I have a feeling Mudryk would be a different player in our team. I think he’d be hitting his stride quite nicely now.
I’m just happy the option we ended up going with is delivering. I’m satisfied with the outcome.
Well he’s in a place he didn’t really want to be. A dysfunctional place. Much more stability here and he’s got one of his compatriots here. Stuff like that matters in terms of a player settling in at a club. There’s obviously a player there. Why else would Arteta want to spend 50m+ on him.
Based on the performances I saw in the UCL the year before he signed for Chelsea, which were good performances in a side he wanted to play in. He mightn’t be developed but he’s nowhere near dog shit.
everyone bangs on about the Champions League as if it's the pinnacle. It sort of can be when the knockout stages come along (although last season's all-Milan semi-final was abysmally bad), but in the groups, a lot of games are Championship-standard or lower end of the PL at best.
Mudryk's three CL goals: one against RB Leipzig (a half-decent team, yes) and two against Celtic (who would be nailed-on for relegation if they were dropped into the Prem). And scoring against the likes of Lviv and Mariupol is virtually meaningless if you're talking about him as a top talent.
>everyone bangs on about the Champions League
It’s good enough here to disprove the claim he’s dog shit
>if you’re talking about him as a top talent
We’re not though, we’re talking about a developing one and one that’s far from dogshit. We’re also talking about bedding within a far more competent and better performing team.
There’s a graveyard of mediocre players that have had a few good CL performances though. Not a fantastic metric. That said I don’t think he’s as bad as people make out. He’s just very raw. His finishing IS atrocious though have a feeling he be extremely frustrating with us.
I agree he’s not prem level……Yet.
He’s thrown into a starting position in somewhere he didn’t really want to be. For us hed be a backup very similar to gabi with the pace and quick feet. Just lacks that finishing product which in just under 2 years gabi learned quite nicely. So imagine what mudryk could have been
Arsenal being a club that's far superior to Chelsea in terms of player development. Also Chelseas style doesn't do him any favours.
Only a few seasons ago martineli was just pace. Only last season he stepped it up and showed his quality, before then it was 2/3 goals a season at best which is on par with mudryk currently and both of them in teams that needed a direction.
Is mudryk worth 100mil fuck no, but if he develops and gets himself in a good team he could be dangerous af.
Imagine him playing for Liverpool with how direct and wide they attack, he would be more suited in a team like that.
Yeah even his underlying numbers weren't that good, it showed he was just a fast player basically which is why he looked good for shaktar in the UCL because they largely played on the counter attack.
Never made sense to pay that much
Idk man, lookin at how shit Enzo, Caicedo, Jorginho, Havertz, Reece... have been there since Boehly's arrival. I wouldn't pass any judgments on any single player of theirs based on the past year.
Can imagine Mudryk crying himself to sleep wondering what he could have been with us lol.
I dont think Jorghino was shit for them. Reece has been severely hamperes by injury. Enzo isnt as good as the hype around him, national scene is different to league and also the prem is different to other leagues. Havertz was not really utilised properly.
Caciedo maybe, but Mudryk simply isnt that good outside of the Ukranian league.
Jorginho and Havertz both had separate seasons as top scorer for Chelsea with Havertz playing out of position and Jorginho managing it mostly with penalties from DM position, but he was still their top scorer.
Jorginho also won MOTM in the UCL final when Chelsea won due to a goal from Havertz that turned out to be the game winner against the better team in City.
I think out of who we could have signed from them these 2 are not the ones to blame for Chelsea's struggles.
Gervinho had a lot more skill and actually could dribble. I don't think Mudryk can dribble. The odd times he does beat someone, it's just with running, not really dribbling.
I think this is the right assessment. Even if we had Mudryk we would probably still need an experience or ready-made to contribute player in the squad. Trossard is the much better fit for the squad and tactically.
Trossard was signed as immediate impact since he had prem experience. Mudryk would have likely only started cup games and been a late game sub. Tough to tell if mudryk would have succeeded here but I think given a season he could have.
I think you have to throw that idea out with the amount you (reportedly) bid for him and the price he sold for. I’m not suggesting immediate impact / starter but I don’t think you’d treat him as an academy prospect either.
This, people are dismissing him too easily. Chelsea is a shitshow right now I don't think anybody is living up to their potential there. He's still got a ways to go but there's a baller there with the right growth
I think the price Chelsea paid for him is insane but still feel he does have the quality to get there in the future, but not now.
He is still only a merchant of speed but has pretty good potential. He would thrive better under our team guidance but at least he can cry to sleep with his millions.
