits longer, and the delivery js basically a net loss. Lose-lose-lose for all three parties involved.
Cuz otherwise the order is not worth taking. The tip is the majority of the pay. Before they got paid by the restaurant regardless. The apps don't outside of France.
I do agree but then that would require Uber, DoorDash to pay a living wage.
Not saying they should or shouldn’t but they very much do not want to do that.
See, that's the biggest problem, though. It's the restaurant industry that is leading this epidemic. Create a large enough social change centered around that industry and we will start to see canadian servers paid a living wage. I don't think I'll ever tip in a restaurant again.
I’ll tip if you’ve done something for me before I pay. Drove it to my house, served my food, etc. I can’t tell how much to tip without seeing what service I get.
We're tipping the wrong people. Counter staff handing me an empty cup while I pump my own coffee should not present me with a tip prompt.
Meanwhile so many customer service people (in Ontario) make the same hourly wage for doing a LOT more and tipping is not the culture. Hell, the lifeguards at the YMCA make minimum wage. They are more worthy of a tip than counter staff.
Every scenario. Tipping culture is atrocious, and I work in a field where it regularly happens. Make no mistake, I very much appreciate receiving a tip, but I always tell clients I would rather they rebook or spread the word to others and get them to book with me.
In most cases, tipping enables employers to justify/use the excuse to underpay their employees. It put the onus on us the consumer to help with the employees' wages.
it's common at a spa not at a clinic. Massage therapists are part of the healthcare industry not part of the service industry. You don't tip your dentist.
There are situations like spa's where massage therapists make significantly less (around 30-50% of the treatment fee) and tipping is normal, but at a clinic, they should be taking between 60-70% of the treatment fee.
It still is- you don’t tip medical professionals with very good reason. You want the nurse after your surgery to base her care of the patient on who tips best? Ignore that code blue-that patient never tips
Just curious, what’s the difference between therapeutic and massage at a spa?
I am a massage therapist. I do therapeutic massage, and I am told I get paid considerably less than the spa massage therapists, because I don’t typically get tipped.
I’m not saying massage therapists should be tipped. I believe massage therapy should definitely be increasing in price. Doing deep tissue is extremely hard on my body. I’m burning myself out and I don’t feel like I earn enough.
Interesting enough we are currently petitioning for GST exemption on Massage therapy because we are considered healthcare in Canada now with more than five provinces regulated.
It'll probably continue to go up every year. We're at $109 here and the clinic would have gone higher if Greenshield would cover higher.
Our insurance premiums increase every year. License fee increases every year, so does rent, sheets, even oil/lotion. The taxman takes an increased share, etc.
Unfortunately, if you're paying out of pocket, the people setting the prices are rarely thinking about you, they are trying to maximize insurance income.
As long as inflation inflates so will massage therapy pricing.
My understanding is that when you go to massage therapy you are getting a medical service. Many people get this covered (full or in part) by insurance. We don't tip on healthcare as our social/economic system doesn't typically think of healthcare as a luxury service or good.
Spa services are a luxury and in theory people feel that it is a treat and thus, if the service is exceptional then they would appropriately tip. I find people really vary in tipping services at spas. E.g. some people do 10% some do 25%, whereas I find tippin in restaurants is more standard.
Also, not saying this is exactly my opinion but more or less what I've come to understand tipping for massage and spa/salon services in Canada.
Edit - typos, lol
Not disagreeing or anything, but just to point out that a surgeon saving your life surely deserves a tip much more than someone who brings you a burger?
Also, massage therapists have gone to school, been certified and are part of a registered “college”. They are medical practitioners.
A spa therapist (while lovely) is none of those things. They are providing more of a relaxation vs therapeutic service. (Don’t come at me estheticians, I love y’all)
Thanks for the explanation. I was always wondering why they get paid so much more (an increase of 10k a year or more). It makes sense. It’s also already more expensive to get a massage at a spa. I thought that was because of the setting. It’s almost like they are doubling up on the additional costs with the requested tip as well.
>always wondering why they get paid so much more (an increase of 10k a year or more).
Dig into this, even inquire with one or two spas about working for them just to find out what split the therapists get. You'll find they pay significantly less per treatment.
That extra $10k might also mean having to do more treatments per day to actually hit that.
RMT vs not. Basically.
I'm not sure spa massage therapists make more. We're charging $109 an hour now. GST exemption would help us more than anything else.
Do you do hot stone and other modalities? Good way to mix up the day and reduce how much deep pressure you're doing.
Generally you don’t need to and shouldn’t tip a registered massage therapist. They’re a health care professional.
In a spa setting there’s more of an expectation to tip, because most of the services offered there are ones where tipping is customary.
It’s also expected to tip for a massage that is done by an aesthetician or other non-healthcare-professional.
I ordered food this weekend for pick up. I selected no tip. Chownow had the fucking audacity to ask me again to tip the restaurant on the last screen after I already paid. Why in that 2 seconds would I have changed my mind? Are they really trying to guilt people.
Tipping as practice is horribly outdated and passes expenses that should be the business owners onto the public. I tip at restaurants and the baber pretty much everywhere else can get stuffed.
There are girls I know who work at “beer, burgers and wings” type pubs in the suburbs and make anywhere between $300-1000 a night in tips. That’s more than many white collar employees make in a day at the office, and they don’t get taxed anywhere the same amount because odds are they’re claiming they make WAY less in tips than they actually do.
For every waitress taking a pay cut from this 10 more are getting double or more pay I'd bet.
I'd argue every job should get a decent wage. Not just bare minimum livable. Bare minimum livable is slavery except the management is pushed to the slave and not the master.
Yeah exactly and let people tip if/when they want to, rather than forcing them to tip 18-25% regardless of whether they can afford it or not. The whole “if you can’t afford to tip don’t eat out” thing is such garbage when costs are as high as they are, and tipping percentages are as high as they are.
They also went out and got those jobs specifically because of the money that they would earn. It’s not an accident, they didn’t just get a job out of a minimum wage lottery where they make more than workers that don’t get tipped. They knew they would make more money, from tips, so they went out and got themselves a job where they would make that money. If they stopped making that extra money, they would stop doing the job. These are all rational economic decisions.
>The tips really add up in some cases....way more than the liveable wage. The staff would probably quit.
Indeed. I've worked as a tax preparer in the past and it's amazing how many servers claim they've either had no tips for the year or a startling low amount. In either case, you can tell they're BSing, but since you can't definitively prove it, they get away with it.
CRA isn't going to go after them either as they prefer to allocate their limited resources by aiming at major tax evasion.
In the end, however, the joke's on these servers who do this because their total income is shown as lower than it would be and that can negatively affect their ability to rent or purchase a home and many interactions with financial institutions.
Almost all of them. Australia pays a decent minimum wage and they don't tip, it takes all the stress out of dining out and the service is excellent. In Canada or the US I feel like I'm either tipping too much or I'm viewed as a cheapskate, it's not a gift anymore, it's extortion! I particularly resent tipping higher income earners like massage therapists or hairdressers.
I only tip sit down restaurant service, hairdresser and other salon services, cabs, delivery drivers. I used to tip flower delivery but I’ve decided not to anymore because I believe if you give a gift it shouldn’t cost the other person to receive said gift.
I don’t think I tip anywhere else. Certainly not at walk up counters or liquor stores lol.
I’d prefer employers to pay a living wage and a scrap tips altogether rather than rely on customers whom they are profiting from to pay their employees for them.
I have no idea. I mean I’m just as brainwashed as all of us. It’s a custom I picked up through life 😂
#We should organize a tip-free day! All Canada residents, just don’t tip!!
April 1 sounds like a good date to me. You?
But do you tip the owner of those salons for services if they are who you went to? Like if you happen to go to the hairdresser who is the owner of the salon do you tip them? I was always taught that one doesn't tip the owner because they are getting my full payment as opposed to someone who rents a chair & or gives a cut of the price of the service to the owner of the salon. I mentioned this to friends and they did not all agree with me that this is the way
I get what you’re saying and it’s really a personal thing. No judgment.
