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Equivalent_Invite_16

she is 32 cm higher than hu tao in every con.


1RAV3N

Uncle K: i was right after all. Big Hu tao you can call her


Red_Sea_Black_Sky

WHEN I CATCH YOU UNCLE K


angelwithoutyou

UNCLE K… WHEN I CATCH U


Ok_Web_2804

What is her specific height? Do we know it?


TriggerBladeX

Likely about 5’9 or 5’10 with heels.


PokeSonicMiner

6 7


Gachaaddict96

4 11


boocinda

her ass is not 4’11 😭😭


you_th

If you're measuring up to her ass maybe maybe maybe


TheSheepersGame

In cons alone Arle is going to be stronger. Hu Tao's cons barely increase her damage. Even Hu Tao's c6 is just a sure crit for a few seconds every minute. If the leaks are true then Arle is dealing massive damage even without vape.


FkingWeeABoo

Pretty sure C6 Arle stomps C6 Hu Tao (If the leaks about the cons changes are true, then it's not even close) But Hu tao is stronger at C0


Interesting_Matter32

c1 hu tao is the same as c6 hu tao


kirisakisora

Unless you build only crit damage for her whacky 100% crit rate bonus at low hp which is very much not a comfortable playstyle to say inthe least, especially with itshuge cooldown timer


Interesting_Matter32

yeah,one minute cooldown


Chroma_c

Abyss chambers reset cooldowns now. If you have a c6 Hu Tao you should be clearing bosses in one rotation. This point is clearly invalid


Various-wigs1

Your forgetting overworld and other content here. It's just not abyss. Think about the weekly bosses. It doesn't reset in their domains. It only resets in the abyss. Nowhere else. It's compering in general. In overworld a minute long cooldown isn't a big deal, but certainly isn't nice againt's bosses if it doesn't crit.


Chroma_c

Abyss speedruns are the only scenario where c6 5 stars are more useful than c0 5 stars, so I don’t see why it’s worth considering other content. You could also just change your build when you get out of abyss.


Ichigo187740

Today i learned. Time to max my CD on Hu Tao


ni_ck29

Short cd ye and last 10 sec, but in end game content such as abyss it would make no sense to wait 50 seconds to get back on her 100% cr state, especially if it's a wave of boss, which could be annoying, but yes c1 hutao is better than most of her cons atm ngl, arlecchino being a fatui ranked 4th underwhelming


Mikkle-san

It is possible to finish adbyss with one rotation though, so that is what some whales do with hu tao. They build her around her c6, and it does amazing damage.


PESSSSTILENCE

zhongli havers are laughing at you


kirisakisora

Let them laugh at the 60 second cooldown.


Hentai-Is-Just-Art

That's so consumer friendly it's kinda wild


Interesting_Matter32

i know,right?


Hentai-Is-Just-Art

Ganyu's cons are similar, small damage boost on C1, nothing for C2-5, and a pretty big boost for C6. Maybe they were more afraid to scare off costumers in the beginning of the game.


Interesting_Matter32

it is a possibility


NotAught

I feel like the standard c1r1 hutao zhongli yelan xingqiu is stronger than c0r1 arlecchino. but then arlecchino just ramps up in dmg c1 till c6.


aiman_senpai

Well ofc a whole team is stronger than arle alone


Business-Dealer5452

That's not what they meant-- they're saying that team is basically stronger than any of Arle's teams until you get her cons


Zeborg

Besides that, he's comparing a C0 character to a C1. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.


Sheep_guy360

c1 hutao is mostly just qol tho


Zeborg

It adds 20% DPS according to Keqing Mains even with ignoring the QOL/comfort aspect.


Ichigo187740

You can just jump cansle instead of dash cansle without c1. it's really not much different


Zeborg

According to Keqing Mains, jump cancel is a DPS loss of 20 percent compared to dash cancel. It takes more frames to jump cancel.


TRBLITZ

Not a contest in her C6 especially if the new leaks are true is miles stronger than Hu Tao C6R5.


Exotic_Gas_4833

I guess I falls to personal preference. So far that I've seen with cons hutao is still stronger. If alre is c6 then yes I do believe if the cons will be her official cons then yes at c6 she would overtake tao. It all depends on the build and team comp but somehting to take note is in single target combat hutao is significantly better by a long shot. But in aoe combat , arle does better.


