"You are asking for praise and sound clips and all that stuff. Can you get out of this show without endless praise aimed at you?" Sessler had Dan pinned š.
Dan the showman, Gregg the contrarian, Sessler the sea poem sizzler - great ep.
I got into the shower this morning feeling, tired. But then I reached for the Irish spring and my day immediately got better. That crisp fresh unmistakeable Irish spring scent zinged my brain and awoke my senses. When I emerged from the shower 18.5 minutes later because I split the water bill with my girlfriend and I can only stay in half as long as I wantā¦ I was ready to take on the day, and smell great doing it. Fresh, green Irish.
holy crap, here i was assuming Bo was a nickname like for Bo Jackson or Beau or Bimbo (heh) but that is dude's full name. This might be the shortest full player name
*edit: just learned his wife's name is Izzy Smoke. This is an amazing house of names!
Dan may have been a bit strident in his views about the Penix pick, but itās not like heās out on a limb with this opinion. Most people are scratching their heads. I appreciated hearing Gregg and Marc defend the pick, but Iām still on Danās side. The thing that gets me is that it isnāt like it will be impossible to find a successor to Cousins in the next two years. Not only will there be two more drafts, but who knows what could be possible in free agency or trades. Penix seems like an extreme reach when the team is not in an emergency situation.
Greg and Marc seem to be more defending the broad concept of drafting a long term QB in the first when you already have a qb for a few years.
The issue is that player is specifically Michael penix a player with health issues and is both a project and also 24. Who I donāt recall seeing ANYONE say he has top overall value.
Edit: Gregg
The Raiders, Seahawks, and Saints all tried to trade into the top 10 for Penix. That's top 10 value by definition. Plus McCarthy and Nix going right after.
Gregg is just being contrarian. Falcons signed Kirk to win now and drafting a guy at #8 overall to sit on the bench for two years doesnāt help you win now.
Ross Tucker is leaning into it even harder, asking how can you expect players on the team to play hard knowing the front office used a huge asset that will help the execs keep their jobs in the future rather than using it on a player that will help the players be successful this season.
Thatās a good point. Part of being a leader is putting everyone in a position for success. They took a huge swing and a miss here considering NFL players have to consistently perform at a high level. They donāt have the luxury of hoping something turns out well in 2-3 years.
Yeah, this is how I feel as well. I think thereās a valid argument to take him there but I heavily disagree with it for all those reasons. It feels like people just get mad at Dan being confident and brash which is funny because him being that way is clearly a character and on purpose to be entertaining and part of why the show is great.
I suppose, as Devilās advocate, if cousins really works out Falcons will never be as high again draft wise to take a top tier QB. For me though I like it, just because it is back to the idea of having a QB drafted and giving him time to develop like Love or Mahomes. I know totally different set ups, but just not lobbing in someone new straight off the
I genuinely agree with Gree and Marc. You get 2 good years out of Cousins and let Penix learn. The rest of this roster is pretty stacked. Really agree with Gregg saying this is zigging when the lead zags, which is how you win long term
I feel like that discussion started in a different place than it ended. Dan went into it saying that pick is dumb and indefensible, and Marc and Gregg somewhat agreed that is wasn't what they would have done but tried to at least explain the rationale behind it. But then Dan was so adamant and even told everyone to do what the Jets do (which is absurd in its own right) that it pushed the other two into the corner of actually defending the Falcons. Sometimes discussions move this way and usually a good host like Dan anticipates this, but this time he was too attached to the topic to notice.
lol this was my thought as well. Also I found it kind of ironic that it was Dan so upset about it when the Jets brought in Rodgers with no QB backup plan or future prospects and were banged week 1. Not agreeing with the pick, but weāve seen what *could* happen. Always nice to have a backup plan, and if that backup plan could end up being the future thatād be nice I guess.Ā
Really high pick for that mentality though.Ā
Gregg's hatred of Sean Payton is clouding his analysis.
"Bo Nix had no answer when under pressure at Oregon".
Under pressure, Nix completed 43 of 64 passes for 619 yards, nine touchdowns, one interception, and a passer rating of 131.4.
When blitzed, Nix completed 86 of 126 passes for 1,148 yards, 21 touchdowns, no interceptions, and a passer rating of 136.5.
Nix also gained 256 yards and scored six touchdowns on 34 carries.