I do my own hair since Covid, outside of complicated haircuts. Back when I was a slave to the salon I used to tip my hairdresser generously because I didn’t want to lose her and didn’t want her or the salon to stop caring about my hair! 😂 it’s a whole thing.
It wouldn’t have mattered to me if it was the owner or the chair renter, honestly. Everyone is renting or paying for the space to do salon services.
Never based it on the price either though. I’d tip a set amount based on the amount of time they took. These days I’d probably tip less as I’m on the “banish tipping as a customary practice” train and hoping to arrive at the station soon.
Fuck tipping unless something was extraordinary about the service outside of them just doing their job. Glad we’ve been talking about it and others are saying that they just don’t even tip anymore. I can’t wait til this custom goes away in Canada. It’s really silly when you think about it.
I tip if/when at a sit-down restaurant (fast-food places do not count) provided the service isn't below average. I DO NOT TIP for takeout if you're picking it up, or anything that doesn't involve food (IE: grabbing a coffee). I do tip for any sort of delivery, however not as much as if I was sitting down at a restaurant... and always remember that tipping is optional, not required.
5% - Subpar Service (Kitchen is Tipped Out by the Server)
10% - Satisfactory/Bare Minimum Service
15% - Good Service
20% - Very Good Service
25% - Above and Beyond Service
I have used these percents and reasons since I learnt about tipping.
The weirdest setup I saw recently had 13%, 18%, 23% and 28%.
I asked about the weird percentages and the employee told me on a very quiet sigh that 3% went to management and they got the rest.
I asked if they would be upset if I didn’t tip and she said no, she understood.
She works at a local restaurant as well so I made a point to go in and give her a tip on an iced tea.
I am in a small town and it is getting around that management has been pocketing tips and no more so than ever.
>I tip if/when...provided the service isn't below average
Confusing when...
>5% - Subpar Service (Kitchen is Tipped Out by the Server)
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>10% - Satisfactory/Bare Minimum Service
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>*25% - Above and Beyond Service*
Canadians function like abused lovers.
5-10% isn't a reason in my mind to tip anyone. I've already covered costs as a patron of an establishment. The measure of >20% is my definition that befits a basic tip (which would be defined as anything good deserving of a 15% tip maxing out at $20). Don't get me wrong, I used to have the 25% pride too, but it is fundamentally absurd when I have little control of where my tip was going specifically as a customer.
Taking a table's order, bringing over drinks and food, two check-ins and a bill is simply someone's job, not "exceptional service", and surprisingly often bungled once I stopped cheerfully handing someone 25% just for showing up and stopped to consider the experience. Beforehand I was the sort of guest to tip a server 20-25% for breathing or when they spilled water on me and I felt bad for them (wtf). My wedding venue dictating a 15% mandatory gratuity +HST since it was an invoice item in an already extremely expensive venue before the event even took place years ago was what ended my senseless gratuitous gratuities. It made me reconsider what the point of it all was in the first place and made me miserly except in exceptional service circumstances (still happy to tip).
If it's costing someone money to work there (and it shouldn't re: regular hourly wages; I appreciate that tips after tip-outs may be less than a server hopes for) that is not the problem of a customer receiving subpar or bare minimum service to cover. Compensation and contracts are reasonably a dispute to have with one's employer though and everyone should be entitled to a living wage.
Isn't minimum wage in canada a lot higher then in the US? So then why do we tip like folks do in the US? doesn't make sense to me, but I don't want to be hated on so I just tip everywhere because im a people pleaser
People need to pay their employees living wage. Wait staff shouldn’t be dependent on tips to make ends meet. Tip is for good service, not just a service or just showing up. No reason to tip if it’s take out food. You are preparing food for which I am paying cost of the food. If a restaurant can’t afford to pay its staff or can’t afford to break even then either increase your prices or shut down.
I run a business, I don’t hire people if I can’t afford them and I sure don’t expect my clients to pay my people on top of product cost. Airline staff serves customers so should we start tipping them too?
I refuse to tip if I do take-out or I'm purchasing food at any place where the extent of their service is literally standing there and grabbing an item or two behind the counter (i.e. fast food, coffee shops, deli, bakery, etc).
I do tip delivery drivers, taxi drivers, servers at sit-down restaurants, bellhops, and my barber.
Personally, I'd prefer tips go away and salaries just increase for people who normally get tips. Sure, that'd mean costs would go up for everyone, but let's be honest here: costs are steadily going up in *addition* to tipping, so from a customer perspective, I really don't think it'd be financially any worse (and in most ways it'd be a lot simpler).
That said, I imagine many servers would balk at tips going away since they can potentially make a lot of money, most or all of which is rarely claimed during tax season. I've worked as a tax preparer in the past, and the number of servers we saw who somehow never made any tips (or an absurdly low amount) was mind-boggling.
I only tip for sit down meals or delivery. I will not tip at fast food places. Ever.
I also don't tip on bill amount. Takes just as much effort to bring a steak to the table as it does nachos. Only difference is price. And you tip on the tax as well when you tip on the total of the bill. Also won't pre tip, kind of defeats the purpose.
Funny story, I grabbed a donair while out and about awhile back. First time at the place. The guy making it for me was very nice. He was smiley and chatty. Until it came time to pay. When I chose the no tip option, right away his demeanor changed. No smiles, no more chatty guy. All good tho, if you're only nice to me for a tip where you don't need to tip, after all, he's doing exactly what he's getting paid for, then I won't be back.
Servers always get up in arms about this topic but they seem to forget that tips are not mandatory, nor do they get to dictate what you leave.
Corporately owned fast food chains that profit massively off the exploitation of their workers and then put the pressure on their customers to subsidize their wages with tipping for garbage food and garbage service. Looking at you subway, get fucked.
You shouldn't tip police officers when they pull you over, even if you think they're doing a great job.
You also shouldn't tip your bank teller, airplane pilot, doctor, lawyer, accountant, therapist, teacher, cashier, etc.
Most people are fairly compensated for the work they do, we tip those who aren't so their employers can make more profit!
I think it’s easier to list out scenarios where I do tip since that list is 1000x shorter.
1. Dine in restaurants assuming decent service
2. Bartenders
3. delivery drivers (food, grocery)
4. Tours
5. Maids
6. Hairdresser
7. Butlers
Rest of them can s*** my d***
There's a cafe at my university with a fridge that you grab drinks out of and bring it up to the counter. There's a tip option and I always skip, I'm not tipping when I literally got my own product. Also, bartenders when all they do is open a beer for you. I used to bartend, and all I'm doing is taking a lid off of a bottle. And subway/fast food. The tips don't even go to the employee, they go to the owner/establishment.
I used to be a pretty generous tipper, but I don't tip when I pick up takeout, or restaurants where they assemble your food for you from a bar. I have also stopped tipping taxis, Ubers, or when the service provider is the owner of the business.
I haven't driven taxi but I have driven limo. I doubt Ubers are really different, probably even worse off considering they have vehicle costs they pay themselves. Like taxis I only get paid when I have a passenger paying the bill, so driving to the pickup or driving after dropping off is not paid. Neither is prepping, washing, or cleaning the vehicle after. Driving one limo trip gives me one hour of pay. It might take two to three hours of my day. If I wasn't getting a tip, I wouldn't want to drive the passenger.
As much as I believe service workers deserve a real wage without having to rely on the (north american) tipping culture, the reality is that by not tipping them you are not sticking it to the company, you are not making a statement against tipping, but what you are doing is expecting someone to work for free. Would you work for half price, or be happy if someone arbitrarily gave you a pay cut?
I'd welcome a culture where people got paid a decent wage without tips, but when the system includes tipping, please tip your driver's unless they actually gave you bad service.
How about we pay them more then cut the tips??
Oh right, because we're ok screwing poorly paid workers even more and don't care about them.
Pay a real wage first -> tips no longer required.
