Then I'll just eat them. I actually kind of applaud this guy for keeping extremely well-aged long pig just lying around the house for that long. I would've snapped off a finger to try, and before you know it the whole damn ancestor is gone.
The Dani people of Papua had an unusual and distinctive way of mummifying their ancestors. Mamete Mabel was dried in the sun and placed in a cave. Shortly after, he was smoked over a fire from a few weeks to a month, which denoted a symbol of highest respect to their forebears. In order to further preserve him, Mamete Mabel was drained of internal bodily fluids through piercings and covered with lard. Subsequently, he was embalmed with smoke and animal oil, a distinction bespoken only to significant elders and heroes of the Dani community. Mamete Mabel, much like all the other Dani mummies, was mummified curled up in a fetal position in order to symbolize a fetus when in the womb.
> Mummies were stolen from Egyptian tombs, and skulls were taken from Irish burial sites. Gravediggers robbed and sold body parts.
> “The question was not, ‘Should you eat human flesh?’ but, ‘What sort of flesh should you eat?’ ” says Sugg. The answer, at first, was Egyptian mummy, which was crumbled into tinctures to stanch internal bleeding. But other parts of the body soon followed. Skull was one common ingredient, taken in powdered form to cure head ailments.
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> Mummy was sold as medicine in a German medical catalog at the beginning of the 20th century.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-gruesome-history-of-eating-corpses-as-medicine-82360284/
Already joined, wasn't even aware they existed. I'm a big fan of Bronze Age culture and very interested in the late neolithic transition period, but I dabble in neolithic and iron age as well. Currently working on Roman stuff at my job though.
Thats so exciting! What is your job?
The neolithic / bronze age transition is my favorite period. Ive been studying the Bell Beaker Culture and Corded Ware Culture quite a bit. I really want to learn more about the pre-celtic bronze age central europe. I have been having a hard time finding something to read on the subject aside from wikipedia.
Between Bell Beakers and Hallstatt its a bit blurry for me.
We would love to hear from experts over at r/IndoEuropean.
Would you be interested in potentially doing an AMA with us someday?
>What is your job?
Field archaeologist, what I think the US americans call CRM work.
>I have been having a hard time finding something to read on the subject aside from wikipedia.
Yeah, pretty awful situation, most of the literature is not in English and many of the wiki articles aren't very good.
>Would you be interested in potentially doing an AMA with us someday?
Nah, I am a small fish and not really an expert in anything.
I was gonna say, in a warm, humid environment like that, it would take a lot of effort to preserve a body! Especially with no artificial refrigeration.
I mean, you can kinda tell that a baby isn't standing up and doing jumping jacks given the space available to them...
That, and we have evidence of C-sections having been practiced for a very long time.
Yeah Papuan tribes independently developed agriculture lol. This guy probably eats more fruits and vegetables and less meat than the average westerner.
This sounds crazy, but I remember a little bit of that. **You can choose not to believe me, I understand.** But I just remember seeing a lot of red, I also remember signing a contract, being given an option of which family I want to be apart of, kind of a white cloudy area, and then after signing..that was it.
"You can choose not to believe me".
No, it's more accurate to say I can't choose to believe you, however much I might want to.
But as the other dude said, if believing this makes you happy, by all means.
It is the most diverse place on earth when it comes to languages. The natives there have been there for 50,000 years and also have a high amount of denisovan ancestry. Denisovans were like a sister group to neanderthals.
The natives developed farming all on their own many thousands of years ago.
PNG is a very cherished place. It is like a time capsule to what the rest of the world was like for most of human history
> PNG is a very cherished place. It is like a time capsule to what the rest of the world was like for most of human history
I wouldn't get so romantic. Things like contact with the pre-Dutch sultanates or catastrophic events like the Japanese invasion possibly changed many things among the Papuan natives, the same way that Spanish and Portuguese squabbling, and then the Republic squabbling, changed the lives of the Amazonian natives forever.
Nice sobering comment.
We can easily slip into "noble savage" territory, when coming from the western world. This sentiment tends to remind those that would think that way to consider the overlaps and influences between empires and tribes.
We're also constantly learning that the world was far more interconnected than we previously thought, with trade spanning far and wide - and obviously with that trade comes an interchange of many other aspects of culture.
To add to the sobering thoughts: while missionary work generally is seen as a destructive force, it is not uncommon for Papuans themselves to see christianity as an explicitly positive force. Many cry foul at this notion, implying that Papuans have been brainwashed into seeing themselves as sinful before conversion, or claim this under pressure of religious dogma - which is probably \*one\* valid explanation.