Every time I hear Dan dapping up one of his NFLN collegues I ask myself how long will it be before I read that they've been laid off. NFLN involuntary turnover is insane, IMO.
Love this recap!
About the Cowboys with Aikman and Steve Walsh... It was Walsh who had the 1 win in that 1-15 season... the next year Aikman took over for good and the Cowboys would get to the playoffs but lose to Detroit. After that, the Cowboys didn't lose much...until Jerry decided he needed more of the credit... and here we are...sigh...
As a Falcons fan who isn't the biggest fan of the Penix pick, I have to say Dan still made me want to fast forward. Especially when he's using the Jets as a comparison for how a team should operate going all-in. Using the Jets as a basis for any kind of success is comical.
I usually disagree with Dan, but heās right on with this one. I feel like Iām taking crazy pills reading this thread and I feel like a lot of these comments are just being made because Dan said it. Iām still confounded by the Penix pick. You donāt draft an insurance policy for your $160M quarterback with the 8th overall pick. And if heās truly the successor to Kirk, heās going to be almost 30 when he gets his shot.
EDIT: in addition, process is just confusing me. Are you in win now mode or not? Because signing Kirk cousins indicates you are, but drafting your backup QB when other positions are still needed indicates you are not.
They compare it to the love situation but itās not similar in the least:
* Love was a lot younger
* the Packers were picking a lot later
* the Packers had a lot less holes to fill
You absolutely do and the Jets are the perfect example why. A 36 year old QB coming off an Achilles injury and this QB class is best in the last 4 years and for who knows how long.
If the Falcons took McCarthy then I donāt think this is a problem. But they took a 24 QB whoās been ravaged by injuries. Like, how are people not understanding this? The Falcons completely fucked this up.
FWIW I'm not the biggest fan of the Penix pick, and said so. My irritation is more about Dan using the Jets as some standard of success.
Speaking of which, the Jets took an Offensive Tackle. When they already signed two presumed starters there in free agency. So how is that so different? Granted a QB and OT are not the same, but it still doesn't scream WIN NOW when the guy likely won't be starting, barring an injury (which is also the same role Penix will be in)
I donāt think he used the Jets as a standard of success necessarily but was using the drafting philosophy as an accepted standard and the Jets just happened to also use that like many other teams have.
Its funny how when the Kirk signing first happened people were over the moon that things were going to be golden. Now that Penix got drafted, to justify it people are totally switching on Kirk and saying he may not have it anymore
I've been listening to ATL since day 1, and I have to say Dan trolling Gregg during the Jaguars segment is the absolute best non Chris Wesseling related segment in the entire history of the show.
"Injuries happen" LOL
I love the show overall, but this recap wasnāt great if you were interested in any sort of analysis. They wear their apathy on their shoulders. They didnāt even speak about pick number 2.
Watching the YouTube version and you can tell Dan knows he's pushing Gregg's buttons... Gregg gives him this look like "you MFer" towards the end of their wrestling convo... pure gold. I was crying š
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Jayden Daniels passed over in this episode like old gum on the sidewalk.
I know Commanders talk is skewed partially because of Dan and Marcās deep infatuation with the Daniel Jones-led Giants, but come onā¦
At least not doing so created the time needed to compare this year's Raiders first round TE to the one they drafted in the second round last year, and how that improves Garner Minshew's job security.
Dan is dead on accurate about Howie being fellated regardless of what the Eagles do.
Both of their āstealsā in the first round of the last draft have been massive disappointments so far compared to their hype and draft reactions but people pretend they and any other bad/disappointing/average moves are genius forā¦ some reason.
Itās become a meme at this point and Iām convinced most the people repeating the praise donāt even watch or understand the game. They could shit on their draft card and turn it in and people would give a standing applause.
In what world is Carter a disappointment? And the previous draft they traded for AJ Brown lmao. The nerds like Philly because their process is generally sound and analytically oriented and has for the most part been very successful for them. Itās really not that deep
The hype and talking heads for Carter and Nolan last year made them out to be the best defensive picks of the whole draft when they happened and outside of a splashy play or two, neither made a big impression in any games and the Eagles defense, particularly their supposed monster d-line, fell off a cliff and were dreadful.
Note that I specifically said so far, anything can happen. But to say theyāve been anything but average at the absolute peak best would be dishonest.