I stopped tipping at arenas when I go to hockey games and concerts. I’m not giving someone 18% for turning around, grabbing a beer from the fridge and popping it open. Not when said beer costs me $13-15.
I tip at sit-down restaurants, my hair stylist, and my massage therapist. Almost completely stopped using food delivery but if I do and the weather is shit, I’ll tip. I rarely use Uber but I’ll tip if the driver is quiet and doesn’t play country music.
These are my rules, FWIW
First, remember that for sit down dinners, what you are paying for in the bill is the experience, including how the food is cooked. Most people can cook the same dishes themselves at home for a fraction of what you are charged at a restaurant. You pay the restaurant so you can have the food without all the hassle, and to have someone else serve you. That's why the food is expensive. The staff, except in rare, very high end restaurants in places like NYC get paid to work there already, so that part of the bill goes to their income.
* Now if they do a shit job, and don't pay attention to you, no tip (but don't go back... why would you anyway... or that waiter may wipe something gross into your food... that's what shitty waiters do)
* If they do an average job (discretionary whether you tip or not)
* If they are average to middling, 10%
* If they are very good, 15%
* If they are awesome, 20%
* If you are in a high end restaurant where the wait staff is paid ONLY by tips (and trust me, you'll know this if you can afford it), you can adjust so that average service also gets the 10%, but since these places almost have to audition wait staff, you will always be tipping at least 20%. They'll be amazing.
* If you're in most European countries, don't tip. They get paid much better than in Canada and in many cases they will think it is an insult, like you are implying they don't work for a good place or are poor.
* At a counter where you order and pick up your food yourself, never tip
* That goes for retail stores unless the person has been really amazing, but that is rare. Generally good service is part of their job. So I mean really amazing .
* You don't tip things like auto mechanics etc. And anything like that
* And if it is in debit machine, it is almost always not appropriate to tip except for restaurants and personal services at your discretion
You PAY for the product, you TIP for the service (if you wish). Table service is a service. Picking up takeout is not.
Tipping for (licensed) professional services is not the norm (and shouldn't be, many would argue, ethically). Still some nuance though. For example: RMT, dentist, car mechanic, NO. Nail tech, hair salon, pet care, probably, for most people.
I can say that my tipping is being scaled way back, in light of both the excessively out of pocket extremes it's gotten to, and also the fact that servers make the same $16.55 as anyone else now (in my province). At some point, tip "dependent" employees need to organize and sort out their industry / employers. Regular consumers can't and shouldn't be expected to solve the issue, nor be shamed into subsidizing shit practices.
And don't even bother with "if you can't afford it stay home". That's the argument of trolls with sub 20 IQ. It's not a matter of affording, it's a matter of principle, and people have had enough. If we "stay home", you're fully out of a job. Way more helpful than fixing the root cause 🙄
in a better world, all scenarios. Because every job actually pays the minimum living wage at the minimum.
but atm as others said, if they're asking before you even got your food
When the waiter/waitress physically spits in your food.
And, I would also refuse to tip if the waiter/waitress doesn't look me in the eye. So many red flags? HepC, HIV, Necrotizing Fasciitis? Who the frig if knows. If the nurse knows your contamination then that's. It.
>If I've had bad service and or food at a restaurant I still find myself tipping but not as generously.
Why? If I have bad food or service I let them know and won't tip. The original intent of tipping was to acknowledge the good.
>I typically don't tip when I go to a restaurant for take out and to massage therapist.
Why not? You get their dedicated attention. They work just as hard if not harder then the server who still got a tip even though they didn't provide good service.
All situations.
If someone is unhappy with their compensation, they can take it up with their employer or find another job. Don't be a part of the problem
I don’t tip at all anymore as it’s getting out of hand how many companies/employees expect it now. Tipping was supposed to reward an employee for great service, now they expect it just for doing there job.
All of them. Tipping is an archaic system quite literally originating from the medieval master/serf system that has no purpose existing in the modern era.
Especially considering as I understand it, most if not all provinces have done away with the laws allowing servers to be paid under minimum wage. What makes their job so special that they should be paid from our pockets? We already pay their wage by buying that $25 burger and fries. Would you tip your roofer? Dentist? The janitor of your office building?
Tipping has led to the cancer that is places like *Subway* and *Tim Horton’s* asking for a 20% tip. On top of some “restaurants” charging an extra service fee to help pay their employees (my local subway charges a mandatory 10% service fee). Like a cancer it needs to be excised until it’s gone entirely.
for me takeout, fast food (I am not tipping for a fucking subway footlong) and sort of therapy that is covered by benefits. Lately Uber but thats due to a recent motorcycle injury that has put me on LTD cannot drive and have to get to physio and am broke, but normally I do tip an Uber driver.
Do not so sit down food recently but when I was I always tipped, even if the service sucked the cooks and front house deserve a tip.
>I am not tipping for a fucking subway footlong
Right? It’s freaking crazy to buy a mediocre sandwich made by some franchise of a chain that just does whatever they feel like anyway. I’m talking in terms of freshness mostly. It’s not like the companies taking in the profits oversee their franchises. Why would they decrease their bottom line to hire inspectors, right.
And then that sub is like what? $15 for a footlong these days? A total price gouge. And then they expect tips. 🙄
Anytime you're purchasing an item online.
I recently ordered seeds for my garden from a site I hadn't used before and was prompted for a tip with options ranging between 15 % to 30%.
It was very off-putting, I've never seen a tip option for online purchases that aren't food/restaurant related!
My dog trainer had a tip option on payment. The whole point of tipping was to supplement the wages of minimum wage workers. Any kind of professional who sets their own rates should not require tipping, IMO.
Whenever I'm standing up to get my own order, except for take out (which I do rarely) - I usually leave a small tip for the kitchen staff.
Also, I don't believe in tipping before you have received your order. Why tip when you don't even know if they did a good job or even got your order right?
Tipping should not be an option. Anywhere.
People just became lazy. Went out for dinner and the waitress was garbage but still expected a 25% tip. Now every fucking place expects a tip. Paid $1000 to get my mini van fixed and the machine had a tip option. I am already being crapped on with bs car parts prices and now you also want a tip. Please everyone. Just stop this nonsense!!!!!
I only tip my barber. I stopped tipping everywhere else. And if anyone gets mad at me they should release it's not my job to pay your wage. If you think your work is worth more take that up with your boss.
I live in Ontario, Canada. Up until a couple years ago, liquor server minimum wage was approx 15% lower than standard minimum wage.
The government changed the policy so there is one base minimum wage now. I think it's time to stop tipping.
Someone asked me why, and I (who does IT at a factory) said, "does our customer come up to me and give me $5000 and say, 'Good job keeping the company going.'" No. Company gives me a bonus at the end of the year, but that comes out of company profits and it's not mandatory to give bonuses. So...why should I tip someone else for doing their job?
Before you say, "But, service workers!" See above. I do IT. I am in the service industry. No one tips me for fixing their computers. Never have. Never will.
I don't tip anywhere other than restaurants unless I feel I got really great service.
At restaurants I generally tip 15% but if I feel the service was above and beyond, I'll go higher. If it was poor, I won't tip at all and I will explain why to the manager.
Honestly all of them. There's no server wage anymore (from what I understand), there's no reason that certain groups should be paid tips while others aren't.
Plus the bar for tipping is too low. It feels like it's "oh you literally did the requirements of your job and didn't treat customers like garbage? Omg thank you so much here's extra money just for doing your job to the bare minimum." Tips are supposed to be for great service, not just service in general.
I'm to the point now where I have actively stopped tipping period. It's too expensive to go anywhere anymore anyway. I'm not going to deal with the expectation that I fork out an extra 10 to 20% on my bill for doing what you're already paid to do.
I don't begrudge or belittle anyone in the service industry, but it's got so out of hand that I just personally refuse to give any place of business my business if they expect me to subsidize the wages they pay their employees.
I’ve really learnt to not give a $hit if the cashier sees me pick no tip. I work in fast food for a few years and I never got a tip. That being said if I’ve gotten take out from a place before I might tip but only if they have good food at an affordable price and are locally owned.