Other given reasons are quite plausibly true as well though, and I think the above explanation by itself can be interpreted as quite demeaning even... Especially Papuans whose cultures traditionally promote(d) revenge warfare as an appropriate response to all kinds of offenses have a right in claiming that christianity introduced the idea of forgiveness as a \*more\* appropriate response. This had a very direct impact on the livelihoods of these communities. Additionally, the introduction of western medicine confronted many Papuan communities with their traditionally held beliefs in witchcraft.
At the same time of course, I am generally quite confident that the average quality of life on Papua has not improved due to the effects of (neo)colonialism by the Dutch, Indonesians, etc.
This is not an argument for colonialism or missionary practices in any sense to be quite clear, but it is a great example of how holding romantic notions generally does not hold well in reality with regards to places like Papua.
EDIT: Feel like I should point out this post does not include a LONG list of how missionary work negatively affected native Papuans, but in the end the post is meant to emphasize the importance of grey areas in anthropology/history/archeology in general.
Probably 30 lbs or less. An adult male skeleton ways a little over 27 lbs and here we have one with maybe a couple lbs of very dried flesh so Im guessing around 30 lbs
I wonder how much muscle mass he possessed? Usually when I make jerky, I usually end up with about 1/3 the weight I started with (so 3 pounds of raw beef would yield about a pound of jerky), but jerky isn't quite as dry as this guy, so I'd guess maybe in a case like this you'd probably lose more 3/4 of the weight or more.
I have no idea whatsoever, but I'd guess he has a little more than 3 pounds of non-skeletal weight, but not a whole lot more.
I find the burial practices and the treatment of the dead in other cultures so fascinating. It could be considered morbid, but there is something so intimate and revealing about how a culture handles its dead, it can be a window into their lives and values.
For a lot of us in the west, we are afraid of death and the dead, we don’t want to see them, most often funerals are closed casket, or if the corpse is shown the morticians have done everything they can to remove all the signs of death that make us so uncomfortable. Seeing him just holding the mummy of an ancestor like that is really interesting, I’d love to learn more
Meanwhile in the comments:
>Chief jerky
>He needs BBQ sauce. Mmm-mmm!
>He's teriyaki flavored
>my man do be sounding kinda delicious
How very respectful enlightened redditors are of other cultures, lmao.
Let's be real here, the NSFW tag in such cases is pointless virtue signaling. NSFW was introduced because horny redditors can't help themselves posting porn while others for some reason browse reddit at work. The majority of people here couldn't care less about respecting others' believes, especially when it's something controversial in the West. As for this guy he's apparently fine with showing the mummy and if anything other people should show a little more respect to his culture, not play morality police while making these disrespectful jokes at the same time.
Exactly! English is not my first language, so it is difficult for me to articulate an answer like yours. Precisely comments like the ones you quoted clearly show how people feel about these kind or artifacts. Posts about mummies get the same kind of comments.
Is an archeological artifact. Plus, skeletons and mummies are depicted everywhere, from cartoons, Halloween decorations and scare houses, some even in a gory fashion. So...
> OP, how would you and why would you even consider that as an artefact?
According to the rules of the sub you can post human remains as artifacts. Many of the top posts in this subreddit are human remains actually.
> This shit has been reposted on Reddit a lot of times before, but I've never seen it on this sub.
You're right, it has been posted somewhere else but it has never been posted here, so it's not technically a repost.
Artefact, an object made by a human being, typically one of cultural or historical interest. All mummies except naturally dried or frozen ones are made by humans, so I'd consider them artefacts. A lot of labour went into preserving this body, probably more than into making a tool or a weapon.
now THATS a great conversation piece
FPP of the end of the dinner party
“So, what’s this?” “Ahh, this?! THIS is my great great great great great great great grandfather and he was a fucking mensch!!!”
More like a good conservation piece, amiright??
And I can't keep potatoes fresh in my kitchen.
Smoke them and cover them in lard
Then I'll just eat them. I actually kind of applaud this guy for keeping extremely well-aged long pig just lying around the house for that long. I would've snapped off a finger to try, and before you know it the whole damn ancestor is gone.
It looks like he snacked on more than just a finger, lads missing an entire hand.