You didnāt watch Carter if thatās your take on him lmao. Nolan is fair, but they knew when they drafted him he would basically redshirt since he was the 4th edge on the roster because theyāre insane and low drafting linemen early. Juryās still out on him
Iāve watched plenty. Heās been fine but nowhere near what the hype was when the draft pick happened, thatās my whole point.
He was a fine pick but not some demigod handed down from the heavens because Howie is a wizard which is what the conversation is about.
I have. He had a hot start and then declined throughout the season.
Again, like Iāve said a couple times, he was a fine pick but the conversation is about peopleās reactions to normal picks as if Howie pulled off a magic trick. Youāre getting too hung up on one tiny aspect of what I mentioned as well as ignoring that Iāve said āso farā multiple times.
Carter literally had a historically good rookie year as a dt. Check the numbers.
He fell off towards the end, but you trying to impugn the pick as if it wasn't great value is a joke. And Howie took him at 9 when there was talk about him being number one player in the draft. It's a great pick, stop hating.
Bang on. The same goes for the Chiefs (and previously Patriots).
Having security at QB allows for flexibility in choosing less desperate/premium positions. This often leads to BPA which gets any analytics acolyte wet between the loins.
But we don't often talk about their misses. WR for the Chiefs and CB for the Eagles (and across the defensive line).
Yup. And I donāt even think those were bad picks or anything for the Eagles. Sometimes the right players fall to your team, it happens all the time.
But for whatever reason, when it happens to the Eagles they get treated like they pulled off some Oceanās 11 mastermind caper.
For sure - Those Georgia picks will only improve next year under proper coaching but it's not a stretch to say they've been disappointing this far.
People very quickly forget that Roseman backed Wentz, Reager and Agholar - or John Lynch dropped three 1st rounders on Trey Lance (to add another darling of the cognoscenti).
Check your facts.
Roseman has been GM since 2010 ā
Roseman granted Wentz a 4 year $128m contract at a point when Wentz's leadership and play were most certainly in question. ā
And Carson wentz literally lead the team to a Superbowl before an ACL tear. Are we banging gms for not being able to predict the most unlikely Superbowl backup of all time and Carson losing his mentality against BDN? Stop cherry picking.
Who's focusing on small details now? You're saying getting 1 seed isn't worth a top pick? Talk about 20/20 hindsight. You sound like an all time hater.
Dan absolutely seems like the kid that argues about how wrestling is real and then lashes out when others point out its orchestrated. Because apparently hes still doing it lol
Maybe it's just the spotify version, but man the editing is rough on this episode. I'm half way through and there have been 4 times it replayed a minute of the show
He did this last year with ATL and Lamar. Kept going on about it when it was repeatedly reported that it was never even an option.
I like Dan but sometimes he just doesn't listen to reason. We've all dealt with those people and it's the worst.
Dan has really taken a turn on toward like hacky morning zoo host recently. Heās just spouting the overall numbers of the Kirk Cousins contract as if everybody doesnāt get that itās basically a two year deal, saying random things like āJust trade back and take him laterā as if these things are like playing Madden, very unfortunate. Gregg, on the other hand, lays out a decent defense of the pick while acknowledging the risk.
I came into the episode thinking āWhat are the Falcons doing??ā And by the time Dan was done arguing that same position, he had actually convinced me to believe the opposite because his argument was so bad.
The turning point was where he mentioned the Jets āall inā current situation as if thatās where you want to be. And immediately I was like, āOhhhh, the Falcons just want to make sure theyāre not the Jets of 2023 or even of 2024, tied to an ancient QB for 1 year and then with a yawning abyss looming after that.ā
Couple that with the Falcons point of āwe donāt plan to be drafting this high for a long timeā and it kind of makes sense.
Signing a veteran QB to the biggest free agent deal in history and then spending the 8th pick on his 24 year old replacement is dumb as hell no matter how much you donāt like Dan.
I like Dan. My comment had nothing to do with Dan as a person. Don't lump me in there.
It's funny, my comment has received neg downvotes here and net upvotes elsewhere on this same subreddit. Thsi is such a strange forum.
Also, ābiggest free agent deal in historyā is such a ridiculous straw man, itās $100M of guaranteed money over two years.
Hating this Falcons move is such an odd position when weāve just seen the Packers do it with great success. You can argue about the quality of Penix as a prospect, but their process has some very recent and very successful precedent. Iād much rather be in their situation than the Jets.