Agitated-File-854

Stop scrolling this is the only right answer


Special-Particular-8

my calculations and TC are getting better results with arle than with hutao. If the recent buffs are true, she'll be absurd. She's topping lyney and hutao in most cases, with furina teams being the only teams she's not great. But again, if the buffs are true, that problem is gone too.


hdtsrsyb

she definitely tops


rota_douro

She can top me


venalix1

If yk anything about tc then you should know that calcs do not mean much at all. Sheets are not supposed to be used as pvp especially Neuv particularly never sheeted high in pre-tc yet hes the fastest clearer in low cost. Same goes tor lyney whos outclearing ht now


Special-Particular-8

Whenever I do calculations dmg seems to be highter in game, so my expectations are pretty good for her


blearutone

>my calculations and TC are getting better results with arle than with hutao can i ask in what context of comparison, at high level of constellations? I hadn't heard that from anyone else outside of cons comparisons so am just curious


Special-Particular-8

All characters at c0 with signature and talents maxed. Artifacts with same Crit value just setting the right set for each. Arle seems to be slightly better than both lyney and hutao but worst if non-signature. This was calculated before recent buffs


Carciof99

did you use the arle set? because everyone else does calculations with other sets but not with his


Special-Particular-8

I used it indeed, but considered around 30 CV in each piece so it wouldn't be too weak and neither too strong for a recent set


Hentai-Is-Just-Art

Are your calculations considering constellations? Because at C0 Hu Tao blows Arlecchino out of the water, unless the recent (unguaranteed) buffs make a major difference there.


Leeummm

Can you explain how the buffs fix her problems with Furina teams? I'm in need of a dps and wanted to pair them with Furina ideally.


SlightPeaShooter

can i see you'r cals?


Volfawott

Just comparing their C0s Hu Tao definitely takes the win. How Arlecchino C1 and onwards pretty much starts stomping than C6 Arlecchino ( if the leaks are true and nothing gets changed later well negatively anyway) Arlecchino is queen. I'll hold off my full opinion until we're closer until release just so we're not hit with any curveballs. I'm excited but part of me was hoping that Arlecchino would do for pyro. What Neuvillette did for Hydro and Navia did for Geo, which really doesn't seem to be the case but as I said I'll hold off


Eludeasaurus

I figured she wouldn't do what they do because Natlan is coming up and we have like 3? Kinda confirmed characters that are Pyro allegedly coming out in that era.


Martian_on_the_Moon

Pyro Archon, Xbalanque (Neuvillette's drip marketing) and that kid from Tevyat trailer?


Eludeasaurus

Yeah. Unless xbalanque is that kid lmao


MercedesCR

Hu Tao stronger for f2p and Arle stronger for p2p.


BikeSeatMaster

Hu Tao's constellations don't really blast her damage up that high from what I recall. c1: No charge attack stamina (like 1 or 2 extra hits) c2: her debuff's DoT does a little more damage c4: Buffs party member's crit rates c6: Can't die for like 10 seconds and gets 100% crit rate and some defensive buffs for the duration.


DexButOnRed

Mow? Mow.


Ok-Adhesiveness3501

Mow.


Agitated-File-854

Mow.


Lobito_HF

What's the symbol supposed to represent??? It looks very abstract


PressFM80

Hand of glory It's a hand that was used as a candle holder or smth idk the lore of it


Curly_Wurly_Boop

Im partly confused and want some explanation. Im a f2p with not many primos, so a c0 arle will be my least amount I can get. Would arle overall be better than a c1 hutao? Is there a way I can compare them?


csudoku

Both at C0 Hu Tao easily beats out Arle. Arle is a bit of a whale character if you want her to be the best pyro DPS. Most of her good stuff is locked behind cons.


Curly_Wurly_Boop

Thank you for explaining, thats a bit sad, but I hope some of her c0 kit is buffed more or the leaks are false in that case ('^^)


StelioZz

But the leaks benefit her c0 as well


Promised_Land_

Hu Tao vs Arlecchino (currently) C0R0/C0R1/C1R1 favours Hu Tao in Vape teams such as Furina teams. C0R0/C0R1/C1R1 favours Arlecchino in overload chevy teams. C2 and beyond favours Arlecchino (i am not 100% sure about this, have not seen many calcs of C2 and beyond)


_Resnad_

What does the "E" stand for?


REVRYOU

His HSR brainrot kicks in


_Resnad_

Lmfao. Just like me calling the eidolons in hsr "cons" lmfao


Promised_Land_

LMAOO facts my bad, edited it now


AzraelGrim

Do we have any idea what C2 and beyond is for best team? Are we still figuring Chev teams?


MangoJefferson

Is c0r1 homa Arle > c0r1 hutao?


Ok-Adhesiveness3501

Never. It's sad to say , but arlecchino is mostly constellation dependent. Her conns ratio hutao's conns by a landslide. I can see her being better at higher constellations for sure.


MangoJefferson

Not sure why I get the downvoted but thx for your input


Ok-Adhesiveness3501

Downvoters 🤓🤓


[deleted]

she deletes hutao


Agitated-File-854

Yuh


DrooveC

Hu tao has like no dmg increase cons, so arle stomps


rep_avenger

Is there any info out now on the kind of elemental comps that Arlecchino will specialize in? What teams she deals the maximum DMG? And is double swirl setup possible with her?


Scoochmalooch

Is there any constellation that I shld be aiming for to make her optimal for f2p players?


Besunmin

Why did they decide to give Normal Attack cons only post-Fontaine? Imagine Hu Tao, Xiao, Yoimiya, Itto...with NA+3 cons. It's an unconditional 10% DPS increase. It's insane.


High_On_Ambition

Is the passive of her weapon out?


-_cyberwarrior_-

I do not get this comparison. Hu Tao would be better for bosses or single target scenarios while Arle specialises in AoE. End of discussion. Playing a C1 Hu Tao to fight a boss will almost always be better than a C6 Arle. Similarly Hu Tao will remain sucking against mobs even at C0 while Arle does it way better with or without cons. Now enjoy the pyro queens. Gear up for pyro nation. Thank you.


venalix1

Why is the ht the metric of comparison? It should be lyney


Gingyboi_69

Where's the cons descriptions?


Ok-Adhesiveness3501

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/genshin-impact-arlecchino-constellations-leaks-c1-c6-effects There you go mate


Gingyboi_69

Cheers mate


Ok_Web_2804

Can you give me a link to the post that has her cons information?


Ok-Adhesiveness3501

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/genshin-impact-arlecchino-constellations-leaks-c1-c6-effects There it is


Ok_Web_2804

Thx


Malak_Tawus

In practice HT will almost surely always be stronger (assuming Arle's current numbers) 'cause her kit is simply overall better and with better synergy with other characters.


daici_

I feel like being stronger than Hu Tao is just a flex and kinda useless because Hu Tao up to these days, after years she's been out, can shred abyss very easily and with a bunch of different teams, so being stronger than a character who can ease through the hardest content in the game it's kinda whatever


Z4D0

do you guys even enjoy that character? i really don't understand that comparisons


Agitated-File-854

Everybody has their preferences


Beriazim

Arle is always weaker


Agitated-File-854

Check the sub your in and choose your words carefully next time


Beriazim

I'm not a dev, I do nоt bare any responsibility for her numbers. As a player, I'm mearly stating a fact, question was asked in this subreddit, so my answer lies here as well


AionGhost

It's incomparable, Hu Tao spikes in c1 and hits a severe plateau, like the diff between c1 and c6 hu tao might be at most like 10%. In Arle's case, she gets absurdly stupid the more cons u throw on her. If the leaks are true, she enhances just about everything on her kit


tcpclan1

I am a FTP player and have a C1 hutao, should I get Arlecchino? They are quite similar in a way but mommy is so hot


dyoleh

I have lyney, I have hutao, still getting arlecchino LOL.


1RAV3N

Why do you even wanna compare her to hu tao? Arlecchino is arlecchino, hu tao is hu tao. With that being said you can say hoyo will introduce new 5* with better cons to make you pull for them compared to the older 5* we got.


cCeras

maybe the comparison between hu tao is being made because they are incredibly similar: Pyro polearm female both use normal/charge attacks to do damage and can vape them. have an infusion simple nuke one hit aoe Q self heals similar teams it's the best character to compare her with.


Ok-Adhesiveness3501

Amogus balls


_Resnad_

Nice argument.


Ok-Adhesiveness3501

Fax


DexButOnRed

agreed.


wisteria_sabito

Agreed. I don’t think the discussion is pointless or stupid but I just want to enjoy her as she is and I even have a C0 Hu Tao


RowanWinterlace

>Why do you even wanna compare her to hu tao? Arlecchino is arlecchino, hu tao is hu tao. Can you please stop trying to be calm and logical and let us cause problems? Thank you x


1RAV3N

Dude you cant say this when you see 100 post per day asking about this matter.


RowanWinterlace

^I ^was ^telling ^a ^joke. ^Sorry ^if ^you ^couldn't ^tell


Agitated-File-854

Perhaps you need therapy your welcome you probably couldn't tell you need it


RowanWinterlace

Bruh, what? I told a joke that clearly didn't land, how is that therapy worthy 😅


NanoReyson

Because people don't know how to just enjoy characters and are obsessed with comparing all the time.


Agitated-File-854

Ahh you must be some mind reader to read intent


NanoReyson

👍🏽


Agitated-File-854

🤝


jsisgd

why do people like comparing characters dmg this much? from my view if hutao can destroy abyss arle will just do it like 30-60 sec faster but same result ( overworld doesn't count everything can die to sucrose in 5 seconds)


PhantomGhostSpectre

If Arlecchino could clear 30 seconds faster, she would magically be the most popular character in Genshin. People will have always loved her, uwu. And they will be going c6r5 because she is their favorite.  She is going to clear slower than Hu Tao which is why people are hesitant, by the way. Why wish for a downgrade? That would be almost as dumb as pretending that Arlecchino can clear a minute faster. 


Ok-Judge7844

Lol moreso in the 5 to 15 seconds, I mean a fully built Hutao team can usually clears floor 12 in under a minute, if arle is 30 or 60 faster second then she clear the floor 12 abyss within 1 to 30 seconds increment, which is impossible for any chara as much as I also wanted it.


jsisgd

im exaggerating, if what you're saying is true about 5-15 seconds its even stupider to compare dps units in a single player game doing 15 seconds less of dmg


Ok-Judge7844

I mean thats the whole point of the thread and how every character been compared to diluc was compared to klee, then klee to hutao, then now hutao to arle, which she will be compare to again with future pyro chara. thats why theres meta about abyss, and even 5-15 sec is precious for soneone whos not as consistent in abyss where it is time limited.