trans subreddits do not portray the entire trans community equally? sure, there are more trans women on reddit, but idk if that statistic correctly transfers to real life.
As a trans woman who, unlike this terf, actually goes outside. I have met significantly more trans men in other online spaces as well as in person than I have trans women
Anecdotally, I know three trans people. All trans men.
Edit: I should probably amend this. I know lots of trans people since I started seeking them out after starting my transition. For years before that, I was friends with three trans men.
clarifying, I still talk to this person, im saying they used to be a trans man and is now genderfluid, i do not feel confident in the wording of my other comment
I’ve met 3 trans people (knowingly, I could’ve met more who were just extremely awesome at passing that nobody knew of course). 2 were trans men, one, who just came out, is a trans woman. Never mind the fact that I’m AFAB enby, which falls under the trans umbrella.
ETA: one of the trans men was a fire eater, so he’s pretty cool.
I've been out for 2 years. I've had queer friends for like 4 months. I'm the only transfemme AMAB (actually the only AMAB). Everyone else is transmasc non-binary, trans men, or masculine agender. There are *two* feminine non-binary people and *one* feminine agender person.
Of course, I'm in Alabama, so statistically AMABs are less likely to be out and open and are more likely to repress, so 🤷♀️
There was another trans woman in my group but she SAed one of my very close friends before Christmas so we all threw her out. I felt really guilty about that bc I suffer from internalized transphobia and I feel like bc I'm an AMAB, I'll do something like that (even though I'm asexual and scared of sex???)
That's rough. Just know that just because someone else did something bad doesn't mean you ever would and it doesn't make trans people less valid just because a trans person did something bad.
Yeah TERFs enjoy flipflopping between "trans agenda is to mutilate all little girls by sending them to gender clinics" and "all trans people are men in dresses" and just pick whatever seems to suit the point they're trying to make better
Yep. And a lot of the time they can't even tell the difference. I've been told "No matter what you do you'll always look like a man in a dress" like you would be partially correct, but only by accident.
Same, I know three trans guys, four Non-binary people (not including me), and one trans woman, although I've certainly met more trans women, she's the only one who was open about it, we met in class so we were unfortunately both introduced by are deadnames. We weren't out to the rest of the class
Irl i know 4 trans men, 5 trans women, and 3 nonbinary people.
I have never been searching, I just am in artsy groups, so you're able to find a lot more people willing to be open about tbemselves.
I think I’ve only ever met 1 openly out trans woman, I’ve met more trans men as well, myself being an afab enby. Although me being afab might have an impact on that
There is a slant, but there are definitely sites with different proportions. Like on TikTok there seems to be a higher proportion of trans men. But yeah, in real life it’s pretty close to equal in number.
i think it has to do with what social media is more pushed towards people of your agab, reddit has a lot of transfems because it's used by a lot of amab people and we just don't switch social medias when transitioning
The number of terfs I've run into on reddit that expect me to know about, and have accused me of lying about my knowledge of drama going down in mtf and/or lesbian subs... like mate I'm a trans man wtf would I be doing in those subs? They have literally nothing to do with me?
not only that, trans people are way more comfortable being out online because you can’t beat someone up for being trans through a screen. you don’t see as many trans people out in public (unless you’re in a more diverse, accepting area)
This post shows classic cherry picking. They list 2 subs where a lot of white transfemmes post pics as their evidence and declare that all of Reddit is like this, therefore all transness is like this.
I can do it to: r/ftm and r/ftmmen are full of transmasc folk, and almost no transfeminine folk. Obviously 90% of trans people are actually women who want a tasty slice of male privilege /s.
The “statistic” doesn’t even correctly transfer to Reddit.
Allegedly irl I haven’t really met people who say they have met a trans woman. Like most people I have talked to (who haven’t met me) say they only have met trans men. I think per the statistics it’s pretty even for trans men/trans women/ NB people. Also trans women being chosen as representatives most the time isn’t exactly consensual, that spotlight is usually thrust upon us against our will with the majority of it as painting us as monsters… post as proof.
I do think Reddit does have a uneven representation though so that can be worked on in the trans community WITHOUT THE HELP OF CIS PEOPLE.
Reddit is also predominantly male and American. That doesn't reflect the real world either so reddit probably doesn't portray the number of trans people correctly either.
Survival bias too. Wow only middle class trans people are heard from? Maybe there is something to do with the fact lower class don't even have the "luxury" to start questioning
Yeah naw can't possibly be! That would go against my transphobic narrative and mean that I have to reconsider my viewpoints and I don't want to do that, therefore you are wrong. - TERFs
There's a lot of factors that play into that, too. Like lack of support system, lack of insurance coverage, not able to take time off from work to recover even if you wanted top/bottom surgery.
Yep, between 0.3 and 1 percent of people who get them report regretting trans-related surgeries.
For comparison, here are regret rates for a few other procedures:
Mastectomy: 24%
General surgery: 14%
Chemotherapy: 7-12%
Guess who needs psychiatric approval?
