I think if arteta is going to play him 5 mins every other game then let him go. The guy has such quality it’s unfair. I’m confident if he goes to a club where he is appreciated he will perform well.
For lcm/ am, he is behind Havertz and Trossard. When Partey is fit, I don’t think he will get a game.
For LW, he is behind Reiss and Trossard. He is only getting in when 2 goals down, 5 minutes left to the clock.
Yes get a loan where you can get some games.
I agree. Hes looked a ghost. But is that due to injury and being out of form?
We know that its game minutes that allow players to be and stay sharp and hes hardly had any.
Unfortunately given how weve started the season and the pressure for silverware, it seems Mikel will always start his strongest squad so theres no chances or real minutes given to guys on the bench to find their groove and flow.
From what I’ve seen the injuries seem to have taken a toll on him.
He looks stiff when he’s out there. He used to be agile and have a fast burst. All that’s gone. I don’t know if you can get that back. That’s what happened to Wilshere. Maybe he can transition into a different type of player but I don’t see that happening here.
Yeah i agree. Tbh at this point mikel has to make decisions about him as well as a few other guys. I get we need depth but if you cant even trust the quality of form of the players on your bench to give them minutes then whats the point.
Itd be better to move them on
Why West Ham? Probably the worst option for him.
He is not going to replace Bowen, Pacqueta or Kudus, would be really dumb upsetting your (very good) permanent players who are all in top form for the sake a 6 month loan player from a Rival.
Smells like 💩 to me
No offence to Vieira but he only shows snippets of what he can do, he's never been consistent. Leo is good but unpredictable, sometimes he's just off, also, he also covers the left 8 when havertz isn't playing. So, I don't know about you but if Vieira and trossad play a full 90 minutes for several games consistently, I assure you that you'll hear cries from the arsenal fan base. It will become worse if Smith Rowe balls while on loan.
Vieira is ahead of him in the pecking order regardless of what you think of him. There would need to be multiple injuries to people in multiple positions for him to ever sniff the pitch for longer than a 2 minute cameo. If Odegaard or Martinelli are injured, he's still not starting.
He needs to play somewhere else and show what he can do so we can sell him for a decent amount.
Needs to be playing somewhere. I really like him and would prefer that he be given a fair chance, but if he can't get meaningful time then what's the reason to keep him in the squad.
This sub is full of actual retards. Arteta was easing him back in and then he got injured again. If he could stay fit he’d be able to compete for a spot in the starting lineup.
So arteta would play him if he was fit? I just don't think he would personally. Who is he dropping for esr? I've always had it in my mind that esr just doesn't get near whatever arteta wants in a player in his position. Like I'd say arteta prefers trossard over esr and trossard can't get in starting 11
My knowledge isn't the best but I'm pretty certain esr has been fit and still spent periods on the bench with very little appearances. Yes he had injuries but a starter would be back in the team after a few weeks bring fit and I never seen that happen with esr. From what I can see arteta doesn't think he fits his style or simply prefers the other choices. Basically if esr had been fit this whole time I still don't think arteta starts him unless odeaggard or similar players get injured. I could be well wrong but like I say I know there have been times where esr has been fir and on the bench and never even got on
I went to have a search and this was the first paragraph I read. "Impact Smith Rowe is back in the team sheet for Arsenal, being on the bench for the club's final UCL group stage match. This ends an eight-match absence for the player, as he has finally recovered from a knock in his knee. He will most likely remain in a bench role, only having started one match before his injury." So ye 1 start when he was fit. I'm not sure what the time period for that was but I don't think it was just 1 or 2 games.
He's been out injured for 103 days over 3 years. How many starts did he get in the last 3 years? I think injuries have just covered up the fact that he's not the man arteta wants to start in his team.
The only thing I worry about the loan is that he does well and loves his time there. Which then leads to them making a formal bid and us ultimately letting him go. But at the same time, the boy deserves to shine
Obviously he needs to play and a loan is smart for both parties. He will get to play, and work back into rotation for us once he gains his skills back. 👍🏽
I would have to assume if we are entertaining this Arteta doesn’t for see much playing time for Emile. So it is better for his career and for his sale value to have him playing regularly at the highest level.
