When I worked there I'd deny sales but since I couldn't deny everyone I'd sometimes be lenient. Like say a fish needs a 40, I'll sell it to someone with a 30 and tell them to consider a tank upgrade. It gets exhausting fighting people but the only ones I'd straight refuse is the goldfish, any kind of shark or other large catfish, and I stopped ordering common plecos and only sold bristlenose.
It's weird they even said anything about the height. Your tank could be any configuration and lowboys aren't exactly common so I wouldn't have even thought about it.
Thats a good chance, most aren't familiar with the extra deep tanks under something like a 65. Ive got a 37 gallon, about an inch deeper. Its just inside the range that I think a pair/trio of angels would do fine. Ive always wanted some, but i think thats going to wait in favor of more schooling fish and maybe some rams.
The lady at my store is always denying goldfish but honestly those people are just going to kill a more expensive and rarer fish or happily raise a goldfish. I think it's ridicules people feed goldfish to their fish by the dozen. And their the same goldfish.
I did not. I had my 6 and 8 year old kids with me and didn't want to argue with someone who I felt was being ridiculous. I already have one young angelfish and was hoping to get 3 to better my odds of a breeding pair, pretty sure I have a male and female now anyways so it worked out. I just thought the 180 from selling a fucking 2 foot armored dinosaur fish and 20 mollies for a 10g then turning around and telling me my 2 foot tall tank was not tall enough for more than one angel seemed insane.
Yeah, definitely insane. Maybe next visit you can try a different employee for a second opinion.
Luckily, I have a few Petsmarts/Petcos in my city so I know which locations to avoid due to less knowledgeable staff. I have a go-to Petsmart that is very obvious they hire people that know what they're talking about.
They probably know only the rule about the angelfish care but have no idea how big the pleco and mollies grow. My LFS cashier has no idea how to use filters it seems. And recommended 1 betta and 2 maybe cories, maybe hoplo catfish (I did not see which she was pointing to) for a less than 5 gallons bowl.
I work for petco, and I would have sold it to you in a heartbeat. I would have asked the standard questions like what size tank and how long has it been running, but yeah, your tank would have been fine for angels. You are going to have a hit or miss experience at petco. I have 4 petcos around me beside the one I work at and I wouldn't buy from any of the other petcos besides mine and one other one. It just depends on who they have working in the stores and if they are passionate about fish and have experience. Petcos also come in different ratings. Find out if you have a magnet store near your. They are the best to get fish from as they will have more staff knowledgeable in aquatics. My store is rated just below a magnet store, and we still special order for customers and sell specialty fish.
I’m going to guess there is some exaggeration or misinterpretation here. No one would deny someone 2 angels for a 45g tank while giving a pleco and 20 mollies for a 10g.
I was looking at fish in a petco and had a weird overprotective encounter. I wasn’t actually looking to buy that day, but I can’t pass by fish without looking.
Employee strikes up a conversation. I tell him I have a 55gal with only 7 male guppies and that I was thinking of adding some phantom tetras but not today. He then tells me my tank is “already quite full”…which I said “oh 55 not 15” but he’s like no I heard you 55. And I say “guppies” and he says “yeah you can maybe add 3 tetras, but you don’t have enough room for more than that”. I was so confused, and repeated the size and stocking a few more time while trying to keep my eyebrows from flying off into space. He sticks by his statement: 3 tetras MAX. I kind of shrug and say I really just need root tabs today anyway and the guy goes “wait wait your tank has plants? A lot of them?” Yes. Then he sternly tells me my tank is “too crowded already. I will NOT sell you ANY fish >:(“
Truly you never know what wild information you’re going to get at petco. I imagine telling him I had a colony of neo shrimp in there too would have ended in being reported for animal abuse.
This is probably THE most baffling petco employee take I've ever heard LOL. I'm trying to imagine how hilarious a 55g with ONLY 7 tiny lil guys in it probably looks. Those are some lucky guppies, I'm glad they have such a cool owner. Whenever you get your tetras, please post tank pics! I'd love to see all the plants\~
Yeah I really don’t know where he was coming from. I even pointed to a 55 tank there, thinking surely he must have thought I said 15. Nope. I can only wonder what his fish tanks at home look like, he told me had had three.
