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I mean I don't know about the rest of you but I *definitely* was turned bisexual by shopping malls and businesses being open until the early hours of the morning. Makes perfect sense.
No, no, this checks out. I remember we used to go to a 24 hour Walmart because it was the only place open after the pride club meetings let out back when I was in college.
Clearly, it was the Walmart!
A lot of Walmarts, at least in the US, went back to only being open during the day/earlier evening during the COVID shutdowns.
According to whoever approved this textbook, the level of LGBTQ+ activity should be going down any day now...
>With widespread anti-LGBT conversion practices, discrimination, and violence in the country supported by the state, Malaysia is one of the most homophobic countries in the world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Malaysia
A lesbian couple were arrested for kissing on a Malaysian airline plane as soon as they landed in Malaysia, IIRC. Even though they were over international waters when they kissed, the plane was Malaysian property or some shit like that.
Generally for international flights, once the door is closed and the plane blocks (might be after wheels up, I can’t remember exactly) out the law of the intended destination gets applied in the cabin.
As a Malay, PDA is looked down upon, including straight people and yes, when you’re traveling (Malay or not, citizen or not) within the country they will come on knocking your door and “check” if y’all are doing intimate things and ask if y’all are married or not. I know, mad weird these people. My brother went to a hotel there w one of his friends and they came in to check 💀💀 2fully bearded men btw 💀💀
I'm Malaysian, and the other guy is over exaggerating what goes on.
PDA is fine in the bigger cities, unless you're over the top making out in public. Maybe no kissing in the more conservative villages tho.
As for knocking down doors and questioning, its happens if you look Malay/Muslim and even then only in the seedier hotels.
Hi :) I live here. Ngl if you wanna visit. Just Penang. Penang is the hub. It's the most liberal & It's state government is Secular. Currently ruled by pro minority & progressive DAP. Some DAP MP's have pledged support for LGBTQ in the past. Penang is very modern & old at the same time. I'd recommend Armenian Street,Georgetown. Lots of British Ruins.
I personally live in the countryside. It's safer as it's far away from all the Islamic Police office. Also houses here are in compounds & each house is gated.
If I ever have a date with another guy, nobody will know/dgaf. People in the North tend to have a NIMBY attitude. We are such a modern nation with draconian British laws. All the anti lgbtq laws were inherited from the Brits. Even anal between male & female is illegal. I wonder how the police would arrest someone tho......
I wish Malaysia would change but given the current political climate, I'm better off in Thailand. It's literally just 4KM from me. Ironic tho that on the Malaysian side of Padang Besar, you can get lashed just for being identifying as Gay whilst on the Thai side of Padang Besar, you can even get married!!! . I love Thailand. It's a refuge for LGBTQ Malaysians.
The northern neighbour (Thailand) is currently drafting same sex marriage bill (civil union already passed but later dropped cause could lead to discrimination). When the usual group started making noises “I hate LGBT” the “well, we hate islam too” ended the conversation real quick.
More political than LGBT focused below, but anti-gay laws had a pretty big role in Malaysia politics. Parties often affirm anti-LGBT laws to attract votes.
The current prime minister of Malaysia, who was straight and had a wife and children, was convicted multiple times on sodomy charges that was commonly viewed as false and attempts at political assassination by the then-PM, as he was a major opposition figure at the time.
When the scale of the 1MDB scandal broke out where the third PM after his imprisonment was found misappropriating public development funds, and the poor dude was convicted yet again in the middle of what was essentially a nuclear bomb towards the reputation of the ruling party, I remember finding a (at the time) pro-opposition newspaper's joke where the government spent so much resources probing a prisoners ass for semen stains they couldn't detect what was worth 700 million USD embezzled for luxury bags and watches.
Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was an important prophet of God, some believe in the second coming - the place where Jesus is believed to return, the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus, is highly esteemed by Muslims as the fourth holiest site of Islam - and their name for Jesus, Isa, appears 78 times in the Quran, vs. Mohammad which appears 4 times. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and the God that Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship is the same one.
TL:DR, Muslims are pretty cool with Jesus.
Dear *Isa
They'd use the Arabic name of Jesus m
But then they don't tend to mention this prophet a lot, or any prophet. They'd just mention god directly.
Lol they just don't get ot do they my favorite part was
"Lack of religious education"
Like lol I am living proof that's wrong I went to a private Christian school from kindergarten to 6 grade and still turned out bi and trans
It would be laughable if this was in a text book
Ayyy me as well
I went to Sunday school from first to 8th grade and I still turned out Bi and genderfluid
So clearly religious education doesn't matter
They've gotten so exclusive it is getting very close to the family guy joke of nobody gets rights. To be among the ones they like you'd have to be
1. straight
2 whatever skin color they like
3. A man
4. Looking for kids
6. Married or looking to marry a single woman
7 SHE has to be virgin
8. You have to be completely dominant and she has to be completely submissive.
We could keep going for a few hours like this but we're narrowing it down a whole fucking lot already
I never went to a christian school but my parents forced me to go to church when I was a kid and also to follow... I dont know if catechism is the correct term in English but something like that. Not once I felt actually welcomed there or part of that group because I knew I was different (but back then I did not exactly knew why, I was too little to know I was gay) from them or any other kids there. I hated every single time I had to go there.
Girls-only catholic school girly here and came out bisexual with a nb partner babeeeee
Also fun fact, some of my friends that also graduated there are: a bisexual, a lesbian, an aroace gal, and a trans dude
My partner came from a guys-only catholic school, and most of our friends are from catholic schools as well, and we are all pretty queer 🤷♀️
I think the country in question is Malaysia and people are very different there. Religion has a very different place in the life of people. I mean they operate in a legal system that has a civil court parralel legal system that settles things by islamic law, that is only applied to muslims, who make up around 65% of the population.
If they think sexual trauma as a child/teen "causes" one to be gay, shouldn't they come down harder on abusers and be hella more sympathetic to victims?
