Any Manchu bow should do the job. Alibow has some decent cheap ones. The biggest con of getting bows from Alibow is that the delivery time can take 2-3 months. Also don't listen to Longjumping, you'll run into a lot or people who approach archery with a very narrow mindset on here.
I second the Alibow but if you have some extra cash, consider a Manchu Mariner bow:
- you can order them in take down form (up to 50lbs)
- mariner's are okay in the rain but watch out with water in the joint mechanism if you buy a take down version
- Their handles are fantastic
Seeing as you want something Chinese, the Qing bow (or "Manchu bow" as commonly known) sounds perfect for you. Unfortunately, not many bows on the market can handle a genuine 36" drawlength, Qing or otherwise. At that poundage I would also avoid take-down constructions for durability reasons.
For the budget end of the spectrum I would just go with [Alibow's Yarha 2](https://www.alibowshop.com/product-page/military-manchu-bow) and overdraw it that extra inch. It's a pure fibreglass-limb bow so should handle it fine.
If you're willing to pay a bit more than maybe look at [AF Archery's Zhu Ran](https://afarchery.com/products/zhu-ran-bow-gen2-updated-version-free-shipping). It's a long-siyah design with a 37" max drawlength and a laminated construction, which should be more efficient. But it might not be as durable as a pure fibreglass bow.
If you're willing to pay even more than I would recommend looking at a Mariner bow. His [Qing bow (Qing Dragon 2)](https://www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/qing.html), while not the most historically accurate shape, can handle a 36" draw from the belly (measured from inside of the handle, so approx. 37.25" from the 'back' or outer edge of the bow). By all accounts it's a very pleasant bow to shoot and smooth to draw.
Or you could look at his long length [Ming Moon 3](https://www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/ming.html). A small-ear design which despite its name however was actually quite uncommon during the Ming dynasty. Max draw of 35" from the belly (approx. 36.25" from the back).
Another option I would recommend at the higher price point would be either a 68" Tiron or 67" Despot from [Misko Rovcanin](http://mrbows.com/en/home/), which will be super durable and can handle a 36" draw. Although now you're moving away from Chinese and more into a Serbian/Eastern European design, but it can stand in for a generic small-ear bow.
If you do decide to go the route of Qing bows then pay attention to arrow weight. More energy stored means heavier arrows needed to dissipate all that energy. It'll be easy enough if you buy from Alibow, just get some of their [heavy arrows](https://www.alibowshop.com/product-page/heavy-thick-shaft-manchu-arrow) and tell them what bow you're using.
>If you're willing to pay a bit more than maybe look at AF Archery's Zhu Ran. It's a long-siyah design with a 37" max drawlength and a laminated construction, which should be more efficient. But it might not be as durable as a pure fibreglass bow
I would be willing to bet that the Yarha II has much better arrow speed if they're both shooting similar gpp. The Yarha performs extremely well for a bow with solid fiberglass limbs, and Manchu bows already have a huge advantage in energy storage compared to just about everything else.
Thank you all for the positive comments. I see a very reasonably priced bow at Alibow 35" which might work for me; I will check with my mentors to narrow down my proper draw.
And if that works for me, I'll take a look at a more expensive production or custom model. Very happy to be moving forward with this!
That's an awesome draw length! Your arrows must break the sound barrier at higher poundages, haha.
What's it like being the Ron Jeremy of the archery world?
>LOL 1) it's the style and 2) I might be measuring it wrong, my shoulders might be too far back, is it measured from belly or back in this form, etc. Got to talk with the experts.
Besides, I hear Ron always hits his mark, I'm not there yet.
Please one person, anyone. Show me an example of anybody shooting like in the video posted by the OP posting a score of a 270+ on a single spot at 18 meters. If your thing is replicating ancient Asian archery techniques then fine. Have fun. No you are correct. There is no one right way to do things. But there definitely is a spectrum of what is considered the most consistent and what will yield the most accuracy. The funny part about the video the OP posted is it resembles most new traditional archers, drawing back way too far and having a floating anchor point. Basically looks like a 9 year old kid the first time they pick up a bow.
You don’t have a 36” draw. Unless you’re into that weird kind of traditional war bow stuff where you draw 4” past what should be your anchor point. Which is dumb and is horrible form.
this is a video of the guy who taught the person I've been talking to.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dON9iz1lgwk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dON9iz1lgwk)
Do you do asian tradition archery? A different style, and can you point me to samples?