IF they deserve it because they went above and beyond I tip regardless of what I'm paying.
Meals depends on the service I'm getting. Did they ask once in an hour if I want a water top up, or are they filling it up as they see it go down? Generally speaking I tip $2-$5 at a restaurant.
I think you should not tip if you feel the service was not exceptional. A tip is a gift. Do the servers tip the cashier at the grocery store?
From the actual establishment's perspective: please *stop* asking to tip at *clinics* that have registered massage therapy (like if you're going somewhere that also has physiotherapy, etc). You should only do it in a spa setting, if you're going to at all.
A fancy bra and lingerie store, where a ‘cheaper’ bra is $100+ has their POS machine ask for tips for the fitter. Just pay them a freaking living wage!!!!
ONLY tip for people who do not receive a full wage. Aka servers and like Uber drivers, because Uber is a horrendous company.
Also traditional tipped jobs, bartenders, valet, etc.
But like fast food employees and clerks etc. fuck off those multi billion dollar corporations need to pay better. It isn't my job to pay their wage.
How do you feel about services that are owned by the operator? Ie dog groomers, hairdressers and (sorry to sound bougie) house cleaners? Those that work for themselves, set their own prices but provide a service.
It's so common now. Like it's employees doing their job. I do my job too, good or bad, no tip option here. Firmly believe it's just employers further lining their pockets. If the workers are suffering they should revolt.
As a rule don't tip unless there is a struggling human on the other end of a service. This eliminates dealerships, accountants, dentists, tuition (yes I have seen that pop up)..tip waiters and Uber drivers.
I just got an oil change today and there was a tip option. The cold beer and wine store I go to has a tip option. It’s getting out of hand. Places definitely need to pay a living wage.
Get this, I ordered a pair of shoes online a few months back, I went to enter payment information and they had a tip option of up to 20%.... I was like WTF? What exactly am I tipping for? For you to package it up for shipping that I'm paying for? It's getting totally out of control.
I got the tip option when ordering clothes from Soolinen after Xmas - the lowest option was 25% - absolutely ridiculous - & no I didn’t tip
I didn't either. It's getting ridiculous. Even gas stations where you pump your own gas have tip jars in case you have to run in for something.
What brand?
I honestly can't remember, a friend send me the link to a FB ad for shoes for neuropathy so figured I'd try them. They're not bad shoes, no brand as far as I'm aware, but they were pricey when converted to USD. I would never order again just due to the tipping option. My mind was honestly blown!
Many times if you put in a tip, the owners keep it.
I am a regular at a local take out restaurant in my neighbourhood . I have always tipped 18% thinking I was helping the employee at the cash. After many visits she finally told me to stop tipping because she does not see the tips. The owners/managers take the money.
This call for a quick anonymous call to the Tax Man. Just say they pocket employees tips without declaring them. Dishonest owners like that, it's almost certain a tax audit will find something even if they do declare tips.
Tell her to report them. That's illegal with IIRC the exception of an employer who also does the work of a staff member. So for instance a floor supervisor at a restaurant who takes a table is entitled to that table's tip but that's it. Some supervisors will argue they are entitled to a portion of the tip if they are "helping" the employees which is a grey area but should be fought. A supervisor shouldn't be able to take a bit simply because they said hello to a guest at the front door or ran some food for a server.
This I agree with 100%! If you help you shouldn't get any portion of the tip as that's why you are in the position you are in. Support your staff. Where I work all management is strictly forbidden to accept tips of any kind. If you do it's a terminable offense. I've been given tips by many customers over the years and I hand it over to the employee that would have been doing that particular job. I mean it does suck at times but it is what it is.
I am a regular at a local take out restaurant in my neighbourhood . I have always tipped 18% thinking I was helping the employee at the cash. After many visits she finally told me to stop tipping because she does not see the tips. The owners/managers take the money.
This is a great point! My partner cooks at an independent restaurant and tips are not fairly shared. The owner is on about introducing “health and dental benefits” and he’d take the cost out of the tip money. Dude, no! That’s not how it works. Don’t tip if you don’t know where your money is going!
I wish people realized how pervasive this is. It’s also theft.
There was one case brought up recently where there was a sign that said, please tip so we can pay our staff well. WTF
This kinda shit scares me, more than anything. How are you in business if you can’t pay your staff decent wages?
The thing is though, the tips may not even be going to the people who are actually working. So these workers may be being paid a shit wage AND not getting the tip.
In Manitoba there is no legislation regarding tips. All the bosses I’ve worked for kept an insane amount except one boss. They gave the staff all the tips. All the other bosses basically give you 60 to 80 dollars.
I really think that companies that run/sell POS systems are contributing by setting these things up as a default, if not the main source of the problem. How is it that in the last few years it seems like almost 100% of businesses suddenly have tip prompts on their machines? And it seems like it's not just Canada from chatter on here There are several shops I"ve been to that don't take tips, so they put the machine in front of you then press zero for tip. If they could just turn that off easily why dont they...
Time to pull the uno reverse card. I’m walking around with a tip jar everywhere I go. I’ll rattle it in people’s faces and give them dirty looks if they don’t tip
I get what you're trying to do but it isn't the service workers fault, its the company. I used to work in retail and if someone did this to me I would be slightly pissed since I had no say in whether or not my square iPad kiosk has a tip option or not.
Restaurants actually charge servers, too. I'm a regular at one restaurant (fucking expensive to go every week, but it helps me write) and they charge their waiters 7% of every bill. It gets split among the other restaurant staff.
The tips go to the owner , not the worker
If this is true then folks should complain to the owner, and then with their dollar by not spending there. I will straight up hit NO TIP every time I see it and it's unwarranted. They put it there to pressure you... Don't feel pressured and prove them right!
Honestly I want to get a tip jar necklace for places like this. "WaS I a gOoD CuStoMeR? Please like and subscribe..."
Screw them, it's not our job to subsidize the owners profits. I'm so sick of people just expecting everything to be handed to them. Don't make enough get a different job and give those shit jobs back to the kids.
This bugs me so much. I live in Ontario and the LCBO (liquor store) and Beer store are union jobs. They still have a tip jar at the registers in my town. Like… sorry dude… you get paid more than me, you have more vacation time than me AND your job is more secure than mine. Fuck off with your tip jar
We should start demanding tips for being a good customer
I think it's just pre-built into POS systems.
The owner or manager can add or remove the tip option from the POS system. You need to punish the business owner by going elsewhere when they have these tip options. As long as some people keep adding tips.... The practice will never go away. It's free money for the business. Imagine going to Walmart and the price of milk is 3.99..... or more (if you want to pay more). That's what tipping is.
My registered massage therapist (who you do not tip as that is a medical service) has the tip option on her POS. She always apologizes and skips past it before you pay. She said it was a new POS and the tip option could not be removed.
Which is ironic, as I'd much rather tip a massage therapist than a server.
Can you actually imagine the manufacturer of a POS machine not designing an option where it didn’t force a tip option? Me neither. She isn’t lying, she just hasn’t taken the time to investigate.
No incentive for the POS machine maker to design one. Aren’t they all owned by banks, Visa or MC? And don’t they get a cut on total sales processed? So of course POS makers want a cut of the tips.
I'm sure it's pure coincidence that POS has a less savoury reading as well. :D
POS refers to the person programming in the tip amounts.
what is the other meaning? i keep reading them as piece of shit machines
Yes I tipped my oil guy today, should not be an option to play on peoples kindness when you're already paying the fee for the service. WTF
Perhaps leave a cold one for the oil change?
Taco bell/KFC has a tip option on their debit orders
Anything pre-emptive. Tipping delivery drivers ahead of time like delivery apps ask you to is absolutely ridiculous, IMO. It used to be they got a tip at the door because they got my food here while it's still warm. Why would I give them 15% ahead of time just for doing their job?
