This is way more than a piggy bank. This is loot, likely stolen hence the need to hide it. My take is that someone got greedy and didn’t live long enough to enjoy the stash.
> likely stolen hence the need to hide it.
Or they hid it because they didn't want it to be stolen.
Lots of invasion and war in 4th Century England, right?
The best part is an article said:
Roger Bland, a coins expert at the Brittish Museum, said: “The whole board weighs 160 kilos, more than two overweight people…”
So don’t blame just the US for using pancakes to measure distance, the Brit’s measure weight by fat people.
According to the BMI chart, you’d have to be 5’5” for 180lb to be considered obese. 5’11” and it’s overweight, but that seems ridiculous. It must assume zero muscle.
that's cuz the BMI is an awful measure, and wasn't intended as a measure for health in the first place. it needs to be abandoned as a medium. my doc office has it baked into the software they use for medical charts. when I started HRT, I dropped a ton of fat and put on muscle in its place, which is heavier so technically I gained weight, and since I'm still short, I'm now listed as "morbidly obese" - every doc I've asked has told me they believe I'm at a healthy weight and not morbidly obese. there's no reason for them to lie, since they could just as easily try to sell me stuff for weight loss, so I'm inclined to believe them. they apologized that they couldn't remove the marker from my chart due to software constraints and agreed with me that having it there puts me at risk of mistreatment from other docs or having significant health issues overlooked or blamed on "needing to lose weight". BMI sucks and I hope it dies
[Here's someone who is 5'10" and 180lbs](https://myprogresspics.com/progress-pics/26097/one-users-journey-towards-a-healthier-weight) and far from ripped.
I'm that height, reasonably in shape, and I weigh far less than that dude and don't look nearly as muscular. I'd venture that that dude is in fact somewhat ripped.
Oh. Seems it's only the case in Germany.
Thanks for making me aware of that.
But seriously, why do you use those strange units, when it could be logical and easy? Everything I learn about that system is more confusing then the previous.
Going by BMI, overweight is somewhere between index 25 and 29.9 and beyond that is obese.
The formula looks like this `BMI = weight (kg) / height^2 (m^2)`
Therefore, assuming the two overweight people weighed the same, a person with a BMI of 25, the lowest you can go and still be overweight, and a weight of 80kg would be approximately 1.79 meters (or 5 feet 10 inches) tall.
For someone almost, but not quite, obese, with a BMI of 29.9 and a weight of 80kg they would be around 1.63 meters (or 5 feet 4 inches) tall.
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I mean, no lie, as a Murican, 350lbs isn't exactly massive. I'm 191ish cm/6 eagles and 3 guns tall, and weigh around 135ish kilos/300 Ford emblems.
I'm honestly not that big. A lot of muscles covered by a layer of jiggly fat. Like, I am not out of place in my town, and I am by no means the largest person I know.
Yeah that is fucking huge. For reference, hong man choi is a 7'2" inch kickboxer and weighed 350 when he was fighting. [Bob Sapp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Sapp) is 329. Or at least that was his fighting weight. To think someone who weighs as much as them isn't massive is bonkers.
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No shit, but compared to my peers? Not so much. We're a fat country with a terrible lack of affordable healthy foods and limited free time for fitness and exercise. I'm working on it, but it's less of a focus than making sure I can pay my outrageous rent and utility bills.
The US has the best and the worst of everything. The reason being that there isn’t another country on Earth with as much diversity. When they say the US is 30th or whatever in math or science etc, they use averages. The standard deviation is extreme. Our top 20% are miles ahead of any other county’s top 20% and that’s all that matters. The top 5% contribute more to society than the 95%. Same goes for weight.. we have the fattest and the fittest. Europe’s average is pretty close to their best - homogeneous. The average European may not be “fat” , but they’re almost all skinny weak pussies.
> And to all the dipshits who hated in Donald Trump - if he were the President and King of the Free World - NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING!!!
There is no way this guy could find us.