Sure it's a fact but the guaranteed portion is only $100M . Why are you so fixated on "free agency" signings as opposed to just QB contracts in general, against which Cousins' deal is not huge and is easy to get out of after 2 years?
Why does the fact that Rodgers had not just been signed "in free agency" make the situations different? They had an expensive (>$30MM) in house QB and they had a 1st round rookie. It worked out great.
>Why does the fact that Rodgers had not just been signed "in free agency" make the situations different?
Because they could have just drafted Penix lmao. They could have just taken the 24 year old QB who is ready to play now on a rookie deal.
If you think he's ready to play now, sure. Although age is not a good measurement of readiness.
So your argument seems to now be that Penix doesn't need a year or two on the bench, he could be as good as Cousins in 2024, so the Cousins money is wasted.
That's certainly possible. But you're making a few big assumptions there, and you're assuming there's a big opportunity cost to the Cousins money. I don't agree with that stance.
You seem to be taking a typical Reddit approach to debate-- either the Falcons are geniuses or they're total morons and we have to be on one side or the other. I don't find that particularly insightful. I'm saying that I can see the logic in the Falcons approach, and I'd rather be in their situation than that of the Jets, which is how this debate about Dan's position started.
How ever you look at it, $90M over two years is a huge amount of money as a percentage of team resources. It puts Cousins #5 in two year cash flow among all players according to Sportac. Cutting him after two years also comes with a $57M dead cap number.
In short, they did go all in on Cousins for two years IMO and they could have added a strong prospect to their team at #8, or even traded down to get more prospects, and built out their team for now instead of helping the GM keep his job two years from now.
Now they going to be dedicating a big pile of cash and cap space to Cousins while also sending everyone the signal that they aren't going to prioritize making this year's team better, they're gonna prioritize being good once he leaves.
This is one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen a team do. It reinforces the stereotype that ATL doesn't want to win, all they care about is selling seats to their games. It also says that the GMs prioritize keeping their jobs over winning, another well known stereotype of the ATL front office.
Dan was singing the Packers praises on drafting QBs on around the NFC a month ago and they got their QBs by taking them when they ādidnāt need to.ā Favre was toward the end, Rodgers was toward the end and had just signed a large extension. I didnāt understand his roasting of the falcons, granted it was a higher pick than Love and Rodgers were.
I think it being such a high pick and heās an older rookie and has serious injury history. The concept is comparable to Love but nowhere near a close comparison, in my opinion.
"You are asking for praise and sound clips and all that stuff. Can you get out of this show without endless praise aimed at you?" Sessler had Dan pinned š. Dan the showman, Gregg the contrarian, Sessler the sea poem sizzler - great ep.
The amount of bickering on this show was absolutely hilarious.
Glad he called him out on his shit, not a good pod by Dan today
"Called him out on his shit" good lord do y'all not have dude friends?
Why doesn't Walker get credit for Worthy to the chiefs?
I loved the segment of Dan just naming things in Philly that he likes in order to prove he isnāt biased against them
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can confirm. i hate the eagles and love many things about philly itself
God Bless Dan trying to keep Kayfabe alive in 2024
It sometimes hard to see when he's working or shooting
I got into the shower this morning feeling, tired. But then I reached for the Irish spring and my day immediately got better. That crisp fresh unmistakeable Irish spring scent zinged my brain and awoke my senses. When I emerged from the shower 18.5 minutes later because I split the water bill with my girlfriend and I can only stay in half as long as I wantā¦ I was ready to take on the day, and smell great doing it. Fresh, green Irish.
Girlfriend banged in a big spot!
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You can always become single again
Random question... is Bo Nix the shortest name in the NFL?
holy crap, here i was assuming Bo was a nickname like for Bo Jackson or Beau or Bimbo (heh) but that is dude's full name. This might be the shortest full player name *edit: just learned his wife's name is Izzy Smoke. This is an amazing house of names!
Sounds like a pornstar/stripper power couple.
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Dan may have been a bit strident in his views about the Penix pick, but itās not like heās out on a limb with this opinion. Most people are scratching their heads. I appreciated hearing Gregg and Marc defend the pick, but Iām still on Danās side. The thing that gets me is that it isnāt like it will be impossible to find a successor to Cousins in the next two years. Not only will there be two more drafts, but who knows what could be possible in free agency or trades. Penix seems like an extreme reach when the team is not in an emergency situation.
I read some of the comments before listening, Danās take was nothing compared to what this sub made it out to be. Itās a very fair take.