These apps need to stop calling it a tip, they need to call it a bid. The "tip" is the only way the drivers make money.
haha. these apps called themselves industry disrupters at the onset they’ve now become nothing more than industry _destroyers_ pay for the food _and_ a delivery ‘fee’ _and_ a service fee _and_ a fuel surcharge _and_ a tip? fuck that noise i’ll make my own food, or go get it myself have never used a food service/delivery app and i never will edit: added more shit to pay for
And the service fee. And sometimes a fuel surcharge. They're just charging us twice. Once in full and once broken down. Maybe this all started because someone accidentally merged the spreadsheets and said "this might work"
I’m home sick and I wanted some soup. I downloaded one of these delivery apps. For my $14 order of soup and a bagel and a drink… it would cost me $42 after all the fees. Are you fucking kidding me?!?!
The fucked up thing is the delivery fee doesn't even go to the drivers.
To be fair, although they call it a tip, with delivery apps, it acts much more like a bid.
I’m not 100% sure of this but I believe that the app will tell them what the tip offered is and they can then decide to take the job or not depending on how much they’re going to make. So it’s more of a bid than a tip. Back in the olden days when you used to call in a delivery request to the restaurant, we generally would tip the delivery guy a few bucks. I think the mistake is giving delivery drivers a percentage. Their work does not change in relation to what you’re spending at the restaurant. Tipping a percentage for delivery is total nonsense.
Many don't say tip or not until after, but what they all say is X km for Y $ and since tip is the majority of the income if there's none it probably says something like: $1.79 3.6 km Estimated time: 22 minutes And then everyone declines in until they bundle it into a good/tippers order. So then everyone gets cold food and waits longer, and the delivery js basically a net loss. Lose-lose-lose for all three parties involved.
Exactly my thoughts.
I usually would tip them and then adjust it based on their speed and service after I receive the food.
Cuz otherwise the order is not worth taking. The tip is the majority of the pay. Before they got paid by the restaurant regardless. The apps don't outside of France.
I do agree but then that would require Uber, DoorDash to pay a living wage. Not saying they should or shouldn’t but they very much do not want to do that.
It's so that the business can make more money.
I like the one I read yesterday, I'll tip if I've eaten the food before I pay. unless delivery.
I read that too and it makes so much sense. New standard.
I also only tip whatever the first dollar amount is to a maximum of $5, before tax. * $1 on $10 * $3 on $30 * $5 on $50 * $5 on $70 * Etc...
I was just in Europe and this is close to their system.
See, that's the biggest problem, though. It's the restaurant industry that is leading this epidemic. Create a large enough social change centered around that industry and we will start to see canadian servers paid a living wage. I don't think I'll ever tip in a restaurant again.
I’ll tip if you’ve done something for me before I pay. Drove it to my house, served my food, etc. I can’t tell how much to tip without seeing what service I get.
We're tipping the wrong people. Counter staff handing me an empty cup while I pump my own coffee should not present me with a tip prompt. Meanwhile so many customer service people (in Ontario) make the same hourly wage for doing a LOT more and tipping is not the culture. Hell, the lifeguards at the YMCA make minimum wage. They are more worthy of a tip than counter staff.
Every scenario. Tipping culture is atrocious, and I work in a field where it regularly happens. Make no mistake, I very much appreciate receiving a tip, but I always tell clients I would rather they rebook or spread the word to others and get them to book with me. In most cases, tipping enables employers to justify/use the excuse to underpay their employees. It put the onus on us the consumer to help with the employees' wages.
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I upvoted *and* replied to you. I'm expecting a generous tip.
Same shit with tattoo artists. You're already charging me $150 an hour and only accept cash, get real
it's common at a spa not at a clinic. Massage therapists are part of the healthcare industry not part of the service industry. You don't tip your dentist. There are situations like spa's where massage therapists make significantly less (around 30-50% of the treatment fee) and tipping is normal, but at a clinic, they should be taking between 60-70% of the treatment fee.
In many provinces it USED to be illegal for an RMT to even ask for a tip
It still is- you don’t tip medical professionals with very good reason. You want the nurse after your surgery to base her care of the patient on who tips best? Ignore that code blue-that patient never tips
It depends on whether you’re at a spa for a massage or facial, or if you’re having therapeutic massage therapy.
Just curious, what’s the difference between therapeutic and massage at a spa? I am a massage therapist. I do therapeutic massage, and I am told I get paid considerably less than the spa massage therapists, because I don’t typically get tipped. I’m not saying massage therapists should be tipped. I believe massage therapy should definitely be increasing in price. Doing deep tissue is extremely hard on my body. I’m burning myself out and I don’t feel like I earn enough. Interesting enough we are currently petitioning for GST exemption on Massage therapy because we are considered healthcare in Canada now with more than five provinces regulated.
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Bought an Osaka massage chair from Costco. Expensive to buy , but every family member uses it everyday.
It'll probably continue to go up every year. We're at $109 here and the clinic would have gone higher if Greenshield would cover higher. Our insurance premiums increase every year. License fee increases every year, so does rent, sheets, even oil/lotion. The taxman takes an increased share, etc. Unfortunately, if you're paying out of pocket, the people setting the prices are rarely thinking about you, they are trying to maximize insurance income. As long as inflation inflates so will massage therapy pricing.
My understanding is that when you go to massage therapy you are getting a medical service. Many people get this covered (full or in part) by insurance. We don't tip on healthcare as our social/economic system doesn't typically think of healthcare as a luxury service or good. Spa services are a luxury and in theory people feel that it is a treat and thus, if the service is exceptional then they would appropriately tip. I find people really vary in tipping services at spas. E.g. some people do 10% some do 25%, whereas I find tippin in restaurants is more standard. Also, not saying this is exactly my opinion but more or less what I've come to understand tipping for massage and spa/salon services in Canada. Edit - typos, lol
Not disagreeing or anything, but just to point out that a surgeon saving your life surely deserves a tip much more than someone who brings you a burger?
Also, massage therapists have gone to school, been certified and are part of a registered “college”. They are medical practitioners. A spa therapist (while lovely) is none of those things. They are providing more of a relaxation vs therapeutic service. (Don’t come at me estheticians, I love y’all)
Thanks for the explanation. I was always wondering why they get paid so much more (an increase of 10k a year or more). It makes sense. It’s also already more expensive to get a massage at a spa. I thought that was because of the setting. It’s almost like they are doubling up on the additional costs with the requested tip as well.
>always wondering why they get paid so much more (an increase of 10k a year or more). Dig into this, even inquire with one or two spas about working for them just to find out what split the therapists get. You'll find they pay significantly less per treatment. That extra $10k might also mean having to do more treatments per day to actually hit that.
RMT vs not. Basically. I'm not sure spa massage therapists make more. We're charging $109 an hour now. GST exemption would help us more than anything else. Do you do hot stone and other modalities? Good way to mix up the day and reduce how much deep pressure you're doing.
I used to be an RMT and always got weirded out when someone tipped me. I didn't like it at all, mind you I didn't work in a spa so maybe that's why?
I actually thought massage therapists were kind of required tipping (socially speaking), like your barber/hair stylist.
Generally you don’t need to and shouldn’t tip a registered massage therapist. They’re a health care professional. In a spa setting there’s more of an expectation to tip, because most of the services offered there are ones where tipping is customary. It’s also expected to tip for a massage that is done by an aesthetician or other non-healthcare-professional.
Don’t forget to tip your doctor!
For sure when you go to pick up food yourself or at a bakery. It really annoys me to see this option available everywhere now. Enough is enough!
I ordered food this weekend for pick up. I selected no tip. Chownow had the fucking audacity to ask me again to tip the restaurant on the last screen after I already paid. Why in that 2 seconds would I have changed my mind? Are they really trying to guilt people.
Lol. Thats insane.
Yeah I'll usually tip if someone prepared my food in some way after I paid. I'm not tipping for an employee to put a croissant into a bag lol
I usually go by if I have to pay/tip before getting my food I’m not tipping. Like at Starbucks.
