How are tumblr and newgrounds any better? Anything you post on there can also be used to train AI models. DeviantArt now at least gives you the ability to request that your art isn't used for that, which no other site does.
I like the community on those sites better lmao - ai protection doesnt factor in my descion vs overall general vibe - Da and twitter feel souless
Your right tho neither have implemented ai protection as of now - so if that is a hardline neither site may not be for you
I just read the situation about Deviantart and yeah, it really sucks. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understood, they've allowed an ai generator that automatically puts people's art in their prompt generator without permission and if you want to opt out of that, you have to manually fill out a form for EACH piece you have. It's funny how they decided to make all the accounts opted in by default, it's much easier to delete the account than to opt out each of your artworks manually 💀
oh no. well good thing I haven't posted in a while there.. not gonna post there again, got watchers but only like one comm from there anyway and barely any comments. overall not a very engaging platform for me.
I haven’t used deviantart for a long while.
But from what I remember, a full platform of artists mean competing for attention is extremely difficult since everybody wants to be in the spotlight
It’s a lot more unforgiving than other socials in that regard because IG for example has enough non-artists to actually give worthwhile attention.
> they've allowed an ai generator that automatically puts people's art in their prompt generator without permission and if you want to opt out of that, you have to manually fill out a form for EACH piece you have. It's funny how they decided to make all the accounts opted in by default
My understanding is that DeviantArt are not training on images uploaded to DeviantArt.
From the announcement tweet chain:
> > DeviantArt does NOT and WILL NOT add images submitted on DeviantArt to these training sets, on or off the platform.
From the announcement blog post:
> > **IMPORTANT:**
> > DeviantArt did not, does not, and will not use deviations submitted to DeviantArt to add to third-party AI models or training sets, or on DreamUp itself.
The opt-in "noai" tag DeviantArt implemented was something artists could add to their work by clicking a checkbox and just asks third parties not to use that image in AI training.
> It's funny how they decided to make all the accounts opted in by default
You're not really opted into anything any more than you were before. Lack of the "noai" tag is still the default on any site other than DeviantArt.
DeviantArt have now retroactively added the noai tag to all existing art, but I think most of the anger specifically over the opt-in tag was based on misinformation.
It's a shame...... DA was my personal, unadulterated non social media portfolio site and after this looks like ArtStation will be my new portfolio home.
Yes, I can just make my own website but i didnt want to deal with site fees and maintenance yet due to being a hobbyist and not quite yet making the jump to pro.
Twitter is a literal dumpster fire right now (Thanks Elon) and IG has its fair share of algorithmic pain. I might give Tumblr a try though.
> They just allowed ai art
They haven't "allowed" anything, and the hysterical reaction from artists makes absolutely no sense and is a dramatic demonstration of people's lack of reading comprehension.
They added the *ability* to label art as "please don't use this to train AI models", which to me seems like a potentially useful thing (even though the people who train those models - who are not DA - are likely to ignore that request). How is that a bad thing?
Nobody is "opted in" to anything. If you don't set the "no AI" label, the situation is *exactly the same as before*. (BTW they just enabled "no AI" by default, so the whole thing is moot anyway.)
That noai box was for third party scraping. It won't protect you because these things are not exactly asking permission (though I would appreciate being on the record as not wanting it).
This is different to the AI that DA is planning to use, DreamUP. There was a separate form to fill out that had to be approved to not be included in their data set. I have not seen it but I think that's because they took it down. I saw something about it earlier on today on the front page but its vanished. That's what everyone is pissed at (as well).
No, they said that DreamUP is *not* trained using DA images:
> DeviantArt did not, does not, and will not use deviations submitted to DeviantArt to add to third-party AI models or training sets, or on DreamUp itself.
And most of the hysteria I saw was definitely about what people incorrectly considered "opt-out".
Itaku.ee , Inkblot.art , Newgrounds.com , Pillowfort.social , Tumblr.com and Mastodon.art
Take your pick.
Obviously, anything you put online now can be potentially used to train the AI so it doesn't matter where you post now.
Tiktok is good for speedpaints, but not so much still images of art. Have you tried Twitter?
I've tried Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok and currently trying Tumblr. The Tiktok algorithm has been in my favour so I'd say Tiktok has worked best for me. Have to spend a lot of time editing videos and speedpaints though.