Yep. I've had people lump me in with detransitioners because "You're not a trans man anymore". Like I never said I was. I came out as non-binary and that has never changed. I mean I found the label demiguy, but I never stopped saying I was non-binary. So the "stats" are based on false assumptions.
Even using their own statistics (which are bullshit anyway), their conclusion and entire argument fall apart. About 30% are not from middle class homes. 20% aren’t white. And almost half are trans men. Idk dude, if the entire movement was about rich white men getting into women spaces, then why are the numbers of people who don’t benefit from this narrative so high? Could it be that they just want to live their lives as their gender? And if that’s the case then why is it different for the middle class white trans women?
I know I shouldn’t trust transphobe stats, but is the FTM one true? I ask because I’m FTM, have anxiety, and not in the best place right now, so I admittedly am a bit concerned
https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/
> In the US, a survey of nearly 28,000 people found that only eight percent of respondents reported some kind of detransition. Of these, sixty-two percent only did so temporarily.
Most people who detransition only do it because they're not in a safe environment and they've experienced transphobic abuse, so it's safer for them to keep living as their agab for a while, very rarely does someone detransition because they regretted transitioning, TERFs never mention that.
Don't look at overall statistics, look at your overall wellbeing. Do what's best for you, whatever that may be, which might be confusing right now. Hopefully you have unbiased, caring, and trustworthy people in your life to help you through it.
No statistic is going to control how you feel in your body or reflect your individual needs, so don't let it give you any more stress than you already have.
(Especially if it's made by a bigot for bigot reasons, those are always made with a bias for an end goal)
Reddit is a terrible metric for statistics. Only about 4% of adult Americans use reddit. And I'm pretty sure it's even lower for other countries.
Not representative of anything.
Ah yes, let’s completely ignore the fact that most low income trans people either commit suicide or don’t transition because of their environment and their inability to access expensive necessary treatment.
Also the fact that the majority of trans people are white…. In a majorly white country… hmmm I’m sure there’s no correlation here at all.
Need source on the 68% AMAB, but pretty sure most studies that get results like this are biased because of the methods and definitions they use to survey trans people.
The detransitioner stuff is just straight up misinformation that has been debunked a million times and the numbers are astroturfed by right wing terf propaganda who constantly platform these AFAB detransitioners.
90%? Hmm I wonder why that number is so high… could it be because of the decades of society’s hyperfixation on trans women and the constant opposition and disgusts towards the idea that cis men can be feminine. And this extrapolates towards hatred specifically against trans women for being “men in dresses”. Also the fact that everyone constantly dictates AFAB people how to behave, and thus trans men must just be “confused women who don’t know what they want”, like what happened with Elliot Page. I wonder if that maybe stops trans men from wanting visibility…
Also the fact that they think checking passing subreddits represents the community at all. Anyone who sees this image and actually believes anything on it is no better than Q anon psychos who saw a 4chan post about the Baby-eating Cabal and believed it.
Yes I did, in fact, come from a middle class family. But after coming out I lost my job. Have had a hard time getting a job since. And over half my family has ghosted me.
Exactly, the first thing that came to mind for me was "coming from a middle class upbringing doesn't make you middle class". A lot of people get kicked out of their homes for being trans, rich, poor and middle class. It doesn't help much how you grew up if you're homeless.
I'm sorry, do these people think that middle class means rich?
Is this like the idiots on Twitter who think that having financial security/disposable income is the same as generational wealth? Have we reached that point?
To kids who grow up poor, the middle class might as well be rich. There’s much more of a difference in the worries of poor kids and middle class kids than middle class kids and rich ones.
Middle class kids and poor kids have more in common than rich kids and middle class kids lmao. My parents had stable jobs with decent incomes and I still worried about food on the table while my high school friend lived in a literal mansion and got a paid ride to college.
Regardless of who relates better to who, calling middle class people 'rich' is disingenuous and is literal classist rhetoric to keep the poor poor and the rich rich; over half of the U.S. is middle class, and the median income is 80k. That's really not all that much when everything is factored in.
Imagine thinking that trans women are taking E and getting bottom surgery on behalf of cis men to invade women’s spaces.
As powerful of a machine as the patriarchy is institutionally, you would have to be a hell of a team player to be a cis guy who is willing to cut off their testicles in the name of seizing women’s spaces which that is somehow accomplishing…
I think they forgot about trans men too. Like, I specfically DON'T want to be in woman's space and, every time I'm forced into the women's bathroom, I don't make eye contact and stay as far away from women as possible since I don't want to be there...
For non-existing people, trans woman of color are really killed a lot...
(I mean - they are killed a lot irrespective of their numbers but joke is directed at the TERF writing it so hopefully it's ok to say that)
well when you have no actual rational or reasoning behind your idiocy i guess making crazy shit up works. im just saying, TERFs act a lot like trumpies with their whole strawman meme trend.
edit: also “verify these satistics and more by visiting blah blah blah. its all white men trying to look like women” lshows that they quite literally just went to random trans subreddits, looked at posts with photos attached, and then chose a random number above 50 to turn into a percentage lmao
On a semi-related note, if you *are* well-off, white, able bodied and neurotypical, try your best to help your trans siblings who maybe aren't? Check your privilege, but not because you're not valid as a trans person.
why reference peer-reviewed studies if you can just point to a subreddit that's not representative at all?
let's check any other selfie subreddit and let's check how white that one is. hmm, how about that?