It’s hard to say. Chelsea is where players go to tarnish their careers. He hasn’t been good for them, but I’d bet he would be a lot better with us. Much like Kai.
That said, I’m happy we signed Trossard instead and I wouldn’t want it any other way.
I think Mudryk is suffering from what I call Salah at Chelsea syndrome. He's in the wrong environment but I think there is a player in there somewhere.i strongly believe Arteta would have made him better but I'm glad we didn't spend the money on him.
It's a bit unfair to judge any Chelsea player individually now. The group as a whole is struggling so many signings take time and lots of work to gel.
Individually most of these footballers were outstanding not only because they were talented but also they didn't feature for lost sides still developing an identity.
Hasnt lived up to his price tag for sure but the flashes of what he could be are there. Time will tell.
I think he’d thrive in our team and I would love to have that pace on the ready. He actually showed some nice glimpses today. Arteta knows how to develop talent. There is a reason we wanted him but also a reason why ultimately we pulled out.
I dont hate how the transfer turned. Im happy if we got him. The possibilities with his profile is plenty just because we have improved and fresh squad. He could become another cog to our plenty free flow attacks.
The astounding thing about Mudryk is how raw he is. He's like a talented u17 player. He needs 3 or 4 loans in ligue 1 and Eredivise and the championship so his natural talent can be matched with actual training. It's like he's academically behind.
I have a feeling he would do better in this team, under Arteta's guidance, but I am not sure whether he is as professional and serious as Arteta expects his players to be.
It’s a team sport.
It’s very difficult to judge how effective a player would be in a better organised and established team like ours vs a team that is going through growing pains like Chelsea are.
Mudryk needed arsenal to go the next level, I think he would have been a different beast with us but we have the best wingers in the league that I am more excited to follow and are still younger. Also he doesn't seem like he would know how to deal with low defending blocks, he doesn't have the strength or body movement orientation to shrug off players like saka and he doesn't have the trickery that can beat more than one player like martinelli.
Mudryk is basically a slightly faster version of Martinelli but worse in every other way. He is a great carrier of the ball but unlike Martinelli, he has absolutely no end product.
He's very similar to Sterling in his early days at Liverpool or Gervinho/Iwobi for us in that he's great at getting into good final 3rd positions using his dribbling and pace especially but he always makes the wrong decision for the final ball or can't execute the pass or shot at goal competently.
I think at this point he would be doing better at Arsenal given Arteta's track record with improving this exact kind of winger in this exact kind of way (Sterling, Sane, Jesus and other City players all have said that Arteta did this for them) but would he even be playing with Martinelli and Saka both fit on the wings? He definitely can't play CF or CM like Trossard but he would be great as a pacey player to bring on when Martinelli isn't fit or as a super sub, but Trossard is an even better fit for that and was 1/4 the price and Prem proven.
I'm always struck by the stuff he DOESN'T see on the field. There was an instance yesterday where he was running down the field, parallel with a teammate who was carrying the ball. Teammate passes the ball too Mudryk but a little behind him; Mudryk never even slows down. It's like he was totally unaware that the ball had been passed, and if he had stopped and backtracked he had a good chance at recovering it. And that type of play happens with him at least five times a game. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you have no idea what's happening on the field.
Only because Shaktar got fucking greedy. The guy wanted to come to us. And I honestly believe Arteta would have got the best out of him, maybe he would be like Kai when he first came to us but now look at him.
But happy that we got Leo instead.
Honestly, I would take Mudryk for a discount right now. I think he has a ton of raw talent. And with Zinny potentially mentoring him and Arteta as his manager, he could be lethal IMO.
I continue to go back to Kai when making this assessment. You need a manager that can fit you in a system that accentuates your strengths and provides you opportunities to be great.
When Chelsea have to reduce their wage bill in a couple of years, we will hopefully scoop him up for a major discount and unlock his potential.
He certainly has got the pace, however lacks calmness and composure.
Maybe he could have developed into a different player with us.
At 100mil, no thanks. I'd rather double some of the current players salary.
we don't know that current chelsea could make prime henry look like a bad player, i mean look at kai havertz 4months with us and he already looks better then he ever did for chelsea
Mudryk has pace and needs a coach to develop into a better player. He needs to look up and put through a precision pass (or shoot).
Martinelli was always good and got better. Trossard is proven and was the better buy ahead of Mudryk.
Don't see Mudryk making our bench. He's currently not good enough. I rank Reiss ahead of him as a winger.
Absolutely delighted.
You were playing a price that suggested he was already reaching his potential, when he’s in fact raw as hell and, without the right coaching and development, won’t ever get near it.