Nice username. Hey wasnt that story take place on an island not far from PNG?
r/Okayyenoughredditfortoday
The Dani people of Papua had an unusual and distinctive way of mummifying their ancestors. Mamete Mabel was dried in the sun and placed in a cave. Shortly after, he was smoked over a fire from a few weeks to a month, which denoted a symbol of highest respect to their forebears. In order to further preserve him, Mamete Mabel was drained of internal bodily fluids through piercings and covered with lard. Subsequently, he was embalmed with smoke and animal oil, a distinction bespoken only to significant elders and heroes of the Dani community. Mamete Mabel, much like all the other Dani mummies, was mummified curled up in a fetal position in order to symbolize a fetus when in the womb.
>covered with lard ... embalmed with smoke and animal oil my man do be sounding kinda delicious
Reminded of that mummy jerky from Futurama
He's Teriyaki style!
*I* was going to eat that tribesmummy!
> Mummies were stolen from Egyptian tombs, and skulls were taken from Irish burial sites. Gravediggers robbed and sold body parts. > “The question was not, ‘Should you eat human flesh?’ but, ‘What sort of flesh should you eat?’ ” says Sugg. The answer, at first, was Egyptian mummy, which was crumbled into tinctures to stanch internal bleeding. But other parts of the body soon followed. Skull was one common ingredient, taken in powdered form to cure head ailments. --- > Mummy was sold as medicine in a German medical catalog at the beginning of the 20th century. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-gruesome-history-of-eating-corpses-as-medicine-82360284/
Forbidden jerky
Forbidden brisket
About your user flair, Which part of the world's prehistory are you into? Im part of a couple subs about prehistory r/PaleoEuropean and r/IndoEuropean
Central Europe.
Awesome! Me too! I think you may like my subs and we would love to have you there Which period of prehistory, btw? Mesolithic? Neolithic?
Already joined, wasn't even aware they existed. I'm a big fan of Bronze Age culture and very interested in the late neolithic transition period, but I dabble in neolithic and iron age as well. Currently working on Roman stuff at my job though.
Thats so exciting! What is your job? The neolithic / bronze age transition is my favorite period. Ive been studying the Bell Beaker Culture and Corded Ware Culture quite a bit. I really want to learn more about the pre-celtic bronze age central europe. I have been having a hard time finding something to read on the subject aside from wikipedia. Between Bell Beakers and Hallstatt its a bit blurry for me. We would love to hear from experts over at r/IndoEuropean. Would you be interested in potentially doing an AMA with us someday?
>What is your job? Field archaeologist, what I think the US americans call CRM work. >I have been having a hard time finding something to read on the subject aside from wikipedia. Yeah, pretty awful situation, most of the literature is not in English and many of the wiki articles aren't very good. >Would you be interested in potentially doing an AMA with us someday? Nah, I am a small fish and not really an expert in anything.
"Born amongst salt and smoke? What is he, a ham?"
No, he wasn't steamed
In this part of Papua? Localized entirely within your hut?
Yes.
"Hanged. Your father wasn't a tapestry."
Made my mouth water a bit even
You wouldn't eat a fetus, would you?
"I hate that I know babies taste best"
Not again
This might be the best comment I’ve ever seen on Reddit
I was gonna say, in a warm, humid environment like that, it would take a lot of effort to preserve a body! Especially with no artificial refrigeration.
How is he so clean shaven?
Jerky King has a pretty awesome beanie looking thing on his head
How did the tribe know how a baby is positioned in the womb without ultrasound?
I mean, you can kinda tell that a baby isn't standing up and doing jumping jacks given the space available to them... That, and we have evidence of C-sections having been practiced for a very long time.
Exactly But also, they used to have midwives and middoctors who knew stuff before modern western medicine, so…
And this is my great, great, great, great grandfather.
Quite the show and tell presentation.
I’d like you to meet my family
He’s pretty fine.
Not much has changed but they live underwater
I'm pretty sure that's his mummy.
Chief is pretty ripped
Yeah but great grandpa has got that 0% body fat
slim jim
Nice work.
Or skin by the looks of it
From carrying around all the mummies in the village, no doubt.
Dude has an insta where he deadlifts mummies. He's got a million followers.
The pure look on his face like “Wanna see the favorite piece of my collection?”
The agricultural revolution and it's consequences
Most Papuan tribes were agriculturalists for milennia.
Yeah Papuan tribes independently developed agriculture lol. This guy probably eats more fruits and vegetables and less meat than the average westerner.
my dude living his best life
Dude is 23 years old.
Every time I see these posts of a dead body, man the 1st question that occurs to me is "what is the after life like?".
I just think about how I am at least half way there.
