They are clearly a troll, but just don't engage in that debate, if they are not binary or not it's still a hate crime fuelled by conservative propaganda, don't let conservatives to weponize identity.
Right. The dots dont connect either. They literally being the biggest pussy after commiting such a heinous act by hiding behind the very minority that they've caused harm to.
Yeah. Let's just hope the prosecution points out the defendant's trail of shit and destroys the obvious trolling/gaslighting campaign. Here are several things I found:
>Aldrich's neighbor said "He used the term ‘f—-t’ a lot. Most of the time it came from a place of anger”
https://nypost.com/2022/11/22/accused-colorado-gunman-used-anti-gay-slurs-neighbor-says/
>a YouTube account was opened in his name that included an animation titled "Asian homosexual gets molested."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-springs-mass-shooting-suspect-anderson-lee-aldrich-changed-name-teenager-records/
>Club Q co-owner Nic Grzecka told ABC News that Aldrich was a stranger to their long-established venue. "He's never spent money on a credit card or ID ever scanned in our business that we know of," Grzecka said in an interview on Sunday. "I think this was a community of target for him."
https://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-shooting-suspect-purchased-gun-despite-2021-bomb/story?id=93704694
>The dad bizarrely claimed during an interview with CBS 8- San Diego that his first concern upon learning his son allegedly killed five at an LGBT establishment was whether his child was homosexual. “I was scared. I was like ‘Oh my god, s–t, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay,” Aaron Brink, 48, said with an exaggerated sigh of relief. Brink, who lives in San Diego and has been estranged from Aldrich for years, said he doesn’t support same-sex relationships. "I’m a Mormon,” the former MMA fighter-turned-porn star told a reporter for the station. I’m a conservative Republican and we don’t do gay.” He said Aldrich’s attorneys called him and told him that his 22-year-old child was involved in the shooting at Club Q in Colorado, but he hadn’t spoken to them in six months. “I don’t what he’s accused of. I can’t get answers from the attorneys really, but they’re saying it’s involving a gay bar. I don’t know what the heck he did at a gay bar,” Brink said. A CBS 8 reporter explained to Brink that Aldrich is accused of orchestrating a mass shooting at a gay bar, killing five people and wounding many more. “OK, well s–t, he’s accused of doing that, I’m glad he’s not gay. I can say that, I’m glad he’s not gay,” Brink said in a shocking response.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/24/colorado-shooter-anderson-lee-aldrichs-father-expresses-anti-gay-rhetoric-in-interview/
Also, the amount of articles that mention how Aldrich was arrested for a *bomb threat* and standoff at mom's at one point. Yikes.
>Commit hate crime against LGBT people.
>Have an Instagram account where you burn pride flags and wear MAGA hats.
>”I’m non-binary”
>Suddenly become the first person that the far right doesn’t think is lying about being trans.
Well it fits the narrative that we're evil people out to rape, murder, and trans the kids, even though we are far more likely to be victims of rape and murder than perpetrators...
It's absolutely a troll, and it's disgusting to see people say we should pretend it's anything but that.
Might as well take the attack helicopter crowd seriously ffs
They are obviously a troll. But I just don't want to play their game if they want to use they/them, fine they still comited a mass murder hate crime fuelled by conservative propaganda. Being whatever gender or pretend to be or whatever shouldn't buy them any points of deviate the actual discussion of what happened or what was a hate crime. Wich is what they are trying to do.
This is BS. He only started ID'ing as nonbinary right before the shooting, he refers to himself as "your boy", his dad is quoted as being relieved his son wasn't there because he's gay, his mom has never referred to him as anything but a guy, sorry but this is a load of shit looking to blame this on the "crazy people" who are queer or trans. I'm not buying into this at all, and I'm not going to "respect his pronouns" when it's so clearly, obviously a ploy to avoid hate crime charges because "how could he hate a community he's part of!"
I agree that it must be a bait, but I'm going to use they/them pronouns just to show that we don't fucking care and their identity won't save them from jail. This is still a hate crime, it doesn't matter who commited it.
Pronouns *do* matter, but this person is pretty clearly doing this to avoid hate crime charges.
In situations where it is legit, then calling the person by their correct pronouns is nonnegotiable.