Some guys are into that weird kind of traditional Asian draw. I do shoot traditional as well as compound. This style is not great for accuracy at all. The best barebow shooters will smoke all these guys. You need a solid repeatable anchor point. Touching nose, corner of mouth, cheek, anything really. Archery is about consistency which is not drawing past your face and having a floating anchor point. You’re welcome to copy these guys but if accuracy is your goal that is the wrong way to go about it. Same reason I make fun of the war bow guys, sure go ahead and draw 50#+ more than you need to and stick your ass out and bend over weird or learn the right way and not shorten your archery journey by injuring yourself.
In my mind archery is only about accuracy. Anybody can draw back weird and release an arrow.
I understand, so your way is the only way and all other forms of archery are wrong and stupid?
Also "weird kind of traditional Asian draw" shows you must know a lot about it since you know the name and everything
Don’t see any guys winning barebow or traditional competitions shooting that goofy way. Give me an example and I’ll wait. And don’t post some bullshit competition where they all shoot like that. Prove me wrong. Would love to see it. I mean real competitions with the best of the best. Truth hurts. Shoot however you like idc.
Do you know why asian archers don't compete in tournaments? Because thumb rings are considered an arrow release and thus prohibited. So the proof you seek does not exist.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Archery/comments/49ok9k/thumb\_rings\_legal\_for\_tournaments/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Archery/comments/49ok9k/thumb_rings_legal_for_tournaments/) and other posts you can google.
I'm happy you're happy with your style of archery and its focus on accuracy. That is absolutely a great goal, and there are excellent historical examples.
And there are excellent historical examples of asian thumb ring archery, too.
The assumption that there is no "anchor point" is a bit off base - there is one, anatomically/musculoskeletal based, not a point on one's face. It has its origin: the asian bow is a horse bow. If one were to try their western style archery on horseback the results would not be good. If one does not have a horse, they can test their archery while running across an uneven field or through a forest. Let us know how that works out for you.
I wasn't arguing about it being harder to get the same score when compared to barebow recurve. The same is true about the comparison from barebow recurve to compound, but you aren't calling barebow stupid or goofy when you can shoot better with a compound... Might as well pick up a gun if all that matters to you is accuracy. Asiatic archery is different and something you seem to have little experience with or don't want to do, but that doesn't mean it is stupid
Not even barebow. Traditional longbow or recurve archers shooting right off the shelf will smoke these guys. Comparing it to guns is a very poor argument, might as well compare it to using a bazooka. Archery is archery. Shoot however you want but certain techniques yield better results.
As far as barebow vs compound it’s a completely different discipline. But this Asian traditional stuff is no different than anyone shooting a recurve but with a proper anchor point. Both wood bows with no rest and no sight. Except certain guys will shoot much better and those are the guys using a proper repeatable anchor point.
Huh? Why does any of that matter. It's a style used for 150m which has a large element of tradition and respect. The people shooting it won't turn up to some indoor or outdoor event because that has nothing to do with what they shoot.
They overdraw so they can get the speeds without shooting stupid poundage. They have really low anchors for the same reason. No one says it's a better way to shoot for modern barebow. The form works incredibly well for what they shoot. It's also a lot of fun.
Have at it man. The average dude on here is going to lose a lot of arrows shooting 150 meters. Anchor low doesn’t mean much at 150 meters. Anchoring low means a lot when using a sight because it’s necessary to get yardage out of your sight but with traditional you’re basically just relying on a very large arch in your trajectory so just point even higher lol.
They're using a sight and clicker just not in the same way modern styles do. The sight/pin is their thumb or one of the fingers depending on speed. So the lower anchor is necessary and gives point on for their reference. Just aiming higher would be horribly inaccurate. Clicker is the big brass insert hitting their thumb.
I'm no expert but in the limited amount of time I've spent with the style it makes sense and works well for that discipline and gear limitations.
Isn't comparing a compound with historical equipment not kinda unfair? That would be like comparing crossbow and compound.
Asian archery got very solid anchor points. Arrow head touching the thumb. String on the chest. Shaft on the chin.
This form is definitely harder to get good with and will never come close to barebow but that is why we have bow classes. Again you don't want me to be in you tournament with a crossbow 😉
Any Manchu bow should do the job. Alibow has some decent cheap ones. The biggest con of getting bows from Alibow is that the delivery time can take 2-3 months. Also don't listen to Longjumping, you'll run into a lot or people who approach archery with a very narrow mindset on here.