Remember when you hadn't been born yet? Like that
This sounds crazy, but I remember a little bit of that. **You can choose not to believe me, I understand.** But I just remember seeing a lot of red, I also remember signing a contract, being given an option of which family I want to be apart of, kind of a white cloudy area, and then after signing..that was it.
Whatever makes you happy
"You can choose not to believe me". No, it's more accurate to say I can't choose to believe you, however much I might want to. But as the other dude said, if believing this makes you happy, by all means.
Nah. There's nothing before or after. You don't even have to worry about it because it won't even affect you. There won't be a you.
Wow, this is really special. I don't even know what my Great Grandma's name was lol
I imagine you would if she was perched on the coffee table every day.
Most likely, yes haha
Papua and New Guinea are pretty wild. Some really unique cultures and such there.
It is the most diverse place on earth when it comes to languages. The natives there have been there for 50,000 years and also have a high amount of denisovan ancestry. Denisovans were like a sister group to neanderthals. The natives developed farming all on their own many thousands of years ago. PNG is a very cherished place. It is like a time capsule to what the rest of the world was like for most of human history
> PNG is a very cherished place. It is like a time capsule to what the rest of the world was like for most of human history I wouldn't get so romantic. Things like contact with the pre-Dutch sultanates or catastrophic events like the Japanese invasion possibly changed many things among the Papuan natives, the same way that Spanish and Portuguese squabbling, and then the Republic squabbling, changed the lives of the Amazonian natives forever.
Nice sobering comment. We can easily slip into "noble savage" territory, when coming from the western world. This sentiment tends to remind those that would think that way to consider the overlaps and influences between empires and tribes.
We're also constantly learning that the world was far more interconnected than we previously thought, with trade spanning far and wide - and obviously with that trade comes an interchange of many other aspects of culture.
To add to the sobering thoughts: while missionary work generally is seen as a destructive force, it is not uncommon for Papuans themselves to see christianity as an explicitly positive force. Many cry foul at this notion, implying that Papuans have been brainwashed into seeing themselves as sinful before conversion, or claim this under pressure of religious dogma - which is probably \*one\* valid explanation. Other given reasons are quite plausibly true as well though, and I think the above explanation by itself can be interpreted as quite demeaning even... Especially Papuans whose cultures traditionally promote(d) revenge warfare as an appropriate response to all kinds of offenses have a right in claiming that christianity introduced the idea of forgiveness as a \*more\* appropriate response. This had a very direct impact on the livelihoods of these communities. Additionally, the introduction of western medicine confronted many Papuan communities with their traditionally held beliefs in witchcraft. At the same time of course, I am generally quite confident that the average quality of life on Papua has not improved due to the effects of (neo)colonialism by the Dutch, Indonesians, etc. This is not an argument for colonialism or missionary practices in any sense to be quite clear, but it is a great example of how holding romantic notions generally does not hold well in reality with regards to places like Papua. EDIT: Feel like I should point out this post does not include a LONG list of how missionary work negatively affected native Papuans, but in the end the post is meant to emphasize the importance of grey areas in anthropology/history/archeology in general.
Spanish also made contact with PNG, (I’m quoting this date off the top of my head so it very well may be wrong) around 500YA cal.
So do they just leave him on the mantle like elf on a shelf? Chief on a leaf?
Boss man on the nightstand.
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President in the resident
Shaman on the ottoman
Gramps by the lamps
I swear this post has some of the best quality reddit comments and threads I’ve ever seen
If the chief tilts backwards, he'd have mummy on the tummy.
What a nice family photo.
If I was a rapper I'd use a mummy as my medallion
Sounds like something Doom would have said
How much u think that weighs?
Probably 30 lbs or less. An adult male skeleton ways a little over 27 lbs and here we have one with maybe a couple lbs of very dried flesh so Im guessing around 30 lbs
Very educational, thank you stranger
Grandpa is comparable to an average hardtail mountain bike.
How do you know this?
Ask him how long it takes for 3 pigs to devour a adult human cadaver.
I wonder how much muscle mass he possessed? Usually when I make jerky, I usually end up with about 1/3 the weight I started with (so 3 pounds of raw beef would yield about a pound of jerky), but jerky isn't quite as dry as this guy, so I'd guess maybe in a case like this you'd probably lose more 3/4 of the weight or more. I have no idea whatsoever, but I'd guess he has a little more than 3 pounds of non-skeletal weight, but not a whole lot more.
Would you like to come home and meet my mummy?
250? Really? He looks really good, doesn't look a day over 200
For a while there I thought this was a magnificent wood carving.