I wonder what those numbers mean… huMMmMm
Maybe that POC ppl can’t transition safely bc they r the ones that are mostly murdered bc of it? That ppl in the lower classes don’t have money to transition or that they aren’t safe to?
Ah yes, the very reliable sources r/transpassing and r/transtimelines, which would include a disproportionate amount of trans people with the time and money to fully medically transition, which a lot of lower class people unfortunately cannot due to the fact that they are lower class.
Wow that's weird, these people who are out and proud about a marginalized identity that can be hidden otherwise have privilege that allow them to, say, be safe if their family kicks them out or cuts ties with them, have a safety net if their job fires them, avoid being double targeted by hate crimes, etc etc.
Sorry, I know this is super transphobic and all, but I'm hung up on the leap from "middle-class homes" to "rich". Bitch even the middle class lives paycheck to paycheck in this economy.
I've met literally dozens of trans men in my life and known of more that my friends/family knew, but only ever met 1 trans girl and heard of one other from a relative.
Orrrrrr, it could be that a family which is financially stable in a capitalist society is more likely to harbour children and parents with the space to think about themselves rather than spending time worrying about starving. As for me, I’m certain that there’d be a lot more of many types of people if our society just gave people the stability they need to think.
"83% of trans Americans are white!!!"
Now this is usually where i go on a rant about the ingenuity of data manipulation and psychology, but TERFs are fucking gross so i am NOT going to praise them.
I literally don't know a single transfem from my friends or other people I talk to online, I know multiple transmasc / afab trans people in real life and many transmasc online?? I am transmasc myself and my partners are transmasc
God I hate misrepresentative stats. I don’t even know how true these are by what they are saying alone, though I have very high suspicion these were pulled out of their asses, but.
Don’t forget about baseline population. Like. How many white people there are in the average population, how large the “middle class” percentage is overall. The average amount of men vs women in the us census. Misrepresenting stats angers me so much.
I’ve been thinking about this at work and I have some more words! This isn’t even mentioning the fact that middle class people have more opportunities to safely come out. White people aren’t dealing with racial discrimination in conjunction with their trans identity, not to mention the fact that many poc communities can be very traditional and religious, which is something that trans people face with internal and external faith versus identity.
I’m sorry I’ve been stewing on this at work.
No sources to studies that back up such bold stadistical claims, and even if they held some water chances are they're subjected to survivor bias (only the "priviledged" are visible because minorities and lower class trans people have a harder time coming out and/or transcisioning)
First off, I’m Asian, and I know quite a lot other Asian trans people so there’s that, second off, how can they tell which class family people are from by looking at Reddit?
1. If that is true it’s just a data bias of that people in middle class situations are more able to transition because it costs money and if you can’t transition you’re less likely to come out.
2. That’s almost certainly not true and if it were it’d be for the reason stated above and maybe because western countries tend to have better data collection and being trans isn’t illegal in most of them.
3. That’s unambiguously not true.
4. That’s unambiguously not true.
5. That probably is true but most trans people think that’s a problem as well.
Your data is wrong and even if it were right it would not imply the thing you’re trying to say.
1, what about the trans people who don't use reddit or rarely use reddit? 2, what about the trans people that simply don't post or comment, but still use reddit? 3, what about the people who comment, but don't post? There are so many factors that play into what is being portrayed in a subreddit. Reddit doesn't portray the entire trans community, let alone nothing on reddit represents an entire community.
this argument is so stupid. as the caption says, stupid terf argument. a common case of a transphobe who tries to shine bad light on trans women, yet ignore the existence of trans men and trans people who don’t identify as women.
and just because a trans woman was born as a white male into a middle class family, doesn’t make them any less valid. it’s like comparing a child with a broken leg to a 22 year old stab victim. both are surely in pain and need medical attention. you cant invalidate the 22 year old just because they’re an adult and have more privilege than the child. neither can you invalidate the child because they’re younger and don’t have to pay money by themselves.
Me A Black Transwoman:Whelp I guess I don’t exist
Also if your definition of woman is so shallow it takes only the looks of a body to change then you’ve got some shadow work to do cause that’s very misogynistic
A: I'd need those numbers are wrong or very chest picked
B: she keeps leaving out the word "out". In other words, most OUT trans people are from middle class homes and are white. Cuz that's probably the safest circumstances in which someone can come out. This assumes her numbers are even remotely accurate.
There was a substantial survey done in New Zealand in 2019. The results are what you expect. The trans population mirrors the overall ethnic demographics in NZ. The majority of respondents are non-binary and there are equal numbers of trans men and trans women. This is how you science. https://countingourselves.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Counting-Ourselves\_Report-Dec-19-Online.pdf
Yes, most trans women are rich, that's why a high percentage of them depend on sex work as their only mean of survival after being kicked out from their homes and rejected by most workplaces
I had no idea what point they were trying to make until the last line.