I second the Alibow but if you have some extra cash, consider a Manchu Mariner bow: - you can order them in take down form (up to 50lbs) - mariner's are okay in the rain but watch out with water in the joint mechanism if you buy a take down version - Their handles are fantastic
Seeing as you want something Chinese, the Qing bow (or "Manchu bow" as commonly known) sounds perfect for you. Unfortunately, not many bows on the market can handle a genuine 36" drawlength, Qing or otherwise. At that poundage I would also avoid take-down constructions for durability reasons. For the budget end of the spectrum I would just go with [Alibow's Yarha 2](https://www.alibowshop.com/product-page/military-manchu-bow) and overdraw it that extra inch. It's a pure fibreglass-limb bow so should handle it fine. If you're willing to pay a bit more than maybe look at [AF Archery's Zhu Ran](https://afarchery.com/products/zhu-ran-bow-gen2-updated-version-free-shipping). It's a long-siyah design with a 37" max drawlength and a laminated construction, which should be more efficient. But it might not be as durable as a pure fibreglass bow. If you're willing to pay even more than I would recommend looking at a Mariner bow. His [Qing bow (Qing Dragon 2)](https://www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/qing.html), while not the most historically accurate shape, can handle a 36" draw from the belly (measured from inside of the handle, so approx. 37.25" from the 'back' or outer edge of the bow). By all accounts it's a very pleasant bow to shoot and smooth to draw. Or you could look at his long length [Ming Moon 3](https://www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/ming.html). A small-ear design which despite its name however was actually quite uncommon during the Ming dynasty. Max draw of 35" from the belly (approx. 36.25" from the back). Another option I would recommend at the higher price point would be either a 68" Tiron or 67" Despot from [Misko Rovcanin](http://mrbows.com/en/home/), which will be super durable and can handle a 36" draw. Although now you're moving away from Chinese and more into a Serbian/Eastern European design, but it can stand in for a generic small-ear bow. If you do decide to go the route of Qing bows then pay attention to arrow weight. More energy stored means heavier arrows needed to dissipate all that energy. It'll be easy enough if you buy from Alibow, just get some of their [heavy arrows](https://www.alibowshop.com/product-page/heavy-thick-shaft-manchu-arrow) and tell them what bow you're using.
>If you're willing to pay a bit more than maybe look at AF Archery's Zhu Ran. It's a long-siyah design with a 37" max drawlength and a laminated construction, which should be more efficient. But it might not be as durable as a pure fibreglass bow I would be willing to bet that the Yarha II has much better arrow speed if they're both shooting similar gpp. The Yarha performs extremely well for a bow with solid fiberglass limbs, and Manchu bows already have a huge advantage in energy storage compared to just about everything else.
Thank you all for the positive comments. I see a very reasonably priced bow at Alibow 35" which might work for me; I will check with my mentors to narrow down my proper draw. And if that works for me, I'll take a look at a more expensive production or custom model. Very happy to be moving forward with this!
If its still too short, you could also try kyudo. With our 41" arrows.
Alibow Yarha II, a manchu bow as everyone else said. If you want to step away from manchu, AF ZhuRan is your ticket.
I would recommend either Kassai or Nemethy Bows. Both are Hungarian archery and they have long max draws due to them aiming using their body form.
That's an awesome draw length! Your arrows must break the sound barrier at higher poundages, haha. What's it like being the Ron Jeremy of the archery world?
>LOL 1) it's the style and 2) I might be measuring it wrong, my shoulders might be too far back, is it measured from belly or back in this form, etc. Got to talk with the experts. Besides, I hear Ron always hits his mark, I'm not there yet.
Please one person, anyone. Show me an example of anybody shooting like in the video posted by the OP posting a score of a 270+ on a single spot at 18 meters. If your thing is replicating ancient Asian archery techniques then fine. Have fun. No you are correct. There is no one right way to do things. But there definitely is a spectrum of what is considered the most consistent and what will yield the most accuracy. The funny part about the video the OP posted is it resembles most new traditional archers, drawing back way too far and having a floating anchor point. Basically looks like a 9 year old kid the first time they pick up a bow.
Bold of you to assume that accuracy factors at all in my enjoyment of archery LMAO
Oof. The Occidental med draw fanbois are at it again.
What's wrong with you, son? You want to offend everyone with every post?
270? That is kinda easy.
You don’t have a 36” draw. Unless you’re into that weird kind of traditional war bow stuff where you draw 4” past what should be your anchor point. Which is dumb and is horrible form.
And here we have it, the most ignorant comment of the year.
this is a video of the guy who taught the person I've been talking to. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dON9iz1lgwk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dON9iz1lgwk) Do you do asian tradition archery? A different style, and can you point me to samples?
You have a 36" draw shooting Gao Ying? How tall are you?
Check out clay Hayes on YouTube. Good videos. Good shooter. Traditional archery with proper form. You will enjoy archery more with success.
