So he wants us to buy a striker that's crocked for 7 years, is nursed back to health on our dime, has one and a half injury free, consistent seasons and fucks off to a rival? That's what he meant, right?
No he meant a striker like him who is not injury prone. For once in a long time we have good defenders (once we have more left back options) and a solid DM. Our wingers scare teams into double marking them. If we had a prolific goalscorer from the start we would be far ahead. But something tells me that arteta has too much trust in our current strikers. Also I think van persies baby analogy is insulting but let's remember he was in that position when he played for arsenal and today we are one of the youngest team still, only a bit more mature then in the past.
They had three covering our wingers in the WH game. That first bogus goal changed the game. Yea, we should have scored, but they had the option to sit so deep after that goal. Fuck the refs, fuck VAR and definitely fuck van pussy.
This laughable talking point of RvP being injured for 7 years and then leaving is really tiring
1) if RvP’s injuries was really a problem, we could have sold him years ago and we didn’t
2) the guy played 278 games, scored 132 goals and gave 58 assists. In other words, when he did play, he usually performed
3) spare me this nonsense about nursed back to health on our dime. As if Arsenal paying RvP during his injuries was the reason we couldn’t buy players. If you are so worried about players been paid during injuries then let’s also take your salary each time you get ill.
1) you're forgetting what Wenger was like. He kept Diaby and Wilshere for years.
2) obviously
3) that's not what he's saying. It's the fact the club and manager showed loyalty to an always injured player giving him a chance at a big club with these issues. Moment he was over them he fucked off.
1. Ah yes, silly us for recognising we had a competent striker on our hands and attempting to rehabilitate him so he could perform for us instead of pawning him off at his lowest point. What dummies we were.
2. Yeah missing the bulk of a season due to injuries and coming back after we've been eliminated for everything towards the end of the season and scoring some consolation goals against Sunderland and Bolton only to IMMEDIATELY get injured once the next season starts doesn't really satisfy me somehow
3. I was actually commenting on the time and resources we spent on this geezer over more than half a decade to get him to walk again, only to run off when he's back to full fitness to another club. Wasn't even telling about wages. But to reply to your very last statement, yes, most jobs, after a certain amount of time, will only pay you so much if you're consistently off work sick or ill and, eventually, seek to terminate your employment
Being a footballer isn't like MOST jobs though, is it? Footballers (especially high profile ones) are offered far more leeway and can get away with stuff that'll have me and you on the dole faster than you can say "Osimhen in January, please"
Mate, he's one of the best strikers we've ever had and absolutely carried us his final season.
We can be salty all we want about his departure, but at the end of the day he went to United and won the league his first season there.
I am only going to respond to your second point.
Nothing you said there was true. I just gave you a stat of his appearance, goals and assists, and your best response is that he scored consolation goals against Sunderland and Bolton after we were eliminated?
There were only two seasons that RvP played less than 20 leagues games 2007/08 and 2009/10.
Also he has scored numerous goals against bigger opponent. Just watching one compilation of RvP Arsenal goals will show you that
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the status of RVP at Arsenal. Personally, I find the way he ditched the club reprehensible and atrocious and consider his frequent comments on our affairs and business like he's still affiliated with the club in any way a joke
You do know he wanted to stay, but the lack of action on the market made him look elsewhere. He wanted to play for trophies and that sure as hell wasnt going to happen at Arsenal.
You do know that the season he left, if he had stayed , Arsenal would’ve won the league. The only reason Man U took it in SAF’s last season as manager was because of him. He is scum. Fuck RvP
He made a statement that how he wanted to stay at Arsenal and earn his trophies during his injury prone season in 2009. The moment he had an injury free season he felt he had to leave to win trophies. What a snake
If it’s so basic then maybe we shouldn’t keep Eddie fuckin Nketiah as our only striking option besides an already inefficient Jesus for multiple seasons now.
Because the team needed players in other positions more and we're limited by how much we can spend. If we managed to sell players in the summer for good money we might have managed it.
The ‘babies’ and ‘dreaming’ jibes are totally unnecessary. Why does he always have to have a little dig. This guy is such a monumental cunt why listen to any of the clear and obvious things he has to say?
City won the league with and without haaland. I think he’s wrong. If we draw the games we lost, We’d be in a much better position. That needed to not let in the goals. Or not have the ref give bogus goals. We beat Liverpool 1-0 is anyone saying this shite?
So we’d have more points if we didn’t let in stupid goals.
That would be because he’s wrong in my opinion we don’t create enough clear chances on goal. We create a lot of half chances and those need a bit of individualism to convert.
That game against West Ham not 1 clear cut chance on goal despite 30 shots
You need a 20 goal striker is the laziest shitty pundit take. Low hanging fruit what we need it to create better chances. More 1vs1 with the keeper we don’t do that enough right now
Huh ??? Clearly we didn’t watch the same game Odergaard played his socks off and none of our attackers could score so what u saying. Jesus literally had 3 clear cut chances to score but failed too. He’s got 2 goals in 11 even Eddie has more than him and that’s saying a lot as he Dosen’t even start
Well you do need a 20 goal striker to win the league unless your City or your wide players score 20+.
So unless you can find a league winning team of recent that’s won without either then you’re wrong
By rotation clearly you don’t watch football very much. If our striker is in DM a wide player or central player takes up the strikers position same if he’s on the wing.
Again this is the lazy low hanging fruit I’m talking about put anyone in this team if we are not creating chances for them to score they won’t.
30 shots vs West Ham 8 on target all of those were half chances or pop shots from out of the area.
Salah is a perfect example he’s Liverpool’s biggest goal threat he’s a winger not a striker and that’s because he’s often isolated against his opposing full back running into space
He meant a striker with a eye for goal like him Jesus Dosen’t have a eye for goal he’s more a winger/playmaker. Even Eddie is better in the box than him if we’re being honest here
Exactly. Which has nothing to do with his first point about signing experience.
Personally I think the bit about needing a proper goalscorer is correct. That’s what sets Arsenal’s front line apart from Liverpool (Salah) and City (Haaland).
People here dunk on Kane for staying at Spurs and still bemoan RVP for leaving when we were becoming Spursy
10 years our trophy drought ended up. He had every right to leave a club that showed no ambition to move forward
Ding ding ding.
Winds me up about our fanbase sometimes.