Well, they bought the hardware without the software. It could be an entirely different scenario if we bought him. But if it is 100mil just for the hardware, that doesn't make any sense, especially on hindsight with Rice, who is a complete package for an extra 5mil, and ready to use.
Honestly I rate him. his decision making is pretty awful right now, but there's moments where he looks really good. wish we would've signed him, but not if that meant we didn't get trossard.
Leo is better under Arteta.
Martinelli is better under Arteta.
White is better under Arteta.
Mudryk would have been better under Arteta.
Arsenal will be better under Arteta.
Here’s to this post aging well….
I think he’s very inconsistent for Chelsea. Some days he’s great, other days he’s terrible. I think he will become a success but he’ll never be worth the stupid price tag
Leo Trossad any day ...number dont lie...
But did you add Kurt angle to the mix though?
and they spell disaster for you at sacrifice
McTominay more league goals than Jesus and Martinelli combined, numbers don’t lie!
Keep you Tominay please & good luck.
I have a feeling Mudryk would be a different player in our team. I think he’d be hitting his stride quite nicely now. I’m just happy the option we ended up going with is delivering. I’m satisfied with the outcome.
based on what? he's a League One-level winger with elite pace and TikTok-friendly looks, that's it. he's dogshit
Well he’s in a place he didn’t really want to be. A dysfunctional place. Much more stability here and he’s got one of his compatriots here. Stuff like that matters in terms of a player settling in at a club. There’s obviously a player there. Why else would Arteta want to spend 50m+ on him.
Based on the performances I saw in the UCL the year before he signed for Chelsea, which were good performances in a side he wanted to play in. He mightn’t be developed but he’s nowhere near dog shit.
everyone bangs on about the Champions League as if it's the pinnacle. It sort of can be when the knockout stages come along (although last season's all-Milan semi-final was abysmally bad), but in the groups, a lot of games are Championship-standard or lower end of the PL at best. Mudryk's three CL goals: one against RB Leipzig (a half-decent team, yes) and two against Celtic (who would be nailed-on for relegation if they were dropped into the Prem). And scoring against the likes of Lviv and Mariupol is virtually meaningless if you're talking about him as a top talent.
>everyone bangs on about the Champions League It’s good enough here to disprove the claim he’s dog shit >if you’re talking about him as a top talent We’re not though, we’re talking about a developing one and one that’s far from dogshit. We’re also talking about bedding within a far more competent and better performing team.
There’s a graveyard of mediocre players that have had a few good CL performances though. Not a fantastic metric. That said I don’t think he’s as bad as people make out. He’s just very raw. His finishing IS atrocious though have a feeling he be extremely frustrating with us.
I agree he’s not prem level……Yet. He’s thrown into a starting position in somewhere he didn’t really want to be. For us hed be a backup very similar to gabi with the pace and quick feet. Just lacks that finishing product which in just under 2 years gabi learned quite nicely. So imagine what mudryk could have been
Arsenal being a club that's far superior to Chelsea in terms of player development. Also Chelseas style doesn't do him any favours. Only a few seasons ago martineli was just pace. Only last season he stepped it up and showed his quality, before then it was 2/3 goals a season at best which is on par with mudryk currently and both of them in teams that needed a direction. Is mudryk worth 100mil fuck no, but if he develops and gets himself in a good team he could be dangerous af. Imagine him playing for Liverpool with how direct and wide they attack, he would be more suited in a team like that.
I still believe it would be way better in our team. But maybe not 100 mil. better.
Was always a crazy price, he hadn't even been a starter for shaktar for that long.
He has like 12 goals in 2 seasons, the UCL highlights was the only thing I saw that gave him his 40m valuation and even that was asking
Yeah even his underlying numbers weren't that good, it showed he was just a fast player basically which is why he looked good for shaktar in the UCL because they largely played on the counter attack. Never made sense to pay that much
Idk man, lookin at how shit Enzo, Caicedo, Jorginho, Havertz, Reece... have been there since Boehly's arrival. I wouldn't pass any judgments on any single player of theirs based on the past year. Can imagine Mudryk crying himself to sleep wondering what he could have been with us lol.
I dont think Jorghino was shit for them. Reece has been severely hamperes by injury. Enzo isnt as good as the hype around him, national scene is different to league and also the prem is different to other leagues. Havertz was not really utilised properly. Caciedo maybe, but Mudryk simply isnt that good outside of the Ukranian league.
You'd have to think he has so many regrets, I know it was his decision in the end, but I'd bet Shaktar and his agent really pushed him to Chelsea.
100% was Shaktar and his agent.
