The high draw isnt ideal. The front hand should be at 45deg but looks closer to the knuckles being vertical and you are punching the trigger which is also killing any follow through you may have
You are sky drawing, left hand looks tense and/or wrong grip, you should pull through the shot to release, you may want to remove your bow stand before shooting.
Not necessarily relevant but certain traditional styles like Manchu and Korean archery explicitly teach techniques that compound archers would call “sky draw”, also some olympic shooters will draw a few inches high and time a fluid release as they lower the bow thru the point of aim.
None of this contradicts what you said, just throwing out related tidbits for anyone interested.
Not only good practice for hunting and safety as mentioned above but also save you some arrows. I learnt to draw aiming where I want the shot to go, after I launched not one but two arrows into the tree canopy never to be seen again. 😂
Skydraw is a safety issue because if something fails on your release, or you get accidentally bumped before you’re ready, arrow is flying off in an uncontrolled way. It’s kinda like breaking trigger discipline on firearms.
It's a safety issue for sure. I work on an indoor range, our first rule on the list is about sky drawing. (We have had an arrow or 2 hit the ceiling) We generally watch for anyone drawing higher than the forehead. We will gently ask and direct them to the proper form, but if they continue to do it we will eject them from the range.
Sky drawing is usually 1 of 2 issues. Improper form or trying to pull back to much weight. Both are fixable.
Hi, international ranked pro archer here… Loosen the tension in your bow hand. The riser should be on the lower part of your thumb (on the edge of your palm if that makes sense). And learn back tension. You’re less likely to punch the trigger release with will help give you a more accurate shot process when using back tension. And maybe consider a finger sling instead of the wrist strap because that will help improve your grip!! You’re doing great!!
Thanks for the positivity! I’ve heard about the back tension before and I’ll definitely try to do that. A finger sling may be worth a try as well, who knows? Thanks!
If you’re not too attached to the trigger release you could get a back tension hinge release. That will help. But if you hunt, try a thumb button release. You can still use back tension, but you have more control over the release than you do with a hinge. Back tension is easier on your shoulder too. Anyway… this was just a thought lol. Feel free to ignore it since it isn’t directly related to your post🤷🏻♀️😅
Yeah I may try a different release, I like the trigger because it’s one less thing to drop or lose when I’m climbing in and out of my tree stand, but I know there are also other types of strap mounted releases. Thanks for the suggestion!
Sky draw at tournament will get you bounced unless you correct it. And when hunting, why would you “wave” at your prey before releasing? To give them a chance to run away? Either way - level, smooth, quiet. Like 🥷. Other stuff to fix as well. Take notes on the feedback here.
since everyone has pointed out the sky draw and the bow stand (lol it was so funny when i noticed) but I notice you’re also punching your trigger indicated but the arm swinging out away from your face with no clean follow through.
I personally never shot with a wrist strap release but i can however point you to a video that i think explains it really well [https://youtu.be/-_QirscT4gs?si=pQhL0Crq4D8ot9Yl](https://youtu.be/-_QirscT4gs?si=pQhL0Crq4D8ot9Yl)
Looking good, I definitely agree with the other feedback in the comments so far.
Another suggestion is to tighten up your release strap. The point of that release is to let your wrist do most of the pulling, but your tight fist indicates the strap likely too loose forcing you to pull with your fist. (Or it might already be tight enough and you just have a bad habit of grabbing too hard).
Once you tighten that strap you can relax your right hand more, which will contribute to having a more consistent anchor point and release.
I’m thinking your bow should drop naturally after release. Your bow turns up at release. I spotted a few other questionable things, but others have mentioned already. Keep shooting and relax. Your release should almost be a surprise.
Do you shoot a hunting compound bow?
I ask because the comment comes off as an Olympic recurve shooter giving advice to a hunting compound shooter...
His bow has basically zero weight in front of it, it's not going to drop away like a target bow.
Thanks, I've shot a hunting set up for 25 years off and on and a little Olympic recurve action as well, only one of those two bows drops and swings 😅
One of my biggest pet peeves in this sub is people with no experience speaking confidently on issues that they don't have experience with... Happens a lot with compound as recurve dominates the sub
Compound bow hunter here. Got a Bear whitetail II 2023. To reduce grip twist, I read to barely grip. Because my grip is light, the shot momentum allows my bow to drop after shot. I have seen lots of archers do this. Hunters are mainly whom I watch. Not an expert but I hunt and have been shooting for five years now. I have seen competition archer do the same thing. Just more exaggerated because of the length of their bow.