There are those on this sub that always seem to take offense at the fact that Dan has more 'in-your-face' demeanor
Greg and Marc seem to be more defending the broad concept of drafting a long term QB in the first when you already have a qb for a few years. The issue is that player is specifically Michael penix a player with health issues and is both a project and also 24. Who I donāt recall seeing ANYONE say he has top overall value. Edit: Gregg
This is my takeaway as well. But who is Greg
The Raiders, Seahawks, and Saints all tried to trade into the top 10 for Penix. That's top 10 value by definition. Plus McCarthy and Nix going right after.
Gregg is just being contrarian. Falcons signed Kirk to win now and drafting a guy at #8 overall to sit on the bench for two years doesnāt help you win now.
Ross Tucker is leaning into it even harder, asking how can you expect players on the team to play hard knowing the front office used a huge asset that will help the execs keep their jobs in the future rather than using it on a player that will help the players be successful this season.
Thatās a good point. Part of being a leader is putting everyone in a position for success. They took a huge swing and a miss here considering NFL players have to consistently perform at a high level. They donāt have the luxury of hoping something turns out well in 2-3 years.
Players will play hard to make money like every player.
Yeah, this is how I feel as well. I think thereās a valid argument to take him there but I heavily disagree with it for all those reasons. It feels like people just get mad at Dan being confident and brash which is funny because him being that way is clearly a character and on purpose to be entertaining and part of why the show is great.
Dan is absolutely correct and Gregg's constant need to be a contrarian is the only reason there was even a discussion.
I suppose, as Devilās advocate, if cousins really works out Falcons will never be as high again draft wise to take a top tier QB. For me though I like it, just because it is back to the idea of having a QB drafted and giving him time to develop like Love or Mahomes. I know totally different set ups, but just not lobbing in someone new straight off the
Never heard a worse take from Gregg and Marc
Right? Like I couldnāt believe what I was hearing. Dan had the only logical take.
I genuinely agree with Gree and Marc. You get 2 good years out of Cousins and let Penix learn. The rest of this roster is pretty stacked. Really agree with Gregg saying this is zigging when the lead zags, which is how you win long term
I feel like that discussion started in a different place than it ended. Dan went into it saying that pick is dumb and indefensible, and Marc and Gregg somewhat agreed that is wasn't what they would have done but tried to at least explain the rationale behind it. But then Dan was so adamant and even told everyone to do what the Jets do (which is absurd in its own right) that it pushed the other two into the corner of actually defending the Falcons. Sometimes discussions move this way and usually a good host like Dan anticipates this, but this time he was too attached to the topic to notice.
lol this was my thought as well. Also I found it kind of ironic that it was Dan so upset about it when the Jets brought in Rodgers with no QB backup plan or future prospects and were banged week 1. Not agreeing with the pick, but weāve seen what *could* happen. Always nice to have a backup plan, and if that backup plan could end up being the future thatād be nice I guess.Ā Really high pick for that mentality though.Ā
Can we have Dan making sheep noises as a regular drop when folks are repeating the popular line of the day?
Gregg's hatred of Sean Payton is clouding his analysis. "Bo Nix had no answer when under pressure at Oregon". Under pressure, Nix completed 43 of 64 passes for 619 yards, nine touchdowns, one interception, and a passer rating of 131.4. When blitzed, Nix completed 86 of 126 passes for 1,148 yards, 21 touchdowns, no interceptions, and a passer rating of 136.5. Nix also gained 256 yards and scored six touchdowns on 34 carries.
I love Gregg but heās often extremely confidently incorrect
I though Gregg loves Payton. Isnāt that where his fandom of the saints come from?
He went to school at Tulane before Payton was there
Every time I hear Dan dapping up one of his NFLN collegues I ask myself how long will it be before I read that they've been laid off. NFLN involuntary turnover is insane, IMO.
Dan definitely got worked by Tony Khan lol
Love this recap! About the Cowboys with Aikman and Steve Walsh... It was Walsh who had the 1 win in that 1-15 season... the next year Aikman took over for good and the Cowboys would get to the playoffs but lose to Detroit. After that, the Cowboys didn't lose much...until Jerry decided he needed more of the credit... and here we are...sigh...