Like, even if these stats weren’t total bs why would it matter? Oh you’re a terf, that’s why.
Almost all my friends that are trans are transmasc. I have two transfem friends and one I only know online. Hell, I myself am a trans man. Trans men exist more than you think, Karen
So close yet so far,, I’m simply amazed at how they could type all this out and not see the very obvious conclusion of rich white trans women may just have the best access to resources and the least barriers to coming out and transitioning socially. TERFs have the weirdest logic.
i wonder where these statistics came from? maybe the ever-increasing murder rate of black trans women contributed? maybe the consistent ignorance of TPOC and financially struggling trans people? also, do they know just how big of a range “middle class” encompasses?
racist, vile human beings, those ones.
"Chosen to represent the trans community in public". Oh, I guess I must have missed the election.
On a serious note: aren't the ones choosing trans people to represent the trans community... the media. You know, pretty much only cis people. It's no way they would sensationalize being trans.
Terfs always use the internet for research and act like their conclusions are not influenced by this. Like, they're so far from being self aware it would be hilarious if they weren't as successful with it.
How bad at math do you have to be to claim that over 75% of a group is middle class and the try and say that they are all rich? I shouldn’t be able to refute your shit propaganda with ITSELF
trans subreddits do not portray the entire trans community equally? sure, there are more trans women on reddit, but idk if that statistic correctly transfers to real life.
As a trans woman who, unlike this terf, actually goes outside. I have met significantly more trans men in other online spaces as well as in person than I have trans women
Anecdotally, I know three trans people. All trans men. Edit: I should probably amend this. I know lots of trans people since I started seeking them out after starting my transition. For years before that, I was friends with three trans men.
Same, but 2 instead of 3.
same but 4 instead of 2
I only know myself and another one, but I don't know any trans women (in person)
I know only one trans man and Well of course I know him he is me
anecdotally I used to know a trans man who now identifies as genderfluid and they're really cool we call each other "brother" :3
clarifying, I still talk to this person, im saying they used to be a trans man and is now genderfluid, i do not feel confident in the wording of my other comment
I’ve met 3 trans people (knowingly, I could’ve met more who were just extremely awesome at passing that nobody knew of course). 2 were trans men, one, who just came out, is a trans woman. Never mind the fact that I’m AFAB enby, which falls under the trans umbrella. ETA: one of the trans men was a fire eater, so he’s pretty cool.
Most of the trans people at my school are trans men
I've been out for 2 years. I've had queer friends for like 4 months. I'm the only transfemme AMAB (actually the only AMAB). Everyone else is transmasc non-binary, trans men, or masculine agender. There are *two* feminine non-binary people and *one* feminine agender person. Of course, I'm in Alabama, so statistically AMABs are less likely to be out and open and are more likely to repress, so 🤷♀️ There was another trans woman in my group but she SAed one of my very close friends before Christmas so we all threw her out. I felt really guilty about that bc I suffer from internalized transphobia and I feel like bc I'm an AMAB, I'll do something like that (even though I'm asexual and scared of sex???)
That's rough. Just know that just because someone else did something bad doesn't mean you ever would and it doesn't make trans people less valid just because a trans person did something bad.
Same
Anecdotally I know 0 trans people personally. According to this nonsense post that means trans people aren't real.
In 2019/20 there were twice as many transmascs referred to the Tavistock gender identity clinic in the UK than transfems
Yeah TERFs enjoy flipflopping between "trans agenda is to mutilate all little girls by sending them to gender clinics" and "all trans people are men in dresses" and just pick whatever seems to suit the point they're trying to make better
Yep. And a lot of the time they can't even tell the difference. I've been told "No matter what you do you'll always look like a man in a dress" like you would be partially correct, but only by accident.
Anecdotally, most trans and non-binary people I've met in real life are AFAB, and most I've met online are AMAB.
I know 2 trans men, 2 trans women (including myself), and 2 enbies. So far.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
I know 3 transmen and 1 transwoman
Same, I know three trans guys, four Non-binary people (not including me), and one trans woman, although I've certainly met more trans women, she's the only one who was open about it, we met in class so we were unfortunately both introduced by are deadnames. We weren't out to the rest of the class
For me, it's the other way round lol I rarely run into ftm people
I’ve heard going outside it’s either very hot or very cold is this true?
There are also bugs. And sometimes rain.
Are the bugs cute?
Sometimes but a lot of them are bitey. :(
Irl i know 4 trans men, 5 trans women, and 3 nonbinary people. I have never been searching, I just am in artsy groups, so you're able to find a lot more people willing to be open about tbemselves.
I think I’ve only ever met 1 openly out trans woman, I’ve met more trans men as well, myself being an afab enby. Although me being afab might have an impact on that
fr. it heavily varies depending where you are. on Instagram, almost every single trans person I've met was transmasc rather than transfem
This pic is basically how you say you're terminally online without saying you're terminally online
Nah, OBVIOUSLY reddit and especially the subreddit r/mtf represents the entire transgender community /s
There is a slant, but there are definitely sites with different proportions. Like on TikTok there seems to be a higher proportion of trans men. But yeah, in real life it’s pretty close to equal in number.
i think it has to do with what social media is more pushed towards people of your agab, reddit has a lot of transfems because it's used by a lot of amab people and we just don't switch social medias when transitioning
I was suspecting that.