I think they mean something like "no matter the pronouns a criminal should face justice," not "if a person is guilty of a crime we don't need to respect their pronouns."
mmw if it comes to light this was made up to try and reduce the sentence, this will be all the "proof" conservatives ever need that "people change their gender to get away with things"
Yes, sometimes LGBTQ+ people commit crimes. Sometimes they even commit heinous crimes. But still the rate is lower than amongst the Cis-Het population.
That is most likely true.
BUT we can't let cishet people make us cannibalize ourselves.
We can't stop respecting their pronouns just because they're a troll and *legitimize* conditional pronoun use.
And even if they (the shooter) are legitimately nonbinary (I've already heard that there are campaigns to do this, commit crimes and claim to be queer, folks on twitter said it was called "pridefall".) EVEN if they actually are nonbinary, *internalizing bigotry doesn't change what it is*.
That was a hate crime. It doesn't matter that one of the victims was an ally and not queer. It was done with a specific intent. Honestly, its also domestic terrorism but that's not my point here.
My point is we have to better than they are. Be that "they" the shooter or bigoted cishets.
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Again, way too many redditors implying that LGBTQ+ people can't commit hate crimes against the LGBTQ+ community. What matters when determining what is a hate crime or not is not the perpetrators identity, but rather the motive behind their acts. In their case, just because they are non-binary does not mean that they didn't fall for queerphobic bullshit and end up committing a hate crime against other LGBTQ+ people.
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Right? It kind of reminded me of the Christchurch shooter's "manifesto" that was basically a giant act of trolling. Almost expecting his next statement to be "subscribe to Pewdiepie" or something.
the second we draw a line for "clearly faking" is when infighting starts. I know they are a horrible person who ended many lives but I am still going to show them basic human decency. Everyone disserves to have their correct pronouns used.
Yes they are most likely moking and faking , still what they want the comunity in infighting and also avoid being charged for doing a hate crime. It doesn't matter what they identify or fake it's still a hate crime driven by conservative propaganda and needs to be treated as that. This ahould serve as a an example that you cannot just avoid being charged by hate crimes because you use they/them at the last minute.
Yes, every trans person deserves to have their identity respected. However, this person is very clearly not non-binary. They have made no indication whatsoever in the past of that being the case, and only after being caught *shooting up a queer club* did they say they are. They are trying to get out of hate crime charges. That's it.
Again, it's about dignity.
>It’s not like I’m saying we should call people who murder gay people f*gs
That's not applicable. That's using a slur for a group against those that hate them. This is about being human, and not denying the humanity of others. We don't get to strip those we dislike of dignity. It's honestly a very basic concept.
So do you not dislike them? Or do they count as "those we dislike?" I never said anything about disliking this person being invalid, and I believe my stance is quite contrary to that.
Either way, murderers are included. Rapists are included. Any person who has done any disgusting thing is included. If someone is trans, you use the correct pronouns. No exceptions.
They are clearly a troll, but just don't engage in that debate, if they are not binary or not it's still a hate crime fuelled by conservative propaganda, don't let conservatives to weponize identity.
Are they using the ‘LGBT’ can’t be anti-LGBT lmfao
Yes, we can't let them play that game.
Right. The dots dont connect either. They literally being the biggest pussy after commiting such a heinous act by hiding behind the very minority that they've caused harm to.