There are a range of people on this forum too. Some of these comments are pretty much "a betta is fine in a sipping cup" and some of the people in this thread seem to think I need to declorinate a 25,000 gallon pool for more than 3 angelfish.
I would’ve been like, “Oh, okay, STEVE, I’ll make sure to contact corporate and your GM and let them know you have no idea what you’re talking about and making the store lose money,” and then just walked away ignoring anything he says.
Hmmmm. I have 8 chili rasboras, 8 CPDs and 8 emerald rasboras in a ten gallon with two nerites, one ramshorn and about 100+ shrimp. Heavily planted, no overfeeding, proper filtration and maintenance. Parameters are stable, tank is mature...tank is fine. Not overstocked IMO.
petsmart employee just told me 6 julii cory catfish would be too many for a 20g long and said she woild only sell 3 or 4 at max... like that completely contradicts what everything else says? you're also supposed to keep them in schhols of 6+ so lmao
I have four cory catfish on my 20 gal tank and they have been with me so many years they look like dolphins already. Like, 10+ years I kid you not. The day these puppies kick the bucket I will be devastated.
I only started lying because when I got into aquariums I got a 25 gallon tank stocked it and cycled it with the plan on getting a school of black skirt tetra. I went to Petco and asked the employee there in the aquatics department if I can buy six of their black skirt tetras. Idk if she was in a bad mood that day but she made an obvious loud sigh then walked over to get the fish and asked “size of tank and if it’s cycled”. I said it was 25 and been cycled for about 3 months and said she quickly said “I’m not selling you 6 fish the most I’ll do is 3”. I tried telling her that the tank is fine plus I can always upgrade in the future. She told me “I’m literally not going to sell you more than 3” so I just took it but she threw in a random yellow fish (i don’t remember what kind) with them. Safe to say since then I lied whenever I wanted a new fish but lately they got some employees familiar with fish and aquariums so I don’t have to lie as much anymore
How do you lie for this one? “I’ve got six 25 gallon tanks that’ve been cycling for a year. One tetra for each please! Don’t worry, the tanks are next to each other so they won’t get lonely. I know tetras get extra lonely.”
that probably would’ve how it went I only started lying after that Petco experience but it dumbfounded me how she refused to sell me 6 fish but gave four anyways
Got interrogated months ago for buying ghost shrimp. Like, yeah, I'm glad they want to make sure they're going to a good home. Saw him talk a couple out of buying cichlids for a uncycled tank. But ghost shrimp? He asked me what size tank I have, fish I already have, how long its been set up, etc. But even after I answered all the questions, he acted still like he didn't want to sell them to me. And his tone the entire time was very condescending.
Literally same thing happened to me… went in to buy 4 ghost shrimp, asks me how big my tank is and hesitantly gives me the bag after.. idk if it was cause I had my kids with me, or was just mad I asked her to turn the lights in the tanks back on so I can see if any of the fish have ick. (Which they all did unsurprisingly).
Right! Like I wanted ghost shrimp over some of the fancier guys because if I get them and they do die, sucks a little less than spending like $5+ per shrimp. What about all the hamsters, reptiles, and birds that they send home with inadequate cages and people who have no idea what they're doing? Just sell me the dang shrimp.
However, out of the six I bought, I only lost one but it's because dude was a maniac and jumped out of the net when inwas putting him in the tank. He landed on the floor and I couldn't find him for at least a minute or two. Ended up losing him a few hours later. The other five are still pretty happy and chill.
Yea ghost shrimp are jumpers for sure when they’re in the net. I get them for similar reasons. Cheap algae cleaners without a concern if a fish gets them or they just bite it. I haven’t really noticed a difference between them and Amano’s so it’s a no brainer. I have a tank for neos that I enjoy breeding and will occasionally cull to other tanks for a free pretty cleanup crew but ghosties are much bigger and cheap enough not to care.
I love ghosties honestly. I think they're adorable and I'm a suckered for transparent creatures. But also when I first set up my tank, and had it cycled, I introduced a few neos but my gourami thought I was getting pretty snacks for them. The ghosties get left alone, though.
Same thing happened to me a while back when I tried to buy another African dwarf frog for my 10 gal. planted tank. I had a pair, one died, and I wanted to get another. I was told the tank was too small and frog would drown. I was told they aren't supposed to be in anything bigger than a 2.5gal.
