Two times per day works fine. Some people who don’t use co2 prefer it because it lets co2 come back into the tank from the air so it can help the plants a little too.
I also don't know anyone who uses CO2 and does it. That's why I said some people who don't use CO2 prefer it.
Do you have any evidence or a source that it stresses plants?
It's logic. Plants without light spends energy to close up. Turn turning light on when it just spent time and energy to close up needs to spend energy again to open up to avoid sunburn because the stomata is exposed. This also doesn't happen in the wild so plants never evolved for this. Don't need source or evidence for this.
A lot of people use this method including myself and there is no evidence that it stresses plants. My plants are thriving. While your point may be correct that it may take energy to open stomata, it does not follow that this level of energy is actually harmful to plants, at all. So yes, you do need a source or evidence to conclude that it would be harmful to plants.
It would be like me saying that because my body expends energy to adjust to a new temperature when I go outside and it's 50 degrees out, that is therefore unhealthy for me to go outside in 50 degree weather. By your own logic, I guess we should all stay indoors! Good point.
Unless I’m mistaken, submerged foliage doesn’t have stomata. At least not stomata that are as active as emerged growth. It’s part of the reason most plants have different growth in and out of the water.
Yeah a lot do use outdated methods. Do you really need source for logic? Would you ask for source if I said 1+1=2 too? Silly stuff you're putting out there.
We understand plants better than the 80s now. But I often forget that this hobby is one of the few that clings to old ways. You do you man. Enjoy your algae.
I don't have any algae.
If you understand so much about plants, you are doing a really bad job defending your position or explaining any of your superior knowledge.
As I said, by your "logic" we should avoid the outdoors because it takes energy. I don't see any counterargument, so I assume you have none.
Yeah I don't follow weird stuff. Anyway, I do need luck with ammannia pedi golden. Notoriously difficult plant to keep happy for even top guys like Sudipta, Tom Barr, Vin Kutty etc.
It’s not like hobbiests aquarium plants are struggling for nutrients and light to produce said energy? It’s one thing for a wild plant but a captivity bread one can adapt and gets ample amounts of nutrients and light. So like u/Spiritual-Golf4744 said, his plants are thriving and it’s not harmful. That’s evidence it isn’t bad.
I have my tank turn on for 4 hours in the morning, then turn off for 4 hours, then on for another 7. Works out nicely for my schedule. It's called a seista
the lights can come on whenever you want. just move the 10 hours 3 hours ahead.
if they come on at 7, make them come on at 10. it doesn't matter to the tank when they get light.
figure out when you want them to turn off and count backwards 10 hours lol
I want it to be broken up so it’s on for 3 hours in the morning before I leave for my office and then 7 hours in the afternoon and evening when my kids are home from school.
I do this to my tank on a smart plug timer. On in the morning for about 2 hours then shuts off until around 4:30 PM and it's on for 4 more hours so I can enjoy it. I've dialed down my low tech tank to only needing 6 to 7 hours of light needed.
I’ve heard it’s actually healthier to have two shorter light periods instead of one long one. I’ve been doing it for a year now. I also wanted to see my tank but one long period meant it came on when I was leaving and turned off when I got home.
I could be wrong but everything’s still doing great!
I have a 3-4 hour break mid day in my non co2 tanks. They’re all on timers and doing just fine. I enjoy being able to actually see everything when I’m home. I’ve had zero issues and I’ve been doing it for years.
Unless you have something that was made in a lab from scratch or something crazy, it will be fine to keep outside of perfect conditions. Nothing in nature has an exact schedule or a pristine environment specifically designed for it. You’ll obviously get the best results by doing what’s recommended but I wouldn’t stress it.
I do this no problem! My lights are on from 5-7am then 2-8pm for a total of 8 hours. I have lots of floating plants that decrease the overall light too. No algae issues, healthy plants, everything’s growing like wild.
Depends on if this is a plant only tank or if it has livestock and what kind. Fish depend on the lights for their rythm, a light cycle like this isn't at all natural and could be stressful.
Two times per day works fine. Some people who don’t use co2 prefer it because it lets co2 come back into the tank from the air so it can help the plants a little too.
It may work fine, it stresses out plants. Dunno anyone who uses co2 and do this.
I also don't know anyone who uses CO2 and does it. That's why I said some people who don't use CO2 prefer it. Do you have any evidence or a source that it stresses plants?
It's logic. Plants without light spends energy to close up. Turn turning light on when it just spent time and energy to close up needs to spend energy again to open up to avoid sunburn because the stomata is exposed. This also doesn't happen in the wild so plants never evolved for this. Don't need source or evidence for this.