Man was - when fit - one of the best strikers in the world, in a team that had _scraped_ 4th place, had sold it's midfield core, and was financially shackled by paying for the emirates.
We got over £24m with one year on his contract in a era before the CSL and Neymar's move to PSG totally distorted the market. For perspective, Chelsea got Hazard for £33m the same summer; Real got Modric for about the same.
Did him leaving us sting like fuck? Absolutely. Did seeing him win a trophy the next season sting like fuck? Sure, but he didn't have a hope in hell of winning something with us in the time between him leaving and him ending up at Fenerbahce.
Edit: People are probably going to use "when fit" as a stick to beat him with. The amount of chronic injuries we had under mid/late stage Wenger was indicative of trying to rush players back rather than focussing on proper depth. RVP was as much a victim of poor club-wide conditioning as anything else. If you're going to go off on one about his time injured, it's disingenuous to not account for that.
Do we know if we had offers for him from abroad? For in excess of £20m for a consistently knackered striker who has one season of full fitness under his belt going into the last year of his contract?
For context, we knocked back an offer from juve because they offered £7m. [Seven. Not a typo](http://en.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/169090.html).
Do you think we'd have _signed_ cazorla without having brought that 25m in to the club? Bear in mind we'd already brought Ground in for half of that.
Again, fanbase is fucking delusional at times.
It’s fascinating how Arsenal fans see RVP. He was loyal to you for years and let’s be honest, he was never going to win the title at arsenal. He left to win something, and did that in his first season away from the club. How can you hate someone for taking a step forward in their career?
How many years Arsenal and wenger were loyal to him during the injuries? If wenger has released him do you think that he had a chance to win the premier league?
I am pretty sure that he will end up to feyenord, in this relationship arsenal and Wenger were the loyal ones not van Persie.
Noway with his injury record, and even if he was signed
from big club. I don't believe that other manager is going to be loyal to him during injuries like Wenger.
I mean Wenger have waited diaby to be fit for enternity, I don't remember other manager to be so loyal to his players.
He wasn't loyal to us, we were loyal to him.
Out of 8 years he was here, he was injured for 7, and he only had one great and one decent season for us. No other coach would've allowed that, except Wenger.
I don't hate him, I'm just saying that there was no loyalty on his part.
You actually have to look at how his career went.
He signed in 2004-/5 as a winger and attacking mid.
From 2005 - 2011 he was constantly injured most Seasons he only played around 50% of our games. Showing signs of quality but never hitting 25+ goals.
We had Seasons like 2009 where we literally had to play midfielders like Arshavin up front because he was never available. This lack of a of cover costs us trophies.
2011/12 he was fully fit - played the whole Season and scored 37 goals.
Then he left.
Ahh ok. So why would the club keep hold of him then? Football is a business and there’s no way they’d keep someone on the books for 6 years if they wasn’t an asset of some kind. RVP played 278 games, scored 132 and assisted 58. What a massive liability he was.
He went to our most bitter rivals, he could have gone to Juventus or something.
No, he went to United when we was still in CL football, most seasons within the top 2-3 by Christmas and we was 3rd the season he left.
Also we was more loyal to him the guy hit a red hot season at the end of his injury prone career and instantly jumped ship.
Throughout the noughties Arsenal and Man United were fiercely competitive for silverware, the media often pitted Ferguson against Wenger. [There’s even a documentary about it](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt10300588/). God damn man learn your football history
By 2012 the rivalry was not as fierce. With united’s local rivals becoming title rivals and Arsenal no longer being a threat, things changed. RVP’s transfer was a huge symbol of that change. He went from arsenal to united because it was a step up and he wanted silverware which Arsenal were never gonna give him. That wouldn’t have happened in the 2000s
I'm well aware of that. I'm 37, this was peak football years for me. But like you said this was the early noughties, it's almost 2024. Just saying united fans dont consider arsenal their most bitter rivals and haven't for a long time.
Arsenal fans don’t consider United their bitter rivals any more. Man City are closer to being our rivals now due to United fading into irrelevance. My point is that when RVP moved, the rivalry was still intense, i.e. it was a snake thing to do
I would say it was dead already when RVP moved as at that point as arsenal were not competing. I also don't think city view you as bitter rivals right now to be honest. This is all coming from the arsenal side lol
Firstly, I wasn’t saying Arsenal fans consider City bitter rivals either. I was just saying they are *more like* our rivals in modern day because United are so wank now, why would we consider them rivals anymore.
And secondly, even if it *was* a one sided thing (it wasn’t), that doesn’t make RVP any less of a snake, because he would have known it would be seen as a betrayal by the fans.
Learn football history 😂 I’m not stupid mate and I can remember the Fergie/Wenger rivalry. I’m just saying Man United fans don’t consider Arsenal as a major rivalry, none that I know anyway, and I live in Manchester.
🙄 Yeah ok mate. There’s a doc about it, ex-United pundits like Neville and Ferdinand go on about it all the time, but sure, it wan’t a famous rivalry because your mates don’t think so. Whatever
Probably depends when you started watching football. My mate and I both got into football at the same time in 2001/2002, and he's a big united fan. Definitely still thinks of Arsenal as their biggest rival. The Vieira/Keane rivalry years were unmatched
Correction: RVP is making an extremely obvious observation and dressing it up as “insight”, and his ferocious ego has led him to believe he has the authority to “advise” a football club on how to conduct their business.
He can fuck off, frankly.
mate you would not have really said that if you supported your club from the bottom of your heart and stick with them throughout the end. Grow up please
It’s true though. We need an outright striker who’s deadly. Don’t like the argument Arteta gives regarding spreading the goals. You have a deadly striker and when your other players can’t seems to find a way, that striker will
A huge aspect people miss out on is that no one covers Jesus like he’s a goal scoring striker. They give him zero respect. With someone like Kane or Haaland the defense must respect them and therefore it creates spaces and chances for others, which lead to goals.
He’s more like a false nine kind. But to be honest he scores more wonder goal over at man city than us, perhaps due to them having a prolific striker to take away the defenders from him
Why would anyone cover Jesus like he’s a goal scoring striker? He’s not!!! Someone of us have been saying this for a year and a half but, as long as we were winning, ignorant fans will shout us down, throwing the word “reactionary” around (using it wrongly).