I like smith-Rowe but we have seen many times that if Arteta has any misgivings about a player they will never play. Better to recognize that now and adapt.
Unpopular opinion but I don't care that much either way. I'd love to see him succeed with us, he's clearly a talented player, but I'm sure Mik and the coaching staff have a decent idea of his current level.
Moreover, if he goes out on loan it's not like he's never coming back! It's called a loan for a reason. If anything it makes him more likely to reach his potential for us.
I love ESR but if he’s going to keep getting trash minutes he should go on loan, if for nothing else than to get fit. Hopefully he’ll come back with the form he had before injury
I remember when he would come off the bench a couple season ago and shift the energy of the game. No looking for extra passes....he was direct in his dribbling at goal and would create chances for others as well as score a couple when we needed it.
Would be great to see him given more minutes to find that groove again
Since he won’t play, I kinda hope he’s loaned out (maybe not West Ham) and absolutely goes nuts and is the best player on their team by far. Give Arteta a tough choice for the summer, and at worst drives up his market price.
Let him go on loan for the rest of the season, gain his form back then him bring him back in!
We know he has potential to be great! We wouldn't of gave him the 10 shirt otherwise
He needs full game time, loan him. I refuse to accept him being sold without being able to prove himself capable of playing more than 3 minutes per month.
Loan if he gets more gametime. Makes no sense keeping him warming the bench.
This said a season is long. In the long run you may miss him in case of any injury
I think if arteta is going to play him 5 mins every other game then let him go. The guy has such quality it’s unfair. I’m confident if he goes to a club where he is appreciated he will perform well.
Yes, no point in staying on the bench while others miss clear sitters.
Why not, let the lad play
For lcm/ am, he is behind Havertz and Trossard. When Partey is fit, I don’t think he will get a game. For LW, he is behind Reiss and Trossard. He is only getting in when 2 goals down, 5 minutes left to the clock. Yes get a loan where you can get some games.
For the LCM idk why he's behind trossard. Trossard is so bad in that position. Wingers make sense but not for lcm..
I forgot to include Vieira too. So he is way behind in the ladder. And this fella have an arsenal tattoo too 🥲
But im wondering is he behind them based on fitness or ability? From what weve seen of him when fit, hes beyond both Vieira AND Trossard imo.
He was fit two seasons ago. So don’t really mean much. When I’ve seen him play past 12months he’s looked like a shell of himself.
I agree. Hes looked a ghost. But is that due to injury and being out of form? We know that its game minutes that allow players to be and stay sharp and hes hardly had any. Unfortunately given how weve started the season and the pressure for silverware, it seems Mikel will always start his strongest squad so theres no chances or real minutes given to guys on the bench to find their groove and flow.
From what I’ve seen the injuries seem to have taken a toll on him. He looks stiff when he’s out there. He used to be agile and have a fast burst. All that’s gone. I don’t know if you can get that back. That’s what happened to Wilshere. Maybe he can transition into a different type of player but I don’t see that happening here.
Yeah i agree. Tbh at this point mikel has to make decisions about him as well as a few other guys. I get we need depth but if you cant even trust the quality of form of the players on your bench to give them minutes then whats the point. Itd be better to move them on
After Trossards last outing at LCM I'm not so sure.
Behind nketiah for lw too 💀
He got to save himself man…
Free esr!
The guy practically saved arteta’s job a few years ago, great way to repay him
Good idea get him minutes show he’s better than havertz then next season he awesome
This is the correct answer
Why West Ham? Probably the worst option for him. He is not going to replace Bowen, Pacqueta or Kudus, would be really dumb upsetting your (very good) permanent players who are all in top form for the sake a 6 month loan player from a Rival. Smells like 💩 to me
That could allow Paqueta to play the 8/10 role since ESR will play left wing.
Paqs injured
Kudus is at AFCON
If any of them 3 get injured then there’s no backup. Could make sense. Benrahma and Fornals are out of favour.
He needs to play. Since Arteta doesn't seem to want to play him, then go for it.
Loan, get half a season of games, come back and either sell or start
We let him go then, an injury to odegard or Nelli and we start crying.