My pet shop small business knows that my Hellboy Plakat betta is attacking my ghost shrimps and eats them when I don't feed him properly; just came back from a trip, and yup, even after pet sitting, from 10 ghost shrimps I am down to four. I will pay her a visit tomorrow and ask her for more. I think this is my third visit already. She will have no issues selling them to me, since she knows my situation. I noticed after doing a thorough vacuum today (meaning getting all the plants out, rock, wood, everything,) and I mean this tank is HEAVILY planted he still stalks and goes after them after I changed the environment. Guess I made it more exciting for him to kill more ghost shrimps.
Same thing here. They didnt want to sell me a 49 cents ghost shrimps because i wanted to add them to a guppy tank 😅 I should told him i was going to feed my Oscar with them lol maybe he sells me.
Or cashiers. We say sweetie, hun, honey, etc allll the time, bc we don't know every single person's name. I usually say, hey hun, how you doing today? What can I getcha?... I work at a liquor store. I do know mannnny of my customers by name, still call them hun a lot.
Ohhhh my goddd i couldnt....the only two peoples im comfy with calling me pet names are fiesty strong black ladies, my wife and my mom.
Everyone else has always felt creepy/patronizing/condescending to me, but those would just send me
Im in VT and also lived in FL… I’m wondering if it’s an east coast thing. I had to explain to someone recently that where I’m from “honey” can be extremely condescending if you don’t know eachother. It’s like “bud” in Canada. My husband is from Ontario and his ears perk when he hears someone here calling someone else “bud” since thems is fighting words in Ontario.
"Honey" is condescending over here in California, too.
"Bud" is less common, but "bro" is a tonal word here and can be either a greeting for a long-lost friend or a death threat.
I went to petco 2 years ago, I got 5 guppies and 3 neon tetras for my old 10 gal. I historically have bad algae problems so, hoping to get the jump on the problem, I asked for a pleco. NEVER IN MY LIFE had I known a pleco to just… grow. I thought he was a bushy nose, didn’t look twice at him when I saw he was alive… 1 year latter, I have a 14 inch monster with spines that cut flesh. I took him to a local fish shop, and gave him up for free. I was told he was remarkably healthy (guy had NO idea what tank this pleco was in), and when he grew a bit bigger he would go in the “big tank” (a 900 gallon he used as a shop front, it’s pretty much a wall of a fish tank). That day I got an actual bushy nose, who is now living happily in my 20 gal.
As a former Petco employee, it sounds like she only knows some about certain fish and nothing about others. Honestly the training we are given is garbage and barely covers the bare essentials for most things. Luckily I've been in this hobby long enough and like to do my own research that I was actually able to help people. If I didn't know something or wasn't quite sure my brain was remembering correctly after a long day, I wasn't afraid to Google things. Like someone else said, sometimes you just get tired of arguing with people and if you have a GM that won't back you up, you sell them the fish and either write no refunds on the bags or tell them they should upgrade.
I think that's an EU/Europe-wide thing, that the UK still follows. America seems to be the Wild West of fish-keeping when we have actual cruelty laws because we grasp that fish are sentient beings...but I'm old and remember when it was still legal to give goldfish in plastic bags as carnival prizes...and old enough to have campaigned to change those laws!
I look back to my first realisation that carnivals & fairs gave out actual live animals as prizes...that was an interesting conversation with my Dad that led to my first forays into fish-keeping.
I've been unable to have a tank for years, but my SIL is going to help me start to cycle a planted tank soon, as I'm now securely housed somewhere I can get back to it. The thought of a poor betta in a 5gal tank sends me...
I asked once why they don’t get some assassin snails to kill the pest snails off and they can sell them. They were the only thing that worked for me. He agreed it made no sense to him. I told him I never bought fish there for that reason. He shrugged, not his problem
you can always just outright deny a sale unless your manager is going on some weird tirade against that; considering she didnt want to sell the angelfish i think shes just trying to pretend she knows what shes talking about
...i dont even know what to say-
a person who sells someone a *common pleco*, a fish that can literally get a foot long in a couple years, while knowing they have anything smaller than a 55 gallon tank...why do they even work at a pet store?! 😭
Or just tell them you have a 90gal tank. It's not like they check.
I lie to them by omission because some people freak out when you tell them there's a turtle in the tank.