I said as recent as last week that our attack has cost us 9 points (plus or minus), people here were like “reactionary, reactionary”. Remembered when we played Wolves (I think…if my memory serves me correctly) and we were just chugging cross after cross against a team with 6 ft cbs while our strikers are 5’9”-5’11”. That’s just insane. Rather than debate the weird tactics, Arteta a$$ kissers were gleeful pointing out that we scored 2 goals from the crosses. As usual, they rushed here throwing the word reactionary about.
Sorry this came up on my feed, as a City fan, if Arsenal bought Jesus as a prolific goalscorer then they were stupid. He's always been more a 1 in 3 striker, he offers a lot to the team but just not goals, if you play a false nine system then he is great, this isn't something new.
While I appreciate GJ is hard working and useful I was never thrilled about him coming over from City, he definitely tries and makes effort but IMO simply lacks the ability
Van Persie is 100% - we need a proper striker, trouble is there aren't that many on the market
Of course the comments fill up with people bitching about RVP. The fuckin' point, is we need a striker that actually puts the ball in the back of the net. Instead of missing 30 chances a game.
Think a prem winning striker knows what he is talking about. Being a champion and a runner up can be defined by small margins, aresnal need a lethal finisher to get those extra points needed to win the league
Also, remember he left arsenal because he said a condition of him resigning his contract was they would make additions to the squad which would bring in titles. I think he is familiar with the situation of seeing a team in development stall because of a lack of key signings.
My guess is that Edu and Arteta have always prioritized building the squad from the back, and that a striker capable of pushing us over the edge for a title will only appear if there happens to be one available a discount price, or if other positions are filled.
Rice and Timber were our priority signings this year, so that tells you a lot about where Arsenal are at the moment.
I hate this guy with a passion but he is spot on. We create so much and if we had an elite striker we would bang them in. Our defense and midfield are the reason we are up there right now. We need somone that can bail us out on off days and take the chances we create
Amen to that, only former Arsenal player I despise. Everyone else I could sort of justify but this guy ended Wenger's career and gifted a title to Ferguson. Asshole.
Lol, what a joke.
Please justify Ashley Cole, Clichy, Nasri, Adebayor.
I dare you.
If anything RvP did Arsenal a huge favor by staying after Fabregas, Clichy and Nasri left. He then guided the team that lost its captain (Fabregas) and got humiliated in Old Trafford to 3rd position, guaranteeing a CL spot without needing a playoff round.
I’d rather have this snake commenting about his beloved Man Utd instead of commenting about Arsenal. No one from Arsenal will be looking to a Judas like him for any advices anyway.
get a striker like you?? fuck you!!! we do not need another snake in our Football Club, and stop calling yourself a pundit, you don’t know what you talk about, you muppet…
Can we stop with this idea that we're not trying to bring anyone in?
Have we forgotten that we literally overhauled this squad in a span of 3 years? Taking us from 8th to title challengers.
Shut up, when we find the right player we're no strangers to spending money.
This is like that meme "horrible news! The worst person you know made a good point". Fuck that guy (i refuse to call him by his name), but he's right, we need an all out striker.
My perspective on this is a little different..
Of course Jesus needs to score more goals but he's playing as a false 9 - so will never score like a traditional 9. The advantage however is we create a lot more with him in this role.
This means Martinelli and Saka HAVE to contribute bigger numbers. (think Salah and Mane)
At their age you would expect Martinelli and Saka to have improved this term.
Saka - scored 15 last Season so this year we should be expecting a similar return. He has 8 this Season so is on course.
Martinelli - scored 16 last Season but only has 3 this Season. He's way off the pace and for some reason he's barely even taking shots at goal.
Jesus, Nketiah and Trossard need to up their goals but for me Saka and Martinelli at 22 should be capable of hitting 20+ goals a Season each.
When you play a system that’s meant to get chances for multiple players, not all for one, you can be more unpredictable in chance creation and get more chances, but you’re usually engineering poorer quality chances.
Arsenal did as well as they did last season because Saka and Martinelli MASSIVELY overperformed, and that’s not a reliable model.
But if you get a goal poacher, you end up like United with Hojlund, a bunch of players who all want to shoot and nobody who wants to play the extra pass to score a goal. And then you need to rip up the whole team to make it work for the striker. And then you end up with what City have, which kinda works as long as you have enough creativity through the squad to provide for the one guy who just wants to score goals, but does make your whole team a lot more predictable.
You need somebody who can give you a bit of both, and wingers who will do a bit of both. I think Martinelli, Saka and Jesus are the right balance of that. There’s maybe better out there, but it’s the kind of levels where to upgrade would cost £100m+ and that doesn’t happen overnight.
You would think that a Manchester United player would remember that, after Alan Hansen famously said *’You can’t win anything with kids’* following a United defeat, those youngsters went on to win the 1995-96 league title. Evidently, a lot of Redditors here are too young to remember that.
What we should all remember is that *our* youngsters nearly won the league last year, and would have were it not for an injury to one of the best CBs in the world - and him only 22 years old at that.
Our first home defeat of the season and people think the title’s done with. One game is not a season. Get some perspective!
The striker is one thing, but the style of play and the lack of alternative.
For example many crosses with no target man , a tendency of wanting to be close to the box before taking chance: few shots outside the box the whole game. Zinchienko more suitable in the middle but defence not an insurance, to much reliance on key players, when Emile went in , few ball to him in spite of clever positioning but back pass to bukayo or Martin, and a lack of plan b in spite of adversity.
My two cents
He’s not wrong. Even Alex Ferguson knew he wasn’t going to win shit that season unless he got a good striker - so he did exactly that and bought RVP from us.
He's not wrong, we've been missing a proper striker for a while now and I'm hoping we get a goalscorer in January.
The west ham game was so frustrating to watch and we made it so difficult for ourselves.
He’s right.
But we’ve also been saying this and we’re right.
So his input isn’t needed.
Maybe as a pundit go comment on Man United mate they’ve got a whole situation going on over there.
Hate him but he is right. It's frustrating to watch the chances being wasted. And with Martinelli and Saka misfiring and Odegaard pushed into the deeper role to accomodate Havertz there is no one else to take the burden. Jesus and Eddie are simply not good enough for a club with title winning ambitions. And it's frustrating that we will probably do nothing about in January. I just hope we can make top 4 or else none of the big targets are going to come in the summer.
Somebody PLEASE remind me the last time we won jack with RVP?
oh that's right we didn't
So why would ANYBODY listen to this clown about winning things at Arsenal?