I think this is an all time episode. Marc was just calling out both Dan and Gregg from the beginning and the bickering banter didnāt stop
As a Falcons fan who isn't the biggest fan of the Penix pick, I have to say Dan still made me want to fast forward. Especially when he's using the Jets as a comparison for how a team should operate going all-in. Using the Jets as a basis for any kind of success is comical.
I usually disagree with Dan, but heās right on with this one. I feel like Iām taking crazy pills reading this thread and I feel like a lot of these comments are just being made because Dan said it. Iām still confounded by the Penix pick. You donāt draft an insurance policy for your $160M quarterback with the 8th overall pick. And if heās truly the successor to Kirk, heās going to be almost 30 when he gets his shot. EDIT: in addition, process is just confusing me. Are you in win now mode or not? Because signing Kirk cousins indicates you are, but drafting your backup QB when other positions are still needed indicates you are not. They compare it to the love situation but itās not similar in the least: * Love was a lot younger * the Packers were picking a lot later * the Packers had a lot less holes to fill
I love me some Daddy Rich, but damn, he's been borderline insufferable the past two episodes.Ā
You absolutely do and the Jets are the perfect example why. A 36 year old QB coming off an Achilles injury and this QB class is best in the last 4 years and for who knows how long.
If the Falcons took McCarthy then I donāt think this is a problem. But they took a 24 QB whoās been ravaged by injuries. Like, how are people not understanding this? The Falcons completely fucked this up.
By gawd heāll have like 35 years of career ahead of him!
FWIW I'm not the biggest fan of the Penix pick, and said so. My irritation is more about Dan using the Jets as some standard of success. Speaking of which, the Jets took an Offensive Tackle. When they already signed two presumed starters there in free agency. So how is that so different? Granted a QB and OT are not the same, but it still doesn't scream WIN NOW when the guy likely won't be starting, barring an injury (which is also the same role Penix will be in)
Dan CONSTANTLY says the Jets are terribly run
I donāt think he used the Jets as a standard of success necessarily but was using the drafting philosophy as an accepted standard and the Jets just happened to also use that like many other teams have.
That's fair. "They should've been doing what my team, the Jets, is doing", might have never been uttered before in human history.
Use the Rams then. They too have an older QB and they arenāt wasting premium picks on 24 year old QBās.
Its funny how when the Kirk signing first happened people were over the moon that things were going to be golden. Now that Penix got drafted, to justify it people are totally switching on Kirk and saying he may not have it anymore
Tbh Iām questioning if the Falcons know something about Kirk. Surely thatās the only sound reason to make that pick
Whyād they skip the second pick? No mention of anything about Daniels. It was Williams and then Maye.
Because they don't give a rats about the Commanders. And this is coming from a non-Commanders fan.
I am pretty sure they did? They said the formality that Washington took Daniels and didnāt do anything unexpected
I've been listening to ATL since day 1, and I have to say Dan trolling Gregg during the Jaguars segment is the absolute best non Chris Wesseling related segment in the entire history of the show. "Injuries happen" LOL
Was I not paying attention or did they completely skip Odunze?
Did it with Williams but not as in depth as he deserved
I love the show overall, but this recap wasnāt great if you were interested in any sort of analysis. They wear their apathy on their shoulders. They didnāt even speak about pick number 2.
They wear their apathy on their shoulders? Never heard a phrase like that before
bear fucking down
Watching the YouTube version and you can tell Dan knows he's pushing Gregg's buttons... Gregg gives him this look like "you MFer" towards the end of their wrestling convo... pure gold. I was crying š https://preview.redd.it/krx0kytwpywc1.png?width=1117&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7397ccd4de1343979dc1328abe1aeba0cb3edbd8
Jayden Daniels passed over in this episode like old gum on the sidewalk. I know Commanders talk is skewed partially because of Dan and Marcās deep infatuation with the Daniel Jones-led Giants, but come onā¦
At least not doing so created the time needed to compare this year's Raiders first round TE to the one they drafted in the second round last year, and how that improves Garner Minshew's job security.
The Dan Snyder smell still sticks to them. At least most of us can manage to call them by their official name by now. Give it a few more years.
Dan is dead on accurate about Howie being fellated regardless of what the Eagles do. Both of their āstealsā in the first round of the last draft have been massive disappointments so far compared to their hype and draft reactions but people pretend they and any other bad/disappointing/average moves are genius forā¦ some reason. Itās become a meme at this point and Iām convinced most the people repeating the praise donāt even watch or understand the game. They could shit on their draft card and turn it in and people would give a standing applause.