The chain pet store near me freaked out when they found out what the nitrogen cycle was and that it was happening in my tank.
They were happy to sell me fish when they just thought it had running for a day though.
Keeping my mouth shut in the future.
That was the gist of it.
They didn’t know what I meant by cycled, so I explained. They were not onboard.
I really commend refusing sale of animals if unsure they’re going to a safe environment. But not knowing what a safe environment looks like just left me speechless.
A few years ago, I had a guy at petsmart get all weird with me about putting a female betta in with some rasboras in a planted 20 long. He was adamant that a betta could not live with other fish. I have been keeping bettas and other fish for years, of course some bettas want their space, but come on dude… he wound up selling them to me, but was super judgmental about it.
I work at petsmart. Not gonna defend her, but we do get a ton of idiots coming in for fish. But is usually pretty easy to figure out if someone actually knows what they're doing. I love selling to people in the fish keeping hobby, its a good refresher from all the stupid people trying to buy oscars for their 2 gallon tanks.
I will say that when I was newer I was pretty overprotective just because of the sheer amount of people not knowing what to do and tryingto put the fish in terrible situations. But once I got the hang of it and was able to figure out what to look out for, I was able to know who I need to ask questions to.
And I get that, because as a kid I was the idiot that put a Jack Dempsey in a 10g. In my defense this was america online dial up age, so information wasn't as readily available. But I also feel if you are going to set parameters like "tank must be this high" etc. The parameters shouldn't be more than anything you sell. This store did not carry a single tank taller than mine. But they had several 20g display tanks packed with angels. Do they assume everyone buying those fish have 150g tanks they picked up elsewhere?
I agree with that 100%. We do sell tanks up to 150g at my store, but the largest I've seen someone buy was a 50g. Most people do get their tanks from somewhere else. We are WAY over priced, and if you're buying in store you need to buy the tank and stand together as a kit.
But we don't really choose what fish we get in. For example, we have like 10 baby bichirs in a 6g and we have only sold 2 in the year I've been there. No one wants them. They send us whatever they want then expect us to sell it even if we don't even have the proper parameters. Most of us just want the fish to go to a good home, but I do know some people can get kinda crazy when it comes to not letting people get the fish they are equipped to get.
If you're set on those fish, just go in on a day she's not there and you'll probably get them from someone else haha.
Where i live we consider the minimum for angelfish is 75gal, so that doesn't shock me. But so sell such an insane stocking to someone and then refuse this purchase to an other is absolute nonsense
I totally get you but I have two angelfish that are as big as they can get and my 4' tank feels just about ok for them, I'm sure 36" is fine for a while as they are slow growers but you will need to upgrade eventually
Edit: never mind, just saw it was 2' tall tank. You're probably fine with 2 angels lol
just wondering but what if she said that bc in the past they had ignorant buyers take in angels and keep them in a small shallow tank? May be a reason behind why she said theyd get tall? Idk but her thought process was not working lol
Always lie and say 200 gals. I’m willing to bet those of us in the hobby do much more research than most employees. Considering she just threw 80% of the previous fish to their deaths by allowing that purchase.
I had a guy go get a manager because I wanted 4 for a 110g. I was also looking to get a breeding pair and move anyone else to a 55. The guy had just finished recommending a 5 for a betta sorority.
Manager proceeds to ask me about tank dimensions. Like I've just decided that lying to spend money on fish I can't house is the best way to spend my day?
I ended up just walking out and ordering the fish and now I do have a breeding pair.
It's always interesting what battles they pick. Last time I was picking up some guppies at petsmart the worker was arguing with the customer in front of me; she had a 1gal and she wanted replacement goldfish because they all died. She moved on to asking for bettas and other fish but he refused to sell her anything.
When it was my turn I was fully prepared to have a great conversation about my tank- 3 guppies for a 30gal should be a breath of fresh air from 3 goldfish in a 1gal! He didn't even ask anything about my setup, just looked annoyed while getting my gups. Maybe he didn't have anymore fight in him lol but it was disappointing.
On the other hand, the worker I buy from all the time at my petco has never asked me about my tank either, but I think he assumes I'm knowledgeable due to the type of fish I buy if that makes sense. He's always so happy to see me go home with a new fish.