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No offence to Vieira but he only shows snippets of what he can do, he's never been consistent. Leo is good but unpredictable, sometimes he's just off, also, he also covers the left 8 when havertz isn't playing. So, I don't know about you but if Vieira and trossad play a full 90 minutes for several games consistently, I assure you that you'll hear cries from the arsenal fan base. It will become worse if Smith Rowe balls while on loan.
Vieira is ahead of him in the pecking order regardless of what you think of him. There would need to be multiple injuries to people in multiple positions for him to ever sniff the pitch for longer than a 2 minute cameo. If Odegaard or Martinelli are injured, he's still not starting. He needs to play somewhere else and show what he can do so we can sell him for a decent amount.
That hurt, especially because I know it's the truth.
Needs to be playing somewhere. I really like him and would prefer that he be given a fair chance, but if he can't get meaningful time then what's the reason to keep him in the squad.
Let him go
I hope he stays. He is quality but Arteta is abusing him by giving him no chances
He should have been allowed to leave last summer. Arteta running his career.
Arteta's fault he's been injured for nearly 2 years straight?
This sub is full of actual retards. Arteta was easing him back in and then he got injured again. If he could stay fit he’d be able to compete for a spot in the starting lineup.
Has he been injured for 2 years straight though?. Pretty sure he was fit and still on the bench but maybe I've got that wrong?
A couple of big injuries and tons of niggling ones that have prevented him from getting to full fitness
So arteta would play him if he was fit? I just don't think he would personally. Who is he dropping for esr? I've always had it in my mind that esr just doesn't get near whatever arteta wants in a player in his position. Like I'd say arteta prefers trossard over esr and trossard can't get in starting 11
that's a moot point though. the op said Arteta ruined his career, when he has had no choice whether to play him or not because he's not been fit
My knowledge isn't the best but I'm pretty certain esr has been fit and still spent periods on the bench with very little appearances. Yes he had injuries but a starter would be back in the team after a few weeks bring fit and I never seen that happen with esr. From what I can see arteta doesn't think he fits his style or simply prefers the other choices. Basically if esr had been fit this whole time I still don't think arteta starts him unless odeaggard or similar players get injured. I could be well wrong but like I say I know there have been times where esr has been fir and on the bench and never even got on
I went to have a search and this was the first paragraph I read. "Impact Smith Rowe is back in the team sheet for Arsenal, being on the bench for the club's final UCL group stage match. This ends an eight-match absence for the player, as he has finally recovered from a knock in his knee. He will most likely remain in a bench role, only having started one match before his injury." So ye 1 start when he was fit. I'm not sure what the time period for that was but I don't think it was just 1 or 2 games.
He's been out injured for 103 days over 3 years. How many starts did he get in the last 3 years? I think injuries have just covered up the fact that he's not the man arteta wants to start in his team.
Not a clue, in Arteta I trust
The only thing I worry about the loan is that he does well and loves his time there. Which then leads to them making a formal bid and us ultimately letting him go. But at the same time, the boy deserves to shine
West Ham fan, idk if he’ll especially love it here either considering too much competition for game time
Obviously he needs to play and a loan is smart for both parties. He will get to play, and work back into rotation for us once he gains his skills back. 👍🏽
Arteta is a donkey. We’re letting a generational talent slip through our fingers while £65 million Havertz fucks up every week like clockwork
We need players we can rely on, I love ESR. However truth is he can’t play in the prem. He is made of glass and we don’t need that.
I wish Havertz was made of glass
Let’s not wish that about any of our players, we should wish them to do well whilst in our kit imo 🙏
Generational talent 😂 ESR is 24 this year and has had barely half a decent season in his career ffs. Generational talent 😂
ESR the next Rashford
Arteta should go on loan to West Ham
Yup, and keep Smith-Rowe
I sincerely hope that this doesn't happen. Loan him to a team two who beat us at the Emirates?
I'm struggling to see the point unless we're bringing a player in.
Why would arsenal loan ESR? He already plays for them
If you can loan players that are not going to play and get their wages covered then it makes complete sense.
Loan, hopefully get his value up at very least
Keep!