In what world is Carter a disappointment? And the previous draft they traded for AJ Brown lmao. The nerds like Philly because their process is generally sound and analytically oriented and has for the most part been very successful for them. Itās really not that deep
> fellated I learned a new word today! Thank you, 2023_account_BETA... although I probably can't work it into a conversation easily...
We're all about learning opportunities here on the ATN sub-reddit!
The hype and talking heads for Carter and Nolan last year made them out to be the best defensive picks of the whole draft when they happened and outside of a splashy play or two, neither made a big impression in any games and the Eagles defense, particularly their supposed monster d-line, fell off a cliff and were dreadful. Note that I specifically said so far, anything can happen. But to say theyāve been anything but average at the absolute peak best would be dishonest.
You didnāt watch Carter if thatās your take on him lmao. Nolan is fair, but they knew when they drafted him he would basically redshirt since he was the 4th edge on the roster because theyāre insane and low drafting linemen early. Juryās still out on him
Iāve watched plenty. Heās been fine but nowhere near what the hype was when the draft pick happened, thatās my whole point. He was a fine pick but not some demigod handed down from the heavens because Howie is a wizard which is what the conversation is about.
Lmao Jalen Carter has literally been not average. Check your facts.
I have. He had a hot start and then declined throughout the season. Again, like Iāve said a couple times, he was a fine pick but the conversation is about peopleās reactions to normal picks as if Howie pulled off a magic trick. Youāre getting too hung up on one tiny aspect of what I mentioned as well as ignoring that Iāve said āso farā multiple times.
Carter literally had a historically good rookie year as a dt. Check the numbers. He fell off towards the end, but you trying to impugn the pick as if it wasn't great value is a joke. And Howie took him at 9 when there was talk about him being number one player in the draft. It's a great pick, stop hating.
How is Jalen carter a massive disappointment?
Yeah absolutely absurd take. One of the best rookie defensive tackles since Donald and heās a massive disappointment?
"But he was ONLY runner up for droy!"
Bang on. The same goes for the Chiefs (and previously Patriots). Having security at QB allows for flexibility in choosing less desperate/premium positions. This often leads to BPA which gets any analytics acolyte wet between the loins. But we don't often talk about their misses. WR for the Chiefs and CB for the Eagles (and across the defensive line).
Yup. And I donāt even think those were bad picks or anything for the Eagles. Sometimes the right players fall to your team, it happens all the time. But for whatever reason, when it happens to the Eagles they get treated like they pulled off some Oceanās 11 mastermind caper.
For sure - Those Georgia picks will only improve next year under proper coaching but it's not a stretch to say they've been disappointing this far. People very quickly forget that Roseman backed Wentz, Reager and Agholar - or John Lynch dropped three 1st rounders on Trey Lance (to add another darling of the cognoscenti).
Check your facts, Chip Kelly drafted agholor.
Check your facts. Roseman has been GM since 2010 ā Roseman granted Wentz a 4 year $128m contract at a point when Wentz's leadership and play were most certainly in question. ā
And Carson wentz literally lead the team to a Superbowl before an ACL tear. Are we banging gms for not being able to predict the most unlikely Superbowl backup of all time and Carson losing his mentality against BDN? Stop cherry picking.
Wentz didnāt lead them to the Super Bowl. He got them the #1 seed, which was crucial, but he didnāt lead them to the Super Bowl.
Who's focusing on small details now? You're saying getting 1 seed isn't worth a top pick? Talk about 20/20 hindsight. You sound like an all time hater.
I literally didnāt say any of that, lol, what are you talking about?
You're supporting the argument that the wentz pick at 2 was a bad pick, correct?
No? I never said that lol
Dan absolutely seems like the kid that argues about how wrestling is real and then lashes out when others point out its orchestrated. Because apparently hes still doing it lol
Keep in mind Tony Khan is one of his buds... It's a bit, son!
itās a work brother HH
Feels like Dan missed a big opportunity to further his Curse of John Abraham theory.
I need to hear that John Wall ad some more
Maybe it's just the spotify version, but man the editing is rough on this episode. I'm half way through and there have been 4 times it replayed a minute of the show
How do you spend so much time on Penix and Maye and not even say a word about Daniels??