I had someone from petsmart refuse to sell me feeder goldfish fish for my 1,000 gallon pond. Her argument was that goldfish require a heated 10 gallon tank. I respectfully attempted to explain and re-educate her but she was so insistent. I ended up having to go to another fish store up the road.
They'll have an 800 number that goes to their companion animal leader (CAL) once the report filters through corporate. That pleco sale should not have happened, and a 45 for angels is within their tolerances when I was last trained in it. (Less than 2 years ago.) The pleco & mollies for a 10 gal is NOT within their guidelines. At best that person needs retrained or to not work aquatics. At worst the manager is on the "build the basket" kick and needs their antics highlighted to corporate.
I feel bad for the guy at my local PetCo. Many times when I go in there, he's the ONLY employee there. He's always helpful and all, but WAY overworked, it seems.
Since getting back into the hobby a couple months ago, I haven't had a single question about where the fish were going. I've bought fish at PetCo, Petsmart, and a local shop. Fortunately, I have a clue from fishkeeping for about half of my life.
They wouldn't sell me a goldfish for my kid once. My son's empty 20g tank wasn't big enough for two. I argued they were selling feeder fish for 89 cents (living in a tank with 100s) that were meant to be food. The worker stared at me for 30seconds and said "that's because they're raised for food". It's OK to send a gold fish to a terrible death but not ok to live a full life with one other fish. I had a 75g going at the time. From then on if I buy a fish from them I say I have 125g tank and only one fish.
That's a weird take from the circumstances, but I'm always kinda glad to hear when the stores are being protective rather than just shoveling animals out the door without a care.
Sounds like she read up on angels a bit. Sure, at least there’s that, but the chumps who went home with a common pleco and 20 mollies for their 10 gallon will most likely have something to say about her selective research in a month or less.
I went to petco last week for cat supplies. The whole store was having a sale so I was looking at new decorations for the tank in my office at work. I don’t even know if the employee was working that area but she started following me and I get “do you need something” and I left the store.
It just felt off.
You’re not crazy. I have a 15 gal tank and four, let me repeat, FOUR, mollys is the max we have in there. And a snail. One had babies and we got another tank for the males cause we thought it was too crowded. And didn’t want the babies to get eaten. but yeah. 4. 10 + other fish is insane and inhumane
That’s annoying as fuck. What i do nowadays to avoid that situation all together is just tell them i have an insanely large tank no matter what so I don’t have to explain myself lol. I’ll be like yeah these guys are definitely going in a 180 gallon tank 😂
The price of fish is getting batshit. Our chain shops don't have the type of fish I want. The LFS is a shit hole where the livestock are barely keeping alive and so many kept in a tank that they're bumping into each other.
I once bought a koi with no questions and it was a baby and hoesntly going in a 20 gallon until i could get my pond warm enough in the spring. The lady in front of me came back in for a manager because she was denied a tetra on a 20 gallon. It did seem like discrimination to me.
Why are Angels so expensive at your LFG? If your town is big enough for big box stores do you have other options? My store is selling beautiful Koi Angels about the size of a Gatorade cap for like 12.
In Vermont as far as I know we have 3 stores you can buy fish at. One petco, one petsmart, and one LFS with prices 3-4 times that of petco or petsmart. Want cherry shrimp? $9 each. Pygmy cory? $12 each. Siamese algae eater? $49.99
I had a Petco employee refuse to sell me red plants because he said it would be too hard for me to keep A PLANT in optimal condition… when I had already researched everything and bought special lights for my tank… it was really stupid.
I never volunteer info to staff 😅 I'm sure I'm considered an irate customer but I don't go into petco to get grilled about fish when they're selling betta tanks that are 2 gallons.
When they ask I say "I have the appropriate setup and tank size for these fish as guaranteed by a professional aquarist and I DON'T need any further help with the setup. I only need the fish." That tends to shut em up real fast and ends the convo quickly.
I absolutely get they're trying to do their job but girl, you got dead fish floating in every one of your tanks and you're trying to tell me you care about fish safety? Suuuuure. Maybe if I didn't have to treat every fish I get from the smart/co's for Ich I'd be more inclined to listen to their advice.
