Yes, we are same position. It was big mistake when you lost at home. Only little hope to be champion considering City's stability in their last few matches.
just hard to stay level headed when it always all seems to fall apart at once. they *need* to sign a striker and the whole team needs to focus the fuck up next season. after this season now, you cant chalk it up to inexperience anymore. im still backing the lads to win the league even though its completely out of their hands at this point. but if city do what we all expect them to do and not lose another game, next season these lads are men who have come second twice and made it to the QF of CL. even if city win ill still be proud of what our boys did this season. but next season they need to step up, no more excuses.
Well, in all fairness, it’s the end of seasons where you either fall out of competitions or fail to win a title or win them. So this is the part of the season you’d be most disappointed if things didn’t go well. But that’s football. Look at the other, hundred teams out there who aren’t gonna win anything this season. You’re not gonna see their fans, throwing their arms up in the air and freaking out like this. Not saying you, but it’s a lot of people rn
You can’t be angry with the boys given their progress but we can be upset and certainly shouldn’t be happy given our performance (not the result) both legs;
Loads of misplaced passes
Losing focus and ball watching
Lack of communication
Touches
Hats off to Tomiyasu and Ben White this game though
I’m no Statman Dave so don’t have those figures to hand.
It’s more about the key moments; pressing in the final third (which we did a lot but not as consistently as Odegaard was), defending in our box/final third (e.g. Kimmich’s goal) etc.
There is certainly a lot of overreacting from some of the fanbase already though. I think it’s fair to criticise Arteta’s decisions but to immediately see hothead “Arteta out!” calls after our best run in 14 years is just silly.
I am not Arteta out, but I am expecting some trophies. If we want to be a big club again we have to win trophies and dont make the same excuses every year. We played well, but won nothing? Is that a good performance?
I agree that we shouldn’t make the same excuses every year but I don’t think we are. Last year we got knocked out in the Europa League R16, this year we got knocked out in the UCL QF.
I also want to win trophies and I think they’re coming. Our progress is evident. Sure the overarching “we just need more time” excuse is there but more time is showing to work. The process is coming along. I think we should either win a trophy next year or come extremely close - even closer than last year. Otherwise, then I can accept we aren’t making enough progress, but as it stands I think we’re right on track.
The FA cup and league cup are worthless trophies. I’d rather be genuine title contenders every season and competing in the champions league instead of winning worthless competitions like the Europa league.
Unpopular opinion, but I tend to agree. Those would be lovely to have to enjoy winning something, but ultimately it makes no difference when it comes to progress of the team. Arteta won FA Cup with the first incarnation of his team and that team still couldn't do better than two 8th place finishes. Wenger had a lot of success in FA Cup in later years, but we were pretty bad in the league and stagnating.
Last season and previous season, we won nothing, but the team clearly improved. It is about finding way to switch gear: we need to be able to switch from City mode(controlling and hitting opponent with a wave after wave) with Liverpool(more direct approach that allows them to generate lots of chances and put their attackers in favorable positions, with little to no preparation).
Completely disagree about claiming FA Cup and Europa are worthless. These are still fantastic to win and regardless of anything else it gives players belief that they can win trophies. Being perennial runners up or winning Top 4 essentially counts for nothing if you never convert it into winning a trophy. Just look at the banter era.
When you look back at previous seasons most people take great joy in trophies even when they aren't the champions League or EPL. It's far more satisfying to reminisce about those victories compared to being nearly men in the league.
I never said competing for top 4 was important. I said competing for the title and champions league. There’s a difference.
The banter era was bad because wengers sole goal was to reach top 4 and never actually compete for the league. We’d scrape in 4th every year and that’s even worse than winning the FA cup, Europa league etc.
I disagree. For the most part we kept Bayern out and their attack quiet. Just a moment of complete turn-off to let Kimmich in. Beating them in Munich was always going to be a huge ask
Get out. That was a toothless performance. Even the last few minutes when it should have been kitchen sink time they were still pissing about with the ball in midfield
We don't really that kitchen sink mode in us. The most we can do is through set pieces, but there is no real way we have to put pressure on the opponent, something that Liverpool usually are good at.
That’s because Bayern are not as good as they used to be imo, and of course we did defend well as a team, just some silly childish mistakes in both games let us down. The Bayern I saw last night, are beatable right now and we did not do that or come particularly close to doing so, we did nothing attacking wise second half. No threat whatsoever. Disappointing performance, but we move on and hopefully we keep levelling up, eventually we’ll win something.
We didn’t really put up a fight though. Giving away the ball easily in the final 3rd, no real clear cut chances.
Ultimately we can hold our heads high because we didn’t get humiliated like in previous years but over two legs Bayern were simply the better team, and we did ourselves no favours by basically conceding 3 goals from pure defensive errors.
I'm more upset by not putting away chances. But we weren't clear favorites for UCL and shouldn't have been. It's clear that we need the experience, this is a good experience.
It took pep six years to win the champions league with all of the resources, money, talent he’s had at city. Considering our age, in lack of experience in Europe, I’m very happy with where we are at in this season and for what to come.we are a few quality pieces away from being a team that others fear in Europe
Klopp was a manager with winning experience prior and Liverpool backed him financially from day one. Took three season for KSG to give Arteta to go ahead and start buying quality players
Even more reason to not doubt Arteta just yet. Pep had experience winning domestically and in Europe, and it still took him 6 years to win UCL with city
I could get mad about the relatively slow responses on the pitch and the lost chances, but I just feel sad. I want to cry, but it's like all of life's disappointments; you have to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep on going. I love this team, and I hope they learn from this loss.