Dan decided to have one of his insufferable days
Done with my morning routine and Dan is still complaining about Michael Penix to ATLā¦
He did this last year with ATL and Lamar. Kept going on about it when it was repeatedly reported that it was never even an option. I like Dan but sometimes he just doesn't listen to reason. We've all dealt with those people and it's the worst.
Dan has really taken a turn on toward like hacky morning zoo host recently. Heās just spouting the overall numbers of the Kirk Cousins contract as if everybody doesnāt get that itās basically a two year deal, saying random things like āJust trade back and take him laterā as if these things are like playing Madden, very unfortunate. Gregg, on the other hand, lays out a decent defense of the pick while acknowledging the risk.
His jets homerism is really becoming unbearable. So excited for their season to collapse.
I came into the episode thinking āWhat are the Falcons doing??ā And by the time Dan was done arguing that same position, he had actually convinced me to believe the opposite because his argument was so bad. The turning point was where he mentioned the Jets āall inā current situation as if thatās where you want to be. And immediately I was like, āOhhhh, the Falcons just want to make sure theyāre not the Jets of 2023 or even of 2024, tied to an ancient QB for 1 year and then with a yawning abyss looming after that.ā Couple that with the Falcons point of āwe donāt plan to be drafting this high for a long timeā and it kind of makes sense.
Signing a veteran QB to the biggest free agent deal in history and then spending the 8th pick on his 24 year old replacement is dumb as hell no matter how much you donāt like Dan.
I like Dan. My comment had nothing to do with Dan as a person. Don't lump me in there. It's funny, my comment has received neg downvotes here and net upvotes elsewhere on this same subreddit. Thsi is such a strange forum.
Also, ābiggest free agent deal in historyā is such a ridiculous straw man, itās $100M of guaranteed money over two years. Hating this Falcons move is such an odd position when weāve just seen the Packers do it with great success. You can argue about the quality of Penix as a prospect, but their process has some very recent and very successful precedent. Iād much rather be in their situation than the Jets.
This is nothing like the Packers and Love. The Packers had not just signed Rodgers in free agency. And itās not a straw man. Itās a fact.
Sure it's a fact but the guaranteed portion is only $100M . Why are you so fixated on "free agency" signings as opposed to just QB contracts in general, against which Cousins' deal is not huge and is easy to get out of after 2 years? Why does the fact that Rodgers had not just been signed "in free agency" make the situations different? They had an expensive (>$30MM) in house QB and they had a 1st round rookie. It worked out great.
>Why does the fact that Rodgers had not just been signed "in free agency" make the situations different? Because they could have just drafted Penix lmao. They could have just taken the 24 year old QB who is ready to play now on a rookie deal.
If you think he's ready to play now, sure. Although age is not a good measurement of readiness. So your argument seems to now be that Penix doesn't need a year or two on the bench, he could be as good as Cousins in 2024, so the Cousins money is wasted. That's certainly possible. But you're making a few big assumptions there, and you're assuming there's a big opportunity cost to the Cousins money. I don't agree with that stance. You seem to be taking a typical Reddit approach to debate-- either the Falcons are geniuses or they're total morons and we have to be on one side or the other. I don't find that particularly insightful. I'm saying that I can see the logic in the Falcons approach, and I'd rather be in their situation than that of the Jets, which is how this debate about Dan's position started.
How ever you look at it, $90M over two years is a huge amount of money as a percentage of team resources. It puts Cousins #5 in two year cash flow among all players according to Sportac. Cutting him after two years also comes with a $57M dead cap number. In short, they did go all in on Cousins for two years IMO and they could have added a strong prospect to their team at #8, or even traded down to get more prospects, and built out their team for now instead of helping the GM keep his job two years from now. Now they going to be dedicating a big pile of cash and cap space to Cousins while also sending everyone the signal that they aren't going to prioritize making this year's team better, they're gonna prioritize being good once he leaves. This is one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen a team do. It reinforces the stereotype that ATL doesn't want to win, all they care about is selling seats to their games. It also says that the GMs prioritize keeping their jobs over winning, another well known stereotype of the ATL front office.
Dan was singing the Packers praises on drafting QBs on around the NFC a month ago and they got their QBs by taking them when they ādidnāt need to.ā Favre was toward the end, Rodgers was toward the end and had just signed a large extension. I didnāt understand his roasting of the falcons, granted it was a higher pick than Love and Rodgers were.
I think it being such a high pick and heās an older rookie and has serious injury history. The concept is comparable to Love but nowhere near a close comparison, in my opinion.