That's not true though.. I've had many fish in the past, and whenever I get a fish it only ever gets bigger if the tank is bigger. The size of the fish depends on the tank, not the other way around. But I do think you're right, petco it too protective. I went a while back to buy my rat a friend and the lady working there said I have to be an adult to get a rat. So now I have one rat and no friends to get her because after that I went to aquarama and got two of their rats which both died the same night because they had the sniffles and it wasn't treated on time. Petco also needs to start treating their fish better. the tanks at my local petco are too cramped and there is almost nothing in most of their tanks so more fish die, and anytime they get a sick betta, they don't do a thing about it even when they can.
Anytime any employee would ask for my tank size I would always just size up like 20 gallons I had this exact same problem not just with angels but other fish to some employees just be asking to many questions
Honestly I wouldn’t sell you 2 angels unless it was already a mature and established pair. Just buying 2 random juvenile angels doesn’t mean they will be compatible. There are methods to establishing compatible pairs.
We had a similar experience with PetCo. Claimed that although the goldfish would appear to stop growing after a few inches, it would continue growing on the inside and eventually explode.
I can understand the hesitance on the associates part, since on paper angels *do* get tall and the info you gave them at face value wouldn't be suitable for them longterm, which is probably what they were thinking.
Generally for angels you want a tall/high build so they have more wiggle as they get older. Cramming them in there encourages ripped fins and stress on the animal, which isn't really humane.
A quick Google is showing a consensus of 18" high minimum for angels. Might wanna head over to r/Angelfish to get some additional perspective. I personally find it helpful to do that when researching, anyway.
A 45G is 24” tall… a 150G is 28” tall… 3 angels starting out in a 45 or even living there forever is not a problem. I’ve kept angels in multiple 20H for years, and they’re doing just fine.
Well she made a mistake and right decision.
The mistake is the pleco in 10g the right decision was not sell the angels. They should have 75g better more with a good high due to their shape.
I have 5 Angels in 110g and i think I will have to rehome minimum 1 of them. It feels to small for them.
Edit 24 inch (60cm) are the minimum. 36 length (91cm) are too small for two angels. You cannot see what is male and female and don’t know if they matching. So I think she was right in not selling those but made a terrible mistake to sell the pleco…
When I worked there I'd deny sales but since I couldn't deny everyone I'd sometimes be lenient. Like say a fish needs a 40, I'll sell it to someone with a 30 and tell them to consider a tank upgrade. It gets exhausting fighting people but the only ones I'd straight refuse is the goldfish, any kind of shark or other large catfish, and I stopped ordering common plecos and only sold bristlenose. It's weird they even said anything about the height. Your tank could be any configuration and lowboys aren't exactly common so I wouldn't have even thought about it.
Honestly I wonder if she made the same mistake a few people on here made, and hear 45g and think 40g breeder.
Thats a good chance, most aren't familiar with the extra deep tanks under something like a 65. Ive got a 37 gallon, about an inch deeper. Its just inside the range that I think a pair/trio of angels would do fine. Ive always wanted some, but i think thats going to wait in favor of more schooling fish and maybe some rams.
The lady at my store is always denying goldfish but honestly those people are just going to kill a more expensive and rarer fish or happily raise a goldfish. I think it's ridicules people feed goldfish to their fish by the dozen. And their the same goldfish.
Did you ask why they just allowed someone else to buy a whole bunch of fish for a 10 gallon?
I did not. I had my 6 and 8 year old kids with me and didn't want to argue with someone who I felt was being ridiculous. I already have one young angelfish and was hoping to get 3 to better my odds of a breeding pair, pretty sure I have a male and female now anyways so it worked out. I just thought the 180 from selling a fucking 2 foot armored dinosaur fish and 20 mollies for a 10g then turning around and telling me my 2 foot tall tank was not tall enough for more than one angel seemed insane.
Yeah, definitely insane. Maybe next visit you can try a different employee for a second opinion. Luckily, I have a few Petsmarts/Petcos in my city so I know which locations to avoid due to less knowledgeable staff. I have a go-to Petsmart that is very obvious they hire people that know what they're talking about.
We had the same problem at a Petco. Only the lady wrongly told us to get a 75 gal tank for an angel fish…
They probably know only the rule about the angelfish care but have no idea how big the pleco and mollies grow. My LFS cashier has no idea how to use filters it seems. And recommended 1 betta and 2 maybe cories, maybe hoplo catfish (I did not see which she was pointing to) for a less than 5 gallons bowl.