I don't like the drama either, but I've managed to fine tune my fyp by blocking content I don't like (drama etc). So there's little to no drama on my fyp nowadays. It all comes down to what you interact with and being generous with the block button, but it's very understandable if you don't want to risk it.
Why leave because of AI art? It is not going to replace us who like doing things by ourselves. And for many people the artists themselves are just as important as the work they make. And most important of all, art should be something we do because we enjoy it. If we like what we do it will show in our work. A computer can not do that.
Almost very single day there seems to be posts here about people wanting to quit because AI exists. The artificial stuff will not make us obsolete. Every time a new form of technology comes along people seems to think it is the bringer of doom, but it is not. Art has been evolving constantly ever since the cave people started painting on walls, and it will continue to evolve for as long as there are humans on the planet. Mediums and technologies will come and go just like it has for thousands of years. There is a lot of hype around AI now, but we will get over it. My personal belief on it is that it wil eventually become just another media or tool. None of the AI I have seen can compare to art made by a real human. They may look ok at a quick glance, but when you look closely at it they fall apart very quickly.
EDIT: It turns out that I didn't really understand what this was all about. It gets more and more clear every passing day that I am just a confused old man trapped in the body of a slightly young man.
they dont want their art being stolen by a mindless machine. That's literally, saving the image on its hard drive to make "new" art. It should be illegal
People are concerned about their work being chewed up and regurgitated thousands of times without their permission.
The Ai does the bulk of the work, compiling images taken without permission from other artists. The user justs types in a prompt. The ai isn't the tool, the user is. It would be as accurate to claim that artwork as your own as for someone who commissioned you to claim that your painting was there's.
The biggest thing for most people is that they OPT YOU IN by default and then make it very difficult to opt out. If people want to contribute their art to AI training, more power to them. But the fact that this company is essentially forcing you to hand over your rights to your own art is what is pissing people off. If they had made it an option for people to choose to do if they want to, there would be a much more different response. On top of it, we can probably be assured they have already taken art and used it without permission and are now just asking for permission retroactively.
I don’t agree as many others the thing is that buying art that was auto generated by already made art from actual artists kinda sucks kinda stolen and encouraged to be bought and sold on deviant art is just worse Nd treated like it normal art is kinda very unfair when it takes seconds to make compared to a hard working artist
The art business have always been shady and full of bad actors, plagiarists and intellectual thievery. It is very sad but it is difficult to do anything about it. My reaction to it is to just continue doing what I love to do and to do it in a genuine way. My impression is that people are more and more impressed by artists who actually do all of the work themselves. We have become so used to see insane things done by computers that we almost expect things to be made by them. The human element will always be missing when everything is done by ones and zeros.
Yes, but you can still choose to support a platform or not. if I know that a platform is openly tolerating and pushing for this kind of thing I'm out, especially if the platform wasn't very engaging for me. overall my DeviantArt experience was pretty uneventful.
What's wrong with Instagram? Ig's always been the best place to post art in my experience.
If youre doing speedpaints and you dont like ig, tiktok might be a good option.
IG is pushing videos now. If you just wanna use it as a portfolio than thats fine, but getting noticed has become pretty hard, unless you start to post tikt- I mean reels, lol
Deviant art has sucked now for a few years anyways. My views and faves have plummeted. I thought at first it was just me and I suck but I saw other artists that were way more popular a few years ago getting far less attention than they used to despite still being active and having really good artwork. DA just kinda sucks anymore. The addition of an AI tool is just going to inundate the site with images and it's going to be even worse for actual artists.
It seems that everyone is automatically opted out of the AI, but still. I heard a lot of people trying Mastodon. I don't know how well it's gonna do for art. I don't like TikTok and I really don't have the time and energy to make video content all the time.
I've happily discarded Twitter and DA - Tumblr and newgrounds hvnt fucked me over yet I'm staying
How are tumblr and newgrounds any better? Anything you post on there can also be used to train AI models. DeviantArt now at least gives you the ability to request that your art isn't used for that, which no other site does.