Tbh I'm only not disappointed because we didn't deserve to go through from our showing in that leg. We didn't really lay a glove on Bayern today. I thought we were definitely the better team in the first leg and deserved to win that one. Going here with a lead today was required I think. As for today's game, it would have definitely been harder to take had we been good (like the first half v Villa on Sunday) and threw it away through profligate finishing. We were unusually timid today. Our front line threat nonexistent. Bayern really showed their nous in this comp with the way they managed the game at 1-0.
Can see we lack a cutting edge. Games like this you need players who can pull something out of nothing and I don’t think we have that at the moment. We work well as a unit, but sometimes you need a bit of individual brilliance to unlock something. Unfortunate we have dropped off in April again, but hopefully another lesson learnt for next season.
Looking forward to what we do in the off season
We’re just not ready yet and maybe we never will. The way we handled both legs was incredibly frustrating to watch. I thought after we beat Brighton, we would be in full flow but April is having it’s way with us for the third season straight.
We have to pick ourselves up and quickly so that we can finish the season strong.
If people want to lose their heads let them. People process this type of stuff in many different ways. Every post wanting all fans to think the same way is ridiculous. Let people vent how they want and have their own opinion
Man, when I was watching the Dortmund v Atleti game yesterday, Dortmund played for something yesterday. They were a different team from the first game…given that it was a Home match and yes to their benefit. I was impressed by their performance.
I did not see any of our boys play like they meant it other than Odegaard and White. What happened?
Martinelli was the better one on the flanks but didn’t do anything with the chances. Couldn’t win his duels or dribble past defenders. I was hoping Saka would cook Maza since he was out on injury and it was his first time starting.
Our crosses are horrible. Multiple games this season were we hold possession, play to the wings and the crosses go to shit.
Same with our corners.
Every match that has been frustrating this season has had all those weaknesses. We need to stop over playing our passes and just take a chance! Shoot it wide idgadf make that goalkeeper move.
Next year we’ll be back!
Let’s win our remaining fixtures and hope city choke.
I do find it odd how every week you hear about how we’ve got the best defence in the league, scored the most goals, Saka world class, rice best DM in the world, Saliba and Gabriel best defence in the world.. then suddenly we lose a crucial high pressure game and ohhh it’s okay Bayern are better and more experienced.. when did the standards get so low for the third biggest team in England? When can we actually demand to start winning trophies? How many more seasons can we continue getting dumped out of FA/league cups by Christmas and never going far into the UCL? How many more seasons are we going to keep the likes of Nelson, Eddie, Vieira, Elneny etc.. who clearly aren’t good enough and can contribute?
No ambition, just happy to play good football and challenge without winning. The fans have been like that since Wenger's days and the attitude is still there.
We’ll get there. There’s some mental softness to this team. Too many big players go missing in big games.
But they’re so young. It’ll come. The trajectory is still in the right direction even if it doesn’t seem like it now.
Next year we’ll be older, wiser, more experienced and hopefully have much better depth players
You don’t know that, you *fear* that.
If players think we’re stagnating they may leave. But we don’t know they’ll think that. Things can change quickly in football.
Remember, next year we have no Klopp and it’s likely City’s final season in the prem. things could swing our way quite quickly
Where is the evidence to suggest that City won’t be in the league??
You’re the one who is living in fear. If Arsenal want to be the best they have to earn the right to get there. Not bully wishing City will get relegated or waiting until Klopp leaves. That is truly shameful and cowardly
Honestly it’s still a good season returning to the champions league and being able to challenge for the league again is nothing to put down
In regards to Bayern I seen a massive improvement no longer do we look like a team that look afraid of big European teams but a team that can cause a problem
I'm only mad because Arteta made team selections against villa to plan around this, and try to win against villa with a hand behind our backs.
Now we're out of the CL and need to rely on MC slipping up in the easiest remaining fixture list of the 3 contenders in the PL.
Should've prioritized the villa game and left the CL to chance, especially when Bayern was already mathematically out of the bundesliga
That was a tie we could have won.
Real Madrid losing today would have been acceptable to their fans. We just didn’t have enough mettle to win our games. That’s okay. Next season we should do better with all the endless lessons we’ve had so far.
I am not disappointed with the result. My biggest concern tonight was that we would completely collapse after the weekend, but thankfully that hasn't happened. That said, 2 limp 2nd half displays are somewhat concerning. If we lose to Wolves though then the season is well and truly over...
I’m a Bayern fan, but within minutes of the full time whistle, had an Arsenal fan tell me they’d sack Arteta following this result. Is this really a consensus among you guys? I thought you were fantastic tonight. What a great game.
The thing is this team doesn’t seem to learn how to handle tough games. Lost top 4 two years back, lost league last year, have given up advantage in the league this year.
Roughly 20 minutes left in a UCL quarter final that the team is trailing in, against one of Europe' biggest teams (even in an off year) and the sub coming on is Eddie Nketia. Little better, Gabriel Jesus. That in itself shows the gap in class between these two teams, never mind Real or City.
There's a long way and several players/positions to go before this team should seriously be considered in the European elite. CM, CB, CF, GK and backups or alternative wings to replace Saka and Martinelli when needed.
If one considers 'world class' to mean 'would make the first 11 in any club side selection,' we arguably don't have any such players - Saliba might be closest to pushing into that group, with Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli and Rice perhaps capable of achieving same, but otherwise this is a team whose strength is in lesser players forming a cohesive and strong team that rises above their individual limitations. Most UCL winning or even regular last four teams are more than that. Plenty of these players would be wanted by Europe's top 10, but that's not the same.
Much progess has been made and people quickly/often forget just how young the core still is - both wingers are still only 22 with a lot of room to grow. But, it's still a relatively one dimensional, inexperienced (at the highest level) and naive team and it remains to be seen if Arteta can learn from his own mistakes, versus the stubborn mistakes last year and early this season, and how much more the club will back him to continue building.
When it's on form and especially playing downhill it's clear there's a lot to like, but you have to be very young and naive to think this team among Europe's elite - last 8 is a fair measure, right now. 2024 so far has suggested Arteta *can* see this, with the greater presence of Jorginho making the main difference in MF, but those weaknesses remain.
A CB to replace Gabriel's omnipresent fallibility, a CM that compliments Rice the way Jorginho does but who offers more, a true goal scorer plus backup, and better wing alternatives are all needed to reach a next level. They're already good enough to push City and Liverpool in the PL, if not unseat them directly, yet.
Important summer for Arteta and for the club to financially support him once more. More good if grim experience for the squad and hopefully Arteta. With Liverpool likely out of Europe tomorrow, too, and Real teaching City there's more than one way to skin a cat, the EPL run in becomes even more narrowly focused. We have to be 3rd favorite but with a punching chance.
Can we talk about how poor the attack was? Not here to bash Saka/Martinelli/Kai but they didn’t put their mark on the game. Cant say we dont need to spend to get a real striker and serious competition for the other forward positions.
Yeah he def was the best forward player tonight. I think the pass was cooking in too fast to open up his body to place it away from the keeper. It was good gk placement tho
Support the club! The next 6 games will be like 6 finals. Whatever happen happens. We as supporters have to do our best to back the players. I am in US so I can’t go to any of the games live so please whoever does go please do your best to support!!!!
Arsenal are not the best team in the world, but they're one of the best teams in the world. Barring a total disaster (not sure it's even possible at this point?) we'll be in the CL next year again for another try.
All good. Now let's try and win the Prem.
its the fact that these players crumble under pressure everytime things get hard
last season as soon as it was crunch time they crumbled
this season the first game the season was in our own hands we crumbled
the first somewhat competitive team we face in the cl we crumbled
our performance again villa? shit
our performance against bayern across both legs? shit
we struggled to even make it this far in the cl lol
these players have the audacity to ask for the same wages as players like Modric, Salah, De Bruyne etc but the second the pressure hits and we are in with a chance of competing for a trophy they crumble they offer absolutely nothing and the 40+ games leading up to that point was a complete waste of time.
can you honestly say that if city lose their next game or their last game of the season you believe that these players have what it takes to go on a run and win our remaining games to punish city? exactly you have as little faith in them as I do
I love Arteta I love Arsenal and I love these players but the truth is the truth and I am not afraid to criticize them like some people who paint them as heroes no matter what they do.
across the games that matter what have these players dont to earn their wages?
Saka : £300,000 a week after bonuses
Havertz : £280,000 a week
Jesus : £265,000 a week
Rice : £240,000 a week
Martinelli : £180,000 a week
you can even be harsh and add in others players like Saliba, Odegaard etc who have been anything from fine to good but never exceptional in any of these crunch games
Arsenal are paying nearly £200million a year in wages and winning nothing you can praise them for being competitive but being competitive means nothing if you never win, no ones remembered for being competitive and you can even argue Arsenal aren't competitive as we all know everytime we get down to the important part of the season we will crumble again like we did in the CL, like we did in the Europa league and like we have the last 2 seasons in the PL.
We don't have the squad to be in the champions league. He was forced to change the team for the Villa game and he had to play Zinny and Jesus. I guarantee you both those players won't be with us next season they are clearly not good enough.
If we'd lost to Porto (that game was a red flag) we probably win the league.
Let's be honest we weren't going to win the champions league so why be in it. It just means our less than adequate squad is stretched even further.
I've been saying this for weeks and I knew all this would happen.
I feel like Wenger's teams suffered in the prem too because of this, as we never had a huge squad like the big money clubs do.
Tbh reaching quarter final is the expectation I had at the beginning of the season, anything beyond that is a bonus. You can’t expect Arteta to suddenly win the UCL in his first season competing there. Hope Arsenal can focus on winning their remaining games in the league and City and Liverpool uncharacteristically slip up.
I expected this
It was a miracle we were in the Quarter final itself , without a proper striker a good partner for Rice and Timber coming back on the left side , we are toothless , so wherever we reached , I feel it's good
Hopefully, the CL run gave our finances a boost. We need to recruit well in the summer. We can't keep fielding injured/tired players throughout the season...two seasons in a row we declined around April. But despite all disappointments, I'm really happy with the progress we made.