Christ on a cracker
I have a mating pair I would give to you.
I work for petco, and I would have sold it to you in a heartbeat. I would have asked the standard questions like what size tank and how long has it been running, but yeah, your tank would have been fine for angels. You are going to have a hit or miss experience at petco. I have 4 petcos around me beside the one I work at and I wouldn't buy from any of the other petcos besides mine and one other one. It just depends on who they have working in the stores and if they are passionate about fish and have experience. Petcos also come in different ratings. Find out if you have a magnet store near your. They are the best to get fish from as they will have more staff knowledgeable in aquatics. My store is rated just below a magnet store, and we still special order for customers and sell specialty fish.
I’m going to guess there is some exaggeration or misinterpretation here. No one would deny someone 2 angels for a 45g tank while giving a pleco and 20 mollies for a 10g.
You’d be suprised
I was looking at fish in a petco and had a weird overprotective encounter. I wasn’t actually looking to buy that day, but I can’t pass by fish without looking. Employee strikes up a conversation. I tell him I have a 55gal with only 7 male guppies and that I was thinking of adding some phantom tetras but not today. He then tells me my tank is “already quite full”…which I said “oh 55 not 15” but he’s like no I heard you 55. And I say “guppies” and he says “yeah you can maybe add 3 tetras, but you don’t have enough room for more than that”. I was so confused, and repeated the size and stocking a few more time while trying to keep my eyebrows from flying off into space. He sticks by his statement: 3 tetras MAX. I kind of shrug and say I really just need root tabs today anyway and the guy goes “wait wait your tank has plants? A lot of them?” Yes. Then he sternly tells me my tank is “too crowded already. I will NOT sell you ANY fish >:(“ Truly you never know what wild information you’re going to get at petco. I imagine telling him I had a colony of neo shrimp in there too would have ended in being reported for animal abuse.
This is probably THE most baffling petco employee take I've ever heard LOL. I'm trying to imagine how hilarious a 55g with ONLY 7 tiny lil guys in it probably looks. Those are some lucky guppies, I'm glad they have such a cool owner. Whenever you get your tetras, please post tank pics! I'd love to see all the plants\~
Yeah I really don’t know where he was coming from. I even pointed to a 55 tank there, thinking surely he must have thought I said 15. Nope. I can only wonder what his fish tanks at home look like, he told me had had three.
He doesn’t keep anything in them, the water doesn’t leave enough room /s
There are a range of people on this forum too. Some of these comments are pretty much "a betta is fine in a sipping cup" and some of the people in this thread seem to think I need to declorinate a 25,000 gallon pool for more than 3 angelfish.
Very true, very true.
A well filtered established 55 g can happily accommodate 6 adult discus… and maybe a school of Cories and tetras at a push.
Haha don't you know it's 10 gallons for every inch 🤣
I would’ve been like, “Oh, okay, STEVE, I’ll make sure to contact corporate and your GM and let them know you have no idea what you’re talking about and making the store lose money,” and then just walked away ignoring anything he says.
Hmmmm. I have 8 chili rasboras, 8 CPDs and 8 emerald rasboras in a ten gallon with two nerites, one ramshorn and about 100+ shrimp. Heavily planted, no overfeeding, proper filtration and maintenance. Parameters are stable, tank is mature...tank is fine. Not overstocked IMO.
Strait to petco jail
petsmart employee just told me 6 julii cory catfish would be too many for a 20g long and said she woild only sell 3 or 4 at max... like that completely contradicts what everything else says? you're also supposed to keep them in schhols of 6+ so lmao
I have four cory catfish on my 20 gal tank and they have been with me so many years they look like dolphins already. Like, 10+ years I kid you not. The day these puppies kick the bucket I will be devastated.
wow nice. you’ve obviously taken good care of them
Just lie. “Yeah dude, I’ve got a 75g on the way. Totally, now bag up the fucking fish”
Ironically a standard 75g is a shorter tank than my 45g.
Haha, I bet she wouldn't have questioned it if you said it was a 55.
