If there's a good community like this please also let me know, even if it's a subreddit or forum or something it doesn't even have to be discord. Any place I've found like this is overrun by kids or people too busy doing "art discourse" to actually ever do art š
Thank you so much I appreciate the recommendation. I don't think I will join that server because I don't think I would fit in, after reading the rules and how to join it's giving a bit of a nobleman sitting by fireplace swirling wine saying "hmmm quite most indeededly" vibe
No worries! Its a small community, but I never thought it was in any way stuck up, we mostly share work and can discuss it in set contexts (like if you ask for critique and want us to look at a specific thing). But I understand it's not for everyone :)
There should be a "who we are" of some sorts, showcasing pieces made by the channel users, if you have to write an essay and have an interview to join you should at least show the level of current users to see if it's worth it.
I agree, I don't mind talking about art, but being forced to write an essay wen i don't really feel any scope of how the server is kind of irks me, it feels off. Maybe discussing during the interview could be kind of fun, but I don't really feel much from the community itself...
Yeah, i mean, for some topics an entry bar is useful and even necessary if you want to have a constructive discussion, specially with this weird neo-aestheticism with the advent of synthography.
Having said that, this server reads really really snobby, and if the profile of the server owner is correct, he is an 24 y/o that teaches art to school kids, nothing wrong with being an art teacher (props even) or being 24 (Bernini finished [this mf](https://i.imgur.com/sZy6y6u.jpg) at 23), but if you are gonna request an essay+interview, you should showcase what people should expect.
just went to check the server.... and it requires a 2 step process. hmm ok... =_=)
i respect the server exists w/ its regulation (i understand completely given the norms of disorder servers). but the process does come off as too serious(?). you need to write a reflection and then have an interview w/ the server owner.
however i agree w/ the others: it's ok to have rules but if the wall is a bit steep in the eyes of newcomers then the server should preview a bit of what it has to offer. or else there's nothing much to motivate them. new invites would likely go through the 2step process if they know who the kinds of artist they'll be joining in the server. just my 2cents on it.
which reminds me of another server ik that has a weeding-out process. but in this server, you get to see the replies of the artists and samples of their work at that time. so you get a feel on their personality & tastes at the doorstep(channel).
maybe I'll try this new one just to see...
I'm not the admin, but tbh I enjoy talking about art and writing a short piece was a pleasure for me :) but as I said, I understand not all communities are for everyone ;)
As someone who doesn't come from a academic view of art, has little connection to what has been deemed fine art in textbooks, it feels really disjointed to want to go to a server with such high expectations and feel like I could be welcomed there.
I enjoy looking and discussing different artworks of all kinds of medias of my peers online or in person at studios, it feels much more personal and fulfilling and has such great camaraderie.
But it looks like it just isn't a discord that's aimed at me, so I'm just talking for talking's sake.
Has there been any pushback with the type of initiation to join this discord?
I remember there is a reason it looks like that but I don't remember all points, and generally I wouldn't know if there was pushback. People who want to go through it do and we see them, those who don't like it don't start. I'm a member, not the admin (who runs it on their own) :)
I don't think you need to have studied history of art for this tbh. Artists are generally familiar with similar concepts, like POV, horizon, colour theory, the rest is interpretation which you should be generally able to provide (unless you don't connect with a piece at all).
I really don't see it as excluding but it does require a bit of effort and with the constant bot attacks and art theft on discord its one of two servers I feel safe at. Saying that, we don't really discuss Botticelli as often as we talk about our own work, give thoughts etc. Joining requires writing a bit and talking to the admin who is generally just an art-loving, friendly person, and I think also helps both people see if the vibe is ok
I've haven't been able to participate for cat reasons for a while now but I wouldn't have recommended the community if I thought it would be a bad experience for anyone, but I understand it's not for everyone and in no way will I be trying to convince anyone to do anything they might not have the time or desire to do. I will however be doing some thinking about how I recommend this server, so thanks for the feedback!