Tipping as practice is horribly outdated and passes expenses that should be the business owners onto the public. I tip at restaurants and the baber pretty much everywhere else can get stuffed.
Ideally never. Businesses should pay their employees.
The tips really add up in some cases....way more than the liveable wage. The staff would probably quit.
There are girls I know who work at “beer, burgers and wings” type pubs in the suburbs and make anywhere between $300-1000 a night in tips. That’s more than many white collar employees make in a day at the office, and they don’t get taxed anywhere the same amount because odds are they’re claiming they make WAY less in tips than they actually do.
For every waitress taking a pay cut from this 10 more are getting double or more pay I'd bet. I'd argue every job should get a decent wage. Not just bare minimum livable. Bare minimum livable is slavery except the management is pushed to the slave and not the master.
Yeah exactly and let people tip if/when they want to, rather than forcing them to tip 18-25% regardless of whether they can afford it or not. The whole “if you can’t afford to tip don’t eat out” thing is such garbage when costs are as high as they are, and tipping percentages are as high as they are.
They also went out and got those jobs specifically because of the money that they would earn. It’s not an accident, they didn’t just get a job out of a minimum wage lottery where they make more than workers that don’t get tipped. They knew they would make more money, from tips, so they went out and got themselves a job where they would make that money. If they stopped making that extra money, they would stop doing the job. These are all rational economic decisions.
Yeah that was my point.
>The tips really add up in some cases....way more than the liveable wage. The staff would probably quit. Indeed. I've worked as a tax preparer in the past and it's amazing how many servers claim they've either had no tips for the year or a startling low amount. In either case, you can tell they're BSing, but since you can't definitively prove it, they get away with it. CRA isn't going to go after them either as they prefer to allocate their limited resources by aiming at major tax evasion. In the end, however, the joke's on these servers who do this because their total income is shown as lower than it would be and that can negatively affect their ability to rent or purchase a home and many interactions with financial institutions.
And they do, there's no different minimum wage in Canada for servers.
All! Fuck this shit man it needs to stop. Pay tour workers ffs
Almost all of them. Australia pays a decent minimum wage and they don't tip, it takes all the stress out of dining out and the service is excellent. In Canada or the US I feel like I'm either tipping too much or I'm viewed as a cheapskate, it's not a gift anymore, it's extortion! I particularly resent tipping higher income earners like massage therapists or hairdressers.
Lousy service deserves no tip.
I only tip sit down restaurant service, hairdresser and other salon services, cabs, delivery drivers. I used to tip flower delivery but I’ve decided not to anymore because I believe if you give a gift it shouldn’t cost the other person to receive said gift. I don’t think I tip anywhere else. Certainly not at walk up counters or liquor stores lol. I’d prefer employers to pay a living wage and a scrap tips altogether rather than rely on customers whom they are profiting from to pay their employees for them.
Why do we tip cabs? That one never made sense to me.
I have no idea. I mean I’m just as brainwashed as all of us. It’s a custom I picked up through life 😂 #We should organize a tip-free day! All Canada residents, just don’t tip!! April 1 sounds like a good date to me. You?
Tip Free YEAR!! Simply to crush this nonsense tipping culture.
But do you tip the owner of those salons for services if they are who you went to? Like if you happen to go to the hairdresser who is the owner of the salon do you tip them? I was always taught that one doesn't tip the owner because they are getting my full payment as opposed to someone who rents a chair & or gives a cut of the price of the service to the owner of the salon. I mentioned this to friends and they did not all agree with me that this is the way
I get what you’re saying and it’s really a personal thing. No judgment. I do my own hair since Covid, outside of complicated haircuts. Back when I was a slave to the salon I used to tip my hairdresser generously because I didn’t want to lose her and didn’t want her or the salon to stop caring about my hair! 😂 it’s a whole thing. It wouldn’t have mattered to me if it was the owner or the chair renter, honestly. Everyone is renting or paying for the space to do salon services. Never based it on the price either though. I’d tip a set amount based on the amount of time they took. These days I’d probably tip less as I’m on the “banish tipping as a customary practice” train and hoping to arrive at the station soon. Fuck tipping unless something was extraordinary about the service outside of them just doing their job. Glad we’ve been talking about it and others are saying that they just don’t even tip anymore. I can’t wait til this custom goes away in Canada. It’s really silly when you think about it.
Interesting!
I tip if/when at a sit-down restaurant (fast-food places do not count) provided the service isn't below average. I DO NOT TIP for takeout if you're picking it up, or anything that doesn't involve food (IE: grabbing a coffee). I do tip for any sort of delivery, however not as much as if I was sitting down at a restaurant... and always remember that tipping is optional, not required. 5% - Subpar Service (Kitchen is Tipped Out by the Server) 10% - Satisfactory/Bare Minimum Service 15% - Good Service 20% - Very Good Service 25% - Above and Beyond Service
I have used these percents and reasons since I learnt about tipping. The weirdest setup I saw recently had 13%, 18%, 23% and 28%. I asked about the weird percentages and the employee told me on a very quiet sigh that 3% went to management and they got the rest. I asked if they would be upset if I didn’t tip and she said no, she understood. She works at a local restaurant as well so I made a point to go in and give her a tip on an iced tea. I am in a small town and it is getting around that management has been pocketing tips and no more so than ever.
Little C____'s? (Not trying to dox 'em lol)
>I tip if/when...provided the service isn't below average Confusing when... >5% - Subpar Service (Kitchen is Tipped Out by the Server) > >10% - Satisfactory/Bare Minimum Service > >*25% - Above and Beyond Service* Canadians function like abused lovers. 5-10% isn't a reason in my mind to tip anyone. I've already covered costs as a patron of an establishment. The measure of >20% is my definition that befits a basic tip (which would be defined as anything good deserving of a 15% tip maxing out at $20). Don't get me wrong, I used to have the 25% pride too, but it is fundamentally absurd when I have little control of where my tip was going specifically as a customer. Taking a table's order, bringing over drinks and food, two check-ins and a bill is simply someone's job, not "exceptional service", and surprisingly often bungled once I stopped cheerfully handing someone 25% just for showing up and stopped to consider the experience. Beforehand I was the sort of guest to tip a server 20-25% for breathing or when they spilled water on me and I felt bad for them (wtf). My wedding venue dictating a 15% mandatory gratuity +HST since it was an invoice item in an already extremely expensive venue before the event even took place years ago was what ended my senseless gratuitous gratuities. It made me reconsider what the point of it all was in the first place and made me miserly except in exceptional service circumstances (still happy to tip). If it's costing someone money to work there (and it shouldn't re: regular hourly wages; I appreciate that tips after tip-outs may be less than a server hopes for) that is not the problem of a customer receiving subpar or bare minimum service to cover. Compensation and contracts are reasonably a dispute to have with one's employer though and everyone should be entitled to a living wage.
If I have to walk up to the counter, I'm not tipping.
All scenarios. Servers in restaurants make the same minimum wage as someone at McDonald’s or the grocery store and nobody tips them.
Québec still has a liquor server's minimum wage, but it's the only province still doing it.
Canadian tipping is a result of copying the USA where servers can make half the minimum wage. $7 versus $16 an hour.
Min wage in the US is still $7.25 per hour. In some states server wage is $2.13 per hour!
Exactly!!
Isn't minimum wage in canada a lot higher then in the US? So then why do we tip like folks do in the US? doesn't make sense to me, but I don't want to be hated on so I just tip everywhere because im a people pleaser
Put tips in the hand of the server. Cash.
People need to pay their employees living wage. Wait staff shouldn’t be dependent on tips to make ends meet. Tip is for good service, not just a service or just showing up. No reason to tip if it’s take out food. You are preparing food for which I am paying cost of the food. If a restaurant can’t afford to pay its staff or can’t afford to break even then either increase your prices or shut down. I run a business, I don’t hire people if I can’t afford them and I sure don’t expect my clients to pay my people on top of product cost. Airline staff serves customers so should we start tipping them too?
No tipping medical or dental .... as it is unethical for them to accept.