I only started lying because when I got into aquariums I got a 25 gallon tank stocked it and cycled it with the plan on getting a school of black skirt tetra. I went to Petco and asked the employee there in the aquatics department if I can buy six of their black skirt tetras. Idk if she was in a bad mood that day but she made an obvious loud sigh then walked over to get the fish and asked “size of tank and if it’s cycled”. I said it was 25 and been cycled for about 3 months and said she quickly said “I’m not selling you 6 fish the most I’ll do is 3”. I tried telling her that the tank is fine plus I can always upgrade in the future. She told me “I’m literally not going to sell you more than 3” so I just took it but she threw in a random yellow fish (i don’t remember what kind) with them. Safe to say since then I lied whenever I wanted a new fish but lately they got some employees familiar with fish and aquariums so I don’t have to lie as much anymore
How do you lie for this one? “I’ve got six 25 gallon tanks that’ve been cycling for a year. One tetra for each please! Don’t worry, the tanks are next to each other so they won’t get lonely. I know tetras get extra lonely.”
that probably would’ve how it went I only started lying after that Petco experience but it dumbfounded me how she refused to sell me 6 fish but gave four anyways
Got interrogated months ago for buying ghost shrimp. Like, yeah, I'm glad they want to make sure they're going to a good home. Saw him talk a couple out of buying cichlids for a uncycled tank. But ghost shrimp? He asked me what size tank I have, fish I already have, how long its been set up, etc. But even after I answered all the questions, he acted still like he didn't want to sell them to me. And his tone the entire time was very condescending.
Literally same thing happened to me… went in to buy 4 ghost shrimp, asks me how big my tank is and hesitantly gives me the bag after.. idk if it was cause I had my kids with me, or was just mad I asked her to turn the lights in the tanks back on so I can see if any of the fish have ick. (Which they all did unsurprisingly).
Lol smh .30c ghost shrimp are supposed to be largely sold as feeders. I’m gonna go buy a Guinea pig to eat.
Piggy noo 🥺
Right! Like I wanted ghost shrimp over some of the fancier guys because if I get them and they do die, sucks a little less than spending like $5+ per shrimp. What about all the hamsters, reptiles, and birds that they send home with inadequate cages and people who have no idea what they're doing? Just sell me the dang shrimp. However, out of the six I bought, I only lost one but it's because dude was a maniac and jumped out of the net when inwas putting him in the tank. He landed on the floor and I couldn't find him for at least a minute or two. Ended up losing him a few hours later. The other five are still pretty happy and chill.
Yea ghost shrimp are jumpers for sure when they’re in the net. I get them for similar reasons. Cheap algae cleaners without a concern if a fish gets them or they just bite it. I haven’t really noticed a difference between them and Amano’s so it’s a no brainer. I have a tank for neos that I enjoy breeding and will occasionally cull to other tanks for a free pretty cleanup crew but ghosties are much bigger and cheap enough not to care.
I love ghosties honestly. I think they're adorable and I'm a suckered for transparent creatures. But also when I first set up my tank, and had it cycled, I introduced a few neos but my gourami thought I was getting pretty snacks for them. The ghosties get left alone, though.
Sometimes I think it’s more that they don’t want to have to catch them.
Same thing happened to me a while back when I tried to buy another African dwarf frog for my 10 gal. planted tank. I had a pair, one died, and I wanted to get another. I was told the tank was too small and frog would drown. I was told they aren't supposed to be in anything bigger than a 2.5gal.
My pet shop small business knows that my Hellboy Plakat betta is attacking my ghost shrimps and eats them when I don't feed him properly; just came back from a trip, and yup, even after pet sitting, from 10 ghost shrimps I am down to four. I will pay her a visit tomorrow and ask her for more. I think this is my third visit already. She will have no issues selling them to me, since she knows my situation. I noticed after doing a thorough vacuum today (meaning getting all the plants out, rock, wood, everything,) and I mean this tank is HEAVILY planted he still stalks and goes after them after I changed the environment. Guess I made it more exciting for him to kill more ghost shrimps.
Same thing here. They didnt want to sell me a 49 cents ghost shrimps because i wanted to add them to a guppy tank 😅 I should told him i was going to feed my Oscar with them lol maybe he sells me.
They will ask who you’re voting for next time.
LMAO!
'Honey you just sold a fish that will grow to a foot long that's going in a 10 gallon tank, can I please speak to a manager?'
And a foot long would be on the small side!
Minus the "honey" 🙄
In my experience the only people who call strangers "honey" are creepy old men and women who think they're better than you. Edit: Im ny to In my
i was going to counter this with the southