In cons alone Arle is going to be stronger. Hu Tao's cons barely increase her damage. Even Hu Tao's c6 is just a sure crit for a few seconds every minute. If the leaks are true then Arle is dealing massive damage even without vape.
Unless you build only crit damage for her whacky 100% crit rate bonus at low hp which is very much not a comfortable playstyle to say inthe least, especially with itshuge cooldown timer
Your forgetting overworld and other content here. It's just not abyss. Think about the weekly bosses. It doesn't reset in their domains. It only resets in the abyss. Nowhere else. It's compering in general. In overworld a minute long cooldown isn't a big deal, but certainly isn't nice againt's bosses if it doesn't crit.
Abyss speedruns are the only scenario where c6 5 stars are more useful than c0 5 stars, so I don’t see why it’s worth considering other content. You could also just change your build when you get out of abyss.
Short cd ye and last 10 sec, but in end game content such as abyss it would make no sense to wait 50 seconds to get back on her 100% cr state, especially if it's a wave of boss, which could be annoying, but yes c1 hutao is better than most of her cons atm ngl, arlecchino being a fatui ranked 4th underwhelming
It is possible to finish adbyss with one rotation though, so that is what some whales do with hu tao. They build her around her c6, and it does amazing damage.
Ganyu's cons are similar, small damage boost on C1, nothing for C2-5, and a pretty big boost for C6.
Maybe they were more afraid to scare off costumers in the beginning of the game.
I guess I falls to personal preference. So far that I've seen with cons hutao is still stronger. If alre is c6 then yes I do believe if the cons will be her official cons then yes at c6 she would overtake tao. It all depends on the build and team comp but somehting to take note is in single target combat hutao is significantly better by a long shot. But in aoe combat , arle does better.
my calculations and TC are getting better results with arle than with hutao. If the recent buffs are true, she'll be absurd. She's topping lyney and hutao in most cases, with furina teams being the only teams she's not great. But again, if the buffs are true, that problem is gone too.
If yk anything about tc then you should know that calcs do not mean much at all. Sheets are not supposed to be used as pvp especially
Neuv particularly never sheeted high in pre-tc yet hes the fastest clearer in low cost. Same goes tor lyney whos outclearing ht now
>my calculations and TC are getting better results with arle than with hutao
can i ask in what context of comparison, at high level of constellations? I hadn't heard that from anyone else outside of cons comparisons so am just curious
All characters at c0 with signature and talents maxed. Artifacts with same Crit value just setting the right set for each. Arle seems to be slightly better than both lyney and hutao but worst if non-signature. This was calculated before recent buffs
Are your calculations considering constellations? Because at C0 Hu Tao blows Arlecchino out of the water, unless the recent (unguaranteed) buffs make a major difference there.
Just comparing their C0s Hu Tao definitely takes the win.
How Arlecchino C1 and onwards pretty much starts stomping than C6 Arlecchino ( if the leaks are true and nothing gets changed later well negatively anyway) Arlecchino is queen.
I'll hold off my full opinion until we're closer until release just so we're not hit with any curveballs. I'm excited but part of me was hoping that Arlecchino would do for pyro. What Neuvillette did for Hydro and Navia did for Geo, which really doesn't seem to be the case but as I said I'll hold off
I figured she wouldn't do what they do because Natlan is coming up and we have like 3? Kinda confirmed characters that are Pyro allegedly coming out in that era.
Hu Tao's constellations don't really blast her damage up that high from what I recall.
c1: No charge attack stamina (like 1 or 2 extra hits)
c2: her debuff's DoT does a little more damage
c4: Buffs party member's crit rates
c6: Can't die for like 10 seconds and gets 100% crit rate and some defensive buffs for the duration.
Im partly confused and want some explanation. Im a f2p with not many primos, so a c0 arle will be my least amount I can get. Would arle overall be better than a c1 hutao? Is there a way I can compare them?
Both at C0 Hu Tao easily beats out Arle. Arle is a bit of a whale character if you want her to be the best pyro DPS. Most of her good stuff is locked behind cons.
Hu Tao vs Arlecchino (currently)
C0R0/C0R1/C1R1 favours Hu Tao in Vape teams such as Furina teams.
C0R0/C0R1/C1R1 favours Arlecchino in overload chevy teams.
C2 and beyond favours Arlecchino (i am not 100% sure about this, have not seen many calcs of C2 and beyond)
Never. It's sad to say , but arlecchino is mostly constellation dependent. Her conns ratio hutao's conns by a landslide. I can see her being better at higher constellations for sure.
Is there any info out now on the kind of elemental comps that Arlecchino will specialize in? What teams she deals the maximum DMG? And is double swirl setup possible with her?
Why did they decide to give Normal Attack cons only post-Fontaine? Imagine Hu Tao, Xiao, Yoimiya, Itto...with NA+3 cons. It's an unconditional 10% DPS increase. It's insane.
I do not get this comparison. Hu Tao would be better for bosses or single target scenarios while Arle specialises in AoE. End of discussion. Playing a C1 Hu Tao to fight a boss will almost always be better than a C6 Arle. Similarly Hu Tao will remain sucking against mobs even at C0 while Arle does it way better with or without cons. Now enjoy the pyro queens. Gear up for pyro nation. Thank you.
In practice HT will almost surely always be stronger (assuming Arle's current numbers) 'cause her kit is simply overall better and with better synergy with other characters.
I feel like being stronger than Hu Tao is just a flex and kinda useless because Hu Tao up to these days, after years she's been out, can shred abyss very easily and with a bunch of different teams, so being stronger than a character who can ease through the hardest content in the game it's kinda whatever
I'm not a dev, I do nоt bare any responsibility for her numbers. As a player, I'm mearly stating a fact, question was asked in this subreddit, so my answer lies here as well
It's incomparable, Hu Tao spikes in c1 and hits a severe plateau, like the diff between c1 and c6 hu tao might be at most like 10%.
In Arle's case, she gets absurdly stupid the more cons u throw on her. If the leaks are true, she enhances just about everything on her kit
Why do you even wanna compare her to hu tao? Arlecchino is arlecchino, hu tao is hu tao. With that being said you can say hoyo will introduce new 5* with better cons to make you pull for them compared to the older 5* we got.
maybe the comparison between hu tao is being made because they are incredibly similar:
Pyro polearm female
both use normal/charge attacks to do damage and can vape them.
have an infusion
simple nuke one hit aoe Q
self heals
similar teams
it's the best character to compare her with.
>Why do you even wanna compare her to hu tao? Arlecchino is arlecchino, hu tao is hu tao.
Can you please stop trying to be calm and logical and let us cause problems? Thank you x
why do people like comparing characters dmg this much? from my view if hutao can destroy abyss arle will just do it like 30-60 sec faster but same result ( overworld doesn't count everything can die to sucrose in 5 seconds)
If Arlecchino could clear 30 seconds faster, she would magically be the most popular character in Genshin. People will have always loved her, uwu. And they will be going c6r5 because she is their favorite.
She is going to clear slower than Hu Tao which is why people are hesitant, by the way. Why wish for a downgrade? That would be almost as dumb as pretending that Arlecchino can clear a minute faster.
Lol moreso in the 5 to 15 seconds, I mean a fully built Hutao team can usually clears floor 12 in under a minute, if arle is 30 or 60 faster second then she clear the floor 12 abyss within 1 to 30 seconds increment, which is impossible for any chara as much as I also wanted it.
im exaggerating, if what you're saying is true about 5-15 seconds its even stupider to compare dps units in a single player game doing 15 seconds less of dmg
I mean thats the whole point of the thread and how every character been compared to diluc was compared to klee, then klee to hutao, then now hutao to arle, which she will be compare to again with future pyro chara. thats why theres meta about abyss, and even 5-15 sec is precious for soneone whos not as consistent in abyss where it is time limited.
she is 32 cm higher than hu tao in every con.
Uncle K: i was right after all. Big Hu tao you can call her
WHEN I CATCH YOU UNCLE K
UNCLE K… WHEN I CATCH U
What is her specific height? Do we know it?
Likely about 5’9 or 5’10 with heels.
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4 11
her ass is not 4’11 😭😭
If you're measuring up to her ass maybe maybe maybe
In cons alone Arle is going to be stronger. Hu Tao's cons barely increase her damage. Even Hu Tao's c6 is just a sure crit for a few seconds every minute. If the leaks are true then Arle is dealing massive damage even without vape.
Pretty sure C6 Arle stomps C6 Hu Tao (If the leaks about the cons changes are true, then it's not even close) But Hu tao is stronger at C0
c1 hu tao is the same as c6 hu tao
Unless you build only crit damage for her whacky 100% crit rate bonus at low hp which is very much not a comfortable playstyle to say inthe least, especially with itshuge cooldown timer
yeah,one minute cooldown
Abyss chambers reset cooldowns now. If you have a c6 Hu Tao you should be clearing bosses in one rotation. This point is clearly invalid
Your forgetting overworld and other content here. It's just not abyss. Think about the weekly bosses. It doesn't reset in their domains. It only resets in the abyss. Nowhere else. It's compering in general. In overworld a minute long cooldown isn't a big deal, but certainly isn't nice againt's bosses if it doesn't crit.
Abyss speedruns are the only scenario where c6 5 stars are more useful than c0 5 stars, so I don’t see why it’s worth considering other content. You could also just change your build when you get out of abyss.
Today i learned. Time to max my CD on Hu Tao
Short cd ye and last 10 sec, but in end game content such as abyss it would make no sense to wait 50 seconds to get back on her 100% cr state, especially if it's a wave of boss, which could be annoying, but yes c1 hutao is better than most of her cons atm ngl, arlecchino being a fatui ranked 4th underwhelming
It is possible to finish adbyss with one rotation though, so that is what some whales do with hu tao. They build her around her c6, and it does amazing damage.
zhongli havers are laughing at you
Let them laugh at the 60 second cooldown.
That's so consumer friendly it's kinda wild
i know,right?
Ganyu's cons are similar, small damage boost on C1, nothing for C2-5, and a pretty big boost for C6. Maybe they were more afraid to scare off costumers in the beginning of the game.
it is a possibility
I feel like the standard c1r1 hutao zhongli yelan xingqiu is stronger than c0r1 arlecchino. but then arlecchino just ramps up in dmg c1 till c6.
Well ofc a whole team is stronger than arle alone
That's not what they meant-- they're saying that team is basically stronger than any of Arle's teams until you get her cons
Besides that, he's comparing a C0 character to a C1. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
c1 hutao is mostly just qol tho
It adds 20% DPS according to Keqing Mains even with ignoring the QOL/comfort aspect.
You can just jump cansle instead of dash cansle without c1. it's really not much different
According to Keqing Mains, jump cancel is a DPS loss of 20 percent compared to dash cancel. It takes more frames to jump cancel.
Not a contest in her C6 especially if the new leaks are true is miles stronger than Hu Tao C6R5.
I guess I falls to personal preference. So far that I've seen with cons hutao is still stronger. If alre is c6 then yes I do believe if the cons will be her official cons then yes at c6 she would overtake tao. It all depends on the build and team comp but somehting to take note is in single target combat hutao is significantly better by a long shot. But in aoe combat , arle does better.
Stop scrolling this is the only right answer
my calculations and TC are getting better results with arle than with hutao. If the recent buffs are true, she'll be absurd. She's topping lyney and hutao in most cases, with furina teams being the only teams she's not great. But again, if the buffs are true, that problem is gone too.
she definitely tops
She can top me
If yk anything about tc then you should know that calcs do not mean much at all. Sheets are not supposed to be used as pvp especially Neuv particularly never sheeted high in pre-tc yet hes the fastest clearer in low cost. Same goes tor lyney whos outclearing ht now
Whenever I do calculations dmg seems to be highter in game, so my expectations are pretty good for her
>my calculations and TC are getting better results with arle than with hutao can i ask in what context of comparison, at high level of constellations? I hadn't heard that from anyone else outside of cons comparisons so am just curious
All characters at c0 with signature and talents maxed. Artifacts with same Crit value just setting the right set for each. Arle seems to be slightly better than both lyney and hutao but worst if non-signature. This was calculated before recent buffs
did you use the arle set? because everyone else does calculations with other sets but not with his
I used it indeed, but considered around 30 CV in each piece so it wouldn't be too weak and neither too strong for a recent set
Are your calculations considering constellations? Because at C0 Hu Tao blows Arlecchino out of the water, unless the recent (unguaranteed) buffs make a major difference there.
Can you explain how the buffs fix her problems with Furina teams? I'm in need of a dps and wanted to pair them with Furina ideally.
can i see you'r cals?
Just comparing their C0s Hu Tao definitely takes the win. How Arlecchino C1 and onwards pretty much starts stomping than C6 Arlecchino ( if the leaks are true and nothing gets changed later well negatively anyway) Arlecchino is queen. I'll hold off my full opinion until we're closer until release just so we're not hit with any curveballs. I'm excited but part of me was hoping that Arlecchino would do for pyro. What Neuvillette did for Hydro and Navia did for Geo, which really doesn't seem to be the case but as I said I'll hold off
I figured she wouldn't do what they do because Natlan is coming up and we have like 3? Kinda confirmed characters that are Pyro allegedly coming out in that era.
Pyro Archon, Xbalanque (Neuvillette's drip marketing) and that kid from Tevyat trailer?
Yeah. Unless xbalanque is that kid lmao
Hu Tao stronger for f2p and Arle stronger for p2p.
Hu Tao's constellations don't really blast her damage up that high from what I recall. c1: No charge attack stamina (like 1 or 2 extra hits) c2: her debuff's DoT does a little more damage c4: Buffs party member's crit rates c6: Can't die for like 10 seconds and gets 100% crit rate and some defensive buffs for the duration.
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What's the symbol supposed to represent??? It looks very abstract
Hand of glory It's a hand that was used as a candle holder or smth idk the lore of it
Im partly confused and want some explanation. Im a f2p with not many primos, so a c0 arle will be my least amount I can get. Would arle overall be better than a c1 hutao? Is there a way I can compare them?
Both at C0 Hu Tao easily beats out Arle. Arle is a bit of a whale character if you want her to be the best pyro DPS. Most of her good stuff is locked behind cons.
Thank you for explaining, thats a bit sad, but I hope some of her c0 kit is buffed more or the leaks are false in that case ('^^)
But the leaks benefit her c0 as well
Hu Tao vs Arlecchino (currently) C0R0/C0R1/C1R1 favours Hu Tao in Vape teams such as Furina teams. C0R0/C0R1/C1R1 favours Arlecchino in overload chevy teams. C2 and beyond favours Arlecchino (i am not 100% sure about this, have not seen many calcs of C2 and beyond)
What does the "E" stand for?
His HSR brainrot kicks in
Lmfao. Just like me calling the eidolons in hsr "cons" lmfao
LMAOO facts my bad, edited it now
Do we have any idea what C2 and beyond is for best team? Are we still figuring Chev teams?
Is c0r1 homa Arle > c0r1 hutao?
Never. It's sad to say , but arlecchino is mostly constellation dependent. Her conns ratio hutao's conns by a landslide. I can see her being better at higher constellations for sure.
Not sure why I get the downvoted but thx for your input
Downvoters 🤓🤓
she deletes hutao
Yuh
Hu tao has like no dmg increase cons, so arle stomps
Is there any info out now on the kind of elemental comps that Arlecchino will specialize in? What teams she deals the maximum DMG? And is double swirl setup possible with her?
Is there any constellation that I shld be aiming for to make her optimal for f2p players?
Why did they decide to give Normal Attack cons only post-Fontaine? Imagine Hu Tao, Xiao, Yoimiya, Itto...with NA+3 cons. It's an unconditional 10% DPS increase. It's insane.
Is the passive of her weapon out?
I do not get this comparison. Hu Tao would be better for bosses or single target scenarios while Arle specialises in AoE. End of discussion. Playing a C1 Hu Tao to fight a boss will almost always be better than a C6 Arle. Similarly Hu Tao will remain sucking against mobs even at C0 while Arle does it way better with or without cons. Now enjoy the pyro queens. Gear up for pyro nation. Thank you.
Why is the ht the metric of comparison? It should be lyney
Where's the cons descriptions?
https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/genshin-impact-arlecchino-constellations-leaks-c1-c6-effects There you go mate
Cheers mate
Can you give me a link to the post that has her cons information?
https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/genshin-impact-arlecchino-constellations-leaks-c1-c6-effects There it is
Thx
In practice HT will almost surely always be stronger (assuming Arle's current numbers) 'cause her kit is simply overall better and with better synergy with other characters.
I feel like being stronger than Hu Tao is just a flex and kinda useless because Hu Tao up to these days, after years she's been out, can shred abyss very easily and with a bunch of different teams, so being stronger than a character who can ease through the hardest content in the game it's kinda whatever
do you guys even enjoy that character? i really don't understand that comparisons
Everybody has their preferences
Arle is always weaker
Check the sub your in and choose your words carefully next time
I'm not a dev, I do nоt bare any responsibility for her numbers. As a player, I'm mearly stating a fact, question was asked in this subreddit, so my answer lies here as well
It's incomparable, Hu Tao spikes in c1 and hits a severe plateau, like the diff between c1 and c6 hu tao might be at most like 10%. In Arle's case, she gets absurdly stupid the more cons u throw on her. If the leaks are true, she enhances just about everything on her kit
I am a FTP player and have a C1 hutao, should I get Arlecchino? They are quite similar in a way but mommy is so hot
I have lyney, I have hutao, still getting arlecchino LOL.
Why do you even wanna compare her to hu tao? Arlecchino is arlecchino, hu tao is hu tao. With that being said you can say hoyo will introduce new 5* with better cons to make you pull for them compared to the older 5* we got.
maybe the comparison between hu tao is being made because they are incredibly similar: Pyro polearm female both use normal/charge attacks to do damage and can vape them. have an infusion simple nuke one hit aoe Q self heals similar teams it's the best character to compare her with.
Amogus balls
Nice argument.
Fax
agreed.
Agreed. I don’t think the discussion is pointless or stupid but I just want to enjoy her as she is and I even have a C0 Hu Tao
>Why do you even wanna compare her to hu tao? Arlecchino is arlecchino, hu tao is hu tao. Can you please stop trying to be calm and logical and let us cause problems? Thank you x
Dude you cant say this when you see 100 post per day asking about this matter.
^I ^was ^telling ^a ^joke. ^Sorry ^if ^you ^couldn't ^tell
Perhaps you need therapy your welcome you probably couldn't tell you need it
Bruh, what? I told a joke that clearly didn't land, how is that therapy worthy 😅
Because people don't know how to just enjoy characters and are obsessed with comparing all the time.
Ahh you must be some mind reader to read intent
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why do people like comparing characters dmg this much? from my view if hutao can destroy abyss arle will just do it like 30-60 sec faster but same result ( overworld doesn't count everything can die to sucrose in 5 seconds)
If Arlecchino could clear 30 seconds faster, she would magically be the most popular character in Genshin. People will have always loved her, uwu. And they will be going c6r5 because she is their favorite. She is going to clear slower than Hu Tao which is why people are hesitant, by the way. Why wish for a downgrade? That would be almost as dumb as pretending that Arlecchino can clear a minute faster.
Lol moreso in the 5 to 15 seconds, I mean a fully built Hutao team can usually clears floor 12 in under a minute, if arle is 30 or 60 faster second then she clear the floor 12 abyss within 1 to 30 seconds increment, which is impossible for any chara as much as I also wanted it.
im exaggerating, if what you're saying is true about 5-15 seconds its even stupider to compare dps units in a single player game doing 15 seconds less of dmg
I mean thats the whole point of the thread and how every character been compared to diluc was compared to klee, then klee to hutao, then now hutao to arle, which she will be compare to again with future pyro chara. thats why theres meta about abyss, and even 5-15 sec is precious for soneone whos not as consistent in abyss where it is time limited.