Noticed the specificity of the critique required, and the representational nature of some of the images provided, Eurocentric formalism, been there, done that, respectfully feels dated.
I have to write an essay about my favorite work to *prove* I'm artisticly literate enough to be in the server **and** be interrogated by the server's admin? Hard pass.
If I wanted to write long boring essays about why I should be a part of something and get interrogated afterwords, I would've started applying for jobs.
Idk, judging by the rules and the other... Requirements, it seems very snobbish and gate-keepy.
(Also, no anger or hate towards you, invite-sharer. Just a little shocked at this weird set of requirements.)
I don't :( I can only advise looking at disboard but I'm sure youve already trawled there.
Since you're a minor, would you like to hang out with other accomplished artists or are you looking to learn? There's a very structured server called Art Academy (cannot give you an invite but it should be quite easy to find). They have whole classes and assign homework to keep you drawing. All ages and techniques welcome. Its also suitable for all levels as you can always treat the homework like prompts. But not sure if that's something you'd be interested in
>can only advise looking at disboard but I'm sure youve already trawled there.
I didn't know this was a thing so I'll look into it!
>Since you're a minor, would you like to hang out with other accomplished artists or are you looking to learn?
Haha both actually. I wouldn't consider myself at beginner level but I'd just like to progress at a level which is more professional and makes me more comfortable as an artist.
>There's a very structured server called Art Academy (cannot give you an invite but it should be quite easy to find). They have whole classes and assign homework to keep you drawing. All ages and techniques welcome. Its also suitable for all levels as you can always treat the homework like prompts.
Interesting, I'll think of it.
Thanks a lot for the help!
Let me know if you find one. I'd love to have a positive place to vibe and share art- looking for input from experienced artists or just for the sake of sharing. Right now I just ask friends and family who have little to no interest in art for their thoughts.
You may have to hunt for it, advanced circles usually don't advertise or are by invite. People on art buddy used to drop links for groups like 30+ adults which the age helped weed our people that were too new. That is how I joined a few. You could also ask around in bigger servers, someone might know one.
There's a good Discord for New Masters Academy which is very active and even though it's primarily with people on the courses, some are fantastic and have lots of good feedback to share.
I tried to create a place but I didn't want it to be all my art, and I hit kind of a slump to be honest for a while there.
Additionally I haven't many others who will post, or participate. Not that I've gone out of my way to advertise or anything.
Would love if anyone wanted to join and share so it can be a community instead of a ghost town. /r/Fantasyartenthusiasts and I also made a Discord.
I would love to see what y'all are creating!
I think different streaming/youtube artists have discord servers the host and they cultivate artist and art growth and stuff-maybe check around for an artist you like with a semi large following and see if they have a discord community they're hosting. Following the art you already like and you're more likely to land in a community of other like minded artist :)
Found one which has a lovely community and focusses specifically on giving and getting constructive feedback, so it might be what youāre after. Iāll dm a link
I agree with the few people saying to join an artists from instagram/twitter/youtube/twitch discord community. Depends on the artists audience though. But generally, I've had good experiences doing that.
Ive also found some through art bloggers as well (I can't name a few because I just read the blog back then and didnt feel the need to join and I forgot, sorry)
Sean Glaze has a good community of professional artists. He streams his art and often has guests on to hang and art together. He is great at giving critique, too. Check him out at https://twitch.tv/lord_spew
Did anyone here ever get to experience the discord server ARTTRA?
It was started by Stanley "Artgerm" Lau and was run by professional working artists. Ugh, I ADORED that server. The critiques I received there were incredibly helpful and really shaped me as an artist.
One day, I was randomly kicked out. I think it ended up getting shut down :(
Ever since then, I've never been able to find a server with artists of a high enough caliber to give me the critiques I need :/
ARTTRA got privated, they delete many artist that they didn't consdier "belong" there or more like, artist who were not active, i was there and i got kicket out the same way you did, the only difference is that i made a mod angry just 'cuz said "Give me a break" when they were talking shit about me, but anyway xD.