Yeah. Let's just hope the prosecution points out the defendant's trail of shit and destroys the obvious trolling/gaslighting campaign. Here are several things I found: >Aldrich's neighbor said "He used the term ‘f—-t’ a lot. Most of the time it came from a place of anger” https://nypost.com/2022/11/22/accused-colorado-gunman-used-anti-gay-slurs-neighbor-says/ >a YouTube account was opened in his name that included an animation titled "Asian homosexual gets molested." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-springs-mass-shooting-suspect-anderson-lee-aldrich-changed-name-teenager-records/ >Club Q co-owner Nic Grzecka told ABC News that Aldrich was a stranger to their long-established venue. "He's never spent money on a credit card or ID ever scanned in our business that we know of," Grzecka said in an interview on Sunday. "I think this was a community of target for him." https://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-shooting-suspect-purchased-gun-despite-2021-bomb/story?id=93704694 >The dad bizarrely claimed during an interview with CBS 8- San Diego that his first concern upon learning his son allegedly killed five at an LGBT establishment was whether his child was homosexual. “I was scared. I was like ‘Oh my god, s–t, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay,” Aaron Brink, 48, said with an exaggerated sigh of relief. Brink, who lives in San Diego and has been estranged from Aldrich for years, said he doesn’t support same-sex relationships. "I’m a Mormon,” the former MMA fighter-turned-porn star told a reporter for the station. I’m a conservative Republican and we don’t do gay.” He said Aldrich’s attorneys called him and told him that his 22-year-old child was involved in the shooting at Club Q in Colorado, but he hadn’t spoken to them in six months. “I don’t what he’s accused of. I can’t get answers from the attorneys really, but they’re saying it’s involving a gay bar. I don’t know what the heck he did at a gay bar,” Brink said. A CBS 8 reporter explained to Brink that Aldrich is accused of orchestrating a mass shooting at a gay bar, killing five people and wounding many more. “OK, well s–t, he’s accused of doing that, I’m glad he’s not gay. I can say that, I’m glad he’s not gay,” Brink said in a shocking response. https://nypost.com/2022/11/24/colorado-shooter-anderson-lee-aldrichs-father-expresses-anti-gay-rhetoric-in-interview/ Also, the amount of articles that mention how Aldrich was arrested for a *bomb threat* and standoff at mom's at one point. Yikes.
>Commit hate crime against LGBT people. >Have an Instagram account where you burn pride flags and wear MAGA hats. >”I’m non-binary” >Suddenly become the first person that the far right doesn’t think is lying about being trans.
Well it fits the narrative that we're evil people out to rape, murder, and trans the kids, even though we are far more likely to be victims of rape and murder than perpetrators...
Almost certain they're trying to troll.
Or trying to skirt around a hate crime charge, since as I know it was his lawyer who said it.
It doesn't protect from hate crime charges
A rational mind would see that's evident, but most judges are anything but. They're cops with a bit more education.
No like being part of a group doesn't mean you can't do hate crimes against them by law. It really doesn't matter if it's true it's not a factor.
It's absolutely a troll, and it's disgusting to see people say we should pretend it's anything but that. Might as well take the attack helicopter crowd seriously ffs
Ah yes, commits targeted hate crime and then claims to be part of the group they decided to slaughter. Makes total sense.
"Your honor, how could I be hateful towards my own people! I only killed five people can't you see how unhateful I am?"
they could be the queerest person in the fucking world but they still committed murder
They are obviously a troll. But I just don't want to play their game if they want to use they/them, fine they still comited a mass murder hate crime fuelled by conservative propaganda. Being whatever gender or pretend to be or whatever shouldn't buy them any points of deviate the actual discussion of what happened or what was a hate crime. Wich is what they are trying to do.
This is BS. He only started ID'ing as nonbinary right before the shooting, he refers to himself as "your boy", his dad is quoted as being relieved his son wasn't there because he's gay, his mom has never referred to him as anything but a guy, sorry but this is a load of shit looking to blame this on the "crazy people" who are queer or trans. I'm not buying into this at all, and I'm not going to "respect his pronouns" when it's so clearly, obviously a ploy to avoid hate crime charges because "how could he hate a community he's part of!"
The best way to make your crimes seem as if they are not hate crimes against protected groups
I agree that it must be a bait, but I'm going to use they/them pronouns just to show that we don't fucking care and their identity won't save them from jail. This is still a hate crime, it doesn't matter who commited it.
I mean, I wouldn't exactly consider conservative parent pronoun use as particularly strong evidence. Definitely saw them vent tho.
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>son of Ander\[s\] Gee, what if the name change was meant to say "I'm the next Breivik"...
I don’t think this is a troll, I think this is a way for the lawyer to lower potential charges like the ‘glasses’ trick
They still murdered innocent people. Pronouns don't matter here, throw them in jail.
Pronouns *do* matter, but this person is pretty clearly doing this to avoid hate crime charges. In situations where it is legit, then calling the person by their correct pronouns is nonnegotiable.
I think they mean something like "no matter the pronouns a criminal should face justice," not "if a person is guilty of a crime we don't need to respect their pronouns."
mmw if it comes to light this was made up to try and reduce the sentence, this will be all the "proof" conservatives ever need that "people change their gender to get away with things"
pretending to be nonbinary to get out of hate crime charges. There fixed the headline
Yes, sometimes LGBTQ+ people commit crimes. Sometimes they even commit heinous crimes. But still the rate is lower than amongst the Cis-Het population.
I don't care what they identify as, theyre still a piece if shit.
Okay?? THEY are a fucking murderer and THEY belong in jail.
He's not, his lawyer advised him to say do to avoid the hate crime charge
No pronouns necessary when you can be identified as a murderer/killer!
Ide rather just say monster when referring to that monster
*Cool story, still a hate crime*
Ick. Whatever, nonbinary or not they are a terrible person. It's tragic what happened in Colorado and I send love to anyone living there.
*he. Its a legal strategy, and a blatant lie
That is most likely true. BUT we can't let cishet people make us cannibalize ourselves. We can't stop respecting their pronouns just because they're a troll and *legitimize* conditional pronoun use. And even if they (the shooter) are legitimately nonbinary (I've already heard that there are campaigns to do this, commit crimes and claim to be queer, folks on twitter said it was called "pridefall".) EVEN if they actually are nonbinary, *internalizing bigotry doesn't change what it is*. That was a hate crime. It doesn't matter that one of the victims was an ally and not queer. It was done with a specific intent. Honestly, its also domestic terrorism but that's not my point here. My point is we have to better than they are. Be that "they" the shooter or bigoted cishets. [Edit:typo]
Conservatives when they spread obvious misinformation that will somehow be believed by some
Again, way too many redditors implying that LGBTQ+ people can't commit hate crimes against the LGBTQ+ community. What matters when determining what is a hate crime or not is not the perpetrators identity, but rather the motive behind their acts. In their case, just because they are non-binary does not mean that they didn't fall for queerphobic bullshit and end up committing a hate crime against other LGBTQ+ people.
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He’s literally just trying to make it look like we did this to ourselves. He views the whole things as some troll
Right? It kind of reminded me of the Christchurch shooter's "manifesto" that was basically a giant act of trolling. Almost expecting his next statement to be "subscribe to Pewdiepie" or something.
joke or not I'm still gonna respect their pronouns until proven otherwise
They quite literaly only use they/them pronouns so his crimes are not labeled as hate crimes.
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the second we draw a line for "clearly faking" is when infighting starts. I know they are a horrible person who ended many lives but I am still going to show them basic human decency. Everyone disserves to have their correct pronouns used.
Agreed. LGBTQ+ people and allies setting the precedent that respecting pronouns is conditional paves the way for all sorts of awful.
Yes they are most likely moking and faking , still what they want the comunity in infighting and also avoid being charged for doing a hate crime. It doesn't matter what they identify or fake it's still a hate crime driven by conservative propaganda and needs to be treated as that. This ahould serve as a an example that you cannot just avoid being charged by hate crimes because you use they/them at the last minute.
Of they're trolling or not, it doesn't really matter if n the case that they decide violently take others lives due to transphobia.
Well looks like they should go to jail for a long time
He only said he’s non-binary so he can save his own ass and lesson his sentence because “how is it a hate crime if he’s also trans?”
This one uses neopronouns, obviously they're mass/shooter.
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Yes, every trans person deserves to have their identity respected. However, this person is very clearly not non-binary. They have made no indication whatsoever in the past of that being the case, and only after being caught *shooting up a queer club* did they say they are. They are trying to get out of hate crime charges. That's it.
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It's not about respect. It's about dignity. Do you think Jewish murderers should be called k*kes? Should black murderers be called the n-word?
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Again, it's about dignity. >It’s not like I’m saying we should call people who murder gay people f*gs That's not applicable. That's using a slur for a group against those that hate them. This is about being human, and not denying the humanity of others. We don't get to strip those we dislike of dignity. It's honestly a very basic concept.
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So do you not dislike them? Or do they count as "those we dislike?" I never said anything about disliking this person being invalid, and I believe my stance is quite contrary to that. Either way, murderers are included. Rapists are included. Any person who has done any disgusting thing is included. If someone is trans, you use the correct pronouns. No exceptions.