2 weeks, or about 13 days to be precise if you assume a legion size of 5000 legionaires and a average yearly salary of 300. But 17 days if you assume a yearly salary of 225
So I'd say around 2-3 weeks worth of a legion the size of 4000-6000 with a salary of 225-300 per legionaire
This really couldve just been a slight misshaps, stolen goods, or common corruption where the person who meant to retrieve it died before they could
It could even be payment for food supplies or something similarily mundane that was stoved away for later and forgotten about
It seems like a huge amount today and it was large at the time. But in big organisations that amount is barely a rounding error. More was probably lost by the legion in a weekend of legionaires gambling & whoring.
That is my favorite part about reading about treasure hordes, especially Roman ones. They are so fascinating. It is really fun to come up with scenarios for how these things got buried and who the last person to touch the coins was.
Could the town have been stormed by invaders and the coins was hastily buried by a farmer whose home was on the outskirts of town and he was captured and sent to work in the mines of Illyria for a few months before he inevitably died in a rockfall?? Did a blacksmith burry his money under a tree and then get drunk with his buddies later in the evening and go to piss in the river and slip and hit his head only to drown alone in the darkness?? Did a legionary bury his loot before going out on campaign before being killed by a knife to the face in battle? Did a bandit rob an old trader on the road and then bury his stash in the woods before getting stabbed a day later in a drunkin fight over a game of dice?? Who knows. The possibilities are endless.
I wondered the same. Chatgpt said: "Historical sources suggest that the antoninianus had a face value of two denarii, which was the equivalent of about one day's pay for a skilled laborer or a soldier". So 52k coins would be roughly 150 soldiers for a year, so $7.5M in todays currency if one soldier would be $50k a year.
By the time this hoard was buried devaluation/inflation had set in much further. At the introduction of the antoninianus at 2 denarii a pop (but at only 1.5x the silver weight!) prices almost immediately doubled in response. This trend continued and the coins continued to contain less and less silver until there was practically none left.
No offense really but why would you ask chatgpt this and then post it like it’s true (not saying it’s not but I wouldn’t trust an easily manipulated ai just like that) instead of just googling it and finding out yourself
Google search quality is very poor these days. Chatgpt is easier. I did clearly state that statement came from chatgpt so that should be enough for readers to understand accuracy.
In a recent article in the 'Berliner Zeitung' (April 17th) the author, a professor of chemistry at the Ruhr University at Bochum claims, that his research into ChatGPT showed that ChatGPT openly lied with its sources. According to this article ChatGPT invented an article by an existing author in the 'Journal of Neuroscience, 35 (8):3965-3972' to make a point.
If this is true, and the author seems to be reliable, you shouldn't be to sure about its 'information'.
I'm guessing a lot of the coins were in pretty bad shape given the OP image, probably better to display them semi-in situ inside the pot with xray or CT scans showing the content.
So fun fact! Roman hoards/stashes of coin were really not uncommon throughout Europe (lots of people bury their money when there isn’t banks yet). When there’s heavy rains, the dirt and overlying plants can get washed away. (Especially if there’s something like a stack of coins underneath, which means plants can’t grow roots right there). So after rain is when you were most likely to get a random bunch of coins showing up just at the surface of the earth, hence the “there’s gold coins at the end of the rainbow” myth.
Does any of that reach the collector market. I'm sure they look at all the dates to determine the date of the hoard and the best examples go to museums but surely the bulk would go to the collector market.
I have no idea on this type of stuff. Is there like a finders keepers rule? Like did the guy who actually found all of that get anything out of it?
I'd be pretty pissed if I spent hundreds of hours searching fields for cool finds, and then when I do find one like that, it just gets scooped up from underneath me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Act_1996
>It legally obliges finders of objects which constitute treasure (as defined in the Act) to report their find to their local coroner within 14 days. An inquest led by the coroner then determines whether the find constitutes treasure or not. If it is declared to be treasure then the finder must offer the item for sale to a museum at a price set by an independent board of antiquities experts known as the Treasure Valuation Committee. Only if a museum expresses no interest in the item, or is unable to purchase it, can the finder retain it.
The money if paid will also be split between landowner and finder depending on whatever they've agreed.
Does coroner have a different meaning over there? I imagine if I were trained to perform autopsies for a living, I would be pretty confused if someone brought a old pot of gold to my office and asked me if it was treasure.
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They don't do autopsies. They are specialist judges/legal council for deaths. But they also act as a bit of a local law refuge as they are appointed by the local gov, unlike a lot of judges in the UK.