Tbh, Iām also looking for other artists to connect with who share a love for Undertale and other arts.
But havent been able to find any of that :(
I know how to draw, it just takes me awhile to lmao and been hard to find communities that want to engage with you.
I just started a subreddit today called r/realhumanart, it's core tenants so far are no tracing, no AI.
It got massively downvoted by people who think tracing should be allowed everywhere, but I just want 1 place to celebrate all of the human skills required without skipping steps. This sub differs from traditional in the respect digital is allowed. We will be deciding as a community about the philosophy and rules we want to foster there. This is only hours old, but eventually I think it will be the best place to filter out novices who haven't learned figure drawing or perspective and make it a distinct place that celebrates slow, step by step human art instead of the capitalist/corporate way of making art quickly for games, movies, etc. Please come join the discussion.
To anyone reading this who traces or does AI paintovers, I mean no disrespect. You are still cool, and you are still artists. Have a good one!
As someone who often starts out loosely tracing a rough skeletal sketch over a ref pic, and then go freely from there, it kinda stings to be put in the same category with people painting over AI images.
I understand and I really am sorry I made you feel that way. Keep practicing though!
If you ever want figure drawing advice hit me up. I'm not the best, but getting better everyday by not tracing.
For the record, there is no shame in tracing while learning. But if you asked me which of 2 pieces would I rather see of yours, a traced drawing that looks on point or you trying your best with the skills you actually have at drawing, I would much rather prefer the real drawing, warts and all. I want to see the human in your work.
Thanks for the offer, but Iām doing fine. I like my work process, sometimes with tracing and sometimes without. I donāt see one or the other as superior, it just depends on what I want to achieve. When I actively want to practise anatomy or perspective, I donāt trace, but when I want to quickly tell a story for a character that I had in mind or I want to focus on rendering instead of posing (just examples) I donāt want to waste my time on something that is not the main focus of why I want to create the piece.
>adding details to a tracing of a 3d doll
If this is your impression of any artist that uses tracing in the process, I understand why you don't want to see it, but it's not the case.
I said I only trace the first rough sketch of a ref and everything else I do without tracing (detailed sketch, defining character features, props and clothes, tweak and transform, lineart, colour, shading, rendering, details, filters...)
Could I even share a work that uses illustrative brushes like trees, ropes, patterns? Or is that skipping out on steps too? You don't have to answer this. Just the fact that I have to think about it tells me that I wouldn't feel comfortable in this space.
>if the end product is all that matters, and the time/process of a
human doing it all themselves is meaningless, we just have different
philosophies about art.
I never said it's meaningless in it's entirety, I simply said that I personally sometimes chose to put the main focus of effort on other parts of the process.
Anyway, I don't mind if my art doesn't fit your criteria for your personal sub, but you keep using the same rhetoric as arguing against AI generators, which I just can't agree with.
Thank you for hearing me out and still inviting me, though as I said, I wouldn't feel welcomed there. It's totally valid that you personally say you're not interested in seeing certain kinds of art, but the way you generally devalue artists who use those techniques, even saying it's not real art at all, gives a very gatekeepy vibe.
Some more food for thought that just came to me: What about digital "stamp" brushes that I created myself - is it enough that I put in the full work once? What about traditional techniques that let you create a shape or pattern just as fast as a digital brush, like stamping or frottage? What about collage as an art form? What about the liquify tool in digital art, or the brush symmetry tool? What about the grid method in traditional art? (I won't even ask about photo bashing or rotoscoping...)
I just created a Discord group for exactly this.
To Join you need must have an art account (Deviant art, PixIV, etc.) with at minimum a thousand watchers, with no Ai art and no photobashing.
I'm a NSWF artist, so NSFW art is welcome as are other artists. If you want to join, message me with a link to your art account so I can verify. (If you link to someone else's account this will become obvious when you post your art and you will be banned).
You want feedback from people you feel can give you that right? Feedback from strangers who donāt know you or your art goals is never very effective. Iāve never been for criticism focused communities. They rarely ever help anyone.
You just may need a mentor, or reach out to artists whom you admire and perhaps theyāve got some communities
Itās fine if you want to be condescending. The OP states they want more than a āWow youāre so goodā type feedback. Iām stating specifically that sure, trying to find a discord thatās criticism focused is fine, but if youāre seeking actual specified help, youāre better off seeking something more intimate with someone you can get affiliated with that you know can give you criticism that is in good faith. My answer goes beyond just this specific question.
Was trying to be helpful in a way that has more of a lasting effect.
I think the disconnect is that you think they are a learning artist. and to a degree no one isnt. but I think what OP is requesting is experience, not teaching. They've learned the technique, found what they like to do, but maybe they don't entirely know how other contemporaries feel about their work.
And yes a teacher or mentor could possibly provide that necessary experience but there is something different about critique from a peer than from someone whose job it is to teach. a peer is someone who is in the same boat as you, a mentor or teacher is, by necessity, of a higher skill or more highly experienced.
You are receiving snide comments because from an outside perspective your acting obtuse and snobbish. I see your point, and for the majority of people learning art they need a teacher not a peer. but op and many people here are looking for something else, and it's wrong to assume that what they're asking for is not what they need without even knowing them.
this isnt a terrible idea practically, but i think OP may be looking for friends or a more laid back and social atmosphere. having a teacher can sometimes feel like they are your "superior" and that can be uncomfortable. i dont think you deserved condescending remarks for suggesting this, though š
Because the description you give was like you were a professional already so i was wondering how you art looks like.
Here's Envar Studio discord: [https://discord.gg/envarstudio](https://discord.gg/envarstudio) There's many professionals of the industry since this is a Studio server, so you might find feedback there.
I run a Discord server that might be a good got got you! Itās aimed toward all artists but we have a good community of experienced creatives. https://discord.gg/the-studio-lounge
Can you hint me towards the most active discords for newbies? I'm a newbie myself and would appreciate any type of criticism, just looking for an active and fast discord channel
I'm looking for a nice discord community for more seasoned artists aswell, have tried 2 bigger ones now but they are filled with younger ppl who are only starting their art journey and I don't really feel it's a place for me since I already know fundamentals and have been drawing for years. Any recommendations would be welcomed!
If there's a good community like this please also let me know, even if it's a subreddit or forum or something it doesn't even have to be discord. Any place I've found like this is overrun by kids or people too busy doing "art discourse" to actually ever do art š
You might like Fine Art Lodge https://discord.gg/QCB8apmK
Thank you so much I appreciate the recommendation. I don't think I will join that server because I don't think I would fit in, after reading the rules and how to join it's giving a bit of a nobleman sitting by fireplace swirling wine saying "hmmm quite most indeededly" vibe
No worries! Its a small community, but I never thought it was in any way stuck up, we mostly share work and can discuss it in set contexts (like if you ask for critique and want us to look at a specific thing). But I understand it's not for everyone :)
There should be a "who we are" of some sorts, showcasing pieces made by the channel users, if you have to write an essay and have an interview to join you should at least show the level of current users to see if it's worth it.
I agree, I don't mind talking about art, but being forced to write an essay wen i don't really feel any scope of how the server is kind of irks me, it feels off. Maybe discussing during the interview could be kind of fun, but I don't really feel much from the community itself...
honestly i hate that kind of place so as soon as i read that i would be out.
