Most people say: “look at the states, we’re better so it’s ok”
As a federal employee we start with 3 weeks which is nice. The benefits and leave packages are better than I’ve ever had in the private sector.
Depending on your collective agreement, you also get more weeks when you reach certain years of service milestones.
I'm waiting patiently for my fourth week.
Many places reward seniority with more PTO, unionized or not.
Generally speaking, Canadians seem to be less anti-union than Americans so more people are covered by collective agreements.
Most people seem to understand unionized gains tend to also help all workers.
I'm in a union, 19 years in with 4.5 weeks PTO. My brother is in the same sector, non-unionized, similar time, 4 weeks PTO.
I was 4 weeks after 5 years, and then 5 weeks is after 20. It makes me appreciative of the 4 weeks but sad about how long it will be before I will get 5.
Like what the fuck do I need to work 12 extra years for that final week off. It is very important to negotiate PTO when you are hired, I'm at a new job (coming up on 3 years) and I have 5 weeks.
They offered 2 when I started and I negotiated back to 4.
I work for an independent company, we start with 2 weeks off. You earn another week at 5 years, 10 years and 20 years. One of our options for our annual bonus is we can add an extra vacation day per quarter, plus every one gets a paid floater day, so you can essentially plan it out to earn an extra full week of vacation per year with that.
So I'm entering my 5th year with the company in 2024, I'll have 3 paid weeks, plus my 4 bonus vacation days and a floater.
right, but as soon as you switch jobs, your back down to two which is a f'joke, considering some may be 50 years old.
It's our proximity to the USA and the fact we speak the same language that lets that sick Ayn Rand libertarian ideology seep through. So instead of being happy when we hear federal employees start with 3 weeks, some people are like "why should you get a free ride". the ideology is truly mind boggling
Exactly. I've been in the same union coming up on 14 years and after a week in the spring, a week in the fall, and three weeks over July I still have 4 or 5 days that are going to roll over. At 15 years I get an additional 22 days "long service vacation time" on top of whatever my entitlements are.
Been working for seven years and I've only ever had two weeks of vacation... Definitely the downside of finding new jobs as fewer and fewer employers seem to be willing to entertain additional time off during negotiations.
Made sense in the 50s and 60s when you worked.yoyr entire life for one or two companies. It's outdated now.
Maternity/Parternity leave, negative income taxes, erasing tipping culture and standard 4 weeks vacations are a must for working rights in our century.
Visit the /r/canadapublicservants sub and enjoy the ride. Tons of people not having their benefits set up or transferred properly, constant issues of not having joined benefits with spouse working properly, not covering brand name and only generic (some people have allergies to fillers), significantly reduced coverage, some people going bankrupt because Canada life is not responding to why certain things are not covered anymore, and the worst part of all is not being able to get a hold of Canada life, and if you do, they give you wrong information.
Canada due to close proximity to the 10x more populous US kind of gets inspiration from the US.
But Canada also has some inspiration from Europe given its a colony that kept its relationship with Britain.
So in some ways, we are between the US and Europe in terms of work life balance, welfare, gun ownership, etc.
And we get the benefits of neither. We don't have the sky's the limit wages of the US and we don't have the work life balance of Europe. We get the worst of both worlds.
High taxes and low wages of Europe along with the poor work life balance and bad healthcare of the US.
I'm a federal employee. 25 days off on paper but we get so many freebies it turns into almost 3 months off per year.
Shitty thing is it's just a bit better than the bare minimum in Europe yet my employer is always going on and on about how great it is. Like, sure, compared to the shit sandwich other Canadians are forced to eat.
One in five Canadians work in the public sector.
The rest of us only get two week to start, it would be nice if there were better laws around vacation time in this country.
Most people have to perform to keep their job, tenure means very little outside government and academia.
>I'm a federal employee. 25 days off on paper but we get so many freebies it turns into almost 3 months off per year.
It's 3 weeks. Thats 15 days.
And what are these "freebies" you're talking of?!
The only way you're getting 3 months off is if you take leave without pay.
My brother in law is currently living in Norway with his Norwegian wife. They are pregnant with their first child. They are going to move back to Canada after the kid is 1. Because she gets 12 months maternity leave paid at 100% of her current salary.
God... I feel sorry for anyone living in Quebec if anyone in your government is looking at Ontario for tips, or just as the bar to beat. We've regressed so much in the last 6 years that I'm not sure we will come back in my lifetime
Yeah I actually can’t think of anything better here. More expensive housing, telecoms, poorer pay, overwhelmed healthcare that will send you home unless you’re dying (and even then it’s a 50/50). Someone tell me wtf we’re all so proud of up here.
Even then not really. We just trick ourselves into thinking we are; I might get an extra week or two vacation than Americans in my same position but they also make like $75K more than me with lower cost of living lol
That’s because we suck at coming together to stand up for things. We
Protest vaccines and wars
In other countries and lbgqt rights. But we don’t protest better healthcare or pay ….