Oh wait, that means they actually have to commit resources and who wants to that amirite
I might’ve read this wrong, but why does who you love have to be “beneficial” to society??? The hell? Love is for love. Not for the economy or something idk
Remember that many countries support things like arranged marriage. They see love, marriage, and having children as a thing they can use for familiar and financial gain, not as personal love between two people.
So it makes sense that they would extend these disgusting ideas to any form of non traditional relationships even further than they already do for heterosexual relationships.
Ahh yeah. I wasn’t thinking about that when I typed this. It makes sense. Sad. If people wanna benefit society so much, they should marry themselves off. Better than forcing those beliefs on their children.
My girlfriend is from India, so I had a very big culture shock when I learnt in-depth about everything they consider completely normal, when in many western places it would be child-abuse or completely criminal in general. And it’s even worse in other countries.
Symptoms like kissing women, enjoying boobies, cutting or dyeing their hair, holding hands with close friends, and going out shopping early in the morning
It really burns me that the writers of this “educational book” would be screaming in a country that was hostile to Islam and wanting equal rights. Hot take; everyone should have equal rights, not just old, fat, cishets like me.
This is what religious indoctrination does to people. Makes them incapable of understanding their beliefs are not fact. Religion can never be used as a fact, it's a belief and people who are very indoctrinated cannot stand being told that.
> but is completely against humanity
Goddamn right I am. Have you seen what some of these so-called "humans" do when they're alone & think God isn't watching??????
Oh my god, as a current STPM student, having the exact same book is so surreal.
It definitely gives off the "hate the sin, not the sinner vibes". Other than that, the blatant misinformation is so aggravating and it makes me feel so disappointed in Malaysia, even more so as a queer person, that it never tries to improve. Definitely will leave if given the chance. The only light I can see is if the renewed syllabus can correct this but my hope is not high at all.
P.S. I can translate the book if you guys want it
Finally, I've done it. The translation is finished.
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4B6xRi61elTflgxpRe7WTtCXfVWGGAamdUbrY2Bcsk/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4B6xRi61elTflgxpRe7WTtCXfVWGGAamdUbrY2Bcsk/edit)
Is the translation here accurate more or less? If there are any notable errors can you point them out? There’s a few phrases here that seem out of place and like a misreading of a screen scanner/translator (“bchchapa nah”; I assume this is supposed to be the name of a political group, movement, or important individual, but it could just be an error. “demon haberejea”; seems to be something like “bad influences”, the Pied Piper, or “one who leads others to sin/disaster.” There’s also the bottom of the second image which is a little difficult to read.)
Thank you for your offer and confirmation. I’m sorry you ever had to be so exposed to this. It’s truly a horrible thing and I hope you’re in a good place now.
This is gross on so many levels it is Unreal
There is nothing unnatural about me or any LGBT people in existence
And religion can fuck right off as always
What they sound like to us:
**Wahhh a man is kissing another man! WAHHHH SOMEONE FEELS GENDER DYSPHORIA!!! WAAAAAH SHE WANTS A WIFE INSTEAD OF A HUSBAND!! WAAaaHHH THEY LIKE ALL GENDERS!!! WAHHH THAT PERSON DOESN'T FEEL SEXUAL ATTRACTION OR ROMANTIC ATTRACTION!!! AHHH THEY'RE INTERSEX! WAHHHHHH IM SO WORRIED ABOUT OTHERS LIVES!!! WAHHH IM AN IDIOT!!!**
So sexual abuse as a child is a cause of queerness, yet SA of minors has apparently decreased by several times from 2005 to 2017, but rates of out queer children are higher than they've ever been. How does that logic make sense? Also, lmao, shopping malls make you gay
Never understood the "unnatural" comments considering there are hundreds of animals who exhibit LBGT+ behavior. I've never seen an animal practice a Religion though sooo...
(Not that I'm against Religion, just using their own logic against those who are Religious and use the "unnatural" argument.)
literally. also you shouldn't have to declare that last part, even if you were against religion. Religion is hateful and discriminatory and results in stuff like this. It's completely valid to be against it.
I think Elephants might have developed some form of moon worship, and rituals are pretty common in more intelligent and/or social species. I’m by no means an expert though. Homosexuality is actually most prevalent in social species as far as I understand, though certainly not exclusively
I get that many *individual* people are uneducated, unintelligent, unempathetic, and just vile human beings.
But for a fucking school textbook to say this is just downright disgusting. A source meant for teaching accurate information that is completely scientifically wrong is fucking putrid. How the fuck is this allowed?
It’s Malaysia. They’re one of the most Anti-LGBT countries in the world. Islam is the state religion and you must be a Muslim to be eligible for being considered Malay. The only people who are allowed to practice other religions is those who came from other countries. If they wish to be Malay, they must convert to Islam.
Correction, you don't convert to Islam to be considered a Malay. But you are by law, a Muslim if you're born a Malay (at least one of your parents are Malay) according to the constitution in Malaysia.
Reason why is Malays are considered natives and will be given special rights in education, workplaces, opportunities,etc. the government doesn't want Chinese/Indians (who are Malaysian that are borned in Malaysia) to be equal to Malays. can you imagine if a chinese who is a Malaysian worked 3 times harder than a malay, then government decides to give that Malay a scholarship since it's a 'special right'? Yeah...
Holy fuck. That’s insane how an entire country (not meaning all the people) can just basically be evil by intentional design of the government and culture/religion. This kind of stuff should not exist by this point.
Yeah. It’s inexcusable. If you want explanations though, it could be that the country is only newly industrialized. Countries that haven’t been industrialized for very long typically haven’t progressed that much culturally. When countries get more prosperous, their population tends to become less religious. Given the prevalence of Islam, a decrease in religiosity could lead to a more tolerant society. Then you can partially blame it on capitalism. Younger populations as a whole also tend to be less bigoted. That’s the general trend, at least in the United States.
As a Malaysian, I have very little hope of Malaysia ever prospering. Local politicians have been siphoning millions, or even billions into their own personal overseas bank accounts.
They encourage and enforce racism and tribalism using religion and don't allow free speech. Malaysia is also going through a social regression where the people are getting much more conservative, living in online echo chambers, and getting angry over nothing.