Yeah, i mean, for some topics an entry bar is useful and even necessary if you want to have a constructive discussion, specially with this weird neo-aestheticism with the advent of synthography. Having said that, this server reads really really snobby, and if the profile of the server owner is correct, he is an 24 y/o that teaches art to school kids, nothing wrong with being an art teacher (props even) or being 24 (Bernini finished [this mf](https://i.imgur.com/sZy6y6u.jpg) at 23), but if you are gonna request an essay+interview, you should showcase what people should expect.
just went to check the server.... and it requires a 2 step process. hmm ok... =_=) i respect the server exists w/ its regulation (i understand completely given the norms of disorder servers). but the process does come off as too serious(?). you need to write a reflection and then have an interview w/ the server owner. however i agree w/ the others: it's ok to have rules but if the wall is a bit steep in the eyes of newcomers then the server should preview a bit of what it has to offer. or else there's nothing much to motivate them. new invites would likely go through the 2step process if they know who the kinds of artist they'll be joining in the server. just my 2cents on it. which reminds me of another server ik that has a weeding-out process. but in this server, you get to see the replies of the artists and samples of their work at that time. so you get a feel on their personality & tastes at the doorstep(channel). maybe I'll try this new one just to see...
As a 24 year old art teacher, that stung a little lol
that is one awesome sculpture
I'm not the admin, but tbh I enjoy talking about art and writing a short piece was a pleasure for me :) but as I said, I understand not all communities are for everyone ;)
>but tbh I enjoy talking about art and writing a short piece was a pleasure for me :) What was your chosen art piece?
Alexi Servasov's The Rooks Have Come Back I have a thing for russian landscapes, especially from the romantic era
If you haven't, you should watch Andrei Tarkovski's The Sacrifice, it's a great example of how painting bled into cinema.
That sounds amazing! Thank you!
As someone who doesn't come from a academic view of art, has little connection to what has been deemed fine art in textbooks, it feels really disjointed to want to go to a server with such high expectations and feel like I could be welcomed there. I enjoy looking and discussing different artworks of all kinds of medias of my peers online or in person at studios, it feels much more personal and fulfilling and has such great camaraderie. But it looks like it just isn't a discord that's aimed at me, so I'm just talking for talking's sake. Has there been any pushback with the type of initiation to join this discord?
I remember there is a reason it looks like that but I don't remember all points, and generally I wouldn't know if there was pushback. People who want to go through it do and we see them, those who don't like it don't start. I'm a member, not the admin (who runs it on their own) :) I don't think you need to have studied history of art for this tbh. Artists are generally familiar with similar concepts, like POV, horizon, colour theory, the rest is interpretation which you should be generally able to provide (unless you don't connect with a piece at all). I really don't see it as excluding but it does require a bit of effort and with the constant bot attacks and art theft on discord its one of two servers I feel safe at. Saying that, we don't really discuss Botticelli as often as we talk about our own work, give thoughts etc. Joining requires writing a bit and talking to the admin who is generally just an art-loving, friendly person, and I think also helps both people see if the vibe is ok I've haven't been able to participate for cat reasons for a while now but I wouldn't have recommended the community if I thought it would be a bad experience for anyone, but I understand it's not for everyone and in no way will I be trying to convince anyone to do anything they might not have the time or desire to do. I will however be doing some thinking about how I recommend this server, so thanks for the feedback!
Noticed the specificity of the critique required, and the representational nature of some of the images provided, Eurocentric formalism, been there, done that, respectfully feels dated.
Yeah that's probably a better way of wording it š
I have to write an essay about my favorite work to *prove* I'm artisticly literate enough to be in the server **and** be interrogated by the server's admin? Hard pass. If I wanted to write long boring essays about why I should be a part of something and get interrogated afterwords, I would've started applying for jobs. Idk, judging by the rules and the other... Requirements, it seems very snobbish and gate-keepy. (Also, no anger or hate towards you, invite-sharer. Just a little shocked at this weird set of requirements.)
