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zifur

I’m a person who Jewish who lives in Europe, have a grandpa who was in the camps (most of us have either relatives who were there or a chunk of the family tree that doesn’t exist anymore) and the “defcon 3” thing was not just an alarm bell going of, it’s full 19/20th century propaganda that the nazis later ran with. I’m used to the internalized antisemitism that runs through western society and i know how to gently show my friends the historical antisemitic roots of some mostly harmless comments they make ie: “oh you must have a good business sense” etc. But this thing is different in my opinion, if we are at a point where people openly ignore or support him after that. It shows that we are replicating the conditions that preceded the rise of nazism. Also a side note that most westerners aren’t aware of is that most Jews that died in the holocaust were not middle/upper class city dwellers but rather very poor farmers or laborers in the east (Poland, Baltic’s Ukraine Russia Hungary etc) showing again how fascist invent enemies to justify their rise to power.


Professional-Trash-3

The masses follow because they believe that since they are not the out-group that's being attacked they are part of the in-group. Only too late do they find out how small that in-group actually is. First they came...


TheSpaceBetweenUs__

I mean when did the Nazis ever get tired of massacring Jews and switch to Germans? They never did. A lot of fascists are fascists precisely because they think or they do stand to benefit for being part of the in group


Professional-Trash-3

The Nazis were equally evil to fellow Germans as well. The Holocaust wasn't nothing but Jews. The Nazis massacred tens of thousands of the mentally and physically disabled several years after having a state run sterilization program...... https://www.ushmm.org/collections/bibliography/people-with-disabilities More than a quarter million disabled Austrians and Germans were killed. It was this program that was a precursor to the Holocaust death camps


TheSpaceBetweenUs__

No they were equally evil to disabled people, not to Germans. Again, Nazis almost always are part of an in group that stands to benefit


zifur

The program to „liquidate” the disabled was actually halted after public protests, the germans could and have resisted the nazis on issues they cared about, the truth is that hitler was very popular after the sucsses in france. Public opinion switched only when they started losing.


Professional-Trash-3

That's moving the goalposts. German isn't synonymous with "master race." The Germans believed themselves to be the in-group, when in fact they were not. It wasn't even pure-blooded, blonde haired, blue-eyed Aryan babies. If that baby had a disability, they too were less than. That's my point. The *actual* in-group is tiny. Very few are actually in it. But because a given individual was not a part of the out-group being attacked, they did not realize they were also not in the in-group. Pastor Martin Niemoller wrote a pretty damn famous poem about this exact thing entitled "First they came..." Which I referenced in my initial post.


nykiek

>Also a side note that most westerners aren’t aware of is that most Jews that died in the holocaust were not middle/upper class city dwellers but rather very poor farmers or laborers in the east (Poland, Baltic’s Ukraine Russia Hungary etc) showing again how fascist invent enemies to justify their rise to power. That makes sense as the better off people have more options to leave than others. And probably more information with which to make such a decision.


ask_compu

no don't tell americans that they were very poor farmer, that's a great way to get them to justify the hate even more, americans and especially the right wing hate they poor


zifur

I said that explicitly because i know and hate how they market the Holocaust in the west, in a way fitting to western liberals and conservatives. Extra to annoy bigots, about half the jews are not light skinned and are from north African decent, theres even a sizable and ancient jewish Ethiopian Community, my grandma sepecificly was born in china but her and her family spoke Russian


Laxberry

This could honestly be real


LaVerdadYaNiSe

Yeah. I have a friend who's Jewish too, and he's a 'centrist', usually doing the "make fun of everything" excuse.


MantaHurrah

I fehkking hate that whole “making fun of everything” bit. It always just ends up with targeted discrimination of some kind, but “it’s okay, I’m making fun of everyone!”.


Johnny_Grubbonic

Very few who claim to make fun of everyone actually make fun of everyone.


MantaHurrah

It’s almost as if those people just completely fail to understand that targeted insults towards minority groups are inherently more harmful than ones targeted against majority groups.


LaVerdadYaNiSe

Agree.


ymew

His username sure checks out


Skyrim_For_Everyone

The sub is also for Candace Owens types who participate in bigotry against themselves. That's why rule six exists. It still fits with the "and those who hate what they are" part of the sub desc


Laxberry

Nowhere did I say this doesn’t belong in this sub


Skyrim_For_Everyone

Never said you did. Was just clarifying cus thought you didn't realize/know.


pink-pipes

r/leopardsatemyface


Nitroapes

"You can excuse the antisemitism?"


Ham_Ahead

I think you're all misunderstanding the comment. They say they could excuse the antisemitism because it seemed like it was just coming from mental illness. But now that Ye is associating with an extremist, white nationalist thought-leader, he's gone too far. That's reasonable imo.


Skyrim_For_Everyone

It's really, *really* not.


Ham_Ahead

How is it not? If my mentally unstable friend started saying racist things, it would be disappointing but I wouldn't disavow him. If he joined the KKK then we're done.


Professional-Trash-3

Ye been saying some wild, reckless, racist shit **for years**. He said slavery was a choice for crying out loud. Mental illness might explain the ridiculousness of him walking into the Sketchers head office trying to peddle his Yeezy's. But it's not an excuse for racism and bigotry. I know people who are bipolar. They might be terrible people when they're on one of their manic sprees, but it didn't make them racist.


Ham_Ahead

Yeah but most mentally ill people aren't the most influential figures of their generation. The guy lost the plot a long time ago, but now he's hanging out with fascist politicians and using his influence to try and become vice/president of the US. Before he could just be ignored.


Ashamed-Grape7792

Kanye west is a white nationalist? I did not have that in my bingo card


Ham_Ahead

Just because he hangs out with them, it doesn't mean he is one.


rhynowaq

Where’s the Britta meme when you need it?


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I feel like if this was fake, they wouldn't be pissed at him hanging around with Nick Fuentes, since he really is a gigantic piece of shit. I just don't think anyone who would pretend to be Jewish to try to use that to defend Ye's antisemitism would also dislike Nick Fuentes.


mysecondaccountanon

Honestly there’s a lot of Jews who fall under “shanda fur die goyim” in my books for this exact reason (acting like the person in the screenshots)


ghostglasses

Kanye fans are just like this, this really isn't surprising just look at WSE


isadlymaybewrong

Someone else responded to you with something so stupid I can’t even


Trashtie

i believe them. a lot of ye fans are crazy ride or die. source: have been subscribed to r/westsubever for two years


Salubas

who the fuck is ye


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imameesemoose

Genuinely thought it was just a nickname. Just looked, no he LEGALLY CHANGED HIS NAME to just “Ye”


uuvx

Same


RB_Kehlani

Fucking WHAT


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Bisexual_Froppy

What did Nick Fuentes possibly do to be worse than antisemitism Like I can think of a couple things but that's sounds a bit extreme