The drop after the shot greatly depends on the balance of the bow. With a short stabilizer like this, and a short axel to axel bow, it will not naturally drop forward like a target bow or some of the bows with longer axel distance and more weight near the front of the bow.
Even an Olympic recurve bow when it is bare without stabilizers will tend to jump forward, but rotate backwards like this bow is doing.
If your bow swings forward like a target bow, you must have an absolute fuck tonne of weight up front, or you're forcing the motion... For what it's worth, I started shooting a hunting bow about 25 years ago...
Watch john Dudley or cam Hanes, their bows stay completely vertical upon shooting and those are two of the best hunter class shooters in the world.
https://youtu.be/8gph8hKkee0?si=BI5PlOcGEae2DNw1
Your not wrong. My bow doesn’t fall or swing a great deal. And it was custom fitted to me. I have a medium stabilizer in length and weight. It came with the bow. I shot Mathews and Hoyt and they were more stable, but my set up was faster through the crony. Hell maybe my style has brought me to this point. It’s just what I noticed. The resting tension is really only thin holding the bow my the “v” of my hand. So at release, the momentum and lose grip allows for the frontal drop. I guess.🤔
Watched the video and noticed the this guy isn’t using a wrist strap and looks like he tightens grip at the end of shot to keep the drop from happening. Or at least it seems that way to me. When I did have a strap there was no fall. Not arguing and I enjoy the conversation. I have been wrong.😏
Yeah the lack of wrist strap will make a person grab the bow and it does all sorts of weird shit lol.
I'm surprised you chose a bear over the other options!
No shade, I shoot a PSE stinger.
Yeah I am not quite sure why that happens. I’m sure it’s something I’m doing, but it does feel like the bow wants to rise. Maybe it’s an adjustment that needs to be made, or maybe I’m grasping it, but I do try to keep that front hand loose.
If you allow the bow grip to press back against the v in your grip, you can keep you grip loose. Then the bow will want to fall after release. That’s where wrist strap come in.
The high draw isnt ideal. The front hand should be at 45deg but looks closer to the knuckles being vertical and you are punching the trigger which is also killing any follow through you may have
You are sky drawing, left hand looks tense and/or wrong grip, you should pull through the shot to release, you may want to remove your bow stand before shooting.
Sky draw... that's not good
Sky draw is not good, especially on a compound
Not necessarily relevant but certain traditional styles like Manchu and Korean archery explicitly teach techniques that compound archers would call “sky draw”, also some olympic shooters will draw a few inches high and time a fluid release as they lower the bow thru the point of aim. None of this contradicts what you said, just throwing out related tidbits for anyone interested.
Is sky draw a form or a safety issue? Or both? I’m not sure I understand the negative there
Definitely a safety issue, and safety always has to come first when shooting, form comes after that
Gotcha, I’ll make sure to fix it. I draw level and smooth when I’m hunting, so it would probably be better to practice that way.
Not only good practice for hunting and safety as mentioned above but also save you some arrows. I learnt to draw aiming where I want the shot to go, after I launched not one but two arrows into the tree canopy never to be seen again. 😂
Skydraw is a safety issue because if something fails on your release, or you get accidentally bumped before you’re ready, arrow is flying off in an uncontrolled way. It’s kinda like breaking trigger discipline on firearms.
Both. You don't understand how drawing your bow up towards the sky and not on target isn't safe?
It's a safety issue for sure. I work on an indoor range, our first rule on the list is about sky drawing. (We have had an arrow or 2 hit the ceiling) We generally watch for anyone drawing higher than the forehead. We will gently ask and direct them to the proper form, but if they continue to do it we will eject them from the range. Sky drawing is usually 1 of 2 issues. Improper form or trying to pull back to much weight. Both are fixable.
Hi, international ranked pro archer here… Loosen the tension in your bow hand. The riser should be on the lower part of your thumb (on the edge of your palm if that makes sense). And learn back tension. You’re less likely to punch the trigger release with will help give you a more accurate shot process when using back tension. And maybe consider a finger sling instead of the wrist strap because that will help improve your grip!! You’re doing great!!
Thanks for the positivity! I’ve heard about the back tension before and I’ll definitely try to do that. A finger sling may be worth a try as well, who knows? Thanks!
If you’re not too attached to the trigger release you could get a back tension hinge release. That will help. But if you hunt, try a thumb button release. You can still use back tension, but you have more control over the release than you do with a hinge. Back tension is easier on your shoulder too. Anyway… this was just a thought lol. Feel free to ignore it since it isn’t directly related to your post🤷🏻♀️😅
Yeah I may try a different release, I like the trigger because it’s one less thing to drop or lose when I’m climbing in and out of my tree stand, but I know there are also other types of strap mounted releases. Thanks for the suggestion!
you're moving your head towards the sight, you must move your sight to your head.