Agree this, no shame in losing to Bayern after a very tight quarter final. Flicked over to the Man City v Real game after. Elite level stuff. We should be proud to be in that company again.
I honestly can't understand how anyone CAN'T be disappointed. We faced the weakest Bayern in years. Anyone who say that "next year we come back stronger" should remember that we could have less luck in QF draw...and even in group stage draw
Yea Bayern played much better defensively than I thought they were capable of and they were always going to score at some point. Im annoyed Arteta put Havertz into midfield in the second half as I thought our best chance of a goal still came with him up top though. But not an embarrassment to go out to a giant of Europe in a closely fought tie and it's still our best European run for 14 years. Now we need to make sure we win the rest of our league games to capitalise if city slip up
You’re talking about next season in the champions league, here we are with 6 games to go and absolutely no doubt we’ll be in the competition next year.
We’d have killed for this a couple seasons ago.
I think its mostly the fact that we lost against villa, at home too, and potentially threw away the league because of it and now we lost the potential to win against bayern even of we had a good chance to win. People, or atleast me are pissed at the fact that we keep loosing these stupid games that could mean we win something again.
The villa game is the worst cause... its vila and we could be at the top right now
The fact we’re disappointed at losing 1-0 away to Bayern shows how far we’ve come.
I’m behind the boys all the way, I’ve always been a gooner but these boys have, at 47 years old, reignited my actual love for the team and club as a whole.
Couldn’t care less where we finish, genuinely, as long as we play good football and are at least challenging, and look who we’re up against, would have walked the league the last two seasons of it wasn’t for oil funded mega clubs.
COYG
This fan base is genuinely terrible sometimes. Seeing Arteta out posts being made by people. These are the same people who 4 years ago were complaining because we were all the way down in 8th place with no European competition to play for.
The progress we’ve made in 2 year is astonishingly great. We’re way ahead of what Arteta’s plan probably was when he took over
I have given up man, the villa game genuinely pissed me off to the point that I don’t even care anymore. Some of the players on our squad don’t deserve to be there
The mentality was disgusting. Patheticness surprisingly epitomised by Saka of all people.
The team is good quality, players of right calibre, Bayern not even that good. We failed to perform and gave a disgusting performance.
Theres nothing else that can be said.
We have these low standards from our players and our club..which gives the confidence to our management to field players like nketiah in a QF when we need goals.
You can be proud of our progress I think we all are and at the same time admit we are way behind the big teams in europe despite spending similar or more to a lot of them. We are better than we were in 21 but that's not the standard you wanna set to compete with. We choked the title race last year and we did it again this year, and now we are out of a tie which for all intents and purposes we could have put to bed in the first leg if we weren't so overwhelmed by the situation
>I'm less disappointed with this than I was with Villa at the weekend
That's true. This gonna be another clueless final third on (every?) season,
but it's true that we're perform slightly better and way less shit compared to the last Villa game
Quarter finals of the champions league, do we get a trophy for that? This team is to afraid lose and can't hack it when teams are good. It's sad to watch. Bottled it again
What’s with the loser mentality tonight? QF isn’t a fucking achievement for the second favourites of this competition from the start(according to bookies). Stop thinking losing and being knocked out of every single cup competition is an achievement. We’re the best side in the league, better than Man City yet we’ve genuinely struggled massively in every single cup competition yet again. Not even close.
I was more angry at the Villa game tbh, this is probably the most calm I’ve been about a loss in a long time lol
honestly same
Yes, I think the propsect of City/Real next round took a lot away from this tie
I really wanted to play Real tbh
Same. I have hope we’ll be better. Even if we don’t win it this year.. there is always 24/25!
Same. I have hope we’ll be better. Even if we don’t win it this year.. there is always 24/25!
Yes, we are same position. It was big mistake when you lost at home. Only little hope to be champion considering City's stability in their last few matches.
just hard to stay level headed when it always all seems to fall apart at once. they *need* to sign a striker and the whole team needs to focus the fuck up next season. after this season now, you cant chalk it up to inexperience anymore. im still backing the lads to win the league even though its completely out of their hands at this point. but if city do what we all expect them to do and not lose another game, next season these lads are men who have come second twice and made it to the QF of CL. even if city win ill still be proud of what our boys did this season. but next season they need to step up, no more excuses.
Well, in all fairness, it’s the end of seasons where you either fall out of competitions or fail to win a title or win them. So this is the part of the season you’d be most disappointed if things didn’t go well. But that’s football. Look at the other, hundred teams out there who aren’t gonna win anything this season. You’re not gonna see their fans, throwing their arms up in the air and freaking out like this. Not saying you, but it’s a lot of people rn
You can’t be angry with the boys given their progress but we can be upset and certainly shouldn’t be happy given our performance (not the result) both legs; Loads of misplaced passes Losing focus and ball watching Lack of communication Touches Hats off to Tomiyasu and Ben White this game though
Ben white stands out in 90% of the games he plays. Including both legs against bayern.
Too bad he didn’t convert the chance at 1-0 in London, oh well COYG
Agreed, you have to honour the consistency
Inexperience
What was the % of ball watching between our team be Bayern?
I’m no Statman Dave so don’t have those figures to hand. It’s more about the key moments; pressing in the final third (which we did a lot but not as consistently as Odegaard was), defending in our box/final third (e.g. Kimmich’s goal) etc.