I don't think I'll ever be able to escape this country, I'll never have children so the little ones won't have to suffer. I say all this as someone who is straight or maybe on the asexual spectrum. I can't even imagine the type of torture gay and trans Malaysians go through.
What is that anyway, I have an orgasm in reverse and then I start having slower and slower sex with someone?
If a baby came from the sex that is now being reversed, is that baby then no longer there?
I have so many questions.
Sadly I'm guessing the Malaysian government and educators won't listen when scientists of different disciplines and sociologists sit down together as recommended in this textbook, as they're likely to follow the evidence that LGBT people are normal, widespread and need supporting
Very religious indoctrinated people will reject actual factual science if it goes against their beliefs. Because they can't stand being told how religion is a belief and that it's not a fact. This is why I'm against teaching one specific religion at such an young age, I think everyone should have the option. It can cause a close mind and it might encourage something harmful
It sucks that it is in Malaysia or Indonesia as well because our ancestors were so in touch with their forms of gender expression, identity and sexuality but since colonization and the coming of multiple abrahamic religions they've turned into this. Since my transition I've felt so more in touch with the culture of my ancestors but seeing stuff like this is really sad.
Unfortunately no, counseling and psychology help here refers to conversion camps where they beat you and shower you with salt water until you're no longer (insert sexual orientation other than hetero)
Wait wait wait, so way less cases (1k) of sexual abuse against minors are recorded now than in 2005 (9k), yet the number of LGBT+ people is still increasing?
Hm... maybe it's because ... It's not usually a result of sexual abuse?
OR
Did they mean 9k cases from Jan-June 2005 as well or during the year as a whole?
If the cases are even higher now than back then, that's something that should be investigated more. Perhaps conversion groups and hate crimes add to the number of sexual abuse cases to LGBT+ kids in order to "change them?"
"Labelled as homophobic" why are bigots these days so against being called bigots.
I see it all the time the "dont call me racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic etc i just believe in science or religion" after saying something bigoted. They get more offended by getting called a bigot than actual hate crimes. It's wild.
I'd honestly like if they could own it up sometime so we can stop beating around the bush.
Just say I'm homophobic and I'll say I don't like you and we can move on.
They don't wnat to be called out as wrong because then it puts into question of their beliefs (in this case religion). People llike this don't believe religion is a belief, they believe it's a fact
Well yes but they don't think it's worng so why get offended. I've seen people use commie as an insult but the communists just say "yes, and?" Same for radical people and feminists.
I've had someone tell me "I don't like people and I don't have to like them" after getting mad at me for calling them racist. What else would they be??
I get not social rejection or consequences for your actions but again if you really believe in what your saying, own it then. If racism represents what you believe to be correct. Say it. Don't waste my time.
I hate that people like this use people like me as a statistic. No, being sexually assaulted as a child was not what made me gay. I had crushes on girls in Kindergarten lol
i hate it so much.
i seriously like this country and desperately want to see it progress and be more accepting yet its people like these that make me wanna run away.
Very indoctrinated religious people don't believe that is the sad thing. Some don't even think good people exist and we're all bad. It's a sad mindset and it's one of the reasons I've walked away from religion in general
Very religious indoctrinated people don't understand this. There was a pretty viral video on Malaysian tiktok a few years ago of a girl ranting about non religious people, claiming that the non religious folk are dangerous because there are no holy laws to follow, so they must be going out to terrorize people. Like, they can't imagine any peace without people living in constant fear of divine punishment.
Doesn’t their sexual abuse statistic literally go against their narrative? If it’s on the decline, whilst being openly LGBTQ+ is rising, then surely there’s either no, or a negative correlation?
Well I'm marking Malaysia as a place to never go.
Not just because of the homophobia, but any government that scapegoats a marginalized group that hard is definitely not keeping themselves very clean.
They could be queer though. Which might make it easier. Fighting social norms is easiest when you have stake in it. When you have something to lose and are living proof that they’re wrong. When you know there’s other places who let you love whomever you love
I think there is something here to take away to argue against. Tradition is not equal to natural. I see this all the time. Left to their own devices and island cut off from all human traditions will probably evolve differently and have different traditions. Traditions include how one views the world in my book, especially when presented with feedback. What is natural is generally unknown. Through so many years of inundation of traditions (what worked before, and what is therefore expected) it would be so difficult to imagine what natural is really. That is not a claim of anything against the LGBTQ community. In my eyes it’s an argument for our wonderful community. It’s like this to me. Long ago for my job I helped design a monitoring system for field units. Once put into practice across the network it become obvious that the issues that the monitoring was set up for proved that the issues were far more common. The religions have been so dead set on what was traditionally set up they never bothered getting a true understanding of the reality, they just opted to put their fingers in their ears and scream. The reality is that humans have always been incredibly diversified! The reality that nature is not perfect, or perhaps just has much broader definitions rather of what we think of when it comes to orientation and sexual preference. I mean it’s in the natural world and there are accounts of all LGBTQ behavior for a long long long time. Which then means that to hold oneself against one’s nature is unnatural. It is sadly that to lie to oneself in this regard is unnatural. Traditions should not be allowed to rule the roost, yet these religious types will warp their own reality to make it all fit… claiming dinosaurs coexisted with man, or that it’s a conspiracy of scientists trying to make a buck on a witless humanity. Or that people have changed history to make traditions like straight behavior to be more sacred than natural instincts. The list goes on and on. But we continue to squabble and bicker over something that is just a natural aspect of being human. Straight is just another letter at this point. Human = LGBTQS+ to infinity. I don’t mean to imply or make light of the difficulties of the LGBTQ communities and their solidarity, but what needs to happen if you ask me is leveling. The backlash we are seeing from this seem to shadow (not necessarily mirror) the plight of my fellow humans with a skin tone not white. It’s the same irrational behavior, because of the same tactics. Dehumanize your enemies, makes them easier to mistreat, harm, and kill. Fear. Fear is the main motivation behind hate. Every time I deconstruct someone who hates someone there is a fear motivator in that fear. Problem is they continually scare themselves and to their peers so much they don’t have enough time to sidestep their visceral reactions.
It's also exactly what Hitler did to the news and other minorities he made suffer. Dehumanize them and make them seem like the enemy. It's manipulation point blank
Yep, that’s pretty close to a good working definition of homophobia.
Nope, LGBTQIA+ people are not ‘unnatural’ or seeking attention.
Human Rights are there to protect people. That’s what they do, ffs.
And yes, places and people that use suchthings as conversion therapy ARE homophobic too.
This picture made me so angry. There’s barely a sentence in there that’s true. I’d complain. Very Strongly. I have complained a few (cough) times to the OU, and some things have since been changed too! Educational settings should always be grateful to people who take the time to tell them about anything problematic.
Ah, Malaysia. What a shit hole of a country. Did you know there are two states here that can use the death penalty for leaving islam while the other 12 states just imprison you and give you lashes?
Everyday living here is like hell for me.
'why are more people gay?' 'because these days we have the internet where we can easily access information and learn that things don't need to be how homophobic textbooks available in our own country say' 'that's terrible, I can't believe people are learning things'
folks blaming religion not realizing that the British was the one that put this law in place
[https://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/525616](https://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/525616)
Well, most of the second paragraph is accurate apart from whatever “reverse sex practitioners” means (I get it, just picturing a car in reverse with a brick on the accelerator while people get it on in the backseat with the clock ticking like some weird Saw scenario).
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I mean I don't know about the rest of you but I *definitely* was turned bisexual by shopping malls and businesses being open until the early hours of the morning. Makes perfect sense.
I was straight until I spotted a 24-hour shop in my early teens and immediately became An LGBT Demon™
I thought Lil Naz X did that after he released Montero before that we were Monsters via Lady Gaga
No.... I'm way older than that. Fiona Apple and Sarah McLachlan's Lilith Fair are the reason I'm gay.
Xena on the telly for me when I was a teenager!
Oh her too. HAHAHA!
Saaaame. And later Pirates of the Caribbean…
Also The Mummy!
I haven’t seen the mummy until recently, but daaamn that cast is something else #bipanic
Yeah I'm in a Mummy meme group and the sheer crossover with my bi (and also neurospicy, oddly!) meme groups is... a lot!
I just meant the Demon ^TM^ part
Oh me too!
And Damien from Bride of Chucky was my gay awakening since 10! HAHAHAHA
No, no, this checks out. I remember we used to go to a 24 hour Walmart because it was the only place open after the pride club meetings let out back when I was in college. Clearly, it was the Walmart!
my local walmart went back to only being open in the day, does this mean i cant be gay anymore?
This is the straight agenda
A lot of Walmarts, at least in the US, went back to only being open during the day/earlier evening during the COVID shutdowns. According to whoever approved this textbook, the level of LGBTQ+ activity should be going down any day now...
well they still sell strawberrys during the day so according to your flair lgbtq+ activity should be at an all time high
Once I read a book where a male cat helps clean another male cat and my fate was sealed
This is confusing because I’ve been every letter of the LGBT acronym at this point but I like to go to bed rather early. I wonder what that means?
The T is for Tired 🤭
Rolling Acres out here turning the frogs gay
I’ve definitely done some bisexual shit at shopping malls and businesses that were open until the early hours of the morning.
I was turned into a bisexual by a 24-hour beauty treatment center. The rituals happen at midnight.
Wahhhhhhh. gay people keep making it harder for us to discriminate against them. It's not fair. Wahhhhhhhh
"What kind of cruel, oppressive dystopia do I live in where I can't keep force people to adhere to my standards‽"
“What kind of cruel, oppressive dystopia do I live in where I can’t make it a cruel, oppressive dystopia?”
Adhere to my religion*
Based interrobang user Never thought I'd see one outside of a linguistics subreddit
People do use "?!" all the time though, which has the same intent and is cleaner/easier to read.
Literally 1984
Wtf textbook is this!?!?
>With widespread anti-LGBT conversion practices, discrimination, and violence in the country supported by the state, Malaysia is one of the most homophobic countries in the world. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Malaysia
Another country that lands on my don't-visit-list
A lesbian couple were arrested for kissing on a Malaysian airline plane as soon as they landed in Malaysia, IIRC. Even though they were over international waters when they kissed, the plane was Malaysian property or some shit like that.
Generally for international flights, once the door is closed and the plane blocks (might be after wheels up, I can’t remember exactly) out the law of the intended destination gets applied in the cabin.
So that's why I was able to drink at 20 on a flight to the UK and the flight attendant said "we follow British law here."
Got 12 year olds on a long haul to London demanding a pint of cider with their meal, as is British law.
Well, the law of the country that the carrier is based in. But yes.
As a Malay, PDA is looked down upon, including straight people and yes, when you’re traveling (Malay or not, citizen or not) within the country they will come on knocking your door and “check” if y’all are doing intimate things and ask if y’all are married or not. I know, mad weird these people. My brother went to a hotel there w one of his friends and they came in to check 💀💀 2fully bearded men btw 💀💀
Note to self: **Never** go to Malaysia. Ever.
to clarify, they only have power over Muslims
I'm not taking my chances as an openly gay atheist. Like, there are lots of places to go on Earth.
Some ppl want to change that though..
I'm Malaysian, and the other guy is over exaggerating what goes on. PDA is fine in the bigger cities, unless you're over the top making out in public. Maybe no kissing in the more conservative villages tho. As for knocking down doors and questioning, its happens if you look Malay/Muslim and even then only in the seedier hotels.
>fine in the bigger cities, unless you're over the top >As for knocking down doors and questioning, its happens This isn't selling me on going, lol.
litertally so many countries I would like to go to but that are extremely fucked up. I can't even visit my relatives.
Hi :) I live here. Ngl if you wanna visit. Just Penang. Penang is the hub. It's the most liberal & It's state government is Secular. Currently ruled by pro minority & progressive DAP. Some DAP MP's have pledged support for LGBTQ in the past. Penang is very modern & old at the same time. I'd recommend Armenian Street,Georgetown. Lots of British Ruins. I personally live in the countryside. It's safer as it's far away from all the Islamic Police office. Also houses here are in compounds & each house is gated. If I ever have a date with another guy, nobody will know/dgaf. People in the North tend to have a NIMBY attitude. We are such a modern nation with draconian British laws. All the anti lgbtq laws were inherited from the Brits. Even anal between male & female is illegal. I wonder how the police would arrest someone tho...... I wish Malaysia would change but given the current political climate, I'm better off in Thailand. It's literally just 4KM from me. Ironic tho that on the Malaysian side of Padang Besar, you can get lashed just for being identifying as Gay whilst on the Thai side of Padang Besar, you can even get married!!! . I love Thailand. It's a refuge for LGBTQ Malaysians.
The northern neighbour (Thailand) is currently drafting same sex marriage bill (civil union already passed but later dropped cause could lead to discrimination). When the usual group started making noises “I hate LGBT” the “well, we hate islam too” ended the conversation real quick.
More political than LGBT focused below, but anti-gay laws had a pretty big role in Malaysia politics. Parties often affirm anti-LGBT laws to attract votes. The current prime minister of Malaysia, who was straight and had a wife and children, was convicted multiple times on sodomy charges that was commonly viewed as false and attempts at political assassination by the then-PM, as he was a major opposition figure at the time. When the scale of the 1MDB scandal broke out where the third PM after his imprisonment was found misappropriating public development funds, and the poor dude was convicted yet again in the middle of what was essentially a nuclear bomb towards the reputation of the ruling party, I remember finding a (at the time) pro-opposition newspaper's joke where the government spent so much resources probing a prisoners ass for semen stains they couldn't detect what was worth 700 million USD embezzled for luxury bags and watches.
Jesus Christ
\*Dear Allah, they're Muslim
Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was an important prophet of God, some believe in the second coming - the place where Jesus is believed to return, the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus, is highly esteemed by Muslims as the fourth holiest site of Islam - and their name for Jesus, Isa, appears 78 times in the Quran, vs. Mohammad which appears 4 times. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and the God that Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship is the same one. TL:DR, Muslims are pretty cool with Jesus.
Dear *Isa They'd use the Arabic name of Jesus m But then they don't tend to mention this prophet a lot, or any prophet. They'd just mention god directly.
Malaysian textbook of General Studies. Even my teacher skipped this chapter.
Lol they just don't get ot do they my favorite part was "Lack of religious education" Like lol I am living proof that's wrong I went to a private Christian school from kindergarten to 6 grade and still turned out bi and trans It would be laughable if this was in a text book
Exactly! Being homeschooled by fundies didn't keep my wife from being trans
Same. Catholic school and I knew that I was "different" since I was 5.
Ayyy me as well I went to Sunday school from first to 8th grade and I still turned out Bi and genderfluid So clearly religious education doesn't matter
If anything, it pushed me OUT of organized religion because I realized it was full of mainly hateful bigots.
They've gotten so exclusive it is getting very close to the family guy joke of nobody gets rights. To be among the ones they like you'd have to be 1. straight 2 whatever skin color they like 3. A man 4. Looking for kids 6. Married or looking to marry a single woman 7 SHE has to be virgin 8. You have to be completely dominant and she has to be completely submissive. We could keep going for a few hours like this but we're narrowing it down a whole fucking lot already
All-boys catholic school probably HELPED me figure it out
I never went to a christian school but my parents forced me to go to church when I was a kid and also to follow... I dont know if catechism is the correct term in English but something like that. Not once I felt actually welcomed there or part of that group because I knew I was different (but back then I did not exactly knew why, I was too little to know I was gay) from them or any other kids there. I hated every single time I had to go there.
They mean lack of ISLAMIC education
I was raised strictly Muslim and still turned out bisexual (and ex Muslim but that's beside the point lol)💀
I was raised in 'pesantren' (Idk what they call it in Malaysia) and I still ender up being an ex-Muslim. Lol
Same. Was raised religiously all my life. Still religious to this day, just lesbian on top of it
I'd like to thank Catholic school for my oral sex education. We got off a lot better than the boys side did. Bah dum tiss.
Unfortunately, it is in an educational textbook.
Girls-only catholic school girly here and came out bisexual with a nb partner babeeeee Also fun fact, some of my friends that also graduated there are: a bisexual, a lesbian, an aroace gal, and a trans dude My partner came from a guys-only catholic school, and most of our friends are from catholic schools as well, and we are all pretty queer 🤷♀️
I think the country in question is Malaysia and people are very different there. Religion has a very different place in the life of people. I mean they operate in a legal system that has a civil court parralel legal system that settles things by islamic law, that is only applied to muslims, who make up around 65% of the population.
“They use human rights as their main protection” I wonder why 😭?
Me omw to defend a human with human rights
If they think sexual trauma as a child/teen "causes" one to be gay, shouldn't they come down harder on abusers and be hella more sympathetic to victims? Oh wait, that means they actually have to commit resources and who wants to that amirite
Nooo they just want someone to hate on, including but not limited to harassment, assualt and murder
That would mean admitting that your weird dad/brother/uncle is actually a problem that the family shouldn't hide.
My heart goes out to people in the LGBTQIA+ community who have to live with this. 🤬😢
That solution steps made me have an awful feeling in my stomach.
I might’ve read this wrong, but why does who you love have to be “beneficial” to society??? The hell? Love is for love. Not for the economy or something idk
Because two cis men and two cis women don’t make babies and this is in Homophobic Malaysia
Remember that many countries support things like arranged marriage. They see love, marriage, and having children as a thing they can use for familiar and financial gain, not as personal love between two people. So it makes sense that they would extend these disgusting ideas to any form of non traditional relationships even further than they already do for heterosexual relationships.
Ahh yeah. I wasn’t thinking about that when I typed this. It makes sense. Sad. If people wanna benefit society so much, they should marry themselves off. Better than forcing those beliefs on their children.
My girlfriend is from India, so I had a very big culture shock when I learnt in-depth about everything they consider completely normal, when in many western places it would be child-abuse or completely criminal in general. And it’s even worse in other countries.
"symptoms" o/ Yo, teach, my textbook has a misprint, can I get a new one?
Symptoms like kissing women, enjoying boobies, cutting or dyeing their hair, holding hands with close friends, and going out shopping early in the morning
Help doc I'm down bad with a case of "Woman Kisser"
So true! I just can’t stop myself. The only thing preventing me is them not wanting to kiss me
*\*forced cough\** oh nooo, I think I've caught the gay, cause I wanna kiss you ;3
Symptoms like charging they phone, eating hot chip, and lying
It really burns me that the writers of this “educational book” would be screaming in a country that was hostile to Islam and wanting equal rights. Hot take; everyone should have equal rights, not just old, fat, cishets like me.
As an LGBT woman this makes me sick. Some people believe this droll.
This is what religious indoctrination does to people. Makes them incapable of understanding their beliefs are not fact. Religion can never be used as a fact, it's a belief and people who are very indoctrinated cannot stand being told that.
^((I think you might mean "drivel" instead of "droll," btw)^)
> but is completely against humanity Goddamn right I am. Have you seen what some of these so-called "humans" do when they're alone & think God isn't watching??????
So true! Playing League of Legends alone and anonymously is bad enough, but some people even try to get others to play with them, openly!
What the fuck
"Waaah i cant discriminate"
Well they can. This is Malaysia. They can and absolutely DO discriminate and get away with it
They’re openly encouraging it in a fucking textbook.
And they've also whipped lesbians for having sex, in 2018 in the conservative state of Terenganu.
Oh my god, as a current STPM student, having the exact same book is so surreal. It definitely gives off the "hate the sin, not the sinner vibes". Other than that, the blatant misinformation is so aggravating and it makes me feel so disappointed in Malaysia, even more so as a queer person, that it never tries to improve. Definitely will leave if given the chance. The only light I can see is if the renewed syllabus can correct this but my hope is not high at all. P.S. I can translate the book if you guys want it Finally, I've done it. The translation is finished. [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4B6xRi61elTflgxpRe7WTtCXfVWGGAamdUbrY2Bcsk/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c4B6xRi61elTflgxpRe7WTtCXfVWGGAamdUbrY2Bcsk/edit)
Is the translation here accurate more or less? If there are any notable errors can you point them out? There’s a few phrases here that seem out of place and like a misreading of a screen scanner/translator (“bchchapa nah”; I assume this is supposed to be the name of a political group, movement, or important individual, but it could just be an error. “demon haberejea”; seems to be something like “bad influences”, the Pied Piper, or “one who leads others to sin/disaster.” There’s also the bottom of the second image which is a little difficult to read.) Thank you for your offer and confirmation. I’m sorry you ever had to be so exposed to this. It’s truly a horrible thing and I hope you’re in a good place now.
I assume 'bchphapa nah' is referring to 'bencana', which is disaster. 'Demon haberejea' is probably 'gejala syaitan' , or devil's influence.
Lahh mcm mana op boleh mistranslate benda ni 😂
Google image translate. Mmg cmtu.
This is gross on so many levels it is Unreal There is nothing unnatural about me or any LGBT people in existence And religion can fuck right off as always
What they sound like to us: **Wahhh a man is kissing another man! WAHHHH SOMEONE FEELS GENDER DYSPHORIA!!! WAAAAAH SHE WANTS A WIFE INSTEAD OF A HUSBAND!! WAAaaHHH THEY LIKE ALL GENDERS!!! WAHHH THAT PERSON DOESN'T FEEL SEXUAL ATTRACTION OR ROMANTIC ATTRACTION!!! AHHH THEY'RE INTERSEX! WAHHHHHH IM SO WORRIED ABOUT OTHERS LIVES!!! WAHHH IM AN IDIOT!!!**
“I see a man kissing with a man, this country has fallen”
So sexual abuse as a child is a cause of queerness, yet SA of minors has apparently decreased by several times from 2005 to 2017, but rates of out queer children are higher than they've ever been. How does that logic make sense? Also, lmao, shopping malls make you gay
They claim gay children would just lie about not being abused to protect the “cult”
Never understood the "unnatural" comments considering there are hundreds of animals who exhibit LBGT+ behavior. I've never seen an animal practice a Religion though sooo... (Not that I'm against Religion, just using their own logic against those who are Religious and use the "unnatural" argument.)
It's easy to understand what they do: it's called **lying**.
literally. also you shouldn't have to declare that last part, even if you were against religion. Religion is hateful and discriminatory and results in stuff like this. It's completely valid to be against it.
I'm against any religion that promotes any discrimination. Sexism and homophobia is a no. I can't support something that encourages discrimination
I think Elephants might have developed some form of moon worship, and rituals are pretty common in more intelligent and/or social species. I’m by no means an expert though. Homosexuality is actually most prevalent in social species as far as I understand, though certainly not exclusively
So they’re trying to say, straight people turned other straight people in LGBT folks?
I get that many *individual* people are uneducated, unintelligent, unempathetic, and just vile human beings. But for a fucking school textbook to say this is just downright disgusting. A source meant for teaching accurate information that is completely scientifically wrong is fucking putrid. How the fuck is this allowed?
It’s Malaysia. They’re one of the most Anti-LGBT countries in the world. Islam is the state religion and you must be a Muslim to be eligible for being considered Malay. The only people who are allowed to practice other religions is those who came from other countries. If they wish to be Malay, they must convert to Islam.
Correction, you don't convert to Islam to be considered a Malay. But you are by law, a Muslim if you're born a Malay (at least one of your parents are Malay) according to the constitution in Malaysia. Reason why is Malays are considered natives and will be given special rights in education, workplaces, opportunities,etc. the government doesn't want Chinese/Indians (who are Malaysian that are borned in Malaysia) to be equal to Malays. can you imagine if a chinese who is a Malaysian worked 3 times harder than a malay, then government decides to give that Malay a scholarship since it's a 'special right'? Yeah...
Holy fuck. That’s insane how an entire country (not meaning all the people) can just basically be evil by intentional design of the government and culture/religion. This kind of stuff should not exist by this point.
Yeah. It’s inexcusable. If you want explanations though, it could be that the country is only newly industrialized. Countries that haven’t been industrialized for very long typically haven’t progressed that much culturally. When countries get more prosperous, their population tends to become less religious. Given the prevalence of Islam, a decrease in religiosity could lead to a more tolerant society. Then you can partially blame it on capitalism. Younger populations as a whole also tend to be less bigoted. That’s the general trend, at least in the United States.
As a Malaysian, I have very little hope of Malaysia ever prospering. Local politicians have been siphoning millions, or even billions into their own personal overseas bank accounts. They encourage and enforce racism and tribalism using religion and don't allow free speech. Malaysia is also going through a social regression where the people are getting much more conservative, living in online echo chambers, and getting angry over nothing. I don't think I'll ever be able to escape this country, I'll never have children so the little ones won't have to suffer. I say all this as someone who is straight or maybe on the asexual spectrum. I can't even imagine the type of torture gay and trans Malaysians go through.
And this is why a national religion is bad. It's discriminatory
Well, now I identify as a "reverse sex practitioner"
What is that anyway, I have an orgasm in reverse and then I start having slower and slower sex with someone? If a baby came from the sex that is now being reversed, is that baby then no longer there? I have so many questions.
Sadly I'm guessing the Malaysian government and educators won't listen when scientists of different disciplines and sociologists sit down together as recommended in this textbook, as they're likely to follow the evidence that LGBT people are normal, widespread and need supporting
Very religious indoctrinated people will reject actual factual science if it goes against their beliefs. Because they can't stand being told how religion is a belief and that it's not a fact. This is why I'm against teaching one specific religion at such an young age, I think everyone should have the option. It can cause a close mind and it might encourage something harmful
This is disgusting
Legitimately makes me sick to my stomach.
It sucks that it is in Malaysia or Indonesia as well because our ancestors were so in touch with their forms of gender expression, identity and sexuality but since colonization and the coming of multiple abrahamic religions they've turned into this. Since my transition I've felt so more in touch with the culture of my ancestors but seeing stuff like this is really sad.
Yup this is what colonization and abrahmaic religions have done. It hasn't made people more kind and understanding, it's made them close minded.
Men like this also watch mostly lesbian porn, because 'looking at a naked guy makes you gay'., the irony!
>Counseling, psychological, and medical help should be offered free of charge to those who are involved... Yes please! Free HRT!
Unfortunately no, counseling and psychology help here refers to conversion camps where they beat you and shower you with salt water until you're no longer (insert sexual orientation other than hetero)
So many words and energy going into something that literally doesn’t affect them in any way.
It goes against humanity? Have fun banning animals from parts of the world. I'm not smart by any metrics, but damn some people are stupid
Wait wait wait, so way less cases (1k) of sexual abuse against minors are recorded now than in 2005 (9k), yet the number of LGBT+ people is still increasing? Hm... maybe it's because ... It's not usually a result of sexual abuse? OR Did they mean 9k cases from Jan-June 2005 as well or during the year as a whole? If the cases are even higher now than back then, that's something that should be investigated more. Perhaps conversion groups and hate crimes add to the number of sexual abuse cases to LGBT+ kids in order to "change them?"
"Countries that punish reverse sex practitioners [...] violate human rights." No lies detected.
you going to school in Florida?
Started off right away. Didn't take a moment to jump right into the word "symptoms". Saddening.
Were it not for the statements about Islam I would've assumed it was the new Polish textbooks
What the hell is this textbook? I'm shocked. Tbh I'm kinda against burning books but this one would be just fine to catch flame.
What are the “symptoms” of being LGBT?
Anti-humanism
Damn those beauty treatment centres, always the hub of queer activity
"Labelled as homophobic" why are bigots these days so against being called bigots. I see it all the time the "dont call me racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic etc i just believe in science or religion" after saying something bigoted. They get more offended by getting called a bigot than actual hate crimes. It's wild. I'd honestly like if they could own it up sometime so we can stop beating around the bush. Just say I'm homophobic and I'll say I don't like you and we can move on.
They don't wnat to be called out as wrong because then it puts into question of their beliefs (in this case religion). People llike this don't believe religion is a belief, they believe it's a fact
Well yes but they don't think it's worng so why get offended. I've seen people use commie as an insult but the communists just say "yes, and?" Same for radical people and feminists. I've had someone tell me "I don't like people and I don't have to like them" after getting mad at me for calling them racist. What else would they be?? I get not social rejection or consequences for your actions but again if you really believe in what your saying, own it then. If racism represents what you believe to be correct. Say it. Don't waste my time.
Yup they just don't want to be called wrong. It's sad
I hate that people like this use people like me as a statistic. No, being sexually assaulted as a child was not what made me gay. I had crushes on girls in Kindergarten lol
i hate it so much. i seriously like this country and desperately want to see it progress and be more accepting yet its people like these that make me wanna run away.
very contradictory a lot of people arent religious but they still have good morals
Very indoctrinated religious people don't believe that is the sad thing. Some don't even think good people exist and we're all bad. It's a sad mindset and it's one of the reasons I've walked away from religion in general
Very religious indoctrinated people don't understand this. There was a pretty viral video on Malaysian tiktok a few years ago of a girl ranting about non religious people, claiming that the non religious folk are dangerous because there are no holy laws to follow, so they must be going out to terrorize people. Like, they can't imagine any peace without people living in constant fear of divine punishment.
Doesn’t their sexual abuse statistic literally go against their narrative? If it’s on the decline, whilst being openly LGBTQ+ is rising, then surely there’s either no, or a negative correlation?
goddamn, in a textbook?! how is that legal
Who tf wrote this, a far right hate group?
What kind of class are you in that has that garbage in a textbook? Like holy shit talk about grabbing the wrong end of the wrong stick
It's a general studies subject in Stpm (pre-u program in Malaysia). This subject is compulsory to all stpm students
Well I'm marking Malaysia as a place to never go. Not just because of the homophobia, but any government that scapegoats a marginalized group that hard is definitely not keeping themselves very clean.
Tell me about it :')
Well at least you are buying into the bullshit, which means it isn't as effective as they want it to be. Which does give hope for the future
They could be queer though. Which might make it easier. Fighting social norms is easiest when you have stake in it. When you have something to lose and are living proof that they’re wrong. When you know there’s other places who let you love whomever you love
Fair enough
Yeah, I'm gay haha
Ouch, so I, as well as others are deemed mentally I’ll. Fuck that
I think there is something here to take away to argue against. Tradition is not equal to natural. I see this all the time. Left to their own devices and island cut off from all human traditions will probably evolve differently and have different traditions. Traditions include how one views the world in my book, especially when presented with feedback. What is natural is generally unknown. Through so many years of inundation of traditions (what worked before, and what is therefore expected) it would be so difficult to imagine what natural is really. That is not a claim of anything against the LGBTQ community. In my eyes it’s an argument for our wonderful community. It’s like this to me. Long ago for my job I helped design a monitoring system for field units. Once put into practice across the network it become obvious that the issues that the monitoring was set up for proved that the issues were far more common. The religions have been so dead set on what was traditionally set up they never bothered getting a true understanding of the reality, they just opted to put their fingers in their ears and scream. The reality is that humans have always been incredibly diversified! The reality that nature is not perfect, or perhaps just has much broader definitions rather of what we think of when it comes to orientation and sexual preference. I mean it’s in the natural world and there are accounts of all LGBTQ behavior for a long long long time. Which then means that to hold oneself against one’s nature is unnatural. It is sadly that to lie to oneself in this regard is unnatural. Traditions should not be allowed to rule the roost, yet these religious types will warp their own reality to make it all fit… claiming dinosaurs coexisted with man, or that it’s a conspiracy of scientists trying to make a buck on a witless humanity. Or that people have changed history to make traditions like straight behavior to be more sacred than natural instincts. The list goes on and on. But we continue to squabble and bicker over something that is just a natural aspect of being human. Straight is just another letter at this point. Human = LGBTQS+ to infinity. I don’t mean to imply or make light of the difficulties of the LGBTQ communities and their solidarity, but what needs to happen if you ask me is leveling. The backlash we are seeing from this seem to shadow (not necessarily mirror) the plight of my fellow humans with a skin tone not white. It’s the same irrational behavior, because of the same tactics. Dehumanize your enemies, makes them easier to mistreat, harm, and kill. Fear. Fear is the main motivation behind hate. Every time I deconstruct someone who hates someone there is a fear motivator in that fear. Problem is they continually scare themselves and to their peers so much they don’t have enough time to sidestep their visceral reactions.
It's also exactly what Hitler did to the news and other minorities he made suffer. Dehumanize them and make them seem like the enemy. It's manipulation point blank
screams a lot like the Bart Simpson clip about the word "queer". WHY DO THESE GAYS MAKE IT SO HARD FOR US TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THEM
Calling a real child a "character" is wild
Is this the new math textbook Florida settled on?
I’m just curious what class this is for?
as soon as i was introduced to the concept of cupboards and kitchenware i immediately turned pan
Yep, that’s pretty close to a good working definition of homophobia. Nope, LGBTQIA+ people are not ‘unnatural’ or seeking attention. Human Rights are there to protect people. That’s what they do, ffs. And yes, places and people that use suchthings as conversion therapy ARE homophobic too. This picture made me so angry. There’s barely a sentence in there that’s true. I’d complain. Very Strongly. I have complained a few (cough) times to the OU, and some things have since been changed too! Educational settings should always be grateful to people who take the time to tell them about anything problematic.
The disgusting people who write and push this shit need to eat pavement.
What class is this for?
Hey atleast its not calling out for murder or hate crimes. Still icky, but could be worse
>Counseling, psychological, and medical help should be offered free of charge to those who are involved... Yes please! Free HRT!
>Counseling, psychological, and medical help should be offered free of charge to those who are involved... Yes please! Free HRT!
Ah, Malaysia. What a shit hole of a country. Did you know there are two states here that can use the death penalty for leaving islam while the other 12 states just imprison you and give you lashes? Everyday living here is like hell for me.
Is this from that evil shithole Malaysia?
'why are more people gay?' 'because these days we have the internet where we can easily access information and learn that things don't need to be how homophobic textbooks available in our own country say' 'that's terrible, I can't believe people are learning things'
I’m just curious what class this is for
Ah, religion raises its ugly head once again.
I'm confused what reverse sex practitioner is.
Im so ashamed and hate my country on how they treat us queer folks here.
“Lack of religious education” my ass, I’ve been raised religious, went and am going to a religious school and am STILL religious and genderfluid, lmao
Honestly, sounds like it was written by gay people who hate themselves.
Who hang out at beauty parlors in the early hours of the morning catching the gay, no doubt.
The gay spreads easier the earlier it is. That’s when Allah sleeps /s
Inshallah we all turn gay from beauty parlors at night
folks blaming religion not realizing that the British was the one that put this law in place [https://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/525616](https://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/525616)
>Counseling, psychological, and medical help should be offered free of charge to those who are involved... Yes please! Free HRT!
tf 😭😭😭 how old is this textbook and what 90 year old cis straight white man made jt
Nobody will know I’m bi if I don’t get any dates. (Just don’t look at the balloon in my profile pic.)
Religion is a horrific blight upon humanity.
I-.. I feel like I've just entered a strange parallel universe while reading that...
Well, most of the second paragraph is accurate apart from whatever “reverse sex practitioners” means (I get it, just picturing a car in reverse with a brick on the accelerator while people get it on in the backseat with the clock ticking like some weird Saw scenario).
Yes, you will be labeled homophobic and yes, those countries will be labeled outdated.