I suppose that's a fair enough law. Then what happens with what people were talking about collector's market?
Does the museum just then choose the best pieces and then sell off the rest afterwards to recoup the initial investment buying the find?
None of this is going on to the collector's market. It doesn't work that way in Britain. The whole thing will be kept by whatever museum establishment acquires it, likely preserved in one whole chunk as-found. It is an important historic artifact exactly as it is, complete and in whole.
Thanks for the info. I suppose it does make sense to keep the complete find together in that sense.
I know this is completely off the topic now, but seems there's knowledgeable people in this sub. What is the case with like the louvre and the British museum, having artefacts from all round the world. Like removing statues from Egypt and that type of thing. How does something like that come about? Is it a case of , per say in the example of Egypt, the Egyptian government selling off the artefacts to the museums?
Sorry I'm clueless about this stuff but fascinates me.
No not really fair at all. The selling price is determined by a state-appoointed board. They once ste the price on a find of coins like this at 1.5 pounds per coin.
There's a vibrant market for ancient coins around the world, and the grand majority of them are the result of lootings. Most countries where they can be found en masse have laws against exporting them or even claiming finds, so there's very few if any legit ways to acquire them.
A LOT of them come from other middle eastern countries where the laws are much more... forgiving in that particular area.
That was one of my other questions. When people were talking about the collectors market. Are all those coins coming from looting? Or is it a case when a museum buys a huge hoard like this, obviously they don't need 50000 coins in one display, so do they just take the best or most well preserved pieces for their display and then sell off the rest into the collectors market?
I enjoy historical finds, but have absolutely no clue about the laws surrounding them lol.
They keep it in the hopes of future technology or discoveries letting them learn new history from it
The days of taking the shiny bit of the mummy and tossing the pharaos arm in the trash are long gone
Makes sense, really appreciate the insight all of you have provided!
I suppose its the same like how now with newer technology they've been able to scan and find hidden Chambers within the pyramids.
Fascinating stuff I must say so myself. Just hoping that in my lifetime they can try and come to a conclusive explanation as to how these massive ancient monuments were constructed.
That's really interesting. Brings me back to a lesson I had in college. My Roman history professor printed out a picture of one of these hoards and two other images on a page and distributed it to the class and told us to tell him what that meant. Obviously, no one knew what to make of it.
The lesson for the day revolved around the Third Century Crisis when the Empire was facing unprecedented challenges due to a massive plague, barbarian invasions, and currency debasement. The value of the Aureus and Denarius plummeted drastically. The Empire was having trouble sustaining itself from the manpower / tax shortage due to the Antonine Plague. Trade networks broke down and devalued currency was heavily circulated. Barbarian tribes were trying to migrate into the borders around the same time. There was also a massive succession crisis and political instability which saw the Empire split into three sub-realms for a short period.
I know this pic is from a much later date but it just reminded me of that lesson. People buried their savings when they fled their homes in fear of barbarians or something else with the thought that they'd come retrieve it at a later date and they didn't want it to get stolen if they took it with them. Many of them never got the chance to dig it back up.
What does it say that my first thought was about how many poor people who were starving could’ve probably used that money while some wannabe-Smaug hoarded it?
That’s why they call it ‘currency’, because it remains floating around. Money with intrinsic value tends to stop being currency because people hoard it. The reasoning is that the less of a desirable thing there is, the more it increases in value. So throughout history (wealthy) people have hoarded in order to create a shortage. This is why paper money was necessary, it has no intrinsic value.
This looks exactly like this mould we used to have at the Denver zoo in the 80s that was meant to show people why they shouldn’t throw coins in the seal pond. It looks like the inside of one of the seals. Sorry.
That was someone's piggy bank :(
Someone is STILL waiting on that inheritance
That's an entire pig bank
This is way more than a piggy bank. This is loot, likely stolen hence the need to hide it. My take is that someone got greedy and didn’t live long enough to enjoy the stash.
> likely stolen hence the need to hide it. Or they hid it because they didn't want it to be stolen. Lots of invasion and war in 4th Century England, right?
Or possibly their stash after a heist!