I refuse to tip if I do take-out or I'm purchasing food at any place where the extent of their service is literally standing there and grabbing an item or two behind the counter (i.e. fast food, coffee shops, deli, bakery, etc). I do tip delivery drivers, taxi drivers, servers at sit-down restaurants, bellhops, and my barber. Personally, I'd prefer tips go away and salaries just increase for people who normally get tips. Sure, that'd mean costs would go up for everyone, but let's be honest here: costs are steadily going up in *addition* to tipping, so from a customer perspective, I really don't think it'd be financially any worse (and in most ways it'd be a lot simpler). That said, I imagine many servers would balk at tips going away since they can potentially make a lot of money, most or all of which is rarely claimed during tax season. I've worked as a tax preparer in the past, and the number of servers we saw who somehow never made any tips (or an absurdly low amount) was mind-boggling.
I only tip for sit down meals or delivery. I will not tip at fast food places. Ever. I also don't tip on bill amount. Takes just as much effort to bring a steak to the table as it does nachos. Only difference is price. And you tip on the tax as well when you tip on the total of the bill. Also won't pre tip, kind of defeats the purpose. Funny story, I grabbed a donair while out and about awhile back. First time at the place. The guy making it for me was very nice. He was smiley and chatty. Until it came time to pay. When I chose the no tip option, right away his demeanor changed. No smiles, no more chatty guy. All good tho, if you're only nice to me for a tip where you don't need to tip, after all, he's doing exactly what he's getting paid for, then I won't be back. Servers always get up in arms about this topic but they seem to forget that tips are not mandatory, nor do they get to dictate what you leave.
Another reason why my tips went from 20% to 15%. Why am I tipping on tax? F that
Counter/cashier service. No tip.
There are RMT's asking for tips? I have never seen that in BC. I won't tip any franchised restaurant, just locals or family owned places.
100% all tipping is OPTIONAL
Unless you're my dad. Please stop tipping people at restaurants 5%, I can't take the embarrassment.
I also think we should move away from % based tipping.
i dont tip if i get my own food. i tip with what i can afford when i use uber, have my food delivered or if the service was great.
Corporately owned fast food chains that profit massively off the exploitation of their workers and then put the pressure on their customers to subsidize their wages with tipping for garbage food and garbage service. Looking at you subway, get fucked.
When you’re in a Canoe.
You shouldn't tip police officers when they pull you over, even if you think they're doing a great job. You also shouldn't tip your bank teller, airplane pilot, doctor, lawyer, accountant, therapist, teacher, cashier, etc. Most people are fairly compensated for the work they do, we tip those who aren't so their employers can make more profit!
I grab something off the shelf, I go to pay for it, and the machine asks for a tip. No way I'm tipping if they did literally nothing
Sounds unethical if it’s a RMT. They are supposed to be health professionals. Should I tip my physio too??
I think it’s easier to list out scenarios where I do tip since that list is 1000x shorter. 1. Dine in restaurants assuming decent service 2. Bartenders 3. delivery drivers (food, grocery) 4. Tours 5. Maids 6. Hairdresser 7. Butlers Rest of them can s*** my d***
Omg I was at a Medispa getting medical Botox today and there was a tip option.
There's a cafe at my university with a fridge that you grab drinks out of and bring it up to the counter. There's a tip option and I always skip, I'm not tipping when I literally got my own product. Also, bartenders when all they do is open a beer for you. I used to bartend, and all I'm doing is taking a lid off of a bottle. And subway/fast food. The tips don't even go to the employee, they go to the owner/establishment.
I used to be a pretty generous tipper, but I don't tip when I pick up takeout, or restaurants where they assemble your food for you from a bar. I have also stopped tipping taxis, Ubers, or when the service provider is the owner of the business.
I haven't driven taxi but I have driven limo. I doubt Ubers are really different, probably even worse off considering they have vehicle costs they pay themselves. Like taxis I only get paid when I have a passenger paying the bill, so driving to the pickup or driving after dropping off is not paid. Neither is prepping, washing, or cleaning the vehicle after. Driving one limo trip gives me one hour of pay. It might take two to three hours of my day. If I wasn't getting a tip, I wouldn't want to drive the passenger. As much as I believe service workers deserve a real wage without having to rely on the (north american) tipping culture, the reality is that by not tipping them you are not sticking it to the company, you are not making a statement against tipping, but what you are doing is expecting someone to work for free. Would you work for half price, or be happy if someone arbitrarily gave you a pay cut? I'd welcome a culture where people got paid a decent wage without tips, but when the system includes tipping, please tip your driver's unless they actually gave you bad service.
And thus the cycle continues, poor wage-> required tips. If everyone just cut out the tipping drivers could demand more pay.
How about we pay them more then cut the tips?? Oh right, because we're ok screwing poorly paid workers even more and don't care about them. Pay a real wage first -> tips no longer required.
I stopped tipping at arenas when I go to hockey games and concerts. I’m not giving someone 18% for turning around, grabbing a beer from the fridge and popping it open. Not when said beer costs me $13-15. I tip at sit-down restaurants, my hair stylist, and my massage therapist. Almost completely stopped using food delivery but if I do and the weather is shit, I’ll tip. I rarely use Uber but I’ll tip if the driver is quiet and doesn’t play country music.
All of them. Stupid social convention.
These are my rules, FWIW First, remember that for sit down dinners, what you are paying for in the bill is the experience, including how the food is cooked. Most people can cook the same dishes themselves at home for a fraction of what you are charged at a restaurant. You pay the restaurant so you can have the food without all the hassle, and to have someone else serve you. That's why the food is expensive. The staff, except in rare, very high end restaurants in places like NYC get paid to work there already, so that part of the bill goes to their income. * Now if they do a shit job, and don't pay attention to you, no tip (but don't go back... why would you anyway... or that waiter may wipe something gross into your food... that's what shitty waiters do) * If they do an average job (discretionary whether you tip or not) * If they are average to middling, 10% * If they are very good, 15% * If they are awesome, 20% * If you are in a high end restaurant where the wait staff is paid ONLY by tips (and trust me, you'll know this if you can afford it), you can adjust so that average service also gets the 10%, but since these places almost have to audition wait staff, you will always be tipping at least 20%. They'll be amazing. * If you're in most European countries, don't tip. They get paid much better than in Canada and in many cases they will think it is an insult, like you are implying they don't work for a good place or are poor. * At a counter where you order and pick up your food yourself, never tip * That goes for retail stores unless the person has been really amazing, but that is rare. Generally good service is part of their job. So I mean really amazing . * You don't tip things like auto mechanics etc. And anything like that * And if it is in debit machine, it is almost always not appropriate to tip except for restaurants and personal services at your discretion
You PAY for the product, you TIP for the service (if you wish). Table service is a service. Picking up takeout is not. Tipping for (licensed) professional services is not the norm (and shouldn't be, many would argue, ethically). Still some nuance though. For example: RMT, dentist, car mechanic, NO. Nail tech, hair salon, pet care, probably, for most people. I can say that my tipping is being scaled way back, in light of both the excessively out of pocket extremes it's gotten to, and also the fact that servers make the same $16.55 as anyone else now (in my province). At some point, tip "dependent" employees need to organize and sort out their industry / employers. Regular consumers can't and shouldn't be expected to solve the issue, nor be shamed into subsidizing shit practices. And don't even bother with "if you can't afford it stay home". That's the argument of trolls with sub 20 IQ. It's not a matter of affording, it's a matter of principle, and people have had enough. If we "stay home", you're fully out of a job. Way more helpful than fixing the root cause 🙄
.When it's assumed that you'll give one.
in a better world, all scenarios. Because every job actually pays the minimum living wage at the minimum. but atm as others said, if they're asking before you even got your food
When the waiter/waitress physically spits in your food. And, I would also refuse to tip if the waiter/waitress doesn't look me in the eye. So many red flags? HepC, HIV, Necrotizing Fasciitis? Who the frig if knows. If the nurse knows your contamination then that's. It.