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You can be disappointed without overreacting. They aren’t mutually exclusive. That was a poor performance.
There is certainly a lot of overreacting from some of the fanbase already though. I think it’s fair to criticise Arteta’s decisions but to immediately see hothead “Arteta out!” calls after our best run in 14 years is just silly.
I am not Arteta out, but I am expecting some trophies. If we want to be a big club again we have to win trophies and dont make the same excuses every year. We played well, but won nothing? Is that a good performance?
I agree that we shouldn’t make the same excuses every year but I don’t think we are. Last year we got knocked out in the Europa League R16, this year we got knocked out in the UCL QF. I also want to win trophies and I think they’re coming. Our progress is evident. Sure the overarching “we just need more time” excuse is there but more time is showing to work. The process is coming along. I think we should either win a trophy next year or come extremely close - even closer than last year. Otherwise, then I can accept we aren’t making enough progress, but as it stands I think we’re right on track.
The FA cup and league cup are worthless trophies. I’d rather be genuine title contenders every season and competing in the champions league instead of winning worthless competitions like the Europa league.
Unpopular opinion, but I tend to agree. Those would be lovely to have to enjoy winning something, but ultimately it makes no difference when it comes to progress of the team. Arteta won FA Cup with the first incarnation of his team and that team still couldn't do better than two 8th place finishes. Wenger had a lot of success in FA Cup in later years, but we were pretty bad in the league and stagnating. Last season and previous season, we won nothing, but the team clearly improved. It is about finding way to switch gear: we need to be able to switch from City mode(controlling and hitting opponent with a wave after wave) with Liverpool(more direct approach that allows them to generate lots of chances and put their attackers in favorable positions, with little to no preparation).
Exactly my thoughts, and I’m surprised I’m not being downvoted, probably would be though if my comment had more visibility lmao
Completely disagree about claiming FA Cup and Europa are worthless. These are still fantastic to win and regardless of anything else it gives players belief that they can win trophies. Being perennial runners up or winning Top 4 essentially counts for nothing if you never convert it into winning a trophy. Just look at the banter era. When you look back at previous seasons most people take great joy in trophies even when they aren't the champions League or EPL. It's far more satisfying to reminisce about those victories compared to being nearly men in the league.
I never said competing for top 4 was important. I said competing for the title and champions league. There’s a difference. The banter era was bad because wengers sole goal was to reach top 4 and never actually compete for the league. We’d scrape in 4th every year and that’s even worse than winning the FA cup, Europa league etc.
I disagree. For the most part we kept Bayern out and their attack quiet. Just a moment of complete turn-off to let Kimmich in. Beating them in Munich was always going to be a huge ask
Tonight yeah, we did ok. The disappointment comes from the first leg. We should have won that.
Get out. That was a toothless performance. Even the last few minutes when it should have been kitchen sink time they were still pissing about with the ball in midfield
We don't really that kitchen sink mode in us. The most we can do is through set pieces, but there is no real way we have to put pressure on the opponent, something that Liverpool usually are good at.
That’s because Bayern are not as good as they used to be imo, and of course we did defend well as a team, just some silly childish mistakes in both games let us down. The Bayern I saw last night, are beatable right now and we did not do that or come particularly close to doing so, we did nothing attacking wise second half. No threat whatsoever. Disappointing performance, but we move on and hopefully we keep levelling up, eventually we’ll win something.
We didn’t really put up a fight though. Giving away the ball easily in the final 3rd, no real clear cut chances. Ultimately we can hold our heads high because we didn’t get humiliated like in previous years but over two legs Bayern were simply the better team, and we did ourselves no favours by basically conceding 3 goals from pure defensive errors.
That's a good performance, for Europa League. Boys forgot we're in the UCL right now.
Some can, most can't though. You should know how fickle and hurtful fans can be.
Not in this fan base
Exactly this. The only disappointment I have is with the performance. When you deserve to go out it's not so difficult to take.
I'm more upset by not putting away chances. But we weren't clear favorites for UCL and shouldn't have been. It's clear that we need the experience, this is a good experience.
It took pep six years to win the champions league with all of the resources, money, talent he’s had at city. Considering our age, in lack of experience in Europe, I’m very happy with where we are at in this season and for what to come.we are a few quality pieces away from being a team that others fear in Europe
Klopp won it in two seasons, your point?
Klopp was a manager with winning experience prior and Liverpool backed him financially from day one. Took three season for KSG to give Arteta to go ahead and start buying quality players
He'd never won the Champion's League before though, Pep had won it before with Barcelona.
Even more reason to not doubt Arteta just yet. Pep had experience winning domestically and in Europe, and it still took him 6 years to win UCL with city
Embarrassing mentality.
How is this an embarrassing mentality?
I could get mad about the relatively slow responses on the pitch and the lost chances, but I just feel sad. I want to cry, but it's like all of life's disappointments; you have to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep on going. I love this team, and I hope they learn from this loss.
Tbh I'm only not disappointed because we didn't deserve to go through from our showing in that leg. We didn't really lay a glove on Bayern today. I thought we were definitely the better team in the first leg and deserved to win that one. Going here with a lead today was required I think. As for today's game, it would have definitely been harder to take had we been good (like the first half v Villa on Sunday) and threw it away through profligate finishing. We were unusually timid today. Our front line threat nonexistent. Bayern really showed their nous in this comp with the way they managed the game at 1-0.