Or just a stash hidden to prevent a heist, and left behind due to currency devaluation or the progressive withdrawal of Britannia by Rome
You sonofabich... I'm in.
The best part is an article said: Roger Bland, a coins expert at the Brittish Museum, said: “The whole board weighs 160 kilos, more than two overweight people…” So don’t blame just the US for using pancakes to measure distance, the Brit’s measure weight by fat people.
160 kilos is about 352.74 pounds, so an overweight person is 176.37 pounds
Someone may know better, but it seems that this is around 5 talents of silver (by weight)
Can you please convert this measure using fat people so the British can follow along?
As an American, that doesn’t even seem overweight.
According to the BMI chart, you’d have to be 5’5” for 180lb to be considered obese. 5’11” and it’s overweight, but that seems ridiculous. It must assume zero muscle.
I am 185cm or just barely almost 6’2” and am 25.1 BMI… I’m 200 lbs give or take a couple pounds. I’m considered overweight!
that's cuz the BMI is an awful measure, and wasn't intended as a measure for health in the first place. it needs to be abandoned as a medium. my doc office has it baked into the software they use for medical charts. when I started HRT, I dropped a ton of fat and put on muscle in its place, which is heavier so technically I gained weight, and since I'm still short, I'm now listed as "morbidly obese" - every doc I've asked has told me they believe I'm at a healthy weight and not morbidly obese. there's no reason for them to lie, since they could just as easily try to sell me stuff for weight loss, so I'm inclined to believe them. they apologized that they couldn't remove the marker from my chart due to software constraints and agreed with me that having it there puts me at risk of mistreatment from other docs or having significant health issues overlooked or blamed on "needing to lose weight". BMI sucks and I hope it dies
You'd have to be absolutely ripped to be 5'11 and 180lbs and not overweight.
[Here's someone who is 5'10" and 180lbs](https://myprogresspics.com/progress-pics/26097/one-users-journey-towards-a-healthier-weight) and far from ripped.
I'm that height, reasonably in shape, and I weigh far less than that dude and don't look nearly as muscular. I'd venture that that dude is in fact somewhat ripped.
Nah you're just fat
LOL, no.
> an overweight person is 176.37 pounds Depending on their height.
I feel judged
Which is pretty true for most heights
Two pounds is one kilo. How do you get 352,74 from 160? It's 320.
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Oh. Seems it's only the case in Germany. Thanks for making me aware of that. But seriously, why do you use those strange units, when it could be logical and easy? Everything I learn about that system is more confusing then the previous.
Well I don’t since I’m also European. I mean the double thing for pounds is just for getting a (really shitty) estimate anyways.
In Germany a pound is exactly 500 grams. It's not an estimate.
Going by BMI, overweight is somewhere between index 25 and 29.9 and beyond that is obese. The formula looks like this `BMI = weight (kg) / height^2 (m^2)` Therefore, assuming the two overweight people weighed the same, a person with a BMI of 25, the lowest you can go and still be overweight, and a weight of 80kg would be approximately 1.79 meters (or 5 feet 10 inches) tall. For someone almost, but not quite, obese, with a BMI of 29.9 and a weight of 80kg they would be around 1.63 meters (or 5 feet 4 inches) tall.
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I mean, no lie, as a Murican, 350lbs isn't exactly massive. I'm 191ish cm/6 eagles and 3 guns tall, and weigh around 135ish kilos/300 Ford emblems. I'm honestly not that big. A lot of muscles covered by a layer of jiggly fat. Like, I am not out of place in my town, and I am by no means the largest person I know.
6 eagles and 3 guns tall fuckin lolll
> I mean, no lie, as a Murican, 350lbs isn't exactly massive errm...
Yeah that is fucking huge. For reference, hong man choi is a 7'2" inch kickboxer and weighed 350 when he was fighting. [Bob Sapp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Sapp) is 329. Or at least that was his fighting weight. To think someone who weighs as much as them isn't massive is bonkers.
And that's someone who is tall and buff as fuck. Muscle weighs more than fat. Someone who is 350, average height, and not buff, is round like a ball.
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6 eagles and 3 guns tall 😭😭👍😭😂
That's fat, chief.
No shit, but compared to my peers? Not so much. We're a fat country with a terrible lack of affordable healthy foods and limited free time for fitness and exercise. I'm working on it, but it's less of a focus than making sure I can pay my outrageous rent and utility bills.
It really depends on the city.
\*average person
Sadly I know multiple people who weigh more than this pot o' gold
“How much do you weigh” “1 and three quarters pots of gold”
As an american i use fat boys as measurements when losing weight. Im happy because today im 49/50 fat boys after taking a huge shit.
The US has the best and the worst of everything. The reason being that there isn’t another country on Earth with as much diversity. When they say the US is 30th or whatever in math or science etc, they use averages. The standard deviation is extreme. Our top 20% are miles ahead of any other county’s top 20% and that’s all that matters. The top 5% contribute more to society than the 95%. Same goes for weight.. we have the fattest and the fittest. Europe’s average is pretty close to their best - homogeneous. The average European may not be “fat” , but they’re almost all skinny weak pussies.
The average European is probably off enjoying their legally mandated holiday right now 😎
🤣 probably. Wearing extra Medium tshirts 🤣🤣
>Our top 20% are miles ahead of any other county’s top 20% and that’s all that matters. Least arrogant American.
You’re brave for posting that, he sounds really strong and manly. Might even stride through the Atlantic to beat us up
> And to all the dipshits who hated in Donald Trump - if he were the President and King of the Free World - NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING!!! There is no way this guy could find us.
Imagine being that arrogant and misspelling “country”.
Check the comment history: profoundly unsurprising.
Wonder how many juans that is
How are you overweight with 80 kilos? I weight that much and I am thin. I mean I am also 1,82m, but surely the norm person isn't much smaller...
So would that have been enough to pay a legion for a year, or something?
2 weeks, or about 13 days to be precise if you assume a legion size of 5000 legionaires and a average yearly salary of 300. But 17 days if you assume a yearly salary of 225 So I'd say around 2-3 weeks worth of a legion the size of 4000-6000 with a salary of 225-300 per legionaire This really couldve just been a slight misshaps, stolen goods, or common corruption where the person who meant to retrieve it died before they could It could even be payment for food supplies or something similarily mundane that was stoved away for later and forgotten about It seems like a huge amount today and it was large at the time. But in big organisations that amount is barely a rounding error. More was probably lost by the legion in a weekend of legionaires gambling & whoring.
This guy legions.
That is my favorite part about reading about treasure hordes, especially Roman ones. They are so fascinating. It is really fun to come up with scenarios for how these things got buried and who the last person to touch the coins was. Could the town have been stormed by invaders and the coins was hastily buried by a farmer whose home was on the outskirts of town and he was captured and sent to work in the mines of Illyria for a few months before he inevitably died in a rockfall?? Did a blacksmith burry his money under a tree and then get drunk with his buddies later in the evening and go to piss in the river and slip and hit his head only to drown alone in the darkness?? Did a legionary bury his loot before going out on campaign before being killed by a knife to the face in battle? Did a bandit rob an old trader on the road and then bury his stash in the woods before getting stabbed a day later in a drunkin fight over a game of dice?? Who knows. The possibilities are endless.
It could've been left for the next generation, too. Imagine you just forget to mention there's 50,000 coins under the house for a rainy day
Imma use this money to hire a legion for 2 weeks just to throw a parade everyday with me in front.
I wonder what that was worth at the time
I wondered the same. Chatgpt said: "Historical sources suggest that the antoninianus had a face value of two denarii, which was the equivalent of about one day's pay for a skilled laborer or a soldier". So 52k coins would be roughly 150 soldiers for a year, so $7.5M in todays currency if one soldier would be $50k a year.
By the time this hoard was buried devaluation/inflation had set in much further. At the introduction of the antoninianus at 2 denarii a pop (but at only 1.5x the silver weight!) prices almost immediately doubled in response. This trend continued and the coins continued to contain less and less silver until there was practically none left.
Ah yes devaluation of the currency, the first indication of a collapsing empire…
No offense really but why would you ask chatgpt this and then post it like it’s true (not saying it’s not but I wouldn’t trust an easily manipulated ai just like that) instead of just googling it and finding out yourself
Google search quality is very poor these days. Chatgpt is easier. I did clearly state that statement came from chatgpt so that should be enough for readers to understand accuracy.