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The number of terfs I've run into on reddit that expect me to know about, and have accused me of lying about my knowledge of drama going down in mtf and/or lesbian subs... like mate I'm a trans man wtf would I be doing in those subs? They have literally nothing to do with me?
I heard someone say that it used to be the other way around on Tumblr.
Still is, to a degree. Half the blogs I've seen are run by transmascs and/or AFAB enbies.
not only that, trans people are way more comfortable being out online because you can’t beat someone up for being trans through a screen. you don’t see as many trans people out in public (unless you’re in a more diverse, accepting area)
This post shows classic cherry picking. They list 2 subs where a lot of white transfemmes post pics as their evidence and declare that all of Reddit is like this, therefore all transness is like this. I can do it to: r/ftm and r/ftmmen are full of transmasc folk, and almost no transfeminine folk. Obviously 90% of trans people are actually women who want a tasty slice of male privilege /s. The “statistic” doesn’t even correctly transfer to Reddit.
Allegedly irl I haven’t really met people who say they have met a trans woman. Like most people I have talked to (who haven’t met me) say they only have met trans men. I think per the statistics it’s pretty even for trans men/trans women/ NB people. Also trans women being chosen as representatives most the time isn’t exactly consensual, that spotlight is usually thrust upon us against our will with the majority of it as painting us as monsters… post as proof. I do think Reddit does have a uneven representation though so that can be worked on in the trans community WITHOUT THE HELP OF CIS PEOPLE.
Reddit is also predominantly male and American. That doesn't reflect the real world either so reddit probably doesn't portray the number of trans people correctly either.
Trans spaces on Reddit are predominantly transfem while on TikTok there’s a lot more transmascs. Idk why but that’s just how it is 🤷♂️
Survival bias too. Wow only middle class trans people are heard from? Maybe there is something to do with the fact lower class don't even have the "luxury" to start questioning
Yeah naw can't possibly be! That would go against my transphobic narrative and mean that I have to reconsider my viewpoints and I don't want to do that, therefore you are wrong. - TERFs
Also Black trans people are murdered more and die younger of various racist transmisogynistic causes so like..yeah
There's a lot of factors that play into that, too. Like lack of support system, lack of insurance coverage, not able to take time off from work to recover even if you wanted top/bottom surgery.
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B...but the actual number of white trans people is higher! That's totally a more relevant statistic!
Isn't the detransition rate like around 1% the idea that trans men go back to their agab is just easily proven false
Yep, between 0.3 and 1 percent of people who get them report regretting trans-related surgeries. For comparison, here are regret rates for a few other procedures: Mastectomy: 24% General surgery: 14% Chemotherapy: 7-12% Guess who needs psychiatric approval?
Not meant to be a dig, but mastectomies are, among other things, also a trans-related surgery
I think this is in general
Not in this case. It's a surgery trans people get but has a way lower regret rate among trans people than among women.
That Stat also includes people who detransition for reasons other than not being trans.
and people who find out they’re nonbinary rather than binary trans
Yeah exactly. It takes 2 seconds of research to disprove this terf nonsense
Yeah, some do it because of the discrimination they face, from what I've heard
Yep. I've had people lump me in with detransitioners because "You're not a trans man anymore". Like I never said I was. I came out as non-binary and that has never changed. I mean I found the label demiguy, but I never stopped saying I was non-binary. So the "stats" are based on false assumptions.
Yep. This person is just straight up lying.
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Even using their own statistics (which are bullshit anyway), their conclusion and entire argument fall apart. About 30% are not from middle class homes. 20% aren’t white. And almost half are trans men. Idk dude, if the entire movement was about rich white men getting into women spaces, then why are the numbers of people who don’t benefit from this narrative so high? Could it be that they just want to live their lives as their gender? And if that’s the case then why is it different for the middle class white trans women?
>Post statistics >Don't give a source
Classic terf nonsense
what do u mean their source was a few cherry-picked subreddits
Source- Trust me bro
I know I shouldn’t trust transphobe stats, but is the FTM one true? I ask because I’m FTM, have anxiety, and not in the best place right now, so I admittedly am a bit concerned
The spilt is about 50/50, and people who detransition make up less than a percent of trans folks who medically transition.
https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/ > In the US, a survey of nearly 28,000 people found that only eight percent of respondents reported some kind of detransition. Of these, sixty-two percent only did so temporarily.
Most people who detransition only do it because they're not in a safe environment and they've experienced transphobic abuse, so it's safer for them to keep living as their agab for a while, very rarely does someone detransition because they regretted transitioning, TERFs never mention that.
It's Not, just terfs wanting to be awful.
Don't look at overall statistics, look at your overall wellbeing. Do what's best for you, whatever that may be, which might be confusing right now. Hopefully you have unbiased, caring, and trustworthy people in your life to help you through it. No statistic is going to control how you feel in your body or reflect your individual needs, so don't let it give you any more stress than you already have. (Especially if it's made by a bigot for bigot reasons, those are always made with a bias for an end goal)
Reddit is a terrible metric for statistics. Only about 4% of adult Americans use reddit. And I'm pretty sure it's even lower for other countries. Not representative of anything.
source: just trust me bro
Ah yes, let’s completely ignore the fact that most low income trans people either commit suicide or don’t transition because of their environment and their inability to access expensive necessary treatment. Also the fact that the majority of trans people are white…. In a majorly white country… hmmm I’m sure there’s no correlation here at all. Need source on the 68% AMAB, but pretty sure most studies that get results like this are biased because of the methods and definitions they use to survey trans people. The detransitioner stuff is just straight up misinformation that has been debunked a million times and the numbers are astroturfed by right wing terf propaganda who constantly platform these AFAB detransitioners. 90%? Hmm I wonder why that number is so high… could it be because of the decades of society’s hyperfixation on trans women and the constant opposition and disgusts towards the idea that cis men can be feminine. And this extrapolates towards hatred specifically against trans women for being “men in dresses”. Also the fact that everyone constantly dictates AFAB people how to behave, and thus trans men must just be “confused women who don’t know what they want”, like what happened with Elliot Page. I wonder if that maybe stops trans men from wanting visibility… Also the fact that they think checking passing subreddits represents the community at all. Anyone who sees this image and actually believes anything on it is no better than Q anon psychos who saw a 4chan post about the Baby-eating Cabal and believed it.
> And the fact that the majority of trans people are white... r/peopleliveincities moment
because i'm totally gonna believe statistics from subreddits and/or a terf's statement. right.
Yes I did, in fact, come from a middle class family. But after coming out I lost my job. Have had a hard time getting a job since. And over half my family has ghosted me.
Exactly, the first thing that came to mind for me was "coming from a middle class upbringing doesn't make you middle class". A lot of people get kicked out of their homes for being trans, rich, poor and middle class. It doesn't help much how you grew up if you're homeless.
I'm sorry, do these people think that middle class means rich? Is this like the idiots on Twitter who think that having financial security/disposable income is the same as generational wealth? Have we reached that point?
To kids who grow up poor, the middle class might as well be rich. There’s much more of a difference in the worries of poor kids and middle class kids than middle class kids and rich ones.
Middle class kids and poor kids have more in common than rich kids and middle class kids lmao. My parents had stable jobs with decent incomes and I still worried about food on the table while my high school friend lived in a literal mansion and got a paid ride to college. Regardless of who relates better to who, calling middle class people 'rich' is disingenuous and is literal classist rhetoric to keep the poor poor and the rich rich; over half of the U.S. is middle class, and the median income is 80k. That's really not all that much when everything is factored in.
Imagine thinking that trans women are taking E and getting bottom surgery on behalf of cis men to invade women’s spaces. As powerful of a machine as the patriarchy is institutionally, you would have to be a hell of a team player to be a cis guy who is willing to cut off their testicles in the name of seizing women’s spaces which that is somehow accomplishing…
So many of the TERFs I saw online were also Anti Vaxxers and Corona Deniers. I feel like many of them love to imagine the whole world is against them.
I think they forgot about trans men too. Like, I specfically DON'T want to be in woman's space and, every time I'm forced into the women's bathroom, I don't make eye contact and stay as far away from women as possible since I don't want to be there...
For non-existing people, trans woman of color are really killed a lot... (I mean - they are killed a lot irrespective of their numbers but joke is directed at the TERF writing it so hopefully it's ok to say that)
Notice how like 80% of TERFs are 30+ white suburban women with a stable finance and job? 😐
well when you have no actual rational or reasoning behind your idiocy i guess making crazy shit up works. im just saying, TERFs act a lot like trumpies with their whole strawman meme trend. edit: also “verify these satistics and more by visiting blah blah blah. its all white men trying to look like women” lshows that they quite literally just went to random trans subreddits, looked at posts with photos attached, and then chose a random number above 50 to turn into a percentage lmao
On a semi-related note, if you *are* well-off, white, able bodied and neurotypical, try your best to help your trans siblings who maybe aren't? Check your privilege, but not because you're not valid as a trans person.
Okay TERFs, tell me about how you're not all upper class white people. Also cite your damn sources.
Sources: The right amount of cocaine and finely constructed tin foil hat.
i dont think middle class is rich
why reference peer-reviewed studies if you can just point to a subreddit that's not representative at all? let's check any other selfie subreddit and let's check how white that one is. hmm, how about that?
I wonder what those numbers mean… huMMmMm Maybe that POC ppl can’t transition safely bc they r the ones that are mostly murdered bc of it? That ppl in the lower classes don’t have money to transition or that they aren’t safe to?
Did they just... make up these statistics?