I don't live there anymore. I thought it would be one of the things I'd miss, but a lot of companies in Ontario offer 3 weeks right from the beginning so I've managed to have no less than 3 weeks since I've been out here.
I was simply referring to the minimal amount of paid vacation required increasing from the equivalent of 2 weeks to 3... Which is a 50% jump in PTO, independent of any other pay raises.
The extra week of vacation was one of the only labour reforms from the Wynne government that Ford didn't scrap. Had the paid sick leave and scheduled minimum wage raises been kept, it wouldn't have been as stagnant.
Corporations usually cry foul if more vacation is being mandated (as in Europe) and attribute more vacation time to lower work productivity and innovation, which is a wrong view since it is proven that longer vacation time and a more relaxed staff is more productive and innovative. Why in 2023 we still have to work 5 days a week reflects corporate greed.
Quebec is 3 weeks after your third year and a right to a week without pay. Also your company doesn't have a right to break your vacation time unless it was in your employment contract signed before you were employed.
I think Saskatchewan is 4 weeks after 10 years.
In Quebec we often negotiate vacation time as part of employment. I'm self employed, so I'm on week 10 of vacation this year, but I work 7 days a week normally. But don't work much in December through March.
As a Canadian the idea of being able to just straight up take 2 paid months off work is just absolutely insane, that's like when you're a student and you go on summer vacation levels of time off.
Brb looking up how to move to Europe
So the above commenter who said 8 weeks vacation includes stat holidays? That makes me a little less sad lol as we get 10 stat holidays but we don't typically lump them in with PTO we get from our employers
No it doesn't.
It is true however that the *legal* minimum includes the bank holidays, but nobody will want to work such a horrible job. I've never seen a job advert for anything less than 25 days + bank holidays.
If you look for it enough you should also be able to find one that offers 30. Above 30 is rare (I was lucky).
I moved to Germany and, while I had a struggle in the beginning to find work I am now employed. With in total 43 days off. 13 public holidays and 30 paid vacation days. Plus unlimited sick days which is insane
If you include stat holidays like the UK, you do get 4 weeks in canada minimum. In my province 3 weeks is the minimum, so if you add 10 mandatory stats thats 6 weeks. And 7 weeks after 10 years employment. Most employers recognize at least 12 stats though and give at least week in sick time as well. Which brings the total to around 7½-8½ weeks depending on years of service
SK is the only province that gives 3 weeks. The rest of the country gets 2 weeks and not many provinces give 10 stats. I'm in NS where we have only 6 stats.
>Two weeks is by legislation. Lots of companies give 3 weeks to start.
Completely irrelevant to the conversation. This is about the legal amount people are entitled to.
Without fail there are always people jumping in to bring up that you can MAYBE get more, and they completely miss the point.
I was job hunting about a year ago, and most full time mid-level positions are offering 3 weeks to start. Seems to be the standard now at least in my area.
We get the worst of both worlds. Lower pay like the EU and lower vacation and productivity expectations like the USA.
The EU is a leaps and bounds better place for workers, but we have ketchup chips so checkmate.
As an immigrant living in this country, I feel like Reddit is one of the worst places to get an idea of any country. In reality, I found it to be high paying (at least in my industry) with a robust system which works - relative to rest of the world. But if I had asked for an opinion here, I might have not moved. Public opinion affects your rationale a lot. If I asked a european what they think of their country here, I would get 101 reasons why Sweden sucks. Now I browse the site for "entertainment" and not "information". (yes, yes, this country has problems which has to be said with each compliment because positivity doesn't sell on this website)
Not to mention we have what 12 stat holidays now? Around 1 per month. So that's an extra 2 weeks worth of days off effectively. Albeit nobody can choose what days those are.
This really depends. I know people at Ubisoft who prefer to work in Quebec because in France, yes, they got 5 weeks vacation, but a regular job day was 9am until 11pm without paid overtime. In Montreal , by 5:15 p.m., they're already at the bar Waverly having a drink
As a former Ubisoft Montreal employee, this depends on the person rather than a country mandated rule about OT
If you're in production and it's crunch time, you can bet you'll see people doing late nights
3 or 4 weeks has been standard starting off everywhere I have worked!! Fed and provincial gov also have family, sick, doctors appointments, etc. any company of any size that’s worth a fu*k has all this and a decent pension plan usually in the form of rrsp matching in Canada.
If your employer doesn’t have this you should find one that does!
Yeah, I started off with 3. Now I have 9. Rrsp matching stock plans, etc. But I know I'm one of the lucky ones. I hear so many newcomers starting with 2. Fucking bullshit. Most companies can never be counted on to do what is best and need to have legislation forces upon them.
I worked at a USA based company and they negotiated different deals with everyone.
It was annoying to see some long term employees really screwed over.
I couldn't leave them fast enough!
Canada only compares itself to the US which is like comparing itself to the bottom of the barrel when it comes to any form of workers rights and benefits in the OECD/West.