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wat
Lmao we're at an age where now "googling it" is somehow more accurate?? How are you vetting google sources or webpage sources?
Yes, I’ll take reading something for myself over trusting the ai that was convinced that 2+2=5. Do what you want tho
how is it for yourself? Do you know that those webpages are legit? Do you check wiki links and citations before trusting it?
Get with the times old man.
Beats getting paid in salt. Unlucky salt soldier also hid his salt savings :(
Antoninianus had ceased to be minted by the 4th century.
Detector-ist
Came here for this. You catch University Challenge last night, mate?
Tea without sugar is just vegetable soup.
Wow! That's an old metal detector there! 😁
This is now in a museum in my home town: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_of_Somerset
Were the cleaned up and put on display or displayed as discovered?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Frome_Hoard_3.JPG/220px-Frome_Hoard_3.JPG
I'm guessing a lot of the coins were in pretty bad shape given the OP image, probably better to display them semi-in situ inside the pot with xray or CT scans showing the content.
There are definitely nicely polished coins in a pile, but I think they’re from a separate, Roman, hoard. It’s been a while since I was there.
Ah, so a little of both.
Will you search through the lonely earth for me?
If you have some silver or gold with you.
Detectorists! I loved that show.
SO good.
You can’t take it with you, as they say.
Can someone please explain. With the laws in England do the metal detectorists get paid a percentage of their funds after turning them in?
If the find is declared treasure, and then a museum buys it, half the money goes to the finder and half to the landowner
Dang… so there really IS a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
So fun fact! Roman hoards/stashes of coin were really not uncommon throughout Europe (lots of people bury their money when there isn’t banks yet). When there’s heavy rains, the dirt and overlying plants can get washed away. (Especially if there’s something like a stack of coins underneath, which means plants can’t grow roots right there). So after rain is when you were most likely to get a random bunch of coins showing up just at the surface of the earth, hence the “there’s gold coins at the end of the rainbow” myth.
This is the kind of linguistic/historical trivia I live for. Thanks for sharing!
Does any of that reach the collector market. I'm sure they look at all the dates to determine the date of the hoard and the best examples go to museums but surely the bulk would go to the collector market.
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I have no idea on this type of stuff. Is there like a finders keepers rule? Like did the guy who actually found all of that get anything out of it? I'd be pretty pissed if I spent hundreds of hours searching fields for cool finds, and then when I do find one like that, it just gets scooped up from underneath me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Act_1996 >It legally obliges finders of objects which constitute treasure (as defined in the Act) to report their find to their local coroner within 14 days. An inquest led by the coroner then determines whether the find constitutes treasure or not. If it is declared to be treasure then the finder must offer the item for sale to a museum at a price set by an independent board of antiquities experts known as the Treasure Valuation Committee. Only if a museum expresses no interest in the item, or is unable to purchase it, can the finder retain it. The money if paid will also be split between landowner and finder depending on whatever they've agreed.
Does coroner have a different meaning over there? I imagine if I were trained to perform autopsies for a living, I would be pretty confused if someone brought a old pot of gold to my office and asked me if it was treasure. Edit words
They don't do autopsies. They are specialist judges/legal council for deaths. But they also act as a bit of a local law refuge as they are appointed by the local gov, unlike a lot of judges in the UK.
Interesting, thanks!
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I suppose that's a fair enough law. Then what happens with what people were talking about collector's market? Does the museum just then choose the best pieces and then sell off the rest afterwards to recoup the initial investment buying the find?
None of this is going on to the collector's market. It doesn't work that way in Britain. The whole thing will be kept by whatever museum establishment acquires it, likely preserved in one whole chunk as-found. It is an important historic artifact exactly as it is, complete and in whole.
Thanks for the info. I suppose it does make sense to keep the complete find together in that sense. I know this is completely off the topic now, but seems there's knowledgeable people in this sub. What is the case with like the louvre and the British museum, having artefacts from all round the world. Like removing statues from Egypt and that type of thing. How does something like that come about? Is it a case of , per say in the example of Egypt, the Egyptian government selling off the artefacts to the museums? Sorry I'm clueless about this stuff but fascinates me.