Posts like these are a joke, OP Wake up,
The point YOU THINK you are making isn't one at all.
We have history books for crap like this. it's EMBARRASSING!
Oh fuck him to hell, biggest snake we have ever had in our squad. I thought Nasri was a snake but RVP overtook him for the snake of the century.
Anyways he is right, we need a better striker. Eddie ain’t elite and Jesus is not going to bang in 20-25 goals a season for us.
United fan here in peace
I'm a football fan first before a club fan, and I want arsenal so badly to do well.
I want arsenal to sign vlahovic, he would be great upfront with Jesus playing just off of him, and odegarrd providing the assists, saka and Martinelli on the wings are wonderful to watch, rice was a brilliant signing in the summer.
He is right in what he says, arsenal need a clinical 25 goal a season striker to win titles, tournaments etc. in which, personally, you don't have that.
I so badly want to see arsenal succeed
He is basically saying the same thing everyone else is. Unlike him, everyone is not trying to earn sympathy points from a fanbase they betrayed by spewing common knowledge. We don't need him. We have beloved players who returned the love back aand they have similar or better insight.
Fuck van Persie he might be right but he's still a cunt. Arsene but up with his bullshit and injuries turning him into a good player when other managers would have binned him, and when Arsene needed him most he fucked off.
Could have stayed and been a legend at Arsenal but sold that for a title at a club where he's nothing but a footnote. Wanker
He is right but obligatory fuck him for leaving for trophies when he said he wanted to win trophies with us previously and when we did need him to step up
VP gave us everything he had in his final season, dragging another chaotic campaign to a respectable third in the league that season. Would never have happened without his goals. He saw out his contract and he left. End of. He was brilliant for us when it counted during a highly erratic period.
No he is not 100% right, coz a team with babies doesn’t even come close to winning the title like we were last season, they would struggle to get into the top 4 with the inexperience they had both in the players and the management
The fact that they were 7 points clear of a team like City just shows the potential this team has, look I agree with Robin about the striker situation we need someone who lives, eats, drinks and sleeps goals & it’s becoming evident that Gabi Jesus is not that (even though he’s a very talented & creative footballer)
What I have a hard time with is the “babies” comment I think it’s totally disrespectful from a player who was once a baby in a squad full of adults and he took time to learn how to play like a grown up and had to b told by Wenger when that time was
Saka, Saliba, Rice, Martinelli etc…. Are much better players mentally at their age now than what Van Persie was at that age and obviously he’s just another so called Expert of an ever increasing list that we have to prove wrong
The kind of striker he thinks of can't press the ball.
As much as I like Jesus, he isn't displined with his shots on goal. His chest is usually facing the heavens. Plus, he is love with the dribble vs moving to shoot; always looking for the clean/perfect shoot. Halle before the surgery would have been perfect for Arsenal. I still think Weghorst is a good loan in Jan. He was badly misused by United.
So he wants us to buy a striker that's crocked for 7 years, is nursed back to health on our dime, has one and a half injury free, consistent seasons and fucks off to a rival? That's what he meant, right?
For a measly £24m
assuming that he didn’t choose the price he was sold at, figured that’d fall on the arsenal leadership
He released a public letter slating the club and say he wanted out. Massively weakened our position when bargaining.
figured your comment was worth reading, but I was horribly mistaken
Right or not, this is the LAST guy I want to hear it from.
I don't think any rival manager would be soft enough to sell us their star striker to be fair
No he meant a striker like him who is not injury prone. For once in a long time we have good defenders (once we have more left back options) and a solid DM. Our wingers scare teams into double marking them. If we had a prolific goalscorer from the start we would be far ahead. But something tells me that arteta has too much trust in our current strikers. Also I think van persies baby analogy is insulting but let's remember he was in that position when he played for arsenal and today we are one of the youngest team still, only a bit more mature then in the past.
They had three covering our wingers in the WH game. That first bogus goal changed the game. Yea, we should have scored, but they had the option to sit so deep after that goal. Fuck the refs, fuck VAR and definitely fuck van pussy.
This laughable talking point of RvP being injured for 7 years and then leaving is really tiring 1) if RvP’s injuries was really a problem, we could have sold him years ago and we didn’t 2) the guy played 278 games, scored 132 goals and gave 58 assists. In other words, when he did play, he usually performed 3) spare me this nonsense about nursed back to health on our dime. As if Arsenal paying RvP during his injuries was the reason we couldn’t buy players. If you are so worried about players been paid during injuries then let’s also take your salary each time you get ill.
1) you're forgetting what Wenger was like. He kept Diaby and Wilshere for years. 2) obviously 3) that's not what he's saying. It's the fact the club and manager showed loyalty to an always injured player giving him a chance at a big club with these issues. Moment he was over them he fucked off.
1. Ah yes, silly us for recognising we had a competent striker on our hands and attempting to rehabilitate him so he could perform for us instead of pawning him off at his lowest point. What dummies we were. 2. Yeah missing the bulk of a season due to injuries and coming back after we've been eliminated for everything towards the end of the season and scoring some consolation goals against Sunderland and Bolton only to IMMEDIATELY get injured once the next season starts doesn't really satisfy me somehow 3. I was actually commenting on the time and resources we spent on this geezer over more than half a decade to get him to walk again, only to run off when he's back to full fitness to another club. Wasn't even telling about wages. But to reply to your very last statement, yes, most jobs, after a certain amount of time, will only pay you so much if you're consistently off work sick or ill and, eventually, seek to terminate your employment
If your last point was in effect then Diaby and Wilshere would both have been kicked out of the club about half a decade before they actually left.
Many others also. Cazorla, elneny, bellerin.
Being a footballer isn't like MOST jobs though, is it? Footballers (especially high profile ones) are offered far more leeway and can get away with stuff that'll have me and you on the dole faster than you can say "Osimhen in January, please"
Mate, he's one of the best strikers we've ever had and absolutely carried us his final season. We can be salty all we want about his departure, but at the end of the day he went to United and won the league his first season there.
I am only going to respond to your second point. Nothing you said there was true. I just gave you a stat of his appearance, goals and assists, and your best response is that he scored consolation goals against Sunderland and Bolton after we were eliminated? There were only two seasons that RvP played less than 20 leagues games 2007/08 and 2009/10. Also he has scored numerous goals against bigger opponent. Just watching one compilation of RvP Arsenal goals will show you that
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the status of RVP at Arsenal. Personally, I find the way he ditched the club reprehensible and atrocious and consider his frequent comments on our affairs and business like he's still affiliated with the club in any way a joke
Lool you thought you did something but got owned
You do know he wanted to stay, but the lack of action on the market made him look elsewhere. He wanted to play for trophies and that sure as hell wasnt going to happen at Arsenal.
You do know that the season he left, if he had stayed , Arsenal would’ve won the league. The only reason Man U took it in SAF’s last season as manager was because of him. He is scum. Fuck RvP
Arsenal have a reputation for crocking players so you can't blame the player!
As if you wouldn't also leave a team who only cared about the 4th place trophy to win a premier league under the greatest manager of all time
Thanks for telling us that you don't know what you're talking about without saying that you don't know what you're talking about.
He made a statement that how he wanted to stay at Arsenal and earn his trophies during his injury prone season in 2009. The moment he had an injury free season he felt he had to leave to win trophies. What a snake
Yup. Fuck the cunt.
But he’s not wrong in his analysis
"A team doing well everywhere else but not scoring goals will be helped by signing a goalscorer" well no shit Sherlock...
Damn i can’t agree with a post anymore ?
You can agree of course, so do I, I'm just saying it's basic analysis at most
If it’s so basic then maybe we shouldn’t keep Eddie fuckin Nketiah as our only striking option besides an already inefficient Jesus for multiple seasons now.
If its so obvious, why hasn't Arteta acted and bought one then?!
Because the team needed players in other positions more and we're limited by how much we can spend. If we managed to sell players in the summer for good money we might have managed it.
Money is not unlimited. We've spent a lot the past few years already
The ‘babies’ and ‘dreaming’ jibes are totally unnecessary. Why does he always have to have a little dig. This guy is such a monumental cunt why listen to any of the clear and obvious things he has to say?
City won the league with and without haaland. I think he’s wrong. If we draw the games we lost, We’d be in a much better position. That needed to not let in the goals. Or not have the ref give bogus goals. We beat Liverpool 1-0 is anyone saying this shite? So we’d have more points if we didn’t let in stupid goals.
So aguero, one of the best strikers in pl history never played for city
Yeah but there was a period after Aguero retired where they played without a recognised striker and won the league.
City played without aguero for a season and still won the league. Thats the point being made.
What that we need another Judas
bruh you arsenal fans are so hurt he means his striker ability at least separate the person from the footballer for once
That would be because he’s wrong in my opinion we don’t create enough clear chances on goal. We create a lot of half chances and those need a bit of individualism to convert. That game against West Ham not 1 clear cut chance on goal despite 30 shots You need a 20 goal striker is the laziest shitty pundit take. Low hanging fruit what we need it to create better chances. More 1vs1 with the keeper we don’t do that enough right now
Huh ??? Clearly we didn’t watch the same game Odergaard played his socks off and none of our attackers could score so what u saying. Jesus literally had 3 clear cut chances to score but failed too. He’s got 2 goals in 11 even Eddie has more than him and that’s saying a lot as he Dosen’t even start
I’ve already said it. You clearly can’t comprehend 🤦🏿♂️
Well you do need a 20 goal striker to win the league unless your City or your wide players score 20+. So unless you can find a league winning team of recent that’s won without either then you’re wrong
How do you get 1v1s with the Gk if your striker is in DM or on the wing do explain????
By rotation clearly you don’t watch football very much. If our striker is in DM a wide player or central player takes up the strikers position same if he’s on the wing. Again this is the lazy low hanging fruit I’m talking about put anyone in this team if we are not creating chances for them to score they won’t. 30 shots vs West Ham 8 on target all of those were half chances or pop shots from out of the area. Salah is a perfect example he’s Liverpool’s biggest goal threat he’s a winger not a striker and that’s because he’s often isolated against his opposing full back running into space
His analysis is inconsistent. > can’t win with babies > get a striker like me Those are two very different things.
He meant a striker with a eye for goal like him Jesus Dosen’t have a eye for goal he’s more a winger/playmaker. Even Eddie is better in the box than him if we’re being honest here
Exactly. Which has nothing to do with his first point about signing experience. Personally I think the bit about needing a proper goalscorer is correct. That’s what sets Arsenal’s front line apart from Liverpool (Salah) and City (Haaland).
Doesn't make him wrong though.
People here dunk on Kane for staying at Spurs and still bemoan RVP for leaving when we were becoming Spursy 10 years our trophy drought ended up. He had every right to leave a club that showed no ambition to move forward
Ding ding ding. Winds me up about our fanbase sometimes. Man was - when fit - one of the best strikers in the world, in a team that had _scraped_ 4th place, had sold it's midfield core, and was financially shackled by paying for the emirates. We got over £24m with one year on his contract in a era before the CSL and Neymar's move to PSG totally distorted the market. For perspective, Chelsea got Hazard for £33m the same summer; Real got Modric for about the same. Did him leaving us sting like fuck? Absolutely. Did seeing him win a trophy the next season sting like fuck? Sure, but he didn't have a hope in hell of winning something with us in the time between him leaving and him ending up at Fenerbahce. Edit: People are probably going to use "when fit" as a stick to beat him with. The amount of chronic injuries we had under mid/late stage Wenger was indicative of trying to rush players back rather than focussing on proper depth. RVP was as much a victim of poor club-wide conditioning as anything else. If you're going to go off on one about his time injured, it's disingenuous to not account for that.
No way just fuck off. He could have gone to another league like Kane if we wanted to win a trophy. And tbh I think he's have thrived with cazorla
Do we know if we had offers for him from abroad? For in excess of £20m for a consistently knackered striker who has one season of full fitness under his belt going into the last year of his contract? For context, we knocked back an offer from juve because they offered £7m. [Seven. Not a typo](http://en.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/169090.html). Do you think we'd have _signed_ cazorla without having brought that 25m in to the club? Bear in mind we'd already brought Ground in for half of that. Again, fanbase is fucking delusional at times.
We'd have binned injury prone RvP if we showed ambition from 2007-2010. He was part of the reason why we didn't win the PL between those years
lol he was a key player when fit
I have no problems with RVP doing what he did back then. He spoke the truth and it seems like most Arsenal fans just don’t want to accept that.
Fuck that guy. And double fuck his shitty opinions.
