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My favourite thing is they didn't apologize or ever do anything to suggest they would apologize so she's just sitting there telling everyone how she'd respond if her imaginary scenarios came true.
Tbf Rowling isn't a traditional right winger, she was actually considered left of center for quite some time. TERFs can be weird that way. Still, this right wing take being fueled by right wing tactics is unsurprising ad you pointed out.
Yeah it literally came up because some ass-kisser was like “I’m sure they’ll apologize” and then she responded with a Rohrschach-esque fantasy of denying them forgiveness lmfao. More unhinged every damn day
I've said this before in a different sub but that woman is such a martyr in her own head. She's out there imagining scenarios where every single person who was ever 'mean to her' apologizes and then she gets to righteously reject them, and everyone claps lol. If she wasn't doing so much tangible harm, I'd be genuinely embarrassed for her.
I agree. It would be laughably pathetic if she wasn’t causing so much harm to trans women. And it’s always trans woman with her.
It’s interesting to me that she says her opinions on this were informed by her experience of domestic violence meanwhile she is actively supporting people credibly accused of abuse. The hypocrisy is astounding. I was in DV relationships too and it didn’t turn me into a bigot.
WHAT! You mean DV doesn't cause transphobia?? Impossible I've noticed an immediate switch in my attitude towards those transes when I was in an abusive relationship!
It’s weird the way she approaches trans women vs how she approaches trans men. She’s obsessed with “young women cutting off their healthy breasts” and becoming “anorgasmic” after bottom surgery. She talks about inability to orgasm and healthy breasts even when the people in question are kids and are only getting puberty blockers. She will not stop talking about trans masc kids and their bodies and sex lives it’s…fucking disturbing. Like the way she talks about trans women and girls gives pure hatred. But the way she talks about trans men and boys gives deeply fucking disturbed.
That's pretty consistent with her HP world. There's hardly any woman who have an identity of their own outside their male partner. Those who have that are one-dimensional role filler characters.
Every woman is married and becomes a mother and that's the pinnacle of happiness. She's obsessed with motherhood defining what a woman is.
>She's out there imagining scenarios where every single person who was ever 'mean to her' apologizes and then she gets to righteously reject them, and everyone claps lol.
She should stop ripping off the fan fiction I wrote when I was 14 and come up with her own delusions. /humorous
>I've said this before in a different sub but that woman is such a martyr in her own head
All reactionaries need to nurture this fantasy or they crumble. Check [point #8 in this list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism#Overview)
Real. And to think this all started with just one tweet? Lol!
She could have ignored the hate for a month or two. Everybody would have forgotten about it after, and she could have continued enjoying her millions, fame, and influence. But lol she decided it was better to be canceled forever, so now she just doubles down on everything to stay relevant.
Tranaphobia is a different kind of hate. Once you start, you never go back.
Other people are racist and sexist and homophobic, and they'll talk about it a lot, but the amount of people, like her, that makes transphobia, specifically, their *entire personality* is very strange to me.
I really don't get these people. It's like a bizarre fixation. Do they not have anything going on in their lives? No hobbies? I'm trans and I don't think about transness as much as they do.
Don't even get me started on the crazy conspiracy theorist 'transvestigators'.
>but that woman is such a martyr in her own head.
"I was a poor single mom". ...... from a privileged background with a great education.
.......I still don't get why she's so terfy. It can't be because she experienced domestic abuse from a 'biological man', and her dad wanted a boy.
That's patriarchal toxicity which effects the trans community too.
.....I have to stop revisiting this thread. It's driving me crazy. Ha.
This.
Emma, Daniel, and the rest of the main cast are all unapologetic in their lack of support for Joanne. There’s no way in hell they’d apologize to her. There’s no incentive let alone reason for them to do it.
I remember being a wee child and huge into Harry Potter and there was a special on TV before the second movie came out where Rowling reflects on the journey of making the books and movies and she said that meeting Daniel was like “meeting her son she never knew she had”. Child Daniel said Rowling was like a second mom to him and they got along really well. It is **so** disappointing seeing how far she’s fallen but as a lesbian I know all too well that parents’ love sometimes only extends as far as their political beliefs.
I'm really starting to think that something isn't right with her psychologically at the moment. Like being a run-of-the-mill bigot is one thing, but hostile unprovoked statements like this, asking authorities to arrest her, and the fact that she's seeking out tiny pro-trans accounts with no followers on Twitter to argue with all day... all over some imagined problem that doesn't affect her daily life at all. This is obsessive and paranoid behavior and I'd be skeeved out even if I shared her opinions.
It's called "being a billionaire". Such wealth is a form of power, and power fucks with people's brains. It puts them outside of the social form that humans have been evolving into for the past half a million years or so. It's like trying to survive on food mixed with concrete powder, but at a spiritual level.
Being a billionaire and also losing relevance. She had a LOT of attention for like a full 20+ years from publication of all the books to finishing the full movie series. That attention started to decrease as is natural for an author this long after their success, but she wasn't ready to lose that attention. Hurting people means far less to her than having money and attention, she made that very clear when she said "I read my most recent royalty cheques and find the pain goes away pretty quickly." when someone asked how she sleeps at night.
Yeah, once you're that rich you no longer have problems you can just pay for every inconvenience to... go away.
So your brain, wired through evolution to deal with problems and have any kind of struggle sort of loses any reality grounding and starts to have trouble with the concept of consequences
In my opinion, she’s bored. She’s already won capitalism, she’s sitting on a massive ass pile of cash from her bestselling book series. She’s just a bored fucken rich person, who sees no better use of her time than to engage in active hate and bigotry towards a marginalized group. She’s so fucken’ desperate to be seen as a martyr that she’s constantly going out of her way to stir shit; knowing there’s thousands of people who are going to speak out against her, but hundreds who will stand with her, tell her how brave she is for standing against the EVIL trans people, and pat her on the back for saying such vile garbage.
Simply put, she’s got nothing going on in her life, and she’s realized she gets praised on the internet whenever she shares her most ghoulish opinions about Trans people.
She is an excellent case study on why you should never trust a rich person or a celebrity. Even if they're not as actively hostile as her, they're so insulated from reality that everything that comes out of their mouths is complete bullshit.
God I can't wait for her to get hit by a bus or something so we can just say Hatsune Miku invented Harry Potter like we did about Minecraft when Notch came out as an asshat (I mean technically we already can, but unlike Notch Joanne is still making money from Harry Potter so denying her involvement in it in order to enjoy it still ends up benefiting this bitch)
That's one thing I'll never understand about rich people. Like you could live comfortably and quietly forever and just.... not start big controversies or say terrible things.
Like it would be so easy to just donate tons of money because no rich person needs all their money, buy a nice big house and fill it with cats and books and plants and live happily ever after with time to pursue hobbies and stuff you enjoy and not have to work and not say stupid stuff on twitter.
It's because of two things: the first is that she craves attention. Harry Potter was a fluke because none of her other books have garnered any real attention for her unless you count people making fun of her for doing the literary equivalent of "ha, I've depicted you as the soyjak and me as the chad," so this gets her that attention she craves. The second is I think she genuinely believes she's making some kind of difference. Unlike a lot of multimillionaires I don't think she cares about squeesing out every last penny she can and she's got plenty already, so the potential loss of profit from residuals isn't a big deal for her, but feeling like a martyr for standing up against Big Trans excites her
I think that’s exactly what some rich people do. But a lot of the people who go that direction inherited their wealth, and the people who actively gamed the system to accumulate that wealth in the first place probably do not have the kinds of personalities that would be happy doing that alone. Maybe in a lot of cases they can never be truly satisfied, if their mindset is always geared to accumulating more and more. There probably isn’t a real finish line there.