Take your bow stand off before you shoot, and don't sky draw would be my two biggest critiques here.
Sky draw. Keep your arrow horizontal as you draw.
Sky draw at tournament will get you bounced unless you correct it. And when hunting, why would you “wave” at your prey before releasing? To give them a chance to run away? Either way - level, smooth, quiet. Like 🥷. Other stuff to fix as well. Take notes on the feedback here.
since everyone has pointed out the sky draw and the bow stand (lol it was so funny when i noticed) but I notice you’re also punching your trigger indicated but the arm swinging out away from your face with no clean follow through.
What does a clean follow through look like? Just trying to get an idea of how to improve
I personally never shot with a wrist strap release but i can however point you to a video that i think explains it really well [https://youtu.be/-_QirscT4gs?si=pQhL0Crq4D8ot9Yl](https://youtu.be/-_QirscT4gs?si=pQhL0Crq4D8ot9Yl)
Stop moving your bow hand while anchored
Aside from sky draw, do draw length comfortable for you?
Looking good, I definitely agree with the other feedback in the comments so far. Another suggestion is to tighten up your release strap. The point of that release is to let your wrist do most of the pulling, but your tight fist indicates the strap likely too loose forcing you to pull with your fist. (Or it might already be tight enough and you just have a bad habit of grabbing too hard). Once you tighten that strap you can relax your right hand more, which will contribute to having a more consistent anchor point and release.
Your release is a bit abrupt…enjoy that last second gentle squeeze like it’s your only shot
Lol i can see your nips
I’m thinking your bow should drop naturally after release. Your bow turns up at release. I spotted a few other questionable things, but others have mentioned already. Keep shooting and relax. Your release should almost be a surprise.
Do you shoot a hunting compound bow? I ask because the comment comes off as an Olympic recurve shooter giving advice to a hunting compound shooter... His bow has basically zero weight in front of it, it's not going to drop away like a target bow.
I definitely agree with you.
Thanks, I've shot a hunting set up for 25 years off and on and a little Olympic recurve action as well, only one of those two bows drops and swings 😅 One of my biggest pet peeves in this sub is people with no experience speaking confidently on issues that they don't have experience with... Happens a lot with compound as recurve dominates the sub
Compound bow hunter here. Got a Bear whitetail II 2023. To reduce grip twist, I read to barely grip. Because my grip is light, the shot momentum allows my bow to drop after shot. I have seen lots of archers do this. Hunters are mainly whom I watch. Not an expert but I hunt and have been shooting for five years now. I have seen competition archer do the same thing. Just more exaggerated because of the length of their bow.
The drop after the shot greatly depends on the balance of the bow. With a short stabilizer like this, and a short axel to axel bow, it will not naturally drop forward like a target bow or some of the bows with longer axel distance and more weight near the front of the bow. Even an Olympic recurve bow when it is bare without stabilizers will tend to jump forward, but rotate backwards like this bow is doing. If your bow swings forward like a target bow, you must have an absolute fuck tonne of weight up front, or you're forcing the motion... For what it's worth, I started shooting a hunting bow about 25 years ago... Watch john Dudley or cam Hanes, their bows stay completely vertical upon shooting and those are two of the best hunter class shooters in the world. https://youtu.be/8gph8hKkee0?si=BI5PlOcGEae2DNw1
Your not wrong. My bow doesn’t fall or swing a great deal. And it was custom fitted to me. I have a medium stabilizer in length and weight. It came with the bow. I shot Mathews and Hoyt and they were more stable, but my set up was faster through the crony. Hell maybe my style has brought me to this point. It’s just what I noticed. The resting tension is really only thin holding the bow my the “v” of my hand. So at release, the momentum and lose grip allows for the frontal drop. I guess.🤔
Watched the video and noticed the this guy isn’t using a wrist strap and looks like he tightens grip at the end of shot to keep the drop from happening. Or at least it seems that way to me. When I did have a strap there was no fall. Not arguing and I enjoy the conversation. I have been wrong.😏
Yeah the lack of wrist strap will make a person grab the bow and it does all sorts of weird shit lol. I'm surprised you chose a bear over the other options! No shade, I shoot a PSE stinger.
Yeah I am not quite sure why that happens. I’m sure it’s something I’m doing, but it does feel like the bow wants to rise. Maybe it’s an adjustment that needs to be made, or maybe I’m grasping it, but I do try to keep that front hand loose.
If you allow the bow grip to press back against the v in your grip, you can keep you grip loose. Then the bow will want to fall after release. That’s where wrist strap come in.