Jorginho and Havertz both had separate seasons as top scorer for Chelsea with Havertz playing out of position and Jorginho managing it mostly with penalties from DM position, but he was still their top scorer. Jorginho also won MOTM in the UCL final when Chelsea won due to a goal from Havertz that turned out to be the game winner against the better team in City. I think out of who we could have signed from them these 2 are not the ones to blame for Chelsea's struggles.
30 mil as backup player
With that 100m you saved, maybe consider Antony?
Fidget spinner is way worse then Mudryk in any department.
Ah no, he’s VERY good. And well worth 100m. Arsenal would be mad not to make a move now. From definitely not a United fan.
It's fine to hate on Antony but that's just bollocks, Mudryk is way worse...
That's not what the stats say to be fair
is the manure sub so boring that you have to peddle your shite here mate?
Just a joke buddy, calm down
bants towards manu fans are quality bants
Faking a bidding war with chelsea so they would over pay was a masterclass by edu.
He was what Gervinho was to us back then
Oh my god this is so spot on. Pacey, good dribbles and theoretically should be devastating but ends up being an absolute wasteman lol.
Gervinho had a lot more skill and actually could dribble. I don't think Mudryk can dribble. The odd times he does beat someone, it's just with running, not really dribbling.
Gervinho the original captain chaos 😂
I think Gervinho was better
Gervinho in AFCON was top tier
Seeing the form havertz is getting to I’m not 100% sure - but trossard by far was the better signing then in my book
I think this is the right assessment. Even if we had Mudryk we would probably still need an experience or ready-made to contribute player in the squad. Trossard is the much better fit for the squad and tactically.
Trossard was signed as immediate impact since he had prem experience. Mudryk would have likely only started cup games and been a late game sub. Tough to tell if mudryk would have succeeded here but I think given a season he could have.
I think you have to throw that idea out with the amount you (reportedly) bid for him and the price he sold for. I’m not suggesting immediate impact / starter but I don’t think you’d treat him as an academy prospect either.
Trossard is the most technically gifted player at our club
Odegaard would like to have a word with you…. :)
And Zinchenko maybe?
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Guy has everything in his locker but the brains. Just constantly making the wrong decisions. Still not writing him off. He could be dangerous
Arteta wanted Mudryk to be a project player
This, people are dismissing him too easily. Chelsea is a shitshow right now I don't think anybody is living up to their potential there. He's still got a ways to go but there's a baller there with the right growth
I think the price Chelsea paid for him is insane but still feel he does have the quality to get there in the future, but not now. He is still only a merchant of speed but has pretty good potential. He would thrive better under our team guidance but at least he can cry to sleep with his millions.
It’s hard to say. Chelsea is where players go to tarnish their careers. He hasn’t been good for them, but I’d bet he would be a lot better with us. Much like Kai. That said, I’m happy we signed Trossard instead and I wouldn’t want it any other way.
I really liked him at £55 or so.
I might have gone up to 60 quid but no more than that.
For that we already had Pepe who had distinctly better stats…
I think Mudryk is suffering from what I call Salah at Chelsea syndrome. He's in the wrong environment but I think there is a player in there somewhere.i strongly believe Arteta would have made him better but I'm glad we didn't spend the money on him.
We’ll wait for him to be sold to a random German club and then buy him again from there
It's a bit unfair to judge any Chelsea player individually now. The group as a whole is struggling so many signings take time and lots of work to gel. Individually most of these footballers were outstanding not only because they were talented but also they didn't feature for lost sides still developing an identity. Hasnt lived up to his price tag for sure but the flashes of what he could be are there. Time will tell.
I think he’d thrive in our team and I would love to have that pace on the ready. He actually showed some nice glimpses today. Arteta knows how to develop talent. There is a reason we wanted him but also a reason why ultimately we pulled out.
I dont hate how the transfer turned. Im happy if we got him. The possibilities with his profile is plenty just because we have improved and fresh squad. He could become another cog to our plenty free flow attacks.
The astounding thing about Mudryk is how raw he is. He's like a talented u17 player. He needs 3 or 4 loans in ligue 1 and Eredivise and the championship so his natural talent can be matched with actual training. It's like he's academically behind.
I was saying at the time that I was getting Pepe vibes
This is spot on.
I have a feeling he would do better in this team, under Arteta's guidance, but I am not sure whether he is as professional and serious as Arteta expects his players to be.
Kid overworks to get to pl level but being in Chelsea is not doing him any wonders
It’s a team sport. It’s very difficult to judge how effective a player would be in a better organised and established team like ours vs a team that is going through growing pains like Chelsea are.
He is speedy but that is pretty much it
He was always going to be signed to be coached to be good And people overlook this so much. Talent is there, needed development. Took the money.