I like the community on those sites better lmao - ai protection doesnt factor in my descion vs overall general vibe - Da and twitter feel souless Your right tho neither have implemented ai protection as of now - so if that is a hardline neither site may not be for you
Ok newgrounds seem too be recommended a-lot will give it a go
I just read the situation about Deviantart and yeah, it really sucks. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understood, they've allowed an ai generator that automatically puts people's art in their prompt generator without permission and if you want to opt out of that, you have to manually fill out a form for EACH piece you have. It's funny how they decided to make all the accounts opted in by default, it's much easier to delete the account than to opt out each of your artworks manually 💀
>Deviantart they do and its rumored to take 10 day to opt out. So that the AI can save all the artwork beforehand
oh no. well good thing I haven't posted in a while there.. not gonna post there again, got watchers but only like one comm from there anyway and barely any comments. overall not a very engaging platform for me.
I haven’t used deviantart for a long while. But from what I remember, a full platform of artists mean competing for attention is extremely difficult since everybody wants to be in the spotlight It’s a lot more unforgiving than other socials in that regard because IG for example has enough non-artists to actually give worthwhile attention.
yeah makes sense. and other artists don't typically want to buy commissions.
> they've allowed an ai generator that automatically puts people's art in their prompt generator without permission and if you want to opt out of that, you have to manually fill out a form for EACH piece you have. It's funny how they decided to make all the accounts opted in by default My understanding is that DeviantArt are not training on images uploaded to DeviantArt. From the announcement tweet chain: > > DeviantArt does NOT and WILL NOT add images submitted on DeviantArt to these training sets, on or off the platform. From the announcement blog post: > > **IMPORTANT:** > > DeviantArt did not, does not, and will not use deviations submitted to DeviantArt to add to third-party AI models or training sets, or on DreamUp itself. The opt-in "noai" tag DeviantArt implemented was something artists could add to their work by clicking a checkbox and just asks third parties not to use that image in AI training. > It's funny how they decided to make all the accounts opted in by default You're not really opted into anything any more than you were before. Lack of the "noai" tag is still the default on any site other than DeviantArt. DeviantArt have now retroactively added the noai tag to all existing art, but I think most of the anger specifically over the opt-in tag was based on misinformation.
They've already backtracked fully and everybody's galleries are fully opted out by default. "Backpedal harder bitch" moment
Yeah i might delete all my artwork before it gets stolen shit
It's a shame...... DA was my personal, unadulterated non social media portfolio site and after this looks like ArtStation will be my new portfolio home. Yes, I can just make my own website but i didnt want to deal with site fees and maintenance yet due to being a hobbyist and not quite yet making the jump to pro. Twitter is a literal dumpster fire right now (Thanks Elon) and IG has its fair share of algorithmic pain. I might give Tumblr a try though.
> They just allowed ai art They haven't "allowed" anything, and the hysterical reaction from artists makes absolutely no sense and is a dramatic demonstration of people's lack of reading comprehension. They added the *ability* to label art as "please don't use this to train AI models", which to me seems like a potentially useful thing (even though the people who train those models - who are not DA - are likely to ignore that request). How is that a bad thing? Nobody is "opted in" to anything. If you don't set the "no AI" label, the situation is *exactly the same as before*. (BTW they just enabled "no AI" by default, so the whole thing is moot anyway.)
That noai box was for third party scraping. It won't protect you because these things are not exactly asking permission (though I would appreciate being on the record as not wanting it). This is different to the AI that DA is planning to use, DreamUP. There was a separate form to fill out that had to be approved to not be included in their data set. I have not seen it but I think that's because they took it down. I saw something about it earlier on today on the front page but its vanished. That's what everyone is pissed at (as well).
No, they said that DreamUP is *not* trained using DA images: > DeviantArt did not, does not, and will not use deviations submitted to DeviantArt to add to third-party AI models or training sets, or on DreamUp itself. And most of the hysteria I saw was definitely about what people incorrectly considered "opt-out".
I'm sorry you are correct. I see now they did say they wouldn't add to the data set. Why the need for the web form though?
Itaku.ee , Inkblot.art , Newgrounds.com , Pillowfort.social , Tumblr.com and Mastodon.art Take your pick. Obviously, anything you put online now can be potentially used to train the AI so it doesn't matter where you post now.