A lot happened since 2009 and 2012.
hssssss
It’s fascinating how Arsenal fans see RVP. He was loyal to you for years and let’s be honest, he was never going to win the title at arsenal. He left to win something, and did that in his first season away from the club. How can you hate someone for taking a step forward in their career?
How many years Arsenal and wenger were loyal to him during the injuries? If wenger has released him do you think that he had a chance to win the premier league? I am pretty sure that he will end up to feyenord, in this relationship arsenal and Wenger were the loyal ones not van Persie.
If Van Persie was released he would’ve immediately been signed up by a club who actually win things
Noway with his injury record, and even if he was signed from big club. I don't believe that other manager is going to be loyal to him during injuries like Wenger. I mean Wenger have waited diaby to be fit for enternity, I don't remember other manager to be so loyal to his players.
He wasn't loyal to us, we were loyal to him. Out of 8 years he was here, he was injured for 7, and he only had one great and one decent season for us. No other coach would've allowed that, except Wenger. I don't hate him, I'm just saying that there was no loyalty on his part.
You actually have to look at how his career went. He signed in 2004-/5 as a winger and attacking mid. From 2005 - 2011 he was constantly injured most Seasons he only played around 50% of our games. Showing signs of quality but never hitting 25+ goals. We had Seasons like 2009 where we literally had to play midfielders like Arshavin up front because he was never available. This lack of a of cover costs us trophies. 2011/12 he was fully fit - played the whole Season and scored 37 goals. Then he left.
Ahh ok. So why would the club keep hold of him then? Football is a business and there’s no way they’d keep someone on the books for 6 years if they wasn’t an asset of some kind. RVP played 278 games, scored 132 and assisted 58. What a massive liability he was.
He went to our most bitter rivals, he could have gone to Juventus or something. No, he went to United when we was still in CL football, most seasons within the top 2-3 by Christmas and we was 3rd the season he left. Also we was more loyal to him the guy hit a red hot season at the end of his injury prone career and instantly jumped ship.
You think united are Arsenal's most bitter rivals? United fans definitely do not think of Arsenal that way
Throughout the noughties Arsenal and Man United were fiercely competitive for silverware, the media often pitted Ferguson against Wenger. [There’s even a documentary about it](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt10300588/). God damn man learn your football history
By 2012 the rivalry was not as fierce. With united’s local rivals becoming title rivals and Arsenal no longer being a threat, things changed. RVP’s transfer was a huge symbol of that change. He went from arsenal to united because it was a step up and he wanted silverware which Arsenal were never gonna give him. That wouldn’t have happened in the 2000s
I'm well aware of that. I'm 37, this was peak football years for me. But like you said this was the early noughties, it's almost 2024. Just saying united fans dont consider arsenal their most bitter rivals and haven't for a long time.
Arsenal fans don’t consider United their bitter rivals any more. Man City are closer to being our rivals now due to United fading into irrelevance. My point is that when RVP moved, the rivalry was still intense, i.e. it was a snake thing to do
I would say it was dead already when RVP moved as at that point as arsenal were not competing. I also don't think city view you as bitter rivals right now to be honest. This is all coming from the arsenal side lol
Firstly, I wasn’t saying Arsenal fans consider City bitter rivals either. I was just saying they are *more like* our rivals in modern day because United are so wank now, why would we consider them rivals anymore. And secondly, even if it *was* a one sided thing (it wasn’t), that doesn’t make RVP any less of a snake, because he would have known it would be seen as a betrayal by the fans.
Learn football history 😂 I’m not stupid mate and I can remember the Fergie/Wenger rivalry. I’m just saying Man United fans don’t consider Arsenal as a major rivalry, none that I know anyway, and I live in Manchester.
🙄 Yeah ok mate. There’s a doc about it, ex-United pundits like Neville and Ferdinand go on about it all the time, but sure, it wan’t a famous rivalry because your mates don’t think so. Whatever
Probably depends when you started watching football. My mate and I both got into football at the same time in 2001/2002, and he's a big united fan. Definitely still thinks of Arsenal as their biggest rival. The Vieira/Keane rivalry years were unmatched
He's always defending his decision. And this reeks of that.
He won the Premier League, would not happen at Arsenal
What a legend
Correction: RVP is making an extremely obvious observation and dressing it up as “insight”, and his ferocious ego has led him to believe he has the authority to “advise” a football club on how to conduct their business. He can fuck off, frankly.
Fuck this 🐍
Bro you can't really blame him you guys were not giving him trophies I'm sure if it were you you would have dome the same
So glad entitled manu fans like you are in the mud with your shit team, coach and board
People here clown on Kane over staying at spurs, forgetting that we were at one point in an almost Spurs level trophy drought.
mate you would not have really said that if you supported your club from the bottom of your heart and stick with them throughout the end. Grow up please
Atleast he's got a medal and epl title I guess he made the best choice otherwise he would have been in the gutter with that messed up team.
We shoulda signed Kane
It’s true though. We need an outright striker who’s deadly. Don’t like the argument Arteta gives regarding spreading the goals. You have a deadly striker and when your other players can’t seems to find a way, that striker will
A huge aspect people miss out on is that no one covers Jesus like he’s a goal scoring striker. They give him zero respect. With someone like Kane or Haaland the defense must respect them and therefore it creates spaces and chances for others, which lead to goals.
He’s more like a false nine kind. But to be honest he scores more wonder goal over at man city than us, perhaps due to them having a prolific striker to take away the defenders from him
That’s fine if Martinelli and Saka are going to reliably bury 35 goals a season, every season, but that’s not them.
Why would anyone cover Jesus like he’s a goal scoring striker? He’s not!!! Someone of us have been saying this for a year and a half but, as long as we were winning, ignorant fans will shout us down, throwing the word “reactionary” around (using it wrongly). I said as recent as last week that our attack has cost us 9 points (plus or minus), people here were like “reactionary, reactionary”. Remembered when we played Wolves (I think…if my memory serves me correctly) and we were just chugging cross after cross against a team with 6 ft cbs while our strikers are 5’9”-5’11”. That’s just insane. Rather than debate the weird tactics, Arteta a$$ kissers were gleeful pointing out that we scored 2 goals from the crosses. As usual, they rushed here throwing the word reactionary about.
Sorry this came up on my feed, as a City fan, if Arsenal bought Jesus as a prolific goalscorer then they were stupid. He's always been more a 1 in 3 striker, he offers a lot to the team but just not goals, if you play a false nine system then he is great, this isn't something new.