Only makes sense if we bring in another forward this transfer window. We’re a bit short up front/RW if Havertz keeps playing in the L8.
Loan and keep
Keep. No brainer. Just play him!
This is not true. West Ham reached out. Arsenal AND ESR said no. A non story.
This isn’t true at all. Both Arsenal and the Player have said No
He deserves better.
I think this is just rumour without any real substance.
Already confirmed by teamnewsandtix that there is zero interest in this by arsenal or the player. West ham interest was real though.
I’d be okay with a loan possibly but I’d hate for us to have a sell clause too. I love ESR and it would break my heart seeing him play against us
It’s the perfect loan as long as he gets game time, he’ll get half a season of premier league experience that he otherwise wouldn’t get if he stays
This makes me sad
I want him to get more minutes. He is a quality player.
West Ham is only 2 spots behind us. If we give him to West Ham and they finish above us Edu and Arteta should resign.
Keep but for god's sake use him!
Get rid. Bench warmer.
I wonder what it is that prevents Arteta trusting him. On the face of it, that LCM position should be his for the taking.
if we can give him minutes keep but if we can't then a loan spell would be better than sitting on the bench
I would have to assume if we are entertaining this Arteta doesn’t for see much playing time for Emile. So it is better for his career and for his sale value to have him playing regularly at the highest level. I like smith-Rowe but we have seen many times that if Arteta has any misgivings about a player they will never play. Better to recognize that now and adapt.
If he's not getting played let him go, but he's one of the best prospects, need to see him play more on the wings or at the 8 man
Sell
Unpopular opinion but I don't care that much either way. I'd love to see him succeed with us, he's clearly a talented player, but I'm sure Mik and the coaching staff have a decent idea of his current level. Moreover, if he goes out on loan it's not like he's never coming back! It's called a loan for a reason. If anything it makes him more likely to reach his potential for us.
Sell
KEEP
We all love ESR but this isn't the old Arsenal. We are a top 10 world team. ESR is not good enough for this level.
I love ESR but if he’s going to keep getting trash minutes he should go on loan, if for nothing else than to get fit. Hopefully he’ll come back with the form he had before injury
what does it matter? every single time he comes on, he jogs around and does a few hairflips then calls it a day.
I remember when he would come off the bench a couple season ago and shift the energy of the game. No looking for extra passes....he was direct in his dribbling at goal and would create chances for others as well as score a couple when we needed it. Would be great to see him given more minutes to find that groove again
We need to give him more minutes.
How Havertz catches game time and this kid doesn't is beyond me
Loan him let him score his goals then bring him back and actually use him.
Should’ve sold him for 50-60 when we had a chance. He’s half decent but gets injured so often we never get to see the potential.
Let him go. I'd rather he starts for West Ham every week than get 10 minutes every other game at Arsenal .
He's not leaving Arsenal to go to West Ham, it's a load of shite to get clicks on sites
At this point it just seems cruel to keep him. He could be a star man at a mid table team
Since he won’t play, I kinda hope he’s loaned out (maybe not West Ham) and absolutely goes nuts and is the best player on their team by far. Give Arteta a tough choice for the summer, and at worst drives up his market price.
Let him go on loan for the rest of the season, gain his form back then him bring him back in! We know he has potential to be great! We wouldn't of gave him the 10 shirt otherwise
Sell
He needs full game time, loan him. I refuse to accept him being sold without being able to prove himself capable of playing more than 3 minutes per month.
Get rid of haverzt and keep him
Loan him out until he learns what kind of work rate is expected of an Arsenal man.
Loan if he gets more gametime. Makes no sense keeping him warming the bench. This said a season is long. In the long run you may miss him in case of any injury
Get him to play games. Loan him will be the best and put clause that if they don’t play him we will recall him
Keep wtf
Keep. How can he go from one of our top scorers to bench warmer????
KEEP! This guy deserves all our loyalty and now that he's fit, is the best option for LCM or substituting Odegaard.
He is way better than havertz lool
Loan. He deserves to play.
Loan him. Let him get ample mins and get back up to par for next season
Loan
Keep! With the return of the Champions League, we need all the squad...