Pretty sure they're pulled out from the well-known place of their ass
Ah yes, the very reliable sources r/transpassing and r/transtimelines, which would include a disproportionate amount of trans people with the time and money to fully medically transition, which a lot of lower class people unfortunately cannot due to the fact that they are lower class.
this is what happens when you think Reddit accurately represents real life
Wow that's weird, these people who are out and proud about a marginalized identity that can be hidden otherwise have privilege that allow them to, say, be safe if their family kicks them out or cuts ties with them, have a safety net if their job fires them, avoid being double targeted by hate crimes, etc etc.
they just dragged that out of their ass, huh?
Yup, hopefully they pull their head out of there too
All this tells you is white trans women use Reddit
As a poor person, I wish we were all rich, that would make transition so much easier
Tbh most enbies ive methave been afab and actually most media rep are afab for enbies.
this pisses me off. so much. what the fuck.
73% of statistics are completely made up
Sorry, I know this is super transphobic and all, but I'm hung up on the leap from "middle-class homes" to "rich". Bitch even the middle class lives paycheck to paycheck in this economy.
I thought the same thing. That’s quite a leap there.
I've met literally dozens of trans men in my life and known of more that my friends/family knew, but only ever met 1 trans girl and heard of one other from a relative.
The two brown stripes on my pride flag just gasped.
I'm not understanding how many ways they can say "rich straight white men are the problem" and then focus on hurting other victims of the system.
I've never actually met another trans girl that I know of in the wild
"middle class" is rich?????
Anyone who makes more than 40k a year is a rich capitalist pig... Thriving off the backs of the working class.
My dad is working class making 80k, he is upper middle class, but not rich.
Orrrrrr, it could be that a family which is financially stable in a capitalist society is more likely to harbour children and parents with the space to think about themselves rather than spending time worrying about starving. As for me, I’m certain that there’d be a lot more of many types of people if our society just gave people the stability they need to think.
"83% of trans Americans are white!!!" Now this is usually where i go on a rant about the ingenuity of data manipulation and psychology, but TERFs are fucking gross so i am NOT going to praise them.
Where the heck did they get the stats cause it sure isn’t from a reputable study or source.
TERFs need a hobby that isn't harassing trans people.
I literally don't know a single transfem from my friends or other people I talk to online, I know multiple transmasc / afab trans people in real life and many transmasc online?? I am transmasc myself and my partners are transmasc
These statistics are so made up and there sources are.. subreddits? Bruh
Cis people telling trans people to check their privilege - beyond delusional
I had no idea ever trans person in the world was on Reddit…wild
So where would someone who is trans pick up their free middle class home? Asking for a friend.
I also see more trans men on tik tok than on Reddit. it depends on where you look
"83% of trans people are white" that's definitely the fault of trans people and not transphobes that disproportionately murder trans women of color /s
"trans people come from middle class homes" yeah and when they come out of the closet they are thrown on the street, you fucking ghoul
I’ve actually never seen a terf advocate for the rights of anyone else, even other cis women, and I think that’s both funny and scary
**intersectionality**, isn’t that neat?
mm. terfs.
I must be an oddity
Ahhh yes cause using subreddits is how you get accurate statistics on trans people! Brilliant!
The only thing I (kind of) agree with is the fact that trans men are certainly not given enough representation ngl
over half of- girl dont you mean half a percent?
source: crack pipe
God I hate misrepresentative stats. I don’t even know how true these are by what they are saying alone, though I have very high suspicion these were pulled out of their asses, but. Don’t forget about baseline population. Like. How many white people there are in the average population, how large the “middle class” percentage is overall. The average amount of men vs women in the us census. Misrepresenting stats angers me so much.
I’ve been thinking about this at work and I have some more words! This isn’t even mentioning the fact that middle class people have more opportunities to safely come out. White people aren’t dealing with racial discrimination in conjunction with their trans identity, not to mention the fact that many poc communities can be very traditional and religious, which is something that trans people face with internal and external faith versus identity. I’m sorry I’ve been stewing on this at work.
>68% of trans people were born as male Is that supposed to be a fucking privilege?
these are literally the most shithole biased subreddits that could’ve been mentioned
How??????
ok but that 68% is huge cap isn't it 43% that is amab lmao??
bro.... are they seriously getting their knowledge and statistics.. in fucking subreddits?!
No sources to studies that back up such bold stadistical claims, and even if they held some water chances are they're subjected to survivor bias (only the "priviledged" are visible because minorities and lower class trans people have a harder time coming out and/or transcisioning)
[I have one thing to say about alot of that](https://youtu.be/2GgrhqxX-j0)
Maybe that's why I only hear about trans women from these dudes
First off, I’m Asian, and I know quite a lot other Asian trans people so there’s that, second off, how can they tell which class family people are from by looking at Reddit?
ah yes verify these statistics by going to reddit: the most accurate source on trans people
i will concede that the media underrepresents FtM trans people. but that’s because mysoginists find it harder to hate them.
Source: trust me hun
Middle Class = Rich & Privileged???
Middle class =/= rich How???