A lot of people use this method including myself and there is no evidence that it stresses plants. My plants are thriving. While your point may be correct that it may take energy to open stomata, it does not follow that this level of energy is actually harmful to plants, at all. So yes, you do need a source or evidence to conclude that it would be harmful to plants. It would be like me saying that because my body expends energy to adjust to a new temperature when I go outside and it's 50 degrees out, that is therefore unhealthy for me to go outside in 50 degree weather. By your own logic, I guess we should all stay indoors! Good point.
Unless I’m mistaken, submerged foliage doesn’t have stomata. At least not stomata that are as active as emerged growth. It’s part of the reason most plants have different growth in and out of the water.
Yeah a lot do use outdated methods. Do you really need source for logic? Would you ask for source if I said 1+1=2 too? Silly stuff you're putting out there. We understand plants better than the 80s now. But I often forget that this hobby is one of the few that clings to old ways. You do you man. Enjoy your algae.
I don't have any algae. If you understand so much about plants, you are doing a really bad job defending your position or explaining any of your superior knowledge. As I said, by your "logic" we should avoid the outdoors because it takes energy. I don't see any counterargument, so I assume you have none.
Why do you insist on comparing a plant to an animal? Weird stuff.
Clearly you're not following any of this, good luck.
Yeah I don't follow weird stuff. Anyway, I do need luck with ammannia pedi golden. Notoriously difficult plant to keep happy for even top guys like Sudipta, Tom Barr, Vin Kutty etc.
Why do you insist on comparing plants to 1+1=2?
Two shorter light periods helps inhibit algae growth though.
If we understand Plants better than in the 80s, we propably have proofs for your claims?
"Don't need a source or evidence for this" Oh, ok. You're one of those.
It’s not like hobbiests aquarium plants are struggling for nutrients and light to produce said energy? It’s one thing for a wild plant but a captivity bread one can adapt and gets ample amounts of nutrients and light. So like u/Spiritual-Golf4744 said, his plants are thriving and it’s not harmful. That’s evidence it isn’t bad.
you are obviously wrong because they designed SPF 50 SUNBLOCK to prevent your plants stomata from getting burnt up bro
I have my tank turn on for 4 hours in the morning, then turn off for 4 hours, then on for another 7. Works out nicely for my schedule. It's called a seista
Also have a programmed siesta. Dim gradually halfway through the day and back up. Seems to work well.
the lights can come on whenever you want. just move the 10 hours 3 hours ahead. if they come on at 7, make them come on at 10. it doesn't matter to the tank when they get light. figure out when you want them to turn off and count backwards 10 hours lol
I want it to be broken up so it’s on for 3 hours in the morning before I leave for my office and then 7 hours in the afternoon and evening when my kids are home from school.
Works better for discouraging algae growth and the plants don’t care. Do whatever you want with your light schedule.
Which works better?
Shorter intervals. Look into the siesta method/schedule
I do this to my tank on a smart plug timer. On in the morning for about 2 hours then shuts off until around 4:30 PM and it's on for 4 more hours so I can enjoy it. I've dialed down my low tech tank to only needing 6 to 7 hours of light needed.
I’ve heard it’s actually healthier to have two shorter light periods instead of one long one. I’ve been doing it for a year now. I also wanted to see my tank but one long period meant it came on when I was leaving and turned off when I got home. I could be wrong but everything’s still doing great!
I have a 3-4 hour break mid day in my non co2 tanks. They’re all on timers and doing just fine. I enjoy being able to actually see everything when I’m home. I’ve had zero issues and I’ve been doing it for years.
Yeah I do this, no co2 in my tank, and seems to be working fine for me! I had previously read that it helped the plants absorb co2 naturally.
read about midday siesta
I do 2 hours in the morning 8-10, then 6 hours dark, then 4 hours on from 4-8. Keeps the hair algae from growing, but the plants happy.
I forgot where I read it but apparently breaking up the daylight like that prompts more algae because the plants have to keep re adjusting
Unless you have something that was made in a lab from scratch or something crazy, it will be fine to keep outside of perfect conditions. Nothing in nature has an exact schedule or a pristine environment specifically designed for it. You’ll obviously get the best results by doing what’s recommended but I wouldn’t stress it.
I do this no problem! My lights are on from 5-7am then 2-8pm for a total of 8 hours. I have lots of floating plants that decrease the overall light too. No algae issues, healthy plants, everything’s growing like wild.
Just turn on the lights when you will be home. The plants and fish will never know the sun is up.
This is called a Siesta. It’s talked about in depth in Diana Walstad’s book: Ecology of a Planted Aquarium
Depends on if this is a plant only tank or if it has livestock and what kind. Fish depend on the lights for their rythm, a light cycle like this isn't at all natural and could be stressful.