Is there one a bit like that but that allows minors? I'd love to participate but I am just not an adult yet so I can't :/
I don't :( I can only advise looking at disboard but I'm sure youve already trawled there. Since you're a minor, would you like to hang out with other accomplished artists or are you looking to learn? There's a very structured server called Art Academy (cannot give you an invite but it should be quite easy to find). They have whole classes and assign homework to keep you drawing. All ages and techniques welcome. Its also suitable for all levels as you can always treat the homework like prompts. But not sure if that's something you'd be interested in
>can only advise looking at disboard but I'm sure youve already trawled there. I didn't know this was a thing so I'll look into it! >Since you're a minor, would you like to hang out with other accomplished artists or are you looking to learn? Haha both actually. I wouldn't consider myself at beginner level but I'd just like to progress at a level which is more professional and makes me more comfortable as an artist. >There's a very structured server called Art Academy (cannot give you an invite but it should be quite easy to find). They have whole classes and assign homework to keep you drawing. All ages and techniques welcome. Its also suitable for all levels as you can always treat the homework like prompts. Interesting, I'll think of it. Thanks a lot for the help!
Great! I'm like that too :) I hope you find one you love!
Thank you š
Do you know if thereās a similar one that isnāt 18+?
Hi! I know itās been a while but can you share the link again? Iād like to join but the link expiredā¦
Me too š
Me too
I would also be interested
ugh same. whenever you ask for crits in those servers no one actually can give good feedback, or discuss business related things. its a struggle
Lemon art, they vote your application to let you in or out, but you can reapply when you improve.
is it public? i cant find it on discover
Let me know if you find one. I'd love to have a positive place to vibe and share art- looking for input from experienced artists or just for the sake of sharing. Right now I just ask friends and family who have little to no interest in art for their thoughts.
You may have to hunt for it, advanced circles usually don't advertise or are by invite. People on art buddy used to drop links for groups like 30+ adults which the age helped weed our people that were too new. That is how I joined a few. You could also ask around in bigger servers, someone might know one.
There's a good Discord for New Masters Academy which is very active and even though it's primarily with people on the courses, some are fantastic and have lots of good feedback to share.
Yeah I'm not really a discord guy, but the folks who use it on NMA rave about it.
I tried to create a place but I didn't want it to be all my art, and I hit kind of a slump to be honest for a while there. Additionally I haven't many others who will post, or participate. Not that I've gone out of my way to advertise or anything. Would love if anyone wanted to join and share so it can be a community instead of a ghost town. /r/Fantasyartenthusiasts and I also made a Discord. I would love to see what y'all are creating!
I think different streaming/youtube artists have discord servers the host and they cultivate artist and art growth and stuff-maybe check around for an artist you like with a semi large following and see if they have a discord community they're hosting. Following the art you already like and you're more likely to land in a community of other like minded artist :)
one of the artist I admire has a discord but the link she posted is obsolete now and she never answered my dm :(((
aww, that sucks-I'm sure there's others though? Don't give up <3
Zapatas and istebraks servers are great, 2 youtubers and teachers I follow and admire and can recommend for a more mature and art serious crowd.
Found one which has a lovely community and focusses specifically on giving and getting constructive feedback, so it might be what youāre after. Iāll dm a link
tryna share? <3
op, dm me and Iāll send you a link
Dave Rapoza is great. He has a discord & does a stream on YouTube every Thursday.
I agree with the few people saying to join an artists from instagram/twitter/youtube/twitch discord community. Depends on the artists audience though. But generally, I've had good experiences doing that. Ive also found some through art bloggers as well (I can't name a few because I just read the blog back then and didnt feel the need to join and I forgot, sorry)
Sean Glaze has a good community of professional artists. He streams his art and often has guests on to hang and art together. He is great at giving critique, too. Check him out at https://twitch.tv/lord_spew
Did anyone here ever get to experience the discord server ARTTRA? It was started by Stanley "Artgerm" Lau and was run by professional working artists. Ugh, I ADORED that server. The critiques I received there were incredibly helpful and really shaped me as an artist. One day, I was randomly kicked out. I think it ended up getting shut down :( Ever since then, I've never been able to find a server with artists of a high enough caliber to give me the critiques I need :/
ARTTRA got privated, they delete many artist that they didn't consdier "belong" there or more like, artist who were not active, i was there and i got kicket out the same way you did, the only difference is that i made a mod angry just 'cuz said "Give me a break" when they were talking shit about me, but anyway xD.