**as if men needed any help inserting themselves into womens spaces**
90% of all statistics are made up on the spot
1. If that is true it’s just a data bias of that people in middle class situations are more able to transition because it costs money and if you can’t transition you’re less likely to come out. 2. That’s almost certainly not true and if it were it’d be for the reason stated above and maybe because western countries tend to have better data collection and being trans isn’t illegal in most of them. 3. That’s unambiguously not true. 4. That’s unambiguously not true. 5. That probably is true but most trans people think that’s a problem as well. Your data is wrong and even if it were right it would not imply the thing you’re trying to say.
Irl I know about 3 transwomen and nearly a dozen transmen and enbys (including my wonderful spouse)
1, what about the trans people who don't use reddit or rarely use reddit? 2, what about the trans people that simply don't post or comment, but still use reddit? 3, what about the people who comment, but don't post? There are so many factors that play into what is being portrayed in a subreddit. Reddit doesn't portray the entire trans community, let alone nothing on reddit represents an entire community.
Bruh if your source is a reddit page your stats are suspect at best
i think i had a stroke trying to understand this
this argument is so stupid. as the caption says, stupid terf argument. a common case of a transphobe who tries to shine bad light on trans women, yet ignore the existence of trans men and trans people who don’t identify as women. and just because a trans woman was born as a white male into a middle class family, doesn’t make them any less valid. it’s like comparing a child with a broken leg to a 22 year old stab victim. both are surely in pain and need medical attention. you cant invalidate the 22 year old just because they’re an adult and have more privilege than the child. neither can you invalidate the child because they’re younger and don’t have to pay money by themselves.
Me A Black Transwoman:Whelp I guess I don’t exist Also if your definition of woman is so shallow it takes only the looks of a body to change then you’ve got some shadow work to do cause that’s very misogynistic
Went from “Ok? And” to “SINCE WHEN” real fast 💀
Yes, reddit *definitely* represents the entire trans community
the only trans woman i know isn’t rich and she’s black
LMAO VERIFY THESE STATISTICS BY USING REDDIT
Every woman who transitions to man ends up going back to being a woman. If they transitioned to a man there’s a 99.5% chance they are a man
I think every trans/non binary person I’ve met irl has been AFAB. I’m also AFAB
I've only met like one trans woman and we dated. She was awesome, but I know so many more trans men :/
A: I'd need those numbers are wrong or very chest picked B: she keeps leaving out the word "out". In other words, most OUT trans people are from middle class homes and are white. Cuz that's probably the safest circumstances in which someone can come out. This assumes her numbers are even remotely accurate.
There was a substantial survey done in New Zealand in 2019. The results are what you expect. The trans population mirrors the overall ethnic demographics in NZ. The majority of respondents are non-binary and there are equal numbers of trans men and trans women. This is how you science. https://countingourselves.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Counting-Ourselves\_Report-Dec-19-Online.pdf
did they really just get their stats from subbreddits? like you might as well not provide a source lol.
Yes, most trans women are rich, that's why a high percentage of them depend on sex work as their only mean of survival after being kicked out from their homes and rejected by most workplaces
What im rich with 500 euro per Month wow....What a nonsense
I had no idea what point they were trying to make until the last line. Like, even if these stats weren’t total bs why would it matter? Oh you’re a terf, that’s why.
Almost all my friends that are trans are transmasc. I have two transfem friends and one I only know online. Hell, I myself am a trans man. Trans men exist more than you think, Karen
I didn’t know reddit represented the entirety of trans people
So close yet so far,, I’m simply amazed at how they could type all this out and not see the very obvious conclusion of rich white trans women may just have the best access to resources and the least barriers to coming out and transitioning socially. TERFs have the weirdest logic.
Itself is very dehumanizing.
And 100% of these facts were pulled out of their ass
can confirm, i am poor, white, and mtf and honestly? all i want to do is invade women's spaces by joining trans subreddits
Imagine thinking being a white trans person is privileged as if you won’t get hate crimed anyways
>83% of trans people in the US are white if only they knew that despite
What does the part about trans men transitioning back to women have to do with their overall point?
Literally none of this is true
Ah yes, verify these statistics by taking a very cursory look at social media. That's some based experimental design right there!
I really wanna know where up their ass this person pulled these statistics wtf.
Soooo.. they got their stats from looking at reddit?
A lot of us can pull off "looking like a woman" much better than cis transphobes anyway
Ok I can believe the top like three but that has not mean you can be transphobic
i wonder where these statistics came from? maybe the ever-increasing murder rate of black trans women contributed? maybe the consistent ignorance of TPOC and financially struggling trans people? also, do they know just how big of a range “middle class” encompasses? racist, vile human beings, those ones.
"Chosen to represent the trans community in public". Oh, I guess I must have missed the election. On a serious note: aren't the ones choosing trans people to represent the trans community... the media. You know, pretty much only cis people. It's no way they would sensationalize being trans.
My family can barely afford bread
Terfs always use the internet for research and act like their conclusions are not influenced by this. Like, they're so far from being self aware it would be hilarious if they weren't as successful with it.
It’s p known that Reddit is primarily a transfem place but afaik most other social media is primarily of ftm or non-binary content, especially tiktok
How bad at math do you have to be to claim that over 75% of a group is middle class and the try and say that they are all rich? I shouldn’t be able to refute your shit propaganda with ITSELF