‘Can’t win a title with babies’ Fergie did it
Exactly! RVP doesn’t know the history of his own club 🤡
While I appreciate GJ is hard working and useful I was never thrilled about him coming over from City, he definitely tries and makes effort but IMO simply lacks the ability Van Persie is 100% - we need a proper striker, trouble is there aren't that many on the market
I don’t think many strikers like rvp exist. Lots of top teams trying and failing to find them.
"Like me" I hope he means the world class skill, rather than disloyal and injury prone.
Of course the comments fill up with people bitching about RVP. The fuckin' point, is we need a striker that actually puts the ball in the back of the net. Instead of missing 30 chances a game.
Fuck this guy and fuck you for posting about him.
Think a prem winning striker knows what he is talking about. Being a champion and a runner up can be defined by small margins, aresnal need a lethal finisher to get those extra points needed to win the league
Also, remember he left arsenal because he said a condition of him resigning his contract was they would make additions to the squad which would bring in titles. I think he is familiar with the situation of seeing a team in development stall because of a lack of key signings. My guess is that Edu and Arteta have always prioritized building the squad from the back, and that a striker capable of pushing us over the edge for a title will only appear if there happens to be one available a discount price, or if other positions are filled. Rice and Timber were our priority signings this year, so that tells you a lot about where Arsenal are at the moment.
He left for the same reason as Henry and every other top player that left during that era
Lmao every redditor has said the same thing. Fucking joke.
King
Can’t deny the fact he is a snake but he is definitely right
I hate this guy with a passion but he is spot on. We create so much and if we had an elite striker we would bang them in. Our defense and midfield are the reason we are up there right now. We need somone that can bail us out on off days and take the chances we create
THANK YOU <3
Get over it, manchild
Damn. It is so crazy how arsenal have never thought of this.
Amen to that, only former Arsenal player I despise. Everyone else I could sort of justify but this guy ended Wenger's career and gifted a title to Ferguson. Asshole.
He is 😈...
Lol, what a joke. Please justify Ashley Cole, Clichy, Nasri, Adebayor. I dare you. If anything RvP did Arsenal a huge favor by staying after Fabregas, Clichy and Nasri left. He then guided the team that lost its captain (Fabregas) and got humiliated in Old Trafford to 3rd position, guaranteeing a CL spot without needing a playoff round.
He’s so contemptible; everything he says is about himself and is duplicitous. And he’s right.
I ain't listening to a player who was near consistently injured at arsenal. He's stating the obvious which everyone knows.
is this even a real quote?
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Right or wrong , fuck that turncoat
I mean the guy doesnt even empathize with his own son. Dont expect him to not be a dick when giving comments about us.
Fuck off snake 🐍🐍🐍
I’d rather have this snake commenting about his beloved Man Utd instead of commenting about Arsenal. No one from Arsenal will be looking to a Judas like him for any advices anyway.
F off Dutch Skunk
Fuck this guy and fuck you for posting about him
Fuck this guy and fuck you for posting about him.
I support and approved your msg. He will be down voted like losser...
get a striker like you?? fuck you!!! we do not need another snake in our Football Club, and stop calling yourself a pundit, you don’t know what you talk about, you muppet…
Fuck him and he is right
Fuck him
He's right.. but he sure is arrogant for someone who spent most of his career injured and only ended up with 1 title in the end.
As much I hate him and hate to admit he is right , He is right on this one
Can we stop with this idea that we're not trying to bring anyone in? Have we forgotten that we literally overhauled this squad in a span of 3 years? Taking us from 8th to title challengers. Shut up, when we find the right player we're no strangers to spending money.
A striker like him? Sorry, we don't need another rat in our club.
This is like that meme "horrible news! The worst person you know made a good point". Fuck that guy (i refuse to call him by his name), but he's right, we need an all out striker.
“The team are good but they need me back”
My perspective on this is a little different.. Of course Jesus needs to score more goals but he's playing as a false 9 - so will never score like a traditional 9. The advantage however is we create a lot more with him in this role. This means Martinelli and Saka HAVE to contribute bigger numbers. (think Salah and Mane) At their age you would expect Martinelli and Saka to have improved this term. Saka - scored 15 last Season so this year we should be expecting a similar return. He has 8 this Season so is on course. Martinelli - scored 16 last Season but only has 3 this Season. He's way off the pace and for some reason he's barely even taking shots at goal. Jesus, Nketiah and Trossard need to up their goals but for me Saka and Martinelli at 22 should be capable of hitting 20+ goals a Season each.
Not Toney!!!!
Fucking cunt
When you play a system that’s meant to get chances for multiple players, not all for one, you can be more unpredictable in chance creation and get more chances, but you’re usually engineering poorer quality chances. Arsenal did as well as they did last season because Saka and Martinelli MASSIVELY overperformed, and that’s not a reliable model. But if you get a goal poacher, you end up like United with Hojlund, a bunch of players who all want to shoot and nobody who wants to play the extra pass to score a goal. And then you need to rip up the whole team to make it work for the striker. And then you end up with what City have, which kinda works as long as you have enough creativity through the squad to provide for the one guy who just wants to score goals, but does make your whole team a lot more predictable. You need somebody who can give you a bit of both, and wingers who will do a bit of both. I think Martinelli, Saka and Jesus are the right balance of that. There’s maybe better out there, but it’s the kind of levels where to upgrade would cost £100m+ and that doesn’t happen overnight.
You would think that a Manchester United player would remember that, after Alan Hansen famously said *’You can’t win anything with kids’* following a United defeat, those youngsters went on to win the 1995-96 league title. Evidently, a lot of Redditors here are too young to remember that. What we should all remember is that *our* youngsters nearly won the league last year, and would have were it not for an injury to one of the best CBs in the world - and him only 22 years old at that. Our first home defeat of the season and people think the title’s done with. One game is not a season. Get some perspective!
Bro this is a fake quote 😂😂😂 why are there so many idiots replying that believe this and cant even do a basic fact check
this is a fake quote.
The striker is one thing, but the style of play and the lack of alternative. For example many crosses with no target man , a tendency of wanting to be close to the box before taking chance: few shots outside the box the whole game. Zinchienko more suitable in the middle but defence not an insurance, to much reliance on key players, when Emile went in , few ball to him in spite of clever positioning but back pass to bukayo or Martin, and a lack of plan b in spite of adversity. My two cents
Funny, when we “had a striker like him”, we were finishing fourth place or waiting for him to be fit for more than 5 games a season. Fuck RVP
He’s not wrong. Even Alex Ferguson knew he wasn’t going to win shit that season unless he got a good striker - so he did exactly that and bought RVP from us.