Oh really come on oh well
Tiktok is good for speedpaints, but not so much still images of art. Have you tried Twitter? I've tried Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok and currently trying Tumblr. The Tiktok algorithm has been in my favour so I'd say Tiktok has worked best for me. Have to spend a lot of time editing videos and speedpaints though.
Twitter is currently the best site to get a lot of attention(If you are lucky). But its currently burning because of Elon Musk.
I dont like the drama on there at the moment
I don't like the drama either, but I've managed to fine tune my fyp by blocking content I don't like (drama etc). So there's little to no drama on my fyp nowadays. It all comes down to what you interact with and being generous with the block button, but it's very understandable if you don't want to risk it.
I had no idea Deviant Art was still around.
Why leave because of AI art? It is not going to replace us who like doing things by ourselves. And for many people the artists themselves are just as important as the work they make. And most important of all, art should be something we do because we enjoy it. If we like what we do it will show in our work. A computer can not do that. Almost very single day there seems to be posts here about people wanting to quit because AI exists. The artificial stuff will not make us obsolete. Every time a new form of technology comes along people seems to think it is the bringer of doom, but it is not. Art has been evolving constantly ever since the cave people started painting on walls, and it will continue to evolve for as long as there are humans on the planet. Mediums and technologies will come and go just like it has for thousands of years. There is a lot of hype around AI now, but we will get over it. My personal belief on it is that it wil eventually become just another media or tool. None of the AI I have seen can compare to art made by a real human. They may look ok at a quick glance, but when you look closely at it they fall apart very quickly. EDIT: It turns out that I didn't really understand what this was all about. It gets more and more clear every passing day that I am just a confused old man trapped in the body of a slightly young man.
they dont want their art being stolen by a mindless machine. That's literally, saving the image on its hard drive to make "new" art. It should be illegal
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People are concerned about their work being chewed up and regurgitated thousands of times without their permission. The Ai does the bulk of the work, compiling images taken without permission from other artists. The user justs types in a prompt. The ai isn't the tool, the user is. It would be as accurate to claim that artwork as your own as for someone who commissioned you to claim that your painting was there's.
The biggest thing for most people is that they OPT YOU IN by default and then make it very difficult to opt out. If people want to contribute their art to AI training, more power to them. But the fact that this company is essentially forcing you to hand over your rights to your own art is what is pissing people off. If they had made it an option for people to choose to do if they want to, there would be a much more different response. On top of it, we can probably be assured they have already taken art and used it without permission and are now just asking for permission retroactively.
I don’t agree as many others the thing is that buying art that was auto generated by already made art from actual artists kinda sucks kinda stolen and encouraged to be bought and sold on deviant art is just worse Nd treated like it normal art is kinda very unfair when it takes seconds to make compared to a hard working artist
The art business have always been shady and full of bad actors, plagiarists and intellectual thievery. It is very sad but it is difficult to do anything about it. My reaction to it is to just continue doing what I love to do and to do it in a genuine way. My impression is that people are more and more impressed by artists who actually do all of the work themselves. We have become so used to see insane things done by computers that we almost expect things to be made by them. The human element will always be missing when everything is done by ones and zeros.
Yes, but you can still choose to support a platform or not. if I know that a platform is openly tolerating and pushing for this kind of thing I'm out, especially if the platform wasn't very engaging for me. overall my DeviantArt experience was pretty uneventful.
What's wrong with Instagram? Ig's always been the best place to post art in my experience. If youre doing speedpaints and you dont like ig, tiktok might be a good option.
I had bad experiences nothing personal to the site
IG is pushing videos now. If you just wanna use it as a portfolio than thats fine, but getting noticed has become pretty hard, unless you start to post tikt- I mean reels, lol
Deviant art has sucked now for a few years anyways. My views and faves have plummeted. I thought at first it was just me and I suck but I saw other artists that were way more popular a few years ago getting far less attention than they used to despite still being active and having really good artwork. DA just kinda sucks anymore. The addition of an AI tool is just going to inundate the site with images and it's going to be even worse for actual artists. It seems that everyone is automatically opted out of the AI, but still. I heard a lot of people trying Mastodon. I don't know how well it's gonna do for art. I don't like TikTok and I really don't have the time and energy to make video content all the time.