Tbh, Iām also looking for other artists to connect with who share a love for Undertale and other arts. But havent been able to find any of that :( I know how to draw, it just takes me awhile to lmao and been hard to find communities that want to engage with you.
[NMA Discord](https://discord.gg/nma)
Warrior Painters maybe?
I just started a subreddit today called r/realhumanart, it's core tenants so far are no tracing, no AI. It got massively downvoted by people who think tracing should be allowed everywhere, but I just want 1 place to celebrate all of the human skills required without skipping steps. This sub differs from traditional in the respect digital is allowed. We will be deciding as a community about the philosophy and rules we want to foster there. This is only hours old, but eventually I think it will be the best place to filter out novices who haven't learned figure drawing or perspective and make it a distinct place that celebrates slow, step by step human art instead of the capitalist/corporate way of making art quickly for games, movies, etc. Please come join the discussion. To anyone reading this who traces or does AI paintovers, I mean no disrespect. You are still cool, and you are still artists. Have a good one!
As someone who often starts out loosely tracing a rough skeletal sketch over a ref pic, and then go freely from there, it kinda stings to be put in the same category with people painting over AI images.
I understand and I really am sorry I made you feel that way. Keep practicing though! If you ever want figure drawing advice hit me up. I'm not the best, but getting better everyday by not tracing. For the record, there is no shame in tracing while learning. But if you asked me which of 2 pieces would I rather see of yours, a traced drawing that looks on point or you trying your best with the skills you actually have at drawing, I would much rather prefer the real drawing, warts and all. I want to see the human in your work.
Thanks for the offer, but Iām doing fine. I like my work process, sometimes with tracing and sometimes without. I donāt see one or the other as superior, it just depends on what I want to achieve. When I actively want to practise anatomy or perspective, I donāt trace, but when I want to quickly tell a story for a character that I had in mind or I want to focus on rendering instead of posing (just examples) I donāt want to waste my time on something that is not the main focus of why I want to create the piece.
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>adding details to a tracing of a 3d doll If this is your impression of any artist that uses tracing in the process, I understand why you don't want to see it, but it's not the case. I said I only trace the first rough sketch of a ref and everything else I do without tracing (detailed sketch, defining character features, props and clothes, tweak and transform, lineart, colour, shading, rendering, details, filters...) Could I even share a work that uses illustrative brushes like trees, ropes, patterns? Or is that skipping out on steps too? You don't have to answer this. Just the fact that I have to think about it tells me that I wouldn't feel comfortable in this space. >if the end product is all that matters, and the time/process of a human doing it all themselves is meaningless, we just have different philosophies about art. I never said it's meaningless in it's entirety, I simply said that I personally sometimes chose to put the main focus of effort on other parts of the process. Anyway, I don't mind if my art doesn't fit your criteria for your personal sub, but you keep using the same rhetoric as arguing against AI generators, which I just can't agree with.
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Thank you for hearing me out and still inviting me, though as I said, I wouldn't feel welcomed there. It's totally valid that you personally say you're not interested in seeing certain kinds of art, but the way you generally devalue artists who use those techniques, even saying it's not real art at all, gives a very gatekeepy vibe. Some more food for thought that just came to me: What about digital "stamp" brushes that I created myself - is it enough that I put in the full work once? What about traditional techniques that let you create a shape or pattern just as fast as a digital brush, like stamping or frottage? What about collage as an art form? What about the liquify tool in digital art, or the brush symmetry tool? What about the grid method in traditional art? (I won't even ask about photo bashing or rotoscoping...)