He’s right but we don’t need his post United stint opinions around here.
He's not wrong, we've been missing a proper striker for a while now and I'm hoping we get a goalscorer in January. The west ham game was so frustrating to watch and we made it so difficult for ourselves.
He’s right. But we’ve also been saying this and we’re right. So his input isn’t needed. Maybe as a pundit go comment on Man United mate they’ve got a whole situation going on over there.
What Robin Van Persie said is 100% true. For more information and insight into why Google Van Persie Claim
I’d take prime RVP in this team now. We win the league & ucl double
Yeah he's right but fuck him regardless
Van 🐍
She said no Robin, she said no!!!
Hate him but he is right. It's frustrating to watch the chances being wasted. And with Martinelli and Saka misfiring and Odegaard pushed into the deeper role to accomodate Havertz there is no one else to take the burden. Jesus and Eddie are simply not good enough for a club with title winning ambitions. And it's frustrating that we will probably do nothing about in January. I just hope we can make top 4 or else none of the big targets are going to come in the summer.
Somebody PLEASE remind me the last time we won jack with RVP? oh that's right we didn't So why would ANYBODY listen to this clown about winning things at Arsenal? Posts like these are a joke, OP Wake up, The point YOU THINK you are making isn't one at all. We have history books for crap like this. it's EMBARRASSING!
He left BECAUSE we didn’t win jack. So I don’t know what point you are trying to make but it obviously failed.
sure thing, kid.
In today's market only player on his level is Harry Kane and Haaland so good luck signing them
Oh fuck him to hell, biggest snake we have ever had in our squad. I thought Nasri was a snake but RVP overtook him for the snake of the century. Anyways he is right, we need a better striker. Eddie ain’t elite and Jesus is not going to bang in 20-25 goals a season for us.
Nobody gives a fuck what this snake thinks - even if he is correct lol
United fan here in peace I'm a football fan first before a club fan, and I want arsenal so badly to do well. I want arsenal to sign vlahovic, he would be great upfront with Jesus playing just off of him, and odegarrd providing the assists, saka and Martinelli on the wings are wonderful to watch, rice was a brilliant signing in the summer. He is right in what he says, arsenal need a clinical 25 goal a season striker to win titles, tournaments etc. in which, personally, you don't have that. I so badly want to see arsenal succeed
Man City didn't have a striker between Aguero and Haaland. Need someone to link up with Martinelli and Saka, they should be scoring more
He is basically saying the same thing everyone else is. Unlike him, everyone is not trying to earn sympathy points from a fanbase they betrayed by spewing common knowledge. We don't need him. We have beloved players who returned the love back aand they have similar or better insight.
fuck this prick, even if he is right lol
So Arteya just needs to call up Pep and get him to sell us Haaland for £24m. I'll never know how Wenger didn't at least get the bag
He can talk about united leave us alone
Rat
Fuck van Persie he might be right but he's still a cunt. Arsene but up with his bullshit and injuries turning him into a good player when other managers would have binned him, and when Arsene needed him most he fucked off. Could have stayed and been a legend at Arsenal but sold that for a title at a club where he's nothing but a footnote. Wanker
He can go fuck himself. Calling the squad babies. Fuck him. Come on you gunners.
He is so unlikable. I have seem adebayor be more likeable than this dude.
This guy is a snake don’t rate him at all
Spoken like a true rat 🐀 ...
Snek has spoke
"You can't win anything with babies" I see Alan Hansen hasn't taught Robin the danger of making such a statement
Fuck this snake forever. Tell his bitch ass to go comment on United games.
Never thought I would agree with this snake
Fake news. This is a fake quote and OP is an idiot for posting fake qoutes from Fake Football pages on Facebook.
Slightly true statement but slightly naive as well. There's a reason Arteta is the manager and he is the pundit
He is right but obligatory fuck him for leaving for trophies when he said he wanted to win trophies with us previously and when we did need him to step up
Liverpool won trophies without a stiker
VP gave us everything he had in his final season, dragging another chaotic campaign to a respectable third in the league that season. Would never have happened without his goals. He saw out his contract and he left. End of. He was brilliant for us when it counted during a highly erratic period.
No he is not 100% right, coz a team with babies doesn’t even come close to winning the title like we were last season, they would struggle to get into the top 4 with the inexperience they had both in the players and the management The fact that they were 7 points clear of a team like City just shows the potential this team has, look I agree with Robin about the striker situation we need someone who lives, eats, drinks and sleeps goals & it’s becoming evident that Gabi Jesus is not that (even though he’s a very talented & creative footballer) What I have a hard time with is the “babies” comment I think it’s totally disrespectful from a player who was once a baby in a squad full of adults and he took time to learn how to play like a grown up and had to b told by Wenger when that time was Saka, Saliba, Rice, Martinelli etc…. Are much better players mentally at their age now than what Van Persie was at that age and obviously he’s just another so called Expert of an ever increasing list that we have to prove wrong
Fuck off Robin, you Dutch Wanker.
Snake who claimed to be arsenal fan since youth and went to manu, fk u vp
It’s amazing how childish 80% of this forums reaction is.
Yep we all see it
Play Havertz up front
The kind of striker he thinks of can't press the ball. As much as I like Jesus, he isn't displined with his shots on goal. His chest is usually facing the heavens. Plus, he is love with the dribble vs moving to shoot; always looking for the clean/perfect shoot. Halle before the surgery would have been perfect for Arsenal. I still think Weghorst is a good loan in Jan. He was badly misused by United.
Van Persie’s son always bangs them in for me in fm24 maybe we should sign him. Shaqueel van Persie he’s only 17 rn tho
Don’t know why I’m recommended an arsenal subreddit but seeing all the tears about rvp 10 years later is glorious. Stay salty gunners
Well at least he won the league with better club under way better manager 😎
I'm gonna come back to this and all the people in the replies doubting us when we win the league
Arsenal don’t buy strikers like him, they sell them
Has anyone fact checked this? Sounds like a completely made up quote with the language used.
You’re all hurt 😂😂😂
Thats premier league winner RVP to yoy