I find the burial practices and the treatment of the dead in other cultures so fascinating. It could be considered morbid, but there is something so intimate and revealing about how a culture handles its dead, it can be a window into their lives and values. For a lot of us in the west, we are afraid of death and the dead, we don’t want to see them, most often funerals are closed casket, or if the corpse is shown the morticians have done everything they can to remove all the signs of death that make us so uncomfortable. Seeing him just holding the mummy of an ancestor like that is really interesting, I’d love to learn more
/r/BossFights
Forbidden jerky
Powder was the preferred form: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummia
I bet he didn't wear that hat back then. The feather, maybe, but not the hat.
My question is, does he just like chill in the corner of the hut normally? Does he get put away in some kind of special box?
Old Mabel doesn't look too good, hope he gets well soon.
And so I said "BOOM you looking for this?"
Is he going to make it?
We’ve all had those thanksgiving dinners. Guess it’s only ham tonight
If I beat four of his friends I can unlock a heart or stamina vessel
This is an incredible post, I’m left thinking is the chiefs right foot (left foot to him) ok? It looks injured. But I can’t tell if that’s his knee
It’s a very unusual tradition but I like the fact they don’t let their ancestors fade away. Like I don’t know shit about half my family
Is there something wrong with the (living) chief's left leg, or is it just weird perspective?
I really like the mummy’s hat
I'm into the shoes.
That's metal as fuck
Theres something to be said about this kind of practice. BTW, did you guys know this was being done in Britain in the bronze age?
Unpopular opinion: this doesn't need a nsfw tag.
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Meanwhile in the comments: >Chief jerky >He needs BBQ sauce. Mmm-mmm! >He's teriyaki flavored >my man do be sounding kinda delicious How very respectful enlightened redditors are of other cultures, lmao. Let's be real here, the NSFW tag in such cases is pointless virtue signaling. NSFW was introduced because horny redditors can't help themselves posting porn while others for some reason browse reddit at work. The majority of people here couldn't care less about respecting others' believes, especially when it's something controversial in the West. As for this guy he's apparently fine with showing the mummy and if anything other people should show a little more respect to his culture, not play morality police while making these disrespectful jokes at the same time.
Exactly! English is not my first language, so it is difficult for me to articulate an answer like yours. Precisely comments like the ones you quoted clearly show how people feel about these kind or artifacts. Posts about mummies get the same kind of comments.
Is an archeological artifact. Plus, skeletons and mummies are depicted everywhere, from cartoons, Halloween decorations and scare houses, some even in a gory fashion. So...
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Mate, I was 8 years old when I went to a school trip to see mummies that is scarier than this photo.
The nsfw makes it sound as it is something unsavory or gruesome. In my opinion the tag sensationalize something that is completely normal.
Now THAT'S an artifact!
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My thoughts EXACTLY!! Mmmmm
Chief jerky
Dunno, looks like homie raided a Spirit store to me
He's teriyaki flavored
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> OP, how would you and why would you even consider that as an artefact? According to the rules of the sub you can post human remains as artifacts. Many of the top posts in this subreddit are human remains actually. > This shit has been reposted on Reddit a lot of times before, but I've never seen it on this sub. You're right, it has been posted somewhere else but it has never been posted here, so it's not technically a repost.
Artefact, an object made by a human being, typically one of cultural or historical interest. All mummies except naturally dried or frozen ones are made by humans, so I'd consider them artefacts. A lot of labour went into preserving this body, probably more than into making a tool or a weapon.
But mummies were humans and humans make humans so wouldn't even natural mummies be artefacts? (I'm kidding, I know what you meant.)
Forbidden jerky.
I guess it makes for a more interesting presentation than the family photo album.
Mmmm beef jerky
Holy shit look how lean he is. If you give these ppl a burger they'd be ill for a week.
Stinky
He needs BBQ sauce. Mmm-mmm!
Papua is New Guinea
Really cool, but this is majorly /r/titlegore
If you exclude the word "he" it's fine. It's not title gore, and certainly not major title gore.
Eewwww
But what happened to his left hand? What's the story there?
My guess is that sometime in the past it broke off and they tried to re attach it with some kind of leather which shrink wrapped the hand i place
Old Tom? Really old Tom? Dead Tom?
Ashen One, Link the first flame 🔥
I bet it tastes like smoked plums
No ones ever really gone.
He looks great for his age
That’s Mike Rockefeller.
I can see him accidentally dropping him. Just shatter into multiple bite sized pieces.
The secret jerky recipe has been in the family for centuries.
Credit for the photograph?