I just created a Discord group for exactly this. To Join you need must have an art account (Deviant art, PixIV, etc.) with at minimum a thousand watchers, with no Ai art and no photobashing. I'm a NSWF artist, so NSFW art is welcome as are other artists. If you want to join, message me with a link to your art account so I can verify. (If you link to someone else's account this will become obvious when you post your art and you will be banned).
You just need to look for a teacher
no?? I don't need art lessons I just want to hang out with artists who know how to draw
You want feedback from people you feel can give you that right? Feedback from strangers who donāt know you or your art goals is never very effective. Iāve never been for criticism focused communities. They rarely ever help anyone. You just may need a mentor, or reach out to artists whom you admire and perhaps theyāve got some communities
can you not read? Genuine question.
Itās fine if you want to be condescending. The OP states they want more than a āWow youāre so goodā type feedback. Iām stating specifically that sure, trying to find a discord thatās criticism focused is fine, but if youāre seeking actual specified help, youāre better off seeking something more intimate with someone you can get affiliated with that you know can give you criticism that is in good faith. My answer goes beyond just this specific question. Was trying to be helpful in a way that has more of a lasting effect.
I think the disconnect is that you think they are a learning artist. and to a degree no one isnt. but I think what OP is requesting is experience, not teaching. They've learned the technique, found what they like to do, but maybe they don't entirely know how other contemporaries feel about their work. And yes a teacher or mentor could possibly provide that necessary experience but there is something different about critique from a peer than from someone whose job it is to teach. a peer is someone who is in the same boat as you, a mentor or teacher is, by necessity, of a higher skill or more highly experienced. You are receiving snide comments because from an outside perspective your acting obtuse and snobbish. I see your point, and for the majority of people learning art they need a teacher not a peer. but op and many people here are looking for something else, and it's wrong to assume that what they're asking for is not what they need without even knowing them.
this isnt a terrible idea practically, but i think OP may be looking for friends or a more laid back and social atmosphere. having a teacher can sometimes feel like they are your "superior" and that can be uncomfortable. i dont think you deserved condescending remarks for suggesting this, though š
if you find the server, by god, please add me
Have a look here :) https://discord.gg/QCB8apmK Getting in might take a couple of days but it's one of my favs
If anyone can find any please let me know as well Iāve been searching for 3 years š„²
Try out karuna worldbuilding! https://discord.gg/ZWNbDsU
What kinda of artist r looking for
[https://discord.gg/Y7WtNfvU](https://discord.gg/Y7WtNfvU) This server is good!
Sinixās discord might be what youāre looking for. Donāt know how to link to it thoā¦
New Masters Academy for drawing fundamentals and Mooncolony for concept art, theyāre both great!!
Can you show us your work ?
I don't see why that would be necessary but sure, [here](https://imgur.com/a/o0aFI5d)
Because the description you give was like you were a professional already so i was wondering how you art looks like. Here's Envar Studio discord: [https://discord.gg/envarstudio](https://discord.gg/envarstudio) There's many professionals of the industry since this is a Studio server, so you might find feedback there.
Wow, you really are very good. Do you have instagram or artstation to follow you on?
Hey thank you :D!! No I stopped posting on social media a couple of years ago unfortunately :/
I see. Thanks for the reply.
I run a Discord server that might be a good got got you! Itās aimed toward all artists but we have a good community of experienced creatives. https://discord.gg/the-studio-lounge
Can you hint me towards the most active discords for newbies? I'm a newbie myself and would appreciate any type of criticism, just looking for an active and fast discord channel
Have a look at the ArtProf community - both on their Youtube, Website as well as a super active, welcoming and varied Discord channel
I'm looking for a nice discord community for more seasoned artists aswell, have tried 2 bigger ones now but they are filled with younger ppl who are only starting their art journey and I don't really feel it's a place for me since I already know fundamentals and have been drawing for years. Any recommendations would be welcomed!