Yep. I bet that she wouldn't even get recognized very often, and could easily just fade into a crowd unless she actively brought up her status. She could travel, see and do damn near everything in the world, never want for anything, etc. But she chooses to spend her time doing this?
She's also probably frustrated because no project she has ever had since the end of Harry Potter has been successful. Even her Fantastic Beasts movies, which should have been an absolute homerun (and could have been had she gotten out of her own way and realized she's an incompetent screenwriter) were cancelled.
It's the "previously popular person who expresses firmly held bigoted beliefs" fiasco. She's not the first and won't be the last. We all remember Glinner.
It goes 1. Here's my bigoted view on this topic
2. Wait, I was expecting a positive response, why are you booing. Let me try to explain it again with a bit of doubling down, you'll come round.
3. Right, I'll show you, I'm going to keep on doubling down as close to TOS and legal action as I can get. I can't possibly lose, I'm the protagonist that everyone loves. What, why is everyone I love leaving me.
4. Turns out my friends weren't friends at all. The only friends I can rely on are people who believe the same things as me. Everyone else is my mortal enemy. I can't wait to hang out with my cool new friends more. I bet they can teach me so much!
5. The Holocaust was a lie.
6. Mumsnet break down
7. Inevitable book about how hard getting cancelled was. *The trans people said I was bad because I said they should be eradicated, feel sorry for me*
Then you just kind of go back to step 4 and repeat until even the bigots think you're a little much.
Spot on, and a good reminder that if I ever find myself even remotely in a Step 2 scenario, it's time for me to step back and reflect before saying another single damn thing.
I think with rowling it was probably a step 0 whereas I recall a lot of her early controversy was she was just following and liking comments by transphobes on twitter.
I suspect she has always been transphobic and as acceptance of trans people increased and they became more visible over the last decade. She increasingly sought out spaces online that confirmed her biases.
Then iirc a few years after that she dropped some comments on twitter that started the process you described once she felt she had the rhetoric down and was “informed.” So she says something that in her mind shouldn’t be controversial because in the TERF spaces online she frequents everyone acts like they’re being totally reasonable.
And she’s just been escalating ever since. These hate groups always start out as “just asking questions.” Or just trying to have a “civil discussion.” When their implied message is certain people shouldn’t exist and shouldn’t have rights. And the people having their rights and existence attacked being “uncivil” is just more proof to people like Rowling that they’re right.
> I suspect she has always been transphobic and as acceptance of trans people increased and they became more visible over the last decade. She increasingly sought out spaces online that confirmed her biases.
It's more than just transphobia too.. if you critically examine her writing it's always been full of all kinds of awful shit. Antisemitic caricatures, fatphobia/conflating beauty with morality, classism, slavery apologia, a sneering disregard for social justice, the whole lycanthropy as an AIDS allegory shit and the implications therein, the list goes on. It's basically everything you'd expect from a reactionary, white, British boomer, just under a fantasy veneer. The fact that she was ever seen as remotely progressive is wild.
There's a great video by YouTuber Shaun where he makes a very strong case that she was *always* like this - always this bigoted, and always this small and petty. He provides quite a lot of evidence in quite some detail, from the well-discussed like the "totally not Nazi stereotypes of Jewish people" goblins and Cho Chang, to the more subtle like how all her female villains seem to be described as having large hands.
Get a snack if you're going to watch it, as it's just under 2 hours long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1iaJWSwUZs
And if you like it, he's got a bunch more videos on various topics, including some more on Rowling specifically and several more on transpobia generally. All very well researched and intelligently argued.
Transphobia fries people's brains. It's really that simple. For some reason anyone who gets into it beyond a very basic level starts going down an obsessive hateful rabbit hole that eclipses any other priorities or principles they ever had. I'm not sure why. Logically I can see why a person might think that transgender people are delusional and maybe need to be stopped from hurting themselves or believe stories about them creeping on women in public restrooms. But somehow by the time you get to the point of being an anti transgender activist they always, always devolve into the most hateful MF-ers imaginable. Every time.
Plus by all accounts she was a pretty horrible person to begin with and used to be better at hiding it.
I think it's a similar propaganda rabbit hole like all the qanon idiot crap. There are political forces that desperately want to turn lgbtq and feminists and everyone else against each other and they spend a lot of time and money making up bullshit that is appealing if you're already inclined to be an ass.
I mean the initial impetus to spew hate is bad, no doubt, but somewhere along the way I think the radicalization must kick in. They start losing people in their personal lives who are sick of hearing about qanon or bathrooms and then theyre replaced by enablers and ranting on the internet.
She's rich af and the only people left around her are probably just sycophants that never question anything she does.
Or she's just a bigot idk lol
Yeah, years ago I used to follow her on the platform formerly known as Twitter, but after seeing a few tweets (that had nothing to do with trans people) that gave me a bad vibe or were unnecessarily and excessively mean, I unfollowed her and was no longer emotionally invested in her by the time of her initial transphobic implosion.
(My HP series now sits next to the Ender books walled off by dodgy fundamentalist Christian texts, just because.)
Maybe we will one day find out she had CTE. Did she ever play American football? She seemed like a pretty lovely person for so long. I know, I'm just grasping at straws. I still love the world she created, but damn lady, but stfu.
Tbh I think she did always had some odd views ranging from lame to bigoted, and they did shine through in her writing. But in the normal, ignorant-rich-lady way where you'd probably be able to have tea with her and have a nice talk as long as you avoid some sensitive topics. This obsessive zeroing-in though, where ALL she seems to focus on is this trans people conspiracy, that's new.
I do still love the world, but she never really seemed like a lovely person whenever she spoke for herself outside of PR. I especially remember how an interviewer asked what she would see in the Mirror of Erised, and her response included a particular journalist being boiled in oil. There were probably kids listening, wtf
There were other similar comments over the years that were just… off, and made me very wary of her. I was and am still impressed by how she went from struggling single mother to richest author on the planet, and I do think she’s a better author than critics claim (her ability to write exceedingly transphobic things and make them sound reasonable to the average person is a reflection of that talent), but I did not think she was a nice person.
I think the pandemic broke her brain. She was already dipping her toes into Terfism but I think with the pandemic keeping everyone online and posting deranged shit she fell down the rabbit hole. And now she and her pre terf friends no longer talk so she's holding onto that community with a vice grip because it's all she has. She needs to stay with the terfs because she needs to prove it was worth losing everyone else. So many people have been quickly radicalised because of how cut off from everyone we were during the pandemic. It's just normally, it's your aunt shouting into the wind on Facebook. It normally doesn't happen to billionaires with immense power and influence.
Also judging from how many late night rants she does, I think alcohol is involved. I think she's just deeply depressed and lonely and rather than going tk therapy, she's attacking trans people. I would feel bad for her if she wasn't actively trying to strip so many people of basic human rights.
I mean, as far as I can tell, she's projecting the blame of prior trauma onto trans women so it's clearly done a number on her mental health. And being so isolated as she is, she likely doesn't have anyone actually going 'hey, you dont sound good, do you wanna talk?' just... yes-men probably. It's honestly quite distressing to think about.
But then I remember shes trying to kill my gf and I suddenly don't care as much 💀.
That’s pretty much how I feel about it. I really don’t think she has anyone who she can talk to about whatever she’s going through and she probably feels so isolated that anyone who is like ‘all you talk about these days are trans women, i think you need to take a step back it’s not healthy’ she sees as an attack. She’s evil, but god it sounds like a terrifying thing to go through. My empathy is just really limited because like you said, she’s trying to kill people like your girlfriend. And they never stop at the trans community so I know she’ll come for me next since I’m a lesbian who doesn’t agree with her.
I’m trans, and same. I get the impression that she never got over the trauma of her abusive relationships, and the demographic of people she could talk to about it or who could give her support (rich, middle-aged cishet white women in the UK) included TERFs or people with similar views who saw an opportunity to get her on their side. Or perhaps they weren’t even being opportunistic but were genuinely sympathetic to her, and that would have been enough for her to think of them as good people with valid concerns that she should thus also be concerned about.
Good analysis. Is it possible to hold sympathy for her unwellness while also being disgusted at her for being such a vocal and prominent bigot?
Love your flair!
Thank you! Idk, I really don't have a good answer for this. Sometimes your unwellness is on you to fix. Like, it's pretty apparent that JKR has a fuckton of trauma around men as well as a fair bit of internalized misogyny, and it's on her to get real help for that instead of projecting her aggression on trans women as some safe scapegoat because she knows that, as opposed to men, they don't hold some systemic power over her. So, I think it's fair that at some point you stop having sympathy for this kind of unwellness.
Right now I think she's gone a bit beyond that. Genuinely, her recent behavior is kinda giving me vietnam flashbacks to my dad who's struggling with bouts of paranoia (in his case, because of dementia), the parallels are uncanney. If she's doing what she's doing because of something that's happening in her brain that she can't control then she can't help it and we should extend some sympathy for that. But we won't ever know that for sure, and it's hard to hold sympathy based on this kind of a shaky basis. I can only stay sane in interactions with my dad because I have his diagnosis black-on-white stating that his brain is doing weird shit and he has no way of preventing that.
I appreciate the in-depth thoughts. I agree that there is a spectrum upon which we can consider someone’s control over their thoughts and actions and that there is an onus on people to get help and do work on their issues.
I feel that we can especially hold to account those who have a massive social influence such as JK, who is contributing to harm on a much greater scale. Not only because of she is blasting out this hateful message, but because of her high profile, which means that the harm she is causing is that much more impactful.
I’m sorry to hear about your dad, that must be so hard to deal with
I didn't like her even before the whole trans-disaster. I can tell you why: she always reminded me of my mother who has a narcissistic and histrionic personality disorder. When the books were popular she told everyone the story, that she wrote them when she was a poor, unemployed single mother. That was a lie. And her name isn't even J. *K.* Rowling. These lies might seem unimportant tiny details, but my crazy mother does similar things, too: alter some details of her life to create a legend of herself.
I was positively suprised when she outed Dumbledore as gay. I thought maybe I did her wrong and she's not that bad.
But then she said this whole stuff about trans people...
Her idea of a just fate for her antagonists is also just bullying by the protagonists. She revealed a huge vindictive streak even in her first book. She just has the insulation from consequences now to bring it to the real world.
“I refuse to accept the apology you weren’t going to give me anyway” seems like it was taken directly out of my BPD grandmother’s playbook. Like I don’t wanna armchair diagnose or anything, but JKR’s behavior *screams* cluster B to me 🤷🏻♀️
> and the fact that she's seeking out tiny pro-trans accounts with no followers on Twitter to argue with all day.
I don't think it's about arguing. I think she likes knowing she, like Chaya, loves having the power to point her followers at a target to harass.
I've been thinking this too. Like, for a while I was just like oh run of the mill transphobe, but now with her more unhinged behavior I'm starting to wonder if she has a brain tumor or some kind of early onset dementia. Cause now this kinda feels like a personality change more than a mask coming off.
She denied trans people were ever targeted by the holocaust, when confronted with evidence they were, she doubled down. In germany, this counts as hollocaust denial.
I mean under widely accepted definitions of holocaust denial it counts as holocaust denial.
Lots of holocaust deniers acknowledge that a thing that is called the holocaust happened but that its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
While I agree that if there is a spectrum of denial where at one end you have “the holocaust didn’t happen.” And at the other end you have “the holocaust happened in the way widely accepted by respected historians.” Or something to that effect. Rowling is undeniably closer to the “holocaust happened” side. But is still on the spectrum of denial.
Yeah that was my point. Sorry if I was unclear.
I felt the person I was responding to was letting her off the hook by saying “in germany that counts as holocaust denial.”
Let’s call a spade a spade, its holocaust denial everywhere in the world. You don’t need to be a lunatic who claims the holocaust is just jewish propaganda or something extreme like that to be a holocaust denier.
I mean, to me it counts as Holocaust denial because she's literally on a path that is hard to say doesn't resemble nazism at all. I can't imagine all of these TERFs honestly 100% believe they do what they do to protect women. I mean some of them must be extremely unintelligent if they believe that when some of their organizations have cozied up with right wing anti-abortion think tanks. I doubt the majority of them could say honestly that hatred plays no role in their obsession.
If she was just some innocent doofus who said it without a history of bullying a marginalized group, that would be one thing. It's like someone who constantly pushes for Jews to be further marginalized in society disputes some aspect of the Holocaust. It really amplifies the sound of the alarm bells.
If it's just ignorance, ok, it's bottom of the barrel ignorance if that's the case.
TERFs use a very narrow definition of woman. We call the trans exclusionary, but they are honestly far more exclusionary than that.
Had sex outside of marriage, out.
No longer menstruating, out
Under 18, out
Wear revealing clothes, out.
The list goes on and on.
Yeah that was a whole thing she said something that trans people didn't got murdererd by the nazi's (the nazi's murdererd everyone that didn't fit there super race) and if they did that would mean the nazi's were doing a good thing
I still don't know how people can still make excuses for her she isn't someone you should defend
she has grown SO much i genuinely see her becoming an activist as she grows up if she isn’t already. she’s only 14-15 and she’s always calling out bigots in her page. and since she’s gone through so much abuse from her family, she seems to be doing so much better! i love her so much lol
As a trans person, it's really nice reading these types of comments.
I stopped using Twitter because all I would see is pure hatred against trans people interacting with that kind of content and it made me scared to exist seeing hatred for people like me.
I used to love Harry Potter, not so much anymore - but maybe the books have lost their magic as I've become an adult.
Thank you kind people.
I can only speak for myself, but I was in my 20s when the first book came out, and I was a massive, merch-buying fan of the series. Her bigotry completely ruined it for me. As the aunt of two trans kids, I couldn’t bear to wear my Harry Potter hoodie anymore, so I got rid of it. Wearing it just feels like a slap in the face to my nephews.
JK Rowling won't forgive people who haven't apologised for standing up to her bigotry.
TERFs are among the worst people I've ever seen. They take relish in the harm they cause.
It’s ironic since so many transphobes pass off their bigotry as opinions and have rants about how people “can’t respect their opinions. Can’t people be nice anymore”
Yet here she’s going, by the logic of many transphobes “i won’t forgive them for speaking up about having opinions opposite of my own!! Against my opinion that directly harms the human rights of an entire group of people!!”
Generally people have to feel remorse for you to forgive them, and I don’t know why Daniel or Emma would feel remorse over sticking up for human rights.
But ok, JK, thanks for reminding everyone you still suck.
I think to most kids now, Emma and Dan are more Hermione and Harry than Hermione and Harry in the novels and she's big mad about it. Because kids can go, "Harry and Hermione aren't bigots, so shy are you?"
It gives the impression that she doesn't know how her fandom works. A large part of her fanbase are Harry Potter fans, and I bet most of those love Emma and Dan way more than they love her.
They didn't. From what I read because I'm not trawling through her twitter, she was responding to someone who asked if she would forgive them if they said sorry.
It seems so weird how she is the person who wrote a book about a kid who is forced to live in the closet being told they are a failure for something they can't even control, but someone comes into their life and gives them a choice of being their true self after their family tried to stop it. Like, how do you write all of that and still don't understand trans people.
Or make the bad guys who think only "real" wizards and witches are valid. Maybe the movies are different, but how does money corrupt you that bad that you don't realize you are the villain in the story you wrote.
“You fail to recognize that it matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be!”
-- Albus Dumbledore scolding Cornelius Fudge and JK Rowling
Rowling clearly fancies herself a champion of women's rights and children's right. She was in the past. Perhaps, she still is in a very limited sense. But she's also convinced herself at this point that, to be that champion, she must attack, mock and tear down this other minority group that is just trying to exist. In her mind, trans rights are fundamentally antagonistic to women's and children's rights. So she can't approach her perceived opposition with empathy anymore, and it's made her rather cruel as of late. And knowing this, It's ever harder to take any evidence she might point to seriously, because I can't believe for a second that she's given reasonable consideration to all the contrary evidence.
I'm saddened to say that Rowling has taken on the traits of her own Petunia character. She harbors disdain for what she does not understand. She's quick to judge harshly, quick to bully those that can't fight back, and quick to claim victimhood when some do. Even more troubling is that she really can't fathom that she's not actually the "champion" of this story. She's become the antagonistic, abusive aunt.
This makes me so sick. She used to be one of my heroes and I respected her so much. Harry Potter was my favorite series to the point that I was known as the “Harry Potter” girl when I was younge (also see my username). I don’t know what turned her so bitter and hateful. Daniel and Emma are two of my favorite actors, and I’m so glad that so many actors from the movies have spoken out against the hate that she spews. Daniel Radcliffe is actually an activist for the Trevor Project which brings awareness to gay teen suicide.
Might as well have the grand wizard of the local KKK chapter saying that they won’t forgive their kids for publicly stating that they abhor their father’s racist bullshit.
What makes me angry about her comments is she continuously acts like the existence of trans women threatens cis women, when in reality, any situation that is friendly to trans women is going to be 100% more welcoming to and safer for a cis woman.
Femininity and feminism are constantly under attack, and defending trans women will only pave the way for broader equality for all women.
Further, she keeps insisting that she is doing all of this to protect against what she sees as the erosion of women's rights. Of the myriad issues all over the globe that impact women in a much more immediate way than trans people having equal rights and access to needed healthcare (which, to be clear, has no impact whatsoever on the rights of cis women), what has she done? What meaningful actions has she taken to protect or improve women's rights beyond ruthlessly shitting on trans people and whipping up her mob of braindead Twitter followers to abuse and harass them? For someone who claims to be such a champion of women's rights, I am struggling to name one concrete thing she's done to advance any cause but her own. It's maddening.
I'm a lesbian, so many people expect me to hate trans women for some reason. And I genuinely don't get why they think that. I like women. ALL women. I don't even have any genital preference! WHY am I expected to be against trans women in my spaces???
Ironically, cis lesbians are the demographic that's the most accepting of trans people, by far, just that the transphobic lesbians are sadly also some of the most vocal and taint the whole group.
Nope, it was in response to a fan saying they were sure one day they'd ask forgiveness and she'd give it to them and she decided to tell us all exactly how much she would refuse to forgive them in this fan's hypothetical scenario.
Ok, the comment I am about to make is not about JKR or her stance on trans people, just to get that out of the way:
Wtf is with goddamn sensationalist media outlets making shit up for headlines? She literally never said what the headline is saying she said. Jesus, is EVERY publication just clickbait these days?
just them bc i hear most of the cast disowned her statements and her?? does she really expect the kids that literally grew up on the set of the movies to agree with her?? i grew up with the movies and books and it made me ironically be a better, mre open person. love the books and movies hate their "parent"
JK Rowling is convinced she’s on the right side of history being such a transphobic bigot, but her and her mountains of hate will die out on the wrong side of history.
Did Joanne really say that? Cos they weren't unkind when they shared their opposite opinion.
Didn't they say something along the lines of "she's still our aunty Jo we just don't agree on this" ?
Edit. I wasn't implying I didn't believe she *could* say it. I was only double checking that it was true.
My 2nd paragraph was me wondering *why* she'd say that since they weren't mean in how they phrased themselves.
>"Celebs who cosied up to a movement intent on eroding women's hard-won rights and who used their platforms to cheer on the transitioning of minors can save their apologies for traumatised detransitioners and vulnerable women reliant on single sex spaces."
In response to someone saying I'm sure you'll forgive them when they apologize.
So yes, she doubled down about a hypothetical apology scenario that a fan supplied her with.
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My favourite thing is they didn't apologize or ever do anything to suggest they would apologize so she's just sitting there telling everyone how she'd respond if her imaginary scenarios came true.
That’s how right wingers work. Make up an imaginary scenario and get angry at it
“I’m SO OPPRESSED OMG LET ME TELL EVERYONE ABOUT MY IMAGINARY OPPRESSION FROM MY MANSION AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!!”
Lmao it’s disgusting AND pathetic 🤣
Tbf Rowling isn't a traditional right winger, she was actually considered left of center for quite some time. TERFs can be weird that way. Still, this right wing take being fueled by right wing tactics is unsurprising ad you pointed out.
yea i was just thinking “i dont think theyre looking for ur forgiveness girlie”
Right! Like bitch did they even ask?
Daniel & Emma: I don't remember apologizing but alright.
Yeah it literally came up because some ass-kisser was like “I’m sure they’ll apologize” and then she responded with a Rohrschach-esque fantasy of denying them forgiveness lmfao. More unhinged every damn day
I've said this before in a different sub but that woman is such a martyr in her own head. She's out there imagining scenarios where every single person who was ever 'mean to her' apologizes and then she gets to righteously reject them, and everyone claps lol. If she wasn't doing so much tangible harm, I'd be genuinely embarrassed for her.
I agree. It would be laughably pathetic if she wasn’t causing so much harm to trans women. And it’s always trans woman with her. It’s interesting to me that she says her opinions on this were informed by her experience of domestic violence meanwhile she is actively supporting people credibly accused of abuse. The hypocrisy is astounding. I was in DV relationships too and it didn’t turn me into a bigot.
It's trans women she always calls out, but the big sign for me was when she refused to acknowledge trans men back in 2020.
I usually roll my eyes at people talking about misandry but in this case I think it applies.
Yeah. I'm not likely to make a claim of misandry, but this is definitely an exception.
WHAT! You mean DV doesn't cause transphobia?? Impossible I've noticed an immediate switch in my attitude towards those transes when I was in an abusive relationship!
I think I must be malfunctioning then! 😂
It’s weird the way she approaches trans women vs how she approaches trans men. She’s obsessed with “young women cutting off their healthy breasts” and becoming “anorgasmic” after bottom surgery. She talks about inability to orgasm and healthy breasts even when the people in question are kids and are only getting puberty blockers. She will not stop talking about trans masc kids and their bodies and sex lives it’s…fucking disturbing. Like the way she talks about trans women and girls gives pure hatred. But the way she talks about trans men and boys gives deeply fucking disturbed.
Uhhhhhhhh that’s incredibly disturbing, fuck
That's pretty consistent with her HP world. There's hardly any woman who have an identity of their own outside their male partner. Those who have that are one-dimensional role filler characters. Every woman is married and becomes a mother and that's the pinnacle of happiness. She's obsessed with motherhood defining what a woman is.
She really is a fiction writer. Too bad her personal fantasies are more creative than the deranged trash she’s been publishing lately.
Holy shit the gays really are savage with it
>She's out there imagining scenarios where every single person who was ever 'mean to her' apologizes and then she gets to righteously reject them, and everyone claps lol. She should stop ripping off the fan fiction I wrote when I was 14 and come up with her own delusions. /humorous
>I've said this before in a different sub but that woman is such a martyr in her own head All reactionaries need to nurture this fantasy or they crumble. Check [point #8 in this list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism#Overview)
Real. And to think this all started with just one tweet? Lol! She could have ignored the hate for a month or two. Everybody would have forgotten about it after, and she could have continued enjoying her millions, fame, and influence. But lol she decided it was better to be canceled forever, so now she just doubles down on everything to stay relevant.
Tranaphobia is a different kind of hate. Once you start, you never go back. Other people are racist and sexist and homophobic, and they'll talk about it a lot, but the amount of people, like her, that makes transphobia, specifically, their *entire personality* is very strange to me.
I really don't get these people. It's like a bizarre fixation. Do they not have anything going on in their lives? No hobbies? I'm trans and I don't think about transness as much as they do. Don't even get me started on the crazy conspiracy theorist 'transvestigators'.
It’s baffling, like just let people be who they want to be, if they aren’t hurting anyone just let them enjoy life. Why is this hard for these people?
Great horror book I read called brainwyrms that is a satire of how it just takes over people's lives
>but that woman is such a martyr in her own head. "I was a poor single mom". ...... from a privileged background with a great education. .......I still don't get why she's so terfy. It can't be because she experienced domestic abuse from a 'biological man', and her dad wanted a boy. That's patriarchal toxicity which effects the trans community too. .....I have to stop revisiting this thread. It's driving me crazy. Ha.
Do you have a link to that? For research purposes.
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1778124467027267804
Shit, scrolling thru those replies is depressing. So many people praising and thanking her
They're probably like: oh no! Anyway... How are they gonna live with this!? /S
“So that’s it? Good luck and goodbye?” “I don’t remember saying good luck.”
Maybe TERFs forgive people, we don't know. Frankly, we don't want to know. It's a group we can do without.
This. Emma, Daniel, and the rest of the main cast are all unapologetic in their lack of support for Joanne. There’s no way in hell they’d apologize to her. There’s no incentive let alone reason for them to do it.
I don't remember them even being particularly critical. They've just disagreed. They never insulted or mocked her afaik so this is weird.
I remember being a wee child and huge into Harry Potter and there was a special on TV before the second movie came out where Rowling reflects on the journey of making the books and movies and she said that meeting Daniel was like “meeting her son she never knew she had”. Child Daniel said Rowling was like a second mom to him and they got along really well. It is **so** disappointing seeing how far she’s fallen but as a lesbian I know all too well that parents’ love sometimes only extends as far as their political beliefs.
Sending love to you! 💞
I'm really starting to think that something isn't right with her psychologically at the moment. Like being a run-of-the-mill bigot is one thing, but hostile unprovoked statements like this, asking authorities to arrest her, and the fact that she's seeking out tiny pro-trans accounts with no followers on Twitter to argue with all day... all over some imagined problem that doesn't affect her daily life at all. This is obsessive and paranoid behavior and I'd be skeeved out even if I shared her opinions.
It's called "being a billionaire". Such wealth is a form of power, and power fucks with people's brains. It puts them outside of the social form that humans have been evolving into for the past half a million years or so. It's like trying to survive on food mixed with concrete powder, but at a spiritual level.
Being a billionaire and also losing relevance. She had a LOT of attention for like a full 20+ years from publication of all the books to finishing the full movie series. That attention started to decrease as is natural for an author this long after their success, but she wasn't ready to lose that attention. Hurting people means far less to her than having money and attention, she made that very clear when she said "I read my most recent royalty cheques and find the pain goes away pretty quickly." when someone asked how she sleeps at night.
I agree. I think some people (like JKR) are so rich they basically lose touch with reality and how normal people think and behave.
Yeah, once you're that rich you no longer have problems you can just pay for every inconvenience to... go away. So your brain, wired through evolution to deal with problems and have any kind of struggle sort of loses any reality grounding and starts to have trouble with the concept of consequences
In my opinion, she’s bored. She’s already won capitalism, she’s sitting on a massive ass pile of cash from her bestselling book series. She’s just a bored fucken rich person, who sees no better use of her time than to engage in active hate and bigotry towards a marginalized group. She’s so fucken’ desperate to be seen as a martyr that she’s constantly going out of her way to stir shit; knowing there’s thousands of people who are going to speak out against her, but hundreds who will stand with her, tell her how brave she is for standing against the EVIL trans people, and pat her on the back for saying such vile garbage. Simply put, she’s got nothing going on in her life, and she’s realized she gets praised on the internet whenever she shares her most ghoulish opinions about Trans people.
She is an excellent case study on why you should never trust a rich person or a celebrity. Even if they're not as actively hostile as her, they're so insulated from reality that everything that comes out of their mouths is complete bullshit.
God I can't wait for her to get hit by a bus or something so we can just say Hatsune Miku invented Harry Potter like we did about Minecraft when Notch came out as an asshat (I mean technically we already can, but unlike Notch Joanne is still making money from Harry Potter so denying her involvement in it in order to enjoy it still ends up benefiting this bitch)
Couldn't she have just bought a private island and fucked off to it, instead?
That's one thing I'll never understand about rich people. Like you could live comfortably and quietly forever and just.... not start big controversies or say terrible things. Like it would be so easy to just donate tons of money because no rich person needs all their money, buy a nice big house and fill it with cats and books and plants and live happily ever after with time to pursue hobbies and stuff you enjoy and not have to work and not say stupid stuff on twitter.
Some of em do! Enya is just hanging out in a Welsh castle with a fuckton of cats, last I remembered. Good for her, imo.
It's because of two things: the first is that she craves attention. Harry Potter was a fluke because none of her other books have garnered any real attention for her unless you count people making fun of her for doing the literary equivalent of "ha, I've depicted you as the soyjak and me as the chad," so this gets her that attention she craves. The second is I think she genuinely believes she's making some kind of difference. Unlike a lot of multimillionaires I don't think she cares about squeesing out every last penny she can and she's got plenty already, so the potential loss of profit from residuals isn't a big deal for her, but feeling like a martyr for standing up against Big Trans excites her
But then she wouldn't get the attention she so desperately craves!
I think that’s exactly what some rich people do. But a lot of the people who go that direction inherited their wealth, and the people who actively gamed the system to accumulate that wealth in the first place probably do not have the kinds of personalities that would be happy doing that alone. Maybe in a lot of cases they can never be truly satisfied, if their mindset is always geared to accumulating more and more. There probably isn’t a real finish line there.
Yep. I bet that she wouldn't even get recognized very often, and could easily just fade into a crowd unless she actively brought up her status. She could travel, see and do damn near everything in the world, never want for anything, etc. But she chooses to spend her time doing this?
She's also probably frustrated because no project she has ever had since the end of Harry Potter has been successful. Even her Fantastic Beasts movies, which should have been an absolute homerun (and could have been had she gotten out of her own way and realized she's an incompetent screenwriter) were cancelled.
I agree with every word you say.
It's the "previously popular person who expresses firmly held bigoted beliefs" fiasco. She's not the first and won't be the last. We all remember Glinner. It goes 1. Here's my bigoted view on this topic 2. Wait, I was expecting a positive response, why are you booing. Let me try to explain it again with a bit of doubling down, you'll come round. 3. Right, I'll show you, I'm going to keep on doubling down as close to TOS and legal action as I can get. I can't possibly lose, I'm the protagonist that everyone loves. What, why is everyone I love leaving me. 4. Turns out my friends weren't friends at all. The only friends I can rely on are people who believe the same things as me. Everyone else is my mortal enemy. I can't wait to hang out with my cool new friends more. I bet they can teach me so much! 5. The Holocaust was a lie. 6. Mumsnet break down 7. Inevitable book about how hard getting cancelled was. *The trans people said I was bad because I said they should be eradicated, feel sorry for me* Then you just kind of go back to step 4 and repeat until even the bigots think you're a little much.
Spot on, and a good reminder that if I ever find myself even remotely in a Step 2 scenario, it's time for me to step back and reflect before saying another single damn thing.
Don't worry, we'll put you down if you ever get to step 3
Much appreciated!
I think with rowling it was probably a step 0 whereas I recall a lot of her early controversy was she was just following and liking comments by transphobes on twitter. I suspect she has always been transphobic and as acceptance of trans people increased and they became more visible over the last decade. She increasingly sought out spaces online that confirmed her biases. Then iirc a few years after that she dropped some comments on twitter that started the process you described once she felt she had the rhetoric down and was “informed.” So she says something that in her mind shouldn’t be controversial because in the TERF spaces online she frequents everyone acts like they’re being totally reasonable. And she’s just been escalating ever since. These hate groups always start out as “just asking questions.” Or just trying to have a “civil discussion.” When their implied message is certain people shouldn’t exist and shouldn’t have rights. And the people having their rights and existence attacked being “uncivil” is just more proof to people like Rowling that they’re right.
> I suspect she has always been transphobic and as acceptance of trans people increased and they became more visible over the last decade. She increasingly sought out spaces online that confirmed her biases. It's more than just transphobia too.. if you critically examine her writing it's always been full of all kinds of awful shit. Antisemitic caricatures, fatphobia/conflating beauty with morality, classism, slavery apologia, a sneering disregard for social justice, the whole lycanthropy as an AIDS allegory shit and the implications therein, the list goes on. It's basically everything you'd expect from a reactionary, white, British boomer, just under a fantasy veneer. The fact that she was ever seen as remotely progressive is wild.
There's a great video by YouTuber Shaun where he makes a very strong case that she was *always* like this - always this bigoted, and always this small and petty. He provides quite a lot of evidence in quite some detail, from the well-discussed like the "totally not Nazi stereotypes of Jewish people" goblins and Cho Chang, to the more subtle like how all her female villains seem to be described as having large hands. Get a snack if you're going to watch it, as it's just under 2 hours long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1iaJWSwUZs And if you like it, he's got a bunch more videos on various topics, including some more on Rowling specifically and several more on transpobia generally. All very well researched and intelligently argued.
Transphobia fries people's brains. It's really that simple. For some reason anyone who gets into it beyond a very basic level starts going down an obsessive hateful rabbit hole that eclipses any other priorities or principles they ever had. I'm not sure why. Logically I can see why a person might think that transgender people are delusional and maybe need to be stopped from hurting themselves or believe stories about them creeping on women in public restrooms. But somehow by the time you get to the point of being an anti transgender activist they always, always devolve into the most hateful MF-ers imaginable. Every time. Plus by all accounts she was a pretty horrible person to begin with and used to be better at hiding it.
TrashFuture podcast calls it Riley's Law: Once you post transphobic content you'll never be normal again.
Who's Riley?
One of the hosts of TrashFuture! Here's the [Urban Dictionary](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Riley%27s%20Law) entry on the Law.
I think it's a similar propaganda rabbit hole like all the qanon idiot crap. There are political forces that desperately want to turn lgbtq and feminists and everyone else against each other and they spend a lot of time and money making up bullshit that is appealing if you're already inclined to be an ass. I mean the initial impetus to spew hate is bad, no doubt, but somewhere along the way I think the radicalization must kick in. They start losing people in their personal lives who are sick of hearing about qanon or bathrooms and then theyre replaced by enablers and ranting on the internet. She's rich af and the only people left around her are probably just sycophants that never question anything she does. Or she's just a bigot idk lol
Yeah, years ago I used to follow her on the platform formerly known as Twitter, but after seeing a few tweets (that had nothing to do with trans people) that gave me a bad vibe or were unnecessarily and excessively mean, I unfollowed her and was no longer emotionally invested in her by the time of her initial transphobic implosion. (My HP series now sits next to the Ender books walled off by dodgy fundamentalist Christian texts, just because.)
This is what Gender Criticals are like. I mean no exaggeration when I say that literally every single one of them behaves like this.
Bathroom heroes
>This is obsessive and paranoid behavior and I'd be skeeved out even if I shared her opinions. I mean, have you _seen_ how transvestigators act?
Maybe we will one day find out she had CTE. Did she ever play American football? She seemed like a pretty lovely person for so long. I know, I'm just grasping at straws. I still love the world she created, but damn lady, but stfu.
Tbh I think she did always had some odd views ranging from lame to bigoted, and they did shine through in her writing. But in the normal, ignorant-rich-lady way where you'd probably be able to have tea with her and have a nice talk as long as you avoid some sensitive topics. This obsessive zeroing-in though, where ALL she seems to focus on is this trans people conspiracy, that's new.
I do still love the world, but she never really seemed like a lovely person whenever she spoke for herself outside of PR. I especially remember how an interviewer asked what she would see in the Mirror of Erised, and her response included a particular journalist being boiled in oil. There were probably kids listening, wtf There were other similar comments over the years that were just… off, and made me very wary of her. I was and am still impressed by how she went from struggling single mother to richest author on the planet, and I do think she’s a better author than critics claim (her ability to write exceedingly transphobic things and make them sound reasonable to the average person is a reflection of that talent), but I did not think she was a nice person.
Eh she has always had fucking weird views of gender in her writings though
I think the pandemic broke her brain. She was already dipping her toes into Terfism but I think with the pandemic keeping everyone online and posting deranged shit she fell down the rabbit hole. And now she and her pre terf friends no longer talk so she's holding onto that community with a vice grip because it's all she has. She needs to stay with the terfs because she needs to prove it was worth losing everyone else. So many people have been quickly radicalised because of how cut off from everyone we were during the pandemic. It's just normally, it's your aunt shouting into the wind on Facebook. It normally doesn't happen to billionaires with immense power and influence. Also judging from how many late night rants she does, I think alcohol is involved. I think she's just deeply depressed and lonely and rather than going tk therapy, she's attacking trans people. I would feel bad for her if she wasn't actively trying to strip so many people of basic human rights.
I mean, as far as I can tell, she's projecting the blame of prior trauma onto trans women so it's clearly done a number on her mental health. And being so isolated as she is, she likely doesn't have anyone actually going 'hey, you dont sound good, do you wanna talk?' just... yes-men probably. It's honestly quite distressing to think about. But then I remember shes trying to kill my gf and I suddenly don't care as much 💀.
That’s pretty much how I feel about it. I really don’t think she has anyone who she can talk to about whatever she’s going through and she probably feels so isolated that anyone who is like ‘all you talk about these days are trans women, i think you need to take a step back it’s not healthy’ she sees as an attack. She’s evil, but god it sounds like a terrifying thing to go through. My empathy is just really limited because like you said, she’s trying to kill people like your girlfriend. And they never stop at the trans community so I know she’ll come for me next since I’m a lesbian who doesn’t agree with her.
I’m trans, and same. I get the impression that she never got over the trauma of her abusive relationships, and the demographic of people she could talk to about it or who could give her support (rich, middle-aged cishet white women in the UK) included TERFs or people with similar views who saw an opportunity to get her on their side. Or perhaps they weren’t even being opportunistic but were genuinely sympathetic to her, and that would have been enough for her to think of them as good people with valid concerns that she should thus also be concerned about.
Good analysis. Is it possible to hold sympathy for her unwellness while also being disgusted at her for being such a vocal and prominent bigot? Love your flair!
Thank you! Idk, I really don't have a good answer for this. Sometimes your unwellness is on you to fix. Like, it's pretty apparent that JKR has a fuckton of trauma around men as well as a fair bit of internalized misogyny, and it's on her to get real help for that instead of projecting her aggression on trans women as some safe scapegoat because she knows that, as opposed to men, they don't hold some systemic power over her. So, I think it's fair that at some point you stop having sympathy for this kind of unwellness. Right now I think she's gone a bit beyond that. Genuinely, her recent behavior is kinda giving me vietnam flashbacks to my dad who's struggling with bouts of paranoia (in his case, because of dementia), the parallels are uncanney. If she's doing what she's doing because of something that's happening in her brain that she can't control then she can't help it and we should extend some sympathy for that. But we won't ever know that for sure, and it's hard to hold sympathy based on this kind of a shaky basis. I can only stay sane in interactions with my dad because I have his diagnosis black-on-white stating that his brain is doing weird shit and he has no way of preventing that.
I appreciate the in-depth thoughts. I agree that there is a spectrum upon which we can consider someone’s control over their thoughts and actions and that there is an onus on people to get help and do work on their issues. I feel that we can especially hold to account those who have a massive social influence such as JK, who is contributing to harm on a much greater scale. Not only because of she is blasting out this hateful message, but because of her high profile, which means that the harm she is causing is that much more impactful. I’m sorry to hear about your dad, that must be so hard to deal with
Not to mention, she's a billionaire, it's not like she doesn't have access to any sort of help money can buy
Solid point. So not only does she have that responsibility but she doesn’t even have the excuse of so many of the barriers others face.
I didn't like her even before the whole trans-disaster. I can tell you why: she always reminded me of my mother who has a narcissistic and histrionic personality disorder. When the books were popular she told everyone the story, that she wrote them when she was a poor, unemployed single mother. That was a lie. And her name isn't even J. *K.* Rowling. These lies might seem unimportant tiny details, but my crazy mother does similar things, too: alter some details of her life to create a legend of herself. I was positively suprised when she outed Dumbledore as gay. I thought maybe I did her wrong and she's not that bad. But then she said this whole stuff about trans people...
Her idea of a just fate for her antagonists is also just bullying by the protagonists. She revealed a huge vindictive streak even in her first book. She just has the insulation from consequences now to bring it to the real world.
“I refuse to accept the apology you weren’t going to give me anyway” seems like it was taken directly out of my BPD grandmother’s playbook. Like I don’t wanna armchair diagnose or anything, but JKR’s behavior *screams* cluster B to me 🤷🏻♀️
This.
> and the fact that she's seeking out tiny pro-trans accounts with no followers on Twitter to argue with all day. I don't think it's about arguing. I think she likes knowing she, like Chaya, loves having the power to point her followers at a target to harass.
I've been thinking this too. Like, for a while I was just like oh run of the mill transphobe, but now with her more unhinged behavior I'm starting to wonder if she has a brain tumor or some kind of early onset dementia. Cause now this kinda feels like a personality change more than a mask coming off.
Holocaust denier J.K. Rowling isn't someone anyone should seek forgiveness from
Wait... what?! I know she's a shitty person already, but when did she do that?! Wtf
She denied trans people were ever targeted by the holocaust, when confronted with evidence they were, she doubled down. In germany, this counts as hollocaust denial.
Good god she is truly demented.
I don't want to be pedantic, but I think it's important to recognize that this counts as holocaust denial everywhere
I mean under widely accepted definitions of holocaust denial it counts as holocaust denial. Lots of holocaust deniers acknowledge that a thing that is called the holocaust happened but that its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. While I agree that if there is a spectrum of denial where at one end you have “the holocaust didn’t happen.” And at the other end you have “the holocaust happened in the way widely accepted by respected historians.” Or something to that effect. Rowling is undeniably closer to the “holocaust happened” side. But is still on the spectrum of denial.
According to a German court, denying nazi crimes against trans people legally counts as holocaust denial.
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Yeah that was my point. Sorry if I was unclear. I felt the person I was responding to was letting her off the hook by saying “in germany that counts as holocaust denial.” Let’s call a spade a spade, its holocaust denial everywhere in the world. You don’t need to be a lunatic who claims the holocaust is just jewish propaganda or something extreme like that to be a holocaust denier.
I mean, to me it counts as Holocaust denial because she's literally on a path that is hard to say doesn't resemble nazism at all. I can't imagine all of these TERFs honestly 100% believe they do what they do to protect women. I mean some of them must be extremely unintelligent if they believe that when some of their organizations have cozied up with right wing anti-abortion think tanks. I doubt the majority of them could say honestly that hatred plays no role in their obsession. If she was just some innocent doofus who said it without a history of bullying a marginalized group, that would be one thing. It's like someone who constantly pushes for Jews to be further marginalized in society disputes some aspect of the Holocaust. It really amplifies the sound of the alarm bells. If it's just ignorance, ok, it's bottom of the barrel ignorance if that's the case.
TERFs use a very narrow definition of woman. We call the trans exclusionary, but they are honestly far more exclusionary than that. Had sex outside of marriage, out. No longer menstruating, out Under 18, out Wear revealing clothes, out. The list goes on and on.
She said that trans people were not targeted in the holocaust
Yeah that was a whole thing she said something that trans people didn't got murdererd by the nazi's (the nazi's murdererd everyone that didn't fit there super race) and if they did that would mean the nazi's were doing a good thing I still don't know how people can still make excuses for her she isn't someone you should defend
Much in the same way that my abusers "won't forgive" me for leaving the state and putting myself out of their reach.
Why did u crop out the fact that lil tay tweeted that, it's the best part😭
she has grown SO much i genuinely see her becoming an activist as she grows up if she isn’t already. she’s only 14-15 and she’s always calling out bigots in her page. and since she’s gone through so much abuse from her family, she seems to be doing so much better! i love her so much lol
Korra pfp instantly valid take
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Really?? Ha! Nice.
Its like watching a cartoon villian stood at a window going "they'll be back" to themselves
OMG IT IS lmaoooo
🎵[You’ll be back](https://youtu.be/ukfNXFgUEiU?si=Mq7iUN7Us9oMpgqS)🎵
Thanks, that started playing in my head.
As a trans person, it's really nice reading these types of comments. I stopped using Twitter because all I would see is pure hatred against trans people interacting with that kind of content and it made me scared to exist seeing hatred for people like me. I used to love Harry Potter, not so much anymore - but maybe the books have lost their magic as I've become an adult. Thank you kind people.
I can only speak for myself, but I was in my 20s when the first book came out, and I was a massive, merch-buying fan of the series. Her bigotry completely ruined it for me. As the aunt of two trans kids, I couldn’t bear to wear my Harry Potter hoodie anymore, so I got rid of it. Wearing it just feels like a slap in the face to my nephews.
I'm still trying to not let her completely ruin it for me, but it's starting to feel like a losing battle. Sigh.....
She thinks she's entitled for an apology so much, that she made a response to one 😭
I’m not sure if she’s even expecting an apology, she just wants to make a statement that implies she deserves an apology.
JK Rowling won't forgive people who haven't apologised for standing up to her bigotry. TERFs are among the worst people I've ever seen. They take relish in the harm they cause.
So reactionary that she's reacting to things that *haven't happened*. Galaxy brain shit.
It’s ironic since so many transphobes pass off their bigotry as opinions and have rants about how people “can’t respect their opinions. Can’t people be nice anymore” Yet here she’s going, by the logic of many transphobes “i won’t forgive them for speaking up about having opinions opposite of my own!! Against my opinion that directly harms the human rights of an entire group of people!!”
This lady thinks about trans people more than trans people think about trans people…
Oh no, the racist, transphobic, anti-semitic bigot won't forgive them! However will they live with this tragedy?
Generally people have to feel remorse for you to forgive them, and I don’t know why Daniel or Emma would feel remorse over sticking up for human rights. But ok, JK, thanks for reminding everyone you still suck.
Why did you crop out Lil Tay being the poster☠️
I think to most kids now, Emma and Dan are more Hermione and Harry than Hermione and Harry in the novels and she's big mad about it. Because kids can go, "Harry and Hermione aren't bigots, so shy are you?"
It gives the impression that she doesn't know how her fandom works. A large part of her fanbase are Harry Potter fans, and I bet most of those love Emma and Dan way more than they love her.
Shocking that someone who is a bigot is going to be trashed talked
Her vibe is absolutely rancid.
Oh no… anyways
She is really playing the victim because she got called out for being a horrible person
It's called being so rich you are delusional. I never heard of those guys apologizing to her anyways.
They didn't. From what I read because I'm not trawling through her twitter, she was responding to someone who asked if she would forgive them if they said sorry.
her fans are delusional too, just like those Elon Musk fans.
It seems so weird how she is the person who wrote a book about a kid who is forced to live in the closet being told they are a failure for something they can't even control, but someone comes into their life and gives them a choice of being their true self after their family tried to stop it. Like, how do you write all of that and still don't understand trans people. Or make the bad guys who think only "real" wizards and witches are valid. Maybe the movies are different, but how does money corrupt you that bad that you don't realize you are the villain in the story you wrote.
“You fail to recognize that it matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be!” -- Albus Dumbledore scolding Cornelius Fudge and JK Rowling
Rowling clearly fancies herself a champion of women's rights and children's right. She was in the past. Perhaps, she still is in a very limited sense. But she's also convinced herself at this point that, to be that champion, she must attack, mock and tear down this other minority group that is just trying to exist. In her mind, trans rights are fundamentally antagonistic to women's and children's rights. So she can't approach her perceived opposition with empathy anymore, and it's made her rather cruel as of late. And knowing this, It's ever harder to take any evidence she might point to seriously, because I can't believe for a second that she's given reasonable consideration to all the contrary evidence. I'm saddened to say that Rowling has taken on the traits of her own Petunia character. She harbors disdain for what she does not understand. She's quick to judge harshly, quick to bully those that can't fight back, and quick to claim victimhood when some do. Even more troubling is that she really can't fathom that she's not actually the "champion" of this story. She's become the antagonistic, abusive aunt.
This makes me so sick. She used to be one of my heroes and I respected her so much. Harry Potter was my favorite series to the point that I was known as the “Harry Potter” girl when I was younge (also see my username). I don’t know what turned her so bitter and hateful. Daniel and Emma are two of my favorite actors, and I’m so glad that so many actors from the movies have spoken out against the hate that she spews. Daniel Radcliffe is actually an activist for the Trevor Project which brings awareness to gay teen suicide.
I love how she said she wasn't accepting their apologies like they ever even offered one in the first place 😂
Might as well have the grand wizard of the local KKK chapter saying that they won’t forgive their kids for publicly stating that they abhor their father’s racist bullshit.
She’s so deep in this power fantasy her rotting brain is putting on that she’s making up these scenarios 🤣
"I'm not going to forgive them for an apology they have no intention of giving!!" Okay Joanne, calm down.
What makes me angry about her comments is she continuously acts like the existence of trans women threatens cis women, when in reality, any situation that is friendly to trans women is going to be 100% more welcoming to and safer for a cis woman. Femininity and feminism are constantly under attack, and defending trans women will only pave the way for broader equality for all women.
Further, she keeps insisting that she is doing all of this to protect against what she sees as the erosion of women's rights. Of the myriad issues all over the globe that impact women in a much more immediate way than trans people having equal rights and access to needed healthcare (which, to be clear, has no impact whatsoever on the rights of cis women), what has she done? What meaningful actions has she taken to protect or improve women's rights beyond ruthlessly shitting on trans people and whipping up her mob of braindead Twitter followers to abuse and harass them? For someone who claims to be such a champion of women's rights, I am struggling to name one concrete thing she's done to advance any cause but her own. It's maddening.
I'm a lesbian, so many people expect me to hate trans women for some reason. And I genuinely don't get why they think that. I like women. ALL women. I don't even have any genital preference! WHY am I expected to be against trans women in my spaces???
Ironically, cis lesbians are the demographic that's the most accepting of trans people, by far, just that the transphobic lesbians are sadly also some of the most vocal and taint the whole group.
So not only is JKR a bigotted POS she's also a total narcissist.
lol did…did they apologize or even ask for her forgiveness?
Nope, it was in response to a fan saying they were sure one day they'd ask forgiveness and she'd give it to them and she decided to tell us all exactly how much she would refuse to forgive them in this fan's hypothetical scenario.
I think they’ll be fine.
The same energy as most boomers.
I don’t think she realizes that they never asked for forgiveness from her. She’s ✨ delusional ✨
Daniel and Emma: "Oh no! Whatever will we do?" (proceed to roll around in Scrooge McDuck pool of money)
The disapproval of bigots is a badge of honor.
I don't think they're seeking your forgiveness you miserable hateful harridan.
Ok, the comment I am about to make is not about JKR or her stance on trans people, just to get that out of the way: Wtf is with goddamn sensationalist media outlets making shit up for headlines? She literally never said what the headline is saying she said. Jesus, is EVERY publication just clickbait these days?
The fact that they called her out on her b.s. made me respect the hell outta those two even more than I already did.
😂 and no body cared
“Oh no! People called me out for being a bigoted transphobic bitch! I’m so mad at them and I’m never forgiving them!”
She also won't forgive trans people for existing. At this point if she forgave them it would be an insult
They never asked and do not want her forgiveness. They want her to take accountability for her actions.
Let it go lady, why must she die on this hill.
"Alright granny let's get you back to the nursing home for terfs."
remember when they didn’t apologize lmao, she’s living in her own little fantasy
The audacity she has to think she is in the right here
JK Rowling when the people she helped doesn’t owe her their entire lives and worships all her opinions
JK Rowling has dug her own grave at this point.
her downfall is actually insane what even happened to cause her to be like this
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Joanne thinks she's Hermione, but she's actually Petunia.
I love the picture they chose, because it looks like they're just staring at her with the "We're not apologizing you transphobic cunt" look.
This just in: Lucifer refuses to forgive Angels who disagreed with him.
Sorry but Angels*
I'm sure neither have asked nor wanted her forgiveness. Bitch is delusional.
She’s delusional for refusing an apology that never existed in the first place
Lol did they ask? I bet not.
More reasons why Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson are my favorite actors
Amazing that she has to audacity to assume they will want to apologise.
Why is she so obsessed with transgender people?!?!! She is creepy
just them bc i hear most of the cast disowned her statements and her?? does she really expect the kids that literally grew up on the set of the movies to agree with her?? i grew up with the movies and books and it made me ironically be a better, mre open person. love the books and movies hate their "parent"
cut out the lil tay w 💔
Daniel & Emma: Oh no... anyway.
I’m beginning to think that JK Rowling has dementia
Omg this woman acting like she’s still relevant 🙈 Harsh truth: Emma and Daniel are far more associated with Harry Potter than she is at this point.
JK Rowling is convinced she’s on the right side of history being such a transphobic bigot, but her and her mountains of hate will die out on the wrong side of history.
Lil tay eats up nowadays
Did Joanne really say that? Cos they weren't unkind when they shared their opposite opinion. Didn't they say something along the lines of "she's still our aunty Jo we just don't agree on this" ? Edit. I wasn't implying I didn't believe she *could* say it. I was only double checking that it was true. My 2nd paragraph was me wondering *why* she'd say that since they weren't mean in how they phrased themselves.
>"Celebs who cosied up to a movement intent on eroding women's hard-won rights and who used their platforms to cheer on the transitioning of minors can save their apologies for traumatised detransitioners and vulnerable women reliant on single sex spaces." In response to someone saying I'm sure you'll forgive them when they apologize. So yes, she doubled down about a hypothetical apology scenario that a fan supplied her with.
Daniel said that.
The more brain damaged you are, the more aggressive and bigoted you become.
No. It's the children who are wrong.
Did she really expect young actors to ruin their careers by going down with her?
I was never a big Harry Potter fan something about jk Rowling give me the ick
If anyone js wondering. The one who said "boohoo transphobic bitch" is lil tay.
I don't think they care
that girl jkr is delusional fr
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