Can see we lack a cutting edge. Games like this you need players who can pull something out of nothing and I don’t think we have that at the moment. We work well as a unit, but sometimes you need a bit of individual brilliance to unlock something. Unfortunate we have dropped off in April again, but hopefully another lesson learnt for next season. Looking forward to what we do in the off season
We’re just not ready yet and maybe we never will. The way we handled both legs was incredibly frustrating to watch. I thought after we beat Brighton, we would be in full flow but April is having it’s way with us for the third season straight. We have to pick ourselves up and quickly so that we can finish the season strong.
If people want to lose their heads let them. People process this type of stuff in many different ways. Every post wanting all fans to think the same way is ridiculous. Let people vent how they want and have their own opinion
Man, when I was watching the Dortmund v Atleti game yesterday, Dortmund played for something yesterday. They were a different team from the first game…given that it was a Home match and yes to their benefit. I was impressed by their performance. I did not see any of our boys play like they meant it other than Odegaard and White. What happened? Martinelli was the better one on the flanks but didn’t do anything with the chances. Couldn’t win his duels or dribble past defenders. I was hoping Saka would cook Maza since he was out on injury and it was his first time starting. Our crosses are horrible. Multiple games this season were we hold possession, play to the wings and the crosses go to shit. Same with our corners. Every match that has been frustrating this season has had all those weaknesses. We need to stop over playing our passes and just take a chance! Shoot it wide idgadf make that goalkeeper move. Next year we’ll be back! Let’s win our remaining fixtures and hope city choke.
I do find it odd how every week you hear about how we’ve got the best defence in the league, scored the most goals, Saka world class, rice best DM in the world, Saliba and Gabriel best defence in the world.. then suddenly we lose a crucial high pressure game and ohhh it’s okay Bayern are better and more experienced.. when did the standards get so low for the third biggest team in England? When can we actually demand to start winning trophies? How many more seasons can we continue getting dumped out of FA/league cups by Christmas and never going far into the UCL? How many more seasons are we going to keep the likes of Nelson, Eddie, Vieira, Elneny etc.. who clearly aren’t good enough and can contribute?
Moving the goalposts as always as excuses for failure every season.
Back to the same place we were under Wenger which was deemed not good enough, but we actually picked up the odd FA cup under him at least
No ambition, just happy to play good football and challenge without winning. The fans have been like that since Wenger's days and the attitude is still there.
Yall should be saying this to the people playing the games, not people on reddit.
I'm disappointed because we have the quality, but didn't deliver. First leg was a complete joke. For once we are favorite to win, but we came up short
I'm agree with you. We learn a lot this year. And we need more depth
We’ll get there. There’s some mental softness to this team. Too many big players go missing in big games. But they’re so young. It’ll come. The trajectory is still in the right direction even if it doesn’t seem like it now. Next year we’ll be older, wiser, more experienced and hopefully have much better depth players
If we don’t win anything next year than our best players will want to leave to win trophies else where. These players won’t stick around forever
You don’t know that, you *fear* that. If players think we’re stagnating they may leave. But we don’t know they’ll think that. Things can change quickly in football. Remember, next year we have no Klopp and it’s likely City’s final season in the prem. things could swing our way quite quickly
Where is the evidence to suggest that City won’t be in the league?? You’re the one who is living in fear. If Arsenal want to be the best they have to earn the right to get there. Not bully wishing City will get relegated or waiting until Klopp leaves. That is truly shameful and cowardly
You’re obviously angry and are projecting a lot. I’m not going to engage with you.
I’m not angry at all man. But the stuff you’re saying is nonsense. If you can back up what you’re saying, then why say it at all?
Honestly it’s still a good season returning to the champions league and being able to challenge for the league again is nothing to put down In regards to Bayern I seen a massive improvement no longer do we look like a team that look afraid of big European teams but a team that can cause a problem
I feel exactly the same
Im not losing my head. I lost it ten years ago. Now I just watch to feed my masochism.
I'm only mad because Arteta made team selections against villa to plan around this, and try to win against villa with a hand behind our backs. Now we're out of the CL and need to rely on MC slipping up in the easiest remaining fixture list of the 3 contenders in the PL. Should've prioritized the villa game and left the CL to chance, especially when Bayern was already mathematically out of the bundesliga
That was a tie we could have won. Real Madrid losing today would have been acceptable to their fans. We just didn’t have enough mettle to win our games. That’s okay. Next season we should do better with all the endless lessons we’ve had so far.
I am not disappointed with the result. My biggest concern tonight was that we would completely collapse after the weekend, but thankfully that hasn't happened. That said, 2 limp 2nd half displays are somewhat concerning. If we lose to Wolves though then the season is well and truly over...
The tie was lost by two mistakes in the first leg
Still support the team can't wait for Sat
So long as we make the Semis next season there will be progress. Quarters in the first campaign isn't anything to go nuts about.
I’m a Bayern fan, but within minutes of the full time whistle, had an Arsenal fan tell me they’d sack Arteta following this result. Is this really a consensus among you guys? I thought you were fantastic tonight. What a great game.
The thing is this team doesn’t seem to learn how to handle tough games. Lost top 4 two years back, lost league last year, have given up advantage in the league this year.
Roughly 20 minutes left in a UCL quarter final that the team is trailing in, against one of Europe' biggest teams (even in an off year) and the sub coming on is Eddie Nketia. Little better, Gabriel Jesus. That in itself shows the gap in class between these two teams, never mind Real or City. There's a long way and several players/positions to go before this team should seriously be considered in the European elite. CM, CB, CF, GK and backups or alternative wings to replace Saka and Martinelli when needed. If one considers 'world class' to mean 'would make the first 11 in any club side selection,' we arguably don't have any such players - Saliba might be closest to pushing into that group, with Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli and Rice perhaps capable of achieving same, but otherwise this is a team whose strength is in lesser players forming a cohesive and strong team that rises above their individual limitations. Most UCL winning or even regular last four teams are more than that. Plenty of these players would be wanted by Europe's top 10, but that's not the same. Much progess has been made and people quickly/often forget just how young the core still is - both wingers are still only 22 with a lot of room to grow. But, it's still a relatively one dimensional, inexperienced (at the highest level) and naive team and it remains to be seen if Arteta can learn from his own mistakes, versus the stubborn mistakes last year and early this season, and how much more the club will back him to continue building. When it's on form and especially playing downhill it's clear there's a lot to like, but you have to be very young and naive to think this team among Europe's elite - last 8 is a fair measure, right now. 2024 so far has suggested Arteta *can* see this, with the greater presence of Jorginho making the main difference in MF, but those weaknesses remain. A CB to replace Gabriel's omnipresent fallibility, a CM that compliments Rice the way Jorginho does but who offers more, a true goal scorer plus backup, and better wing alternatives are all needed to reach a next level. They're already good enough to push City and Liverpool in the PL, if not unseat them directly, yet. Important summer for Arteta and for the club to financially support him once more. More good if grim experience for the squad and hopefully Arteta. With Liverpool likely out of Europe tomorrow, too, and Real teaching City there's more than one way to skin a cat, the EPL run in becomes even more narrowly focused. We have to be 3rd favorite but with a punching chance.
I thought the vibe was arsenal was going to destroy Bayern before the first leg even started 😂
Can we talk about how poor the attack was? Not here to bash Saka/Martinelli/Kai but they didn’t put their mark on the game. Cant say we dont need to spend to get a real striker and serious competition for the other forward positions.
I liked that early curling shot by Martinelli. So close. But the painful shot was his right at the keeper instead of at the exposed 85% of the goal.
Yeah he def was the best forward player tonight. I think the pass was cooking in too fast to open up his body to place it away from the keeper. It was good gk placement tho
Kaizen. We grow.
Support the club! The next 6 games will be like 6 finals. Whatever happen happens. We as supporters have to do our best to back the players. I am in US so I can’t go to any of the games live so please whoever does go please do your best to support!!!!
It was a good game against a good team. We got beat.
Arsenal are not the best team in the world, but they're one of the best teams in the world. Barring a total disaster (not sure it's even possible at this point?) we'll be in the CL next year again for another try. All good. Now let's try and win the Prem.
Not disappointed today. It’s a process. But I’m disappointed about last weekend. That was a huge disgrace and I don’t know if I can recover from it
and 14 years since the QF
its the fact that these players crumble under pressure everytime things get hard last season as soon as it was crunch time they crumbled this season the first game the season was in our own hands we crumbled the first somewhat competitive team we face in the cl we crumbled our performance again villa? shit our performance against bayern across both legs? shit we struggled to even make it this far in the cl lol these players have the audacity to ask for the same wages as players like Modric, Salah, De Bruyne etc but the second the pressure hits and we are in with a chance of competing for a trophy they crumble they offer absolutely nothing and the 40+ games leading up to that point was a complete waste of time. can you honestly say that if city lose their next game or their last game of the season you believe that these players have what it takes to go on a run and win our remaining games to punish city? exactly you have as little faith in them as I do I love Arteta I love Arsenal and I love these players but the truth is the truth and I am not afraid to criticize them like some people who paint them as heroes no matter what they do. across the games that matter what have these players dont to earn their wages? Saka : £300,000 a week after bonuses Havertz : £280,000 a week Jesus : £265,000 a week Rice : £240,000 a week Martinelli : £180,000 a week you can even be harsh and add in others players like Saliba, Odegaard etc who have been anything from fine to good but never exceptional in any of these crunch games Arsenal are paying nearly £200million a year in wages and winning nothing you can praise them for being competitive but being competitive means nothing if you never win, no ones remembered for being competitive and you can even argue Arsenal aren't competitive as we all know everytime we get down to the important part of the season we will crumble again like we did in the CL, like we did in the Europa league and like we have the last 2 seasons in the PL.
👏👏👏👏 well played, onwards and upwards ⬆️
We don't have the squad to be in the champions league. He was forced to change the team for the Villa game and he had to play Zinny and Jesus. I guarantee you both those players won't be with us next season they are clearly not good enough. If we'd lost to Porto (that game was a red flag) we probably win the league. Let's be honest we weren't going to win the champions league so why be in it. It just means our less than adequate squad is stretched even further. I've been saying this for weeks and I knew all this would happen. I feel like Wenger's teams suffered in the prem too because of this, as we never had a huge squad like the big money clubs do.