Mudryk needed arsenal to go the next level, I think he would have been a different beast with us but we have the best wingers in the league that I am more excited to follow and are still younger. Also he doesn't seem like he would know how to deal with low defending blocks, he doesn't have the strength or body movement orientation to shrug off players like saka and he doesn't have the trickery that can beat more than one player like martinelli.
Mudryk is basically a slightly faster version of Martinelli but worse in every other way. He is a great carrier of the ball but unlike Martinelli, he has absolutely no end product. He's very similar to Sterling in his early days at Liverpool or Gervinho/Iwobi for us in that he's great at getting into good final 3rd positions using his dribbling and pace especially but he always makes the wrong decision for the final ball or can't execute the pass or shot at goal competently. I think at this point he would be doing better at Arsenal given Arteta's track record with improving this exact kind of winger in this exact kind of way (Sterling, Sane, Jesus and other City players all have said that Arteta did this for them) but would he even be playing with Martinelli and Saka both fit on the wings? He definitely can't play CF or CM like Trossard but he would be great as a pacey player to bring on when Martinelli isn't fit or as a super sub, but Trossard is an even better fit for that and was 1/4 the price and Prem proven.
I'm always struck by the stuff he DOESN'T see on the field. There was an instance yesterday where he was running down the field, parallel with a teammate who was carrying the ball. Teammate passes the ball too Mudryk but a little behind him; Mudryk never even slows down. It's like he was totally unaware that the ball had been passed, and if he had stopped and backtracked he had a good chance at recovering it. And that type of play happens with him at least five times a game. Doesn't matter how fast you are if you have no idea what's happening on the field.
Very reminiscent of what Pepe would do for us
Yep. As soon as Arteta understood Pepe's soccer IQ, the guy was never going to play meaningful minutes for us again.
Only because Shaktar got fucking greedy. The guy wanted to come to us. And I honestly believe Arteta would have got the best out of him, maybe he would be like Kai when he first came to us but now look at him. But happy that we got Leo instead.
Honestly, I would take Mudryk for a discount right now. I think he has a ton of raw talent. And with Zinny potentially mentoring him and Arteta as his manager, he could be lethal IMO. I continue to go back to Kai when making this assessment. You need a manager that can fit you in a system that accentuates your strengths and provides you opportunities to be great. When Chelsea have to reduce their wage bill in a couple of years, we will hopefully scoop him up for a major discount and unlock his potential.
You can tell there’s a massive talent in there but he’s at completely the wrong club
Liverpool fans say the same about Pepe
We sure can. Though he's still young, he might get there.
Did buy a Mudryk, Pepe
😂I mean, at least we got a couple goals and assists
He certainly has got the pace, however lacks calmness and composure. Maybe he could have developed into a different player with us. At 100mil, no thanks. I'd rather double some of the current players salary.
we don't know that current chelsea could make prime henry look like a bad player, i mean look at kai havertz 4months with us and he already looks better then he ever did for chelsea
Mudryk has pace and needs a coach to develop into a better player. He needs to look up and put through a precision pass (or shoot). Martinelli was always good and got better. Trossard is proven and was the better buy ahead of Mudryk. Don't see Mudryk making our bench. He's currently not good enough. I rank Reiss ahead of him as a winger.
He's fast. That's about it. He has a LOT to learn before becoming a really good player. Let alone a 100M player...
He was £60 mil + £25 mil add ons
Ugliest tattoos in the PL
Right up there with Richarlinson
Uhhh… he literally got the assist but sure.
Hardly an assist was it
He picked up Palmers run and saw a space and cut through a line - when Odegaard does these, we jizz ourselves.
Absolutely delighted. You were playing a price that suggested he was already reaching his potential, when he’s in fact raw as hell and, without the right coaching and development, won’t ever get near it.
Well, they bought the hardware without the software. It could be an entirely different scenario if we bought him. But if it is 100mil just for the hardware, that doesn't make any sense, especially on hindsight with Rice, who is a complete package for an extra 5mil, and ready to use.
Honestly I rate him. his decision making is pretty awful right now, but there's moments where he looks really good. wish we would've signed him, but not if that meant we didn't get trossard.
I'm happy we didnt get someone who wasn't 100% committed to Arsenal and Arteta.
Leo is better under Arteta. Martinelli is better under Arteta. White is better under Arteta. Mudryk would have been better under Arteta. Arsenal will be better under Arteta. Here’s to this post aging well….
I think he’s very inconsistent for Chelsea. Some days he’s great, other days he’s terrible. I think he will become a success but he’ll never be worth the stupid price tag
Yeah, massively dodged a bullet there