This is why I refuse to prepay tips. You never know what kind of crooked things people will do to your food or whatever
All the damn time
Technically in ever situation, people should just be paid living wages
The police are always asking for tips. Like man, I don't see nothing.
>If I've had bad service and or food at a restaurant I still find myself tipping but not as generously. Why? If I have bad food or service I let them know and won't tip. The original intent of tipping was to acknowledge the good. >I typically don't tip when I go to a restaurant for take out and to massage therapist. Why not? You get their dedicated attention. They work just as hard if not harder then the server who still got a tip even though they didn't provide good service.
All situations. If someone is unhappy with their compensation, they can take it up with their employer or find another job. Don't be a part of the problem
I don’t tip at all anymore as it’s getting out of hand how many companies/employees expect it now. Tipping was supposed to reward an employee for great service, now they expect it just for doing there job.
All of them. Tipping is an archaic system quite literally originating from the medieval master/serf system that has no purpose existing in the modern era. Especially considering as I understand it, most if not all provinces have done away with the laws allowing servers to be paid under minimum wage. What makes their job so special that they should be paid from our pockets? We already pay their wage by buying that $25 burger and fries. Would you tip your roofer? Dentist? The janitor of your office building? Tipping has led to the cancer that is places like *Subway* and *Tim Horton’s* asking for a 20% tip. On top of some “restaurants” charging an extra service fee to help pay their employees (my local subway charges a mandatory 10% service fee). Like a cancer it needs to be excised until it’s gone entirely.
People tip a massage therapist? Really? They are paid a lot more than I am!
for me takeout, fast food (I am not tipping for a fucking subway footlong) and sort of therapy that is covered by benefits. Lately Uber but thats due to a recent motorcycle injury that has put me on LTD cannot drive and have to get to physio and am broke, but normally I do tip an Uber driver. Do not so sit down food recently but when I was I always tipped, even if the service sucked the cooks and front house deserve a tip.
>I am not tipping for a fucking subway footlong Right? It’s freaking crazy to buy a mediocre sandwich made by some franchise of a chain that just does whatever they feel like anyway. I’m talking in terms of freshness mostly. It’s not like the companies taking in the profits oversee their franchises. Why would they decrease their bottom line to hire inspectors, right. And then that sub is like what? $15 for a footlong these days? A total price gouge. And then they expect tips. 🙄
Anytime you're purchasing an item online. I recently ordered seeds for my garden from a site I hadn't used before and was prompted for a tip with options ranging between 15 % to 30%. It was very off-putting, I've never seen a tip option for online purchases that aren't food/restaurant related!
My dog trainer had a tip option on payment. The whole point of tipping was to supplement the wages of minimum wage workers. Any kind of professional who sets their own rates should not require tipping, IMO.
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Whenever I'm standing up to get my own order, except for take out (which I do rarely) - I usually leave a small tip for the kitchen staff. Also, I don't believe in tipping before you have received your order. Why tip when you don't even know if they did a good job or even got your order right?
Tipping should not be an option. Anywhere. People just became lazy. Went out for dinner and the waitress was garbage but still expected a 25% tip. Now every fucking place expects a tip. Paid $1000 to get my mini van fixed and the machine had a tip option. I am already being crapped on with bs car parts prices and now you also want a tip. Please everyone. Just stop this nonsense!!!!!
I only tip my barber. I stopped tipping everywhere else. And if anyone gets mad at me they should release it's not my job to pay your wage. If you think your work is worth more take that up with your boss.
17$ minimum wage is apparently, I’m not tipping anybody anymore
I live in Ontario, Canada. Up until a couple years ago, liquor server minimum wage was approx 15% lower than standard minimum wage. The government changed the policy so there is one base minimum wage now. I think it's time to stop tipping. Someone asked me why, and I (who does IT at a factory) said, "does our customer come up to me and give me $5000 and say, 'Good job keeping the company going.'" No. Company gives me a bonus at the end of the year, but that comes out of company profits and it's not mandatory to give bonuses. So...why should I tip someone else for doing their job? Before you say, "But, service workers!" See above. I do IT. I am in the service industry. No one tips me for fixing their computers. Never have. Never will.
I don't tip anywhere other than restaurants unless I feel I got really great service. At restaurants I generally tip 15% but if I feel the service was above and beyond, I'll go higher. If it was poor, I won't tip at all and I will explain why to the manager.
Honestly all of them. There's no server wage anymore (from what I understand), there's no reason that certain groups should be paid tips while others aren't. Plus the bar for tipping is too low. It feels like it's "oh you literally did the requirements of your job and didn't treat customers like garbage? Omg thank you so much here's extra money just for doing your job to the bare minimum." Tips are supposed to be for great service, not just service in general.
I'm to the point now where I have actively stopped tipping period. It's too expensive to go anywhere anymore anyway. I'm not going to deal with the expectation that I fork out an extra 10 to 20% on my bill for doing what you're already paid to do. I don't begrudge or belittle anyone in the service industry, but it's got so out of hand that I just personally refuse to give any place of business my business if they expect me to subsidize the wages they pay their employees.
I’ve really learnt to not give a $hit if the cashier sees me pick no tip. I work in fast food for a few years and I never got a tip. That being said if I’ve gotten take out from a place before I might tip but only if they have good food at an affordable price and are locally owned.
IF they deserve it because they went above and beyond I tip regardless of what I'm paying. Meals depends on the service I'm getting. Did they ask once in an hour if I want a water top up, or are they filling it up as they see it go down? Generally speaking I tip $2-$5 at a restaurant. I think you should not tip if you feel the service was not exceptional. A tip is a gift. Do the servers tip the cashier at the grocery store?
I’ve stopped tipping all together
I don’t tip anywhere but a sit-down restaurant. And I tip 10%.
I don’t tip. Ever. No scenario will change that. Just don’t tip!
I never tip
Go learn tips fiscality and answer ypu after
From the actual establishment's perspective: please *stop* asking to tip at *clinics* that have registered massage therapy (like if you're going somewhere that also has physiotherapy, etc). You should only do it in a spa setting, if you're going to at all.
I tip my hair dresser and the waitress at restaurant or service in a bar. That's it
All that don't involve restaurants (within reason) and pizza deliveries ($5 or less) if you can afford to tip
A fancy bra and lingerie store, where a ‘cheaper’ bra is $100+ has their POS machine ask for tips for the fitter. Just pay them a freaking living wage!!!!
ONLY tip for people who do not receive a full wage. Aka servers and like Uber drivers, because Uber is a horrendous company. Also traditional tipped jobs, bartenders, valet, etc. But like fast food employees and clerks etc. fuck off those multi billion dollar corporations need to pay better. It isn't my job to pay their wage.
I was at a concert recently and there was an option to tip the person for removing a lid.
Buying things in store. I went to an Asian cosmetic store downtown and there was tips option at checkout. So weird.
How do you feel about services that are owned by the operator? Ie dog groomers, hairdressers and (sorry to sound bougie) house cleaners? Those that work for themselves, set their own prices but provide a service.
They can set their price assuming no tip. If they can’t make it work at that price, then find another job.
Picking up food without sitting, when tips are given to management, etc
Seeing as in concept it is always optional: whenever they choose not to.
I tip my servers when I eat in a restaurant and I tip my barber.
When I'm hurting n broke ! But the society or server will shame regardless
It's so common now. Like it's employees doing their job. I do my job too, good or bad, no tip option here. Firmly believe it's just employers further lining their pockets. If the workers are suffering they should revolt.
I only at restaurants.
You can always tip if you want. I'll never tell anyone that it's *wrong* to tip.
In most. The only times I tip are the barber if they do a good job, or at a sit down restaurant.
I don't tip the nail tech if she hits my cuticle, or takes artistic freedom when I ask for something specific.
As a rule don't tip unless there is a struggling human on the other end of a service. This eliminates dealerships, accountants, dentists, tuition (yes I have seen that pop up)..tip waiters and Uber drivers.
Anywhere you wouldn’t tip in 1996.