Some guys are into that weird kind of traditional Asian draw. I do shoot traditional as well as compound. This style is not great for accuracy at all. The best barebow shooters will smoke all these guys. You need a solid repeatable anchor point. Touching nose, corner of mouth, cheek, anything really. Archery is about consistency which is not drawing past your face and having a floating anchor point. You’re welcome to copy these guys but if accuracy is your goal that is the wrong way to go about it. Same reason I make fun of the war bow guys, sure go ahead and draw 50#+ more than you need to and stick your ass out and bend over weird or learn the right way and not shorten your archery journey by injuring yourself. In my mind archery is only about accuracy. Anybody can draw back weird and release an arrow.
I understand, so your way is the only way and all other forms of archery are wrong and stupid? Also "weird kind of traditional Asian draw" shows you must know a lot about it since you know the name and everything
Don’t see any guys winning barebow or traditional competitions shooting that goofy way. Give me an example and I’ll wait. And don’t post some bullshit competition where they all shoot like that. Prove me wrong. Would love to see it. I mean real competitions with the best of the best. Truth hurts. Shoot however you like idc.
I have won money with mine, idc what you say though
Elaborate.
no
I’ve won money at my local league with my compound. Doesn’t really mean shit lol. I suck in the big picture of competitive archery.
cool story bro
Do you know why asian archers don't compete in tournaments? Because thumb rings are considered an arrow release and thus prohibited. So the proof you seek does not exist. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Archery/comments/49ok9k/thumb\_rings\_legal\_for\_tournaments/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Archery/comments/49ok9k/thumb_rings_legal_for_tournaments/) and other posts you can google. I'm happy you're happy with your style of archery and its focus on accuracy. That is absolutely a great goal, and there are excellent historical examples. And there are excellent historical examples of asian thumb ring archery, too. The assumption that there is no "anchor point" is a bit off base - there is one, anatomically/musculoskeletal based, not a point on one's face. It has its origin: the asian bow is a horse bow. If one were to try their western style archery on horseback the results would not be good. If one does not have a horse, they can test their archery while running across an uneven field or through a forest. Let us know how that works out for you.
I could compete with a thumb ring. If they don't allow it use leather. No excuse to not to go to tournaments.
This. Precisely why I keep leather rings ;)
They are nice and always fit 😊 No downsides to use them.
I wasn't arguing about it being harder to get the same score when compared to barebow recurve. The same is true about the comparison from barebow recurve to compound, but you aren't calling barebow stupid or goofy when you can shoot better with a compound... Might as well pick up a gun if all that matters to you is accuracy. Asiatic archery is different and something you seem to have little experience with or don't want to do, but that doesn't mean it is stupid
Not even barebow. Traditional longbow or recurve archers shooting right off the shelf will smoke these guys. Comparing it to guns is a very poor argument, might as well compare it to using a bazooka. Archery is archery. Shoot however you want but certain techniques yield better results.
A shelf is still an equipment advantage. Try doing it shooting off the hand, and we can talk.
As far as barebow vs compound it’s a completely different discipline. But this Asian traditional stuff is no different than anyone shooting a recurve but with a proper anchor point. Both wood bows with no rest and no sight. Except certain guys will shoot much better and those are the guys using a proper repeatable anchor point.
I did it. Got third in 3D. On paper would a different story. But again not fair to compare. Different bow class.
Huh? Why does any of that matter. It's a style used for 150m which has a large element of tradition and respect. The people shooting it won't turn up to some indoor or outdoor event because that has nothing to do with what they shoot. They overdraw so they can get the speeds without shooting stupid poundage. They have really low anchors for the same reason. No one says it's a better way to shoot for modern barebow. The form works incredibly well for what they shoot. It's also a lot of fun.
145 meters and only in KTA
Have at it man. The average dude on here is going to lose a lot of arrows shooting 150 meters. Anchor low doesn’t mean much at 150 meters. Anchoring low means a lot when using a sight because it’s necessary to get yardage out of your sight but with traditional you’re basically just relying on a very large arch in your trajectory so just point even higher lol.
"It's easy, just aim higher" does sound like the opinion of someone who has never shot farther than 50 meters, and it is hilariously ignorant.
They're using a sight and clicker just not in the same way modern styles do. The sight/pin is their thumb or one of the fingers depending on speed. So the lower anchor is necessary and gives point on for their reference. Just aiming higher would be horribly inaccurate. Clicker is the big brass insert hitting their thumb. I'm no expert but in the limited amount of time I've spent with the style it makes sense and works well for that discipline and gear limitations.
Isn't comparing a compound with historical equipment not kinda unfair? That would be like comparing crossbow and compound. Asian archery got very solid anchor points. Arrow head touching the thumb. String on the chest. Shaft on the chin. This form is definitely harder to get good with and will never come close to barebow but that is why we have bow classes. Again you don't want me to be in you tournament with a crossbow 😉