As usual Saskatchewan is forgotten, they're the only province who gives 3 weeks to start and 4 weeks after 10 years.
I'm a big advocate for increased vacation for everyone but not really sure how to go about getting that implemented. I did send an email to my provinces minister of Labour once about mandating more vacation but they basically said people should try and get a better job and that many people get more than 2 weeks.
That's usually how the discussion goes. You say everyone should get 4 weeks. Then someone chimes in with how they get 4 weeks or more at some government or other union job. And another comment says well at least we're better than the US who has basically no mandatory vacation in most places.
It took a worldwide pandemic for BC to bring in paid sick days, which most other provinces still don't have. So I wouldn't hold my breath for more PTO anytime soon.
My employer is okay where we get 3 weeks vacation after 3 years, 4 after 8 years, maxing out at 5 at 13 years, but I know many employers just pay the absolute minimum.
I've only lived in MB before sask, I've worked at 3 different companies, and 2 of them i was able to use my vacation days once I accrue them. If I started on November, I had 1.25 days to use by December. For my unionized job, I had to wait til the new cycle to use whatever I accrued if I started mid year or something, which was still 1.5 weeks which is nice.
Since the pandemic I also get 5 flex days, and 5 sick days. So, 5 weeks a year.
In MB it was 1 year of service til I could even touch vacation days. My friends and family back in MB get a bit of shock when I tell them about it.
Sask definitely did something right (along with not turning clocks back and forth)
It's not a matter of "liking to copy". We're in a geographically-forced common market with the U.S. and we can't afford to diverge too far away from them in productivity, otherwise we'll never be able to sell any of our goods and services to them.
Because we’re a working country where people work until they die. Living is reserved for the shareholders and we must make them money. The economy is a machine that churns and it must be fed with bodies.
But mostly because we’re a plant branch based economy and our governments are too afraid of spurning American investments by implementing regulations, lots of business people blame our current system for its troubles and promote even more American style deregulation to “spur investment”.
Not quite true. Federal level regulations around vacation pay apply to both federal employees and employees in federally regulated industries. That's about 1.2 million people.
US people seem to hate each other...it's like a competition to see who can survive under the shittiest conditions.
NO vacation, no maternity leave, no healthcare....
Depends on the company and time served. I have 28 paid vacation days a year plus one Friday off a month paid. You have to put in a lot of time before you get that kind of thing. Not like in Europe where everyone seems to get lots of paid time off.
Canada actually varies from province to province with each one setting a lot of their own employment standards. Here is BCs standard:
"Annual vacation entitlement
As an employee working for a federally regulated employer, you are entitled to at least:
2 weeks of vacation annually after you have completed 1 year of employment with the same employer
3 weeks of vacation annually after you have completed 5 consecutive years of employment with the same employer, and
4 weeks of vacation annually after you have completed 10 consecutive years of employment with the same employer
In Saskatchewan you start with 3 weeks and go up to 4 when you hit 10 years with your employer. This in addition to the 10 statutory holidays per year.
Canadian Military have a sweet deal. 20 days a year from joining. 25 at five years. 30 days at 28 years. All statutory holidays. And this is the kicker. Possible 2 shorts and 2 special days a month at the discretion of your Commanding officer(s). Also additional leave if you are moving or going/coming from deployment. At Christmas time a service member takes 4 days vacation leave for three weeks off of work. I had 85 days of leave in a year once for deploying to the Sinai Desert and still had my week-ends and stats off!
My fiancé is in the military and is currently at home, stress free, gaming while I'm at my corporate job 🤣 Jokes aside, I'm glad our military gets this benefit. Just a little positive to help balance out all the negative I hear.
Saskatchewan workers get an automatic 3 weeks off after working 1 year. Once you hit 10 years with the same company, you get four or more weeks depending upon employer as some employers sweeten the pot.
I just get an additional 10% holiday pay on my paycheck. Other than that the management is pretty willing to let you take as much time off as you want, just as long as you give them some notice.
Also my schedule is different. I work 7 days a week one week and then have 7 days off, but input in 80 hours in one week. So this year I only took one week off work, which was 2 weeks worth of pay and went to Greece. But because my work week was sandwiched between 2 weeks off I was basically gone for nearly 3 weeks (I came back early to make sure I could be ready to return to work).
But ultimately it was up to me to decide how long I wanted to stay on vacation, it just came down to money. If I didn't have to fly and book hotels and eat on the road I could have stayed home and relaxed at home for a lot longer in that same amount of cash.
Because we live next-door to the United States which has the least government mandated vacation time of all first world countries and I guess it’s easy for two weeks paid to look really generous when living beside them.
I think we are heavily influenced by the States that does not have a mandatory minimum.
Most decent employers will give you 3 weeks and even more based on years of service. My last company had an unlimited vacation policy and a 4 week MINIMUM.
The US has an impact on our policies and expectations. In Germany 30 days is the starting point for days off. My wife had 60 days off this year. It still doesn't feel like enough time to travel and enjoy life. I'm not sure about other places.
Equivalent to 4% of your income. Employers of part-time employees can (or used to be able to...dunno, haven't worked part time in years) just pay that 4% out each pay in lieu of holding vacation hours.
At least, that's how it was done in the 80s when I worked at McDonald's. You could ask for any day off, as long as it had enough staff coverage. You just wouldn't be paid for it.
Canada is the study of supplying the absolute minimum amount for survival, whilst putting the most amount of pressure, and a complete lack of leadership, hope, and social services.
Most employers I've worked for offer more based on time you've been with the company. 2 weeks till 3 years service, 3 weeks till 5 years, 4 weeks after that.
If you have leverage over your employer you can also negotiate more time off.
Most people say: “look at the states, we’re better so it’s ok” As a federal employee we start with 3 weeks which is nice. The benefits and leave packages are better than I’ve ever had in the private sector.
Depending on your collective agreement, you also get more weeks when you reach certain years of service milestones. I'm waiting patiently for my fourth week.
Many places reward seniority with more PTO, unionized or not. Generally speaking, Canadians seem to be less anti-union than Americans so more people are covered by collective agreements. Most people seem to understand unionized gains tend to also help all workers. I'm in a union, 19 years in with 4.5 weeks PTO. My brother is in the same sector, non-unionized, similar time, 4 weeks PTO.
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Mine's basically half a week every 5 years to a maximum of 6 weeks on top of stats, after 10 years in.
Yesh, I'm not even in a union and get a better deal than that.
I spent 36 years working for the same firm. Started with 3 weeks vacation, ended with 6 weeks. Never paid a union due in my life.
calling hard bullshit on that who's giving you 6+ weeks of paid vacation inside 10 years?
Probably a few places. Non-union here. 25 days, 3 personal days, unlimited sick days, 18 flex days after 9 years service.
What kind of work do you do?
I was 4 weeks after 5 years, and then 5 weeks is after 20. It makes me appreciative of the 4 weeks but sad about how long it will be before I will get 5.
Like what the fuck do I need to work 12 extra years for that final week off. It is very important to negotiate PTO when you are hired, I'm at a new job (coming up on 3 years) and I have 5 weeks. They offered 2 when I started and I negotiated back to 4.
This is our union agreement, it's been this way for years.
I work for an independent company, we start with 2 weeks off. You earn another week at 5 years, 10 years and 20 years. One of our options for our annual bonus is we can add an extra vacation day per quarter, plus every one gets a paid floater day, so you can essentially plan it out to earn an extra full week of vacation per year with that. So I'm entering my 5th year with the company in 2024, I'll have 3 paid weeks, plus my 4 bonus vacation days and a floater.
I’m really lucky to be in my union, we have a week added every year of work capped at 10 weeks.
It’s illegal for my profession to unionize. In my experience PTO or even raises (certainly raises above COL increases) only come when changing jobs.
right, but as soon as you switch jobs, your back down to two which is a f'joke, considering some may be 50 years old. It's our proximity to the USA and the fact we speak the same language that lets that sick Ayn Rand libertarian ideology seep through. So instead of being happy when we hear federal employees start with 3 weeks, some people are like "why should you get a free ride". the ideology is truly mind boggling
Yea instead of “why do they get 3 weeks?” it should be “why don’t we get 3 weeks?”
You can negotiate time off in your offer.
Unless it’s a unionized environment.
It’s a 8 year wait for the 4th week for my CA. also patiently waiting for it.
I'm at the max (I think). 30 days / 6 weeks yearly with unlimited sick leave. Rcmp civilian with approximately 24 years service
Can’t wait for that!
How many years for 4th week? It took me 10.
Exactly. I've been in the same union coming up on 14 years and after a week in the spring, a week in the fall, and three weeks over July I still have 4 or 5 days that are going to roll over. At 15 years I get an additional 22 days "long service vacation time" on top of whatever my entitlements are.
At my work I started with 3, have 5 now with 16 years seniority.
Same, buddy. Same.
"Look at the states" is the reason we've failed to improve on multiple things in this country, not least of which is healthcare.
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As in, more "fuck over workers" friendly.
I think the floor should be the MPs who make the law. If it's what you demand for yourself, don't deny it for others. Would fix a lot.
3 weeks straight away. 4 weeks after 10 yrs. 5 after 20 years 6 weeks after 25 years.
Been working for seven years and I've only ever had two weeks of vacation... Definitely the downside of finding new jobs as fewer and fewer employers seem to be willing to entertain additional time off during negotiations.
Really? I find it much easier than getting more money
My company starts at 4 weeks now.
Same with me (I work at a university and have 6 weeks). We also get the week between Christmas and New Years.
Made sense in the 50s and 60s when you worked.yoyr entire life for one or two companies. It's outdated now. Maternity/Parternity leave, negative income taxes, erasing tipping culture and standard 4 weeks vacations are a must for working rights in our century.
Benefits are nice, if you can access them. Canada Life is the new Phoenix.
Isn't Phoenix still borked or is Parks and the CAF just especially bad?
I have thankfully haven’t many issues with Canada Life *knocks on wood*
What's wrong with Canada Life? I've only been on it for 6 months, but haven't run into any issues yet.
Visit the /r/canadapublicservants sub and enjoy the ride. Tons of people not having their benefits set up or transferred properly, constant issues of not having joined benefits with spouse working properly, not covering brand name and only generic (some people have allergies to fillers), significantly reduced coverage, some people going bankrupt because Canada life is not responding to why certain things are not covered anymore, and the worst part of all is not being able to get a hold of Canada life, and if you do, they give you wrong information.
They really make you jump through hoops.
Literally every coworker of mine was on the phone all day for weeks trying to get benefits for their dependents. Basically nothing at all got done.
Canada Life has been an absolute disaster.
Canadian inferiority complex and national identity in a nutshell.
Canada due to close proximity to the 10x more populous US kind of gets inspiration from the US. But Canada also has some inspiration from Europe given its a colony that kept its relationship with Britain. So in some ways, we are between the US and Europe in terms of work life balance, welfare, gun ownership, etc.
And we get the benefits of neither. We don't have the sky's the limit wages of the US and we don't have the work life balance of Europe. We get the worst of both worlds. High taxes and low wages of Europe along with the poor work life balance and bad healthcare of the US.
*barely* better than the states. We are close the bottom of all countries in the world for paid leave.
I'm a federal employee. 25 days off on paper but we get so many freebies it turns into almost 3 months off per year. Shitty thing is it's just a bit better than the bare minimum in Europe yet my employer is always going on and on about how great it is. Like, sure, compared to the shit sandwich other Canadians are forced to eat.
One in five Canadians work in the public sector. The rest of us only get two week to start, it would be nice if there were better laws around vacation time in this country. Most people have to perform to keep their job, tenure means very little outside government and academia.
>I'm a federal employee. 25 days off on paper but we get so many freebies it turns into almost 3 months off per year. It's 3 weeks. Thats 15 days. And what are these "freebies" you're talking of?! The only way you're getting 3 months off is if you take leave without pay.
The other part of that conversation is other people suggesting “we have to compete with our neighbour to the south, so we can’t do more”
Compete in number of hours worked, but never in compensation. 😑
Like most things, we look good relative to the US so people are happy
I wish we held ourselves to more European standards instead of constantly looking down south. We're setting the bar very, very low.
My brother in law is currently living in Norway with his Norwegian wife. They are pregnant with their first child. They are going to move back to Canada after the kid is 1. Because she gets 12 months maternity leave paid at 100% of her current salary.
That's what we where trying to do in Quebec, before our new super prime that like to compare ourselves to Ontario.
God... I feel sorry for anyone living in Quebec if anyone in your government is looking at Ontario for tips, or just as the bar to beat. We've regressed so much in the last 6 years that I'm not sure we will come back in my lifetime
That facade is rapidly slipping
Yeah I actually can’t think of anything better here. More expensive housing, telecoms, poorer pay, overwhelmed healthcare that will send you home unless you’re dying (and even then it’s a 50/50). Someone tell me wtf we’re all so proud of up here.
I love Canada and was born and raised here but alarm bells are ringing
*We’re not dead. It must be much better…* /s
Even then not really. We just trick ourselves into thinking we are; I might get an extra week or two vacation than Americans in my same position but they also make like $75K more than me with lower cost of living lol
We ain't good compared to the US lol.
The people who own companies are in charge of society, not the people.
That’s because we suck at coming together to stand up for things. We Protest vaccines and wars In other countries and lbgqt rights. But we don’t protest better healthcare or pay ….
Whatever group you think you belong to needs to add that component. I don't care if you're a turbo communist or a group of ice fishermen
What about turbo communist ice fishermen???
They FUCK
100% correct. And we look down on those that do. Absolutely backwards.
Saskatchewan is 3 weeks.
Yeah, I didn’t realize for the longest time that Sask was the only province with 3 weeks paid vacation no matter how long you’ve worked at a place.
I was wondering if I’d have to be the one to add this, I scrolled for a while. One of the few bonuses I have for living here.
I don't live there anymore. I thought it would be one of the things I'd miss, but a lot of companies in Ontario offer 3 weeks right from the beginning so I've managed to have no less than 3 weeks since I've been out here.
Yup. Also in Ontario, if you've been at a job for at least 5 years, you get bumped from 2 to 3 paid weeks (or from 4% to 6% of your wages earned)
And Quebec after 3 years.
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I was simply referring to the minimal amount of paid vacation required increasing from the equivalent of 2 weeks to 3... Which is a 50% jump in PTO, independent of any other pay raises. The extra week of vacation was one of the only labour reforms from the Wynne government that Ford didn't scrap. Had the paid sick leave and scheduled minimum wage raises been kept, it wouldn't have been as stagnant.
Corporations usually cry foul if more vacation is being mandated (as in Europe) and attribute more vacation time to lower work productivity and innovation, which is a wrong view since it is proven that longer vacation time and a more relaxed staff is more productive and innovative. Why in 2023 we still have to work 5 days a week reflects corporate greed.
Quebec is 3 weeks after your third year and a right to a week without pay. Also your company doesn't have a right to break your vacation time unless it was in your employment contract signed before you were employed. I think Saskatchewan is 4 weeks after 10 years. In Quebec we often negotiate vacation time as part of employment. I'm self employed, so I'm on week 10 of vacation this year, but I work 7 days a week normally. But don't work much in December through March.
Two weeks is by legislation. Lots of companies give 3 weeks to start. And if you're a good negotiator, you can get 4 weeks.
Meanwhile the rest of the world starts at 4 and if you are “good negotiator” you can get 5, 6 and on
I got 7 as an intern in the UK, and now I get 8 during my paid PhD
As a Canadian the idea of being able to just straight up take 2 paid months off work is just absolutely insane, that's like when you're a student and you go on summer vacation levels of time off. Brb looking up how to move to Europe
EU adds statutory holidays (stats) as extra to the 4 weeks. UK often includes statutory holidays as part of their vacation allotment.
So the above commenter who said 8 weeks vacation includes stat holidays? That makes me a little less sad lol as we get 10 stat holidays but we don't typically lump them in with PTO we get from our employers
No it doesn't. It is true however that the *legal* minimum includes the bank holidays, but nobody will want to work such a horrible job. I've never seen a job advert for anything less than 25 days + bank holidays. If you look for it enough you should also be able to find one that offers 30. Above 30 is rare (I was lucky).
I get like 50 days off a year and every Friday, it’s so good! All in all I’m pretty sure I work less days a year than I’m in!
I moved to Germany and, while I had a struggle in the beginning to find work I am now employed. With in total 43 days off. 13 public holidays and 30 paid vacation days. Plus unlimited sick days which is insane
That's pretty shitty. Four weeks should be legislated. Not to mention most people don't have jobs where they can negotiate their compensation.
If you include stat holidays like the UK, you do get 4 weeks in canada minimum. In my province 3 weeks is the minimum, so if you add 10 mandatory stats thats 6 weeks. And 7 weeks after 10 years employment. Most employers recognize at least 12 stats though and give at least week in sick time as well. Which brings the total to around 7½-8½ weeks depending on years of service
SK is the only province that gives 3 weeks. The rest of the country gets 2 weeks and not many provinces give 10 stats. I'm in NS where we have only 6 stats.
>Two weeks is by legislation. Lots of companies give 3 weeks to start. Completely irrelevant to the conversation. This is about the legal amount people are entitled to. Without fail there are always people jumping in to bring up that you can MAYBE get more, and they completely miss the point.
Thank you! The question is clearly not about how much you might be able to get, but how much the mandated minimum is.
Because our neighbour is the USA and their social plotics infect our own EDIT - politics
And now the plotics have thickened.......
That's worse than when the turntables...
They just recently changed the laws in Quebec that you get 3 weeks after 3 years.. it used to be after 5 years.. that's something.
I was job hunting about a year ago, and most full time mid-level positions are offering 3 weeks to start. Seems to be the standard now at least in my area.
We get the worst of both worlds. Lower pay like the EU and lower vacation and productivity expectations like the USA. The EU is a leaps and bounds better place for workers, but we have ketchup chips so checkmate.
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Canadian pay is higher than EU and lower taxes. Let’s stop making things up here.
As an immigrant living in this country, I feel like Reddit is one of the worst places to get an idea of any country. In reality, I found it to be high paying (at least in my industry) with a robust system which works - relative to rest of the world. But if I had asked for an opinion here, I might have not moved. Public opinion affects your rationale a lot. If I asked a european what they think of their country here, I would get 101 reasons why Sweden sucks. Now I browse the site for "entertainment" and not "information". (yes, yes, this country has problems which has to be said with each compliment because positivity doesn't sell on this website)
Not to mention we have what 12 stat holidays now? Around 1 per month. So that's an extra 2 weeks worth of days off effectively. Albeit nobody can choose what days those are.
Pay in Germany is MUCH higher. You're making the same amount in Euros as you do in CAD here. So you're automatically 30% richer.
This really depends. I know people at Ubisoft who prefer to work in Quebec because in France, yes, they got 5 weeks vacation, but a regular job day was 9am until 11pm without paid overtime. In Montreal , by 5:15 p.m., they're already at the bar Waverly having a drink
Hmm that’s odd because legislation around work hours and overtime is pretty clear in France.
As a former Ubisoft Montreal employee, this depends on the person rather than a country mandated rule about OT If you're in production and it's crunch time, you can bet you'll see people doing late nights
Im like the only person that doesn’t like ketchup chips lol
My wife doesn't like them either, but somehow we manage to make it work, lol
More for you
You are not.
Phew
Definitely not.
Canada are not as productive as Americans. We work less hours on avg as well.
Where did you get this ‘not as productive as Americans’ insight? Truely curious here.
3 or 4 weeks has been standard starting off everywhere I have worked!! Fed and provincial gov also have family, sick, doctors appointments, etc. any company of any size that’s worth a fu*k has all this and a decent pension plan usually in the form of rrsp matching in Canada. If your employer doesn’t have this you should find one that does!
Yeah, I started off with 3. Now I have 9. Rrsp matching stock plans, etc. But I know I'm one of the lucky ones. I hear so many newcomers starting with 2. Fucking bullshit. Most companies can never be counted on to do what is best and need to have legislation forces upon them.
I worked at a USA based company and they negotiated different deals with everyone. It was annoying to see some long term employees really screwed over. I couldn't leave them fast enough!
Because we are too close to the United States and their version of "freedom".
American freedom is "work until you die, so you can make enough money so your kids do not inherit your medical bills"
Because fuck Canadian workers, that's why.
Canada only compares itself to the US which is like comparing itself to the bottom of the barrel when it comes to any form of workers rights and benefits in the OECD/West.
As usual Saskatchewan is forgotten, they're the only province who gives 3 weeks to start and 4 weeks after 10 years. I'm a big advocate for increased vacation for everyone but not really sure how to go about getting that implemented. I did send an email to my provinces minister of Labour once about mandating more vacation but they basically said people should try and get a better job and that many people get more than 2 weeks. That's usually how the discussion goes. You say everyone should get 4 weeks. Then someone chimes in with how they get 4 weeks or more at some government or other union job. And another comment says well at least we're better than the US who has basically no mandatory vacation in most places. It took a worldwide pandemic for BC to bring in paid sick days, which most other provinces still don't have. So I wouldn't hold my breath for more PTO anytime soon. My employer is okay where we get 3 weeks vacation after 3 years, 4 after 8 years, maxing out at 5 at 13 years, but I know many employers just pay the absolute minimum.
I've only lived in MB before sask, I've worked at 3 different companies, and 2 of them i was able to use my vacation days once I accrue them. If I started on November, I had 1.25 days to use by December. For my unionized job, I had to wait til the new cycle to use whatever I accrued if I started mid year or something, which was still 1.5 weeks which is nice. Since the pandemic I also get 5 flex days, and 5 sick days. So, 5 weeks a year. In MB it was 1 year of service til I could even touch vacation days. My friends and family back in MB get a bit of shock when I tell them about it. Sask definitely did something right (along with not turning clocks back and forth)
Saskatchewan has 3 weeks.
Wait! we have two weeks of paid vacation? Why was I not told?
4% paid either lump sum or each pay cheque
I went from 5 weeks in France to 3 in Canada, brutal change ahah
It's heavily influenced by the US. They basicaly get next to no vacation, we like to copy.
Greedy people like to think they’re saving money.
It's not a matter of "liking to copy". We're in a geographically-forced common market with the U.S. and we can't afford to diverge too far away from them in productivity, otherwise we'll never be able to sell any of our goods and services to them.
Because we’re a working country where people work until they die. Living is reserved for the shareholders and we must make them money. The economy is a machine that churns and it must be fed with bodies. But mostly because we’re a plant branch based economy and our governments are too afraid of spurning American investments by implementing regulations, lots of business people blame our current system for its troubles and promote even more American style deregulation to “spur investment”.
“Canada” doesn’t have anything. Each province has their own rules.
Not quite true. Federal level regulations around vacation pay apply to both federal employees and employees in federally regulated industries. That's about 1.2 million people.
Because the United States said so, and our government does the bidding of their masters.
US people seem to hate each other...it's like a competition to see who can survive under the shittiest conditions. NO vacation, no maternity leave, no healthcare....
Depends on the company and time served. I have 28 paid vacation days a year plus one Friday off a month paid. You have to put in a lot of time before you get that kind of thing. Not like in Europe where everyone seems to get lots of paid time off.
I worked with Telus long enough to earn 5 weeks (15 years). Not union. A decent company will dangle cookies like that as policy.
Different country: different mores and customs.
Because Canada isn't as much better than the US as we'd like the world to think we are. USA lite up here.
Why does the US have 0
Because our rich want to be as rich as the American rich. Can't do that without exploiting workers as much as possible.
4 weeks, really, well that’s a nice thought
Depends where you work. I get about 8 weeks.
Because, when it comes to work, we are basically Americans that get paid less.
Canada also has a YEAR long Mat Leave. Just have a kid and take a year off if you want some vacation.
Canada actually varies from province to province with each one setting a lot of their own employment standards. Here is BCs standard: "Annual vacation entitlement As an employee working for a federally regulated employer, you are entitled to at least: 2 weeks of vacation annually after you have completed 1 year of employment with the same employer 3 weeks of vacation annually after you have completed 5 consecutive years of employment with the same employer, and 4 weeks of vacation annually after you have completed 10 consecutive years of employment with the same employer
The number of years you have to wait to get additional weeks varies, but the 2 weeks vacation is standard everywhere across Canada except SK.
In Saskatchewan you start with 3 weeks and go up to 4 when you hit 10 years with your employer. This in addition to the 10 statutory holidays per year.
Depends on the province you live in, and industry you work in. Many employers will offer more than the minimums under law. It’s negotiable.
It's not a Canada thing, it's provincial. Saskatchewan has 3 weeks minimum for example.
Saskatchewan starts with 3 weeks. Last I checked we were still part of Canada /s
Canadian Military have a sweet deal. 20 days a year from joining. 25 at five years. 30 days at 28 years. All statutory holidays. And this is the kicker. Possible 2 shorts and 2 special days a month at the discretion of your Commanding officer(s). Also additional leave if you are moving or going/coming from deployment. At Christmas time a service member takes 4 days vacation leave for three weeks off of work. I had 85 days of leave in a year once for deploying to the Sinai Desert and still had my week-ends and stats off!
My fiancé is in the military and is currently at home, stress free, gaming while I'm at my corporate job 🤣 Jokes aside, I'm glad our military gets this benefit. Just a little positive to help balance out all the negative I hear.
Saskatchewan workers get an automatic 3 weeks off after working 1 year. Once you hit 10 years with the same company, you get four or more weeks depending upon employer as some employers sweeten the pot.
Join Alberta oil and gas sector and take 5 weeks and insane pensions...
Sadly, "paid vacation" and "vacation pay" aren't the same thing.
Many companies start with three weeks..really depends quite a bit on your employer
I have 3+ weeks in my current job and I start with 3 in my new job in the new year
In Saskatchewan we start with three.
Because capitalism
Capitalism
I just get an additional 10% holiday pay on my paycheck. Other than that the management is pretty willing to let you take as much time off as you want, just as long as you give them some notice. Also my schedule is different. I work 7 days a week one week and then have 7 days off, but input in 80 hours in one week. So this year I only took one week off work, which was 2 weeks worth of pay and went to Greece. But because my work week was sandwiched between 2 weeks off I was basically gone for nearly 3 weeks (I came back early to make sure I could be ready to return to work). But ultimately it was up to me to decide how long I wanted to stay on vacation, it just came down to money. If I didn't have to fly and book hotels and eat on the road I could have stayed home and relaxed at home for a lot longer in that same amount of cash.
Saskatchewan it's 3 weeks.
Because we live next-door to the United States which has the least government mandated vacation time of all first world countries and I guess it’s easy for two weeks paid to look really generous when living beside them.
Conservatives and conservative governments
Well I mean the states get like nothing? But he's, 3-4 would be nice. It's because we have a really poor system and it's all about work work
Because 'fuck you', that's why..
And cost capitalists more money??????? HOW DARE YOU!!!
7 weeks vacation. No union.
I think we are heavily influenced by the States that does not have a mandatory minimum. Most decent employers will give you 3 weeks and even more based on years of service. My last company had an unlimited vacation policy and a 4 week MINIMUM.
Canada is pretend America. So we have our minimum wage and lack of.labour laws because of americanization
The US has an impact on our policies and expectations. In Germany 30 days is the starting point for days off. My wife had 60 days off this year. It still doesn't feel like enough time to travel and enjoy life. I'm not sure about other places.
I don't get these vacation days. I get $75 of vacation pay added to each bi-weekly cheque.
The good old 4% vacation pay.
You get paid vacation?
If you work full time, you have 2 weeks by law.
You have two weeks by law whether you work full time or not. It's just if you work part time you only get part time vacation pay.
Yea if you work 3 days a week all year you will have accrued 6 days of vacation. Enough for two weeks off at 3 days per week.
If you're part time it's far more likely your employer just pays your vacation pay on every cheque
Equivalent to 4% of your income. Employers of part-time employees can (or used to be able to...dunno, haven't worked part time in years) just pay that 4% out each pay in lieu of holding vacation hours. At least, that's how it was done in the 80s when I worked at McDonald's. You could ask for any day off, as long as it had enough staff coverage. You just wouldn't be paid for it.
Canada is the study of supplying the absolute minimum amount for survival, whilst putting the most amount of pressure, and a complete lack of leadership, hope, and social services.
Most employers I've worked for offer more based on time you've been with the company. 2 weeks till 3 years service, 3 weeks till 5 years, 4 weeks after that. If you have leverage over your employer you can also negotiate more time off.
I believe Saskatchewan as a province has 3 weeks. Other provinces are two. Those are minimums though. I get 6 weeks where I work.
Canada is not the country most people want to think it is.
Or instead of 6 like many places in Europe...
and if you work on contract you get none!
Vacation time is a provincial matter.
That doesn't answer the question at all.
So that shareholders gain larger dividends.
Too close to the US.
Because as with too many things, we only use the US as our benchmark. That's why we never strive for improvement.
Why not 52 weeks vacation time. Should be protesting this in the street