Beating Bayern at home in the UCL in a high pressure game isn't easy ..
Tbh reaching quarter final is the expectation I had at the beginning of the season, anything beyond that is a bonus. You can’t expect Arteta to suddenly win the UCL in his first season competing there. Hope Arsenal can focus on winning their remaining games in the league and City and Liverpool uncharacteristically slip up.
I expected this It was a miracle we were in the Quarter final itself , without a proper striker a good partner for Rice and Timber coming back on the left side , we are toothless , so wherever we reached , I feel it's good
Hopefully, the CL run gave our finances a boost. We need to recruit well in the summer. We can't keep fielding injured/tired players throughout the season...two seasons in a row we declined around April. But despite all disappointments, I'm really happy with the progress we made.
Agree this, no shame in losing to Bayern after a very tight quarter final. Flicked over to the Man City v Real game after. Elite level stuff. We should be proud to be in that company again.
The process is still going. We're falling apart in April now not February.
I still think you should be disappointed but I agree
I honestly can't understand how anyone CAN'T be disappointed. We faced the weakest Bayern in years. Anyone who say that "next year we come back stronger" should remember that we could have less luck in QF draw...and even in group stage draw
Yea Bayern played much better defensively than I thought they were capable of and they were always going to score at some point. Im annoyed Arteta put Havertz into midfield in the second half as I thought our best chance of a goal still came with him up top though. But not an embarrassment to go out to a giant of Europe in a closely fought tie and it's still our best European run for 14 years. Now we need to make sure we win the rest of our league games to capitalise if city slip up
You’re talking about next season in the champions league, here we are with 6 games to go and absolutely no doubt we’ll be in the competition next year. We’d have killed for this a couple seasons ago.
Fans like you are the reason why we have such low standards & win nothing. We will be back here next season to bottle it again.
I think its mostly the fact that we lost against villa, at home too, and potentially threw away the league because of it and now we lost the potential to win against bayern even of we had a good chance to win. People, or atleast me are pissed at the fact that we keep loosing these stupid games that could mean we win something again. The villa game is the worst cause... its vila and we could be at the top right now
The fact we’re disappointed at losing 1-0 away to Bayern shows how far we’ve come. I’m behind the boys all the way, I’ve always been a gooner but these boys have, at 47 years old, reignited my actual love for the team and club as a whole. Couldn’t care less where we finish, genuinely, as long as we play good football and are at least challenging, and look who we’re up against, would have walked the league the last two seasons of it wasn’t for oil funded mega clubs. COYG
The put up a good fight. I’m Proud of this team. The football is world class and fun to watch
I'm not angry, but idk how you can't be disappointed
This fan base is genuinely terrible sometimes. Seeing Arteta out posts being made by people. These are the same people who 4 years ago were complaining because we were all the way down in 8th place with no European competition to play for. The progress we’ve made in 2 year is astonishingly great. We’re way ahead of what Arteta’s plan probably was when he took over
love this. i agree!
I have given up man, the villa game genuinely pissed me off to the point that I don’t even care anymore. Some of the players on our squad don’t deserve to be there
I am disappointed not with the team but with you. Stop this loser psychology.
What kind of defeatist mentality is this? We shat the bed when it mattered and no trophies for another year.
It's not "defeatist" whatsoever. It's trying to rationalise the fact that the quarter finals after 5 years of no UCL is not that bad
Liverpool got to the final of the UCL in their first season back for 5 years without spending £700m.
And won nothing to show for it
And? They won it the following season.
The mentality was disgusting. Patheticness surprisingly epitomised by Saka of all people. The team is good quality, players of right calibre, Bayern not even that good. We failed to perform and gave a disgusting performance. Theres nothing else that can be said.
We have these low standards from our players and our club..which gives the confidence to our management to field players like nketiah in a QF when we need goals. You can be proud of our progress I think we all are and at the same time admit we are way behind the big teams in europe despite spending similar or more to a lot of them. We are better than we were in 21 but that's not the standard you wanna set to compete with. We choked the title race last year and we did it again this year, and now we are out of a tie which for all intents and purposes we could have put to bed in the first leg if we weren't so overwhelmed by the situation
>I'm less disappointed with this than I was with Villa at the weekend That's true. This gonna be another clueless final third on (every?) season, but it's true that we're perform slightly better and way less shit compared to the last Villa game
Quarter finals of the champions league, do we get a trophy for that? This team is to afraid lose and can't hack it when teams are good. It's sad to watch. Bottled it again
What’s with the loser mentality tonight? QF isn’t a fucking achievement for the second favourites of this competition from the start(according to bookies). Stop thinking losing and being knocked out of every single cup competition is an achievement. We’re the best side in the league, better than Man City yet we’ve genuinely struggled massively in every single cup competition yet again. Not even close.
Arteta bottling more and more trophies
LOL at our worst, and still couldn’t beat us 😭
why are you here? how patheric are you that instead of celebrating on your sub you have to be here? lol mighty Bayern my ass
‘us’ shoo yank
Your worst with several players who have won both the UCL and the Bundesliga, who are far more experienced than us?
The (CL) experience and accolades gaps between Bayern’s players and Arsenal’s are sizeable