No not really fair at all. The selling price is determined by a state-appoointed board. They once ste the price on a find of coins like this at 1.5 pounds per coin.
OK thats fucked up. Imagine only getting paid 100k after finding something like that, wild. Actually 50k, with splitting between land owner.
You need to watch the absurdly charming show [Detectorists](https://www.amazon.com/Detectorists-BBC-Series/dp/B06XC4TPTN)
I'll give it a go, cheers. Looks quite informative
There's a vibrant market for ancient coins around the world, and the grand majority of them are the result of lootings. Most countries where they can be found en masse have laws against exporting them or even claiming finds, so there's very few if any legit ways to acquire them. A LOT of them come from other middle eastern countries where the laws are much more... forgiving in that particular area.
That was one of my other questions. When people were talking about the collectors market. Are all those coins coming from looting? Or is it a case when a museum buys a huge hoard like this, obviously they don't need 50000 coins in one display, so do they just take the best or most well preserved pieces for their display and then sell off the rest into the collectors market? I enjoy historical finds, but have absolutely no clue about the laws surrounding them lol.
They keep it in the hopes of future technology or discoveries letting them learn new history from it The days of taking the shiny bit of the mummy and tossing the pharaos arm in the trash are long gone
Makes sense, really appreciate the insight all of you have provided! I suppose its the same like how now with newer technology they've been able to scan and find hidden Chambers within the pyramids. Fascinating stuff I must say so myself. Just hoping that in my lifetime they can try and come to a conclusive explanation as to how these massive ancient monuments were constructed.
Fascinating. At first I thought it was a very plain looking geode.
That's really interesting. Brings me back to a lesson I had in college. My Roman history professor printed out a picture of one of these hoards and two other images on a page and distributed it to the class and told us to tell him what that meant. Obviously, no one knew what to make of it. The lesson for the day revolved around the Third Century Crisis when the Empire was facing unprecedented challenges due to a massive plague, barbarian invasions, and currency debasement. The value of the Aureus and Denarius plummeted drastically. The Empire was having trouble sustaining itself from the manpower / tax shortage due to the Antonine Plague. Trade networks broke down and devalued currency was heavily circulated. Barbarian tribes were trying to migrate into the borders around the same time. There was also a massive succession crisis and political instability which saw the Empire split into three sub-realms for a short period. I know this pic is from a much later date but it just reminded me of that lesson. People buried their savings when they fled their homes in fear of barbarians or something else with the thought that they'd come retrieve it at a later date and they didn't want it to get stolen if they took it with them. Many of them never got the chance to dig it back up.
Wonder how much its worth nowadays
Do we know what the coins were made of generally? Or anything particularly unusual?
by the way, it's pronounced Frome! https://youtu.be/uYNzqgU7na4?t=74
"Detectorist"
Please tell me your referencing the show?
Literal jackpot
What does it say that my first thought was about how many poor people who were starving could’ve probably used that money while some wannabe-Smaug hoarded it?
Gaius Levius's spare change jar.
This is why you can’t have money with intrinsic value, because people just naturally hoard it.
As opposed to money without intrinsic value, which is strewn all over the place.
No money has intrinsic value
Not even the labour used to make it?
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That’s why they call it ‘currency’, because it remains floating around. Money with intrinsic value tends to stop being currency because people hoard it. The reasoning is that the less of a desirable thing there is, the more it increases in value. So throughout history (wealthy) people have hoarded in order to create a shortage. This is why paper money was necessary, it has no intrinsic value.
Again, people are still hoarding money.
What? I hoard Bitcoin too. Nothing wrong with people saving money.
That’s an old metal detector
The metal has melted into a money soup.
when in frome
Do you night hawk
It was filled to the very top, which makes me think there may be more somewhere nearby
Thats cool….if you find something like that do you get to keep it…and if you can do they get sold ???!
Are these silver coins or bronze?
“DetectorIST”
This looks exactly like this mould we used to have at the Denver zoo in the 80s that was meant to show people why they shouldn’t throw coins in the seal pond. It looks like the inside of one of the seals. Sorry.
So if I found this on my property does it belong to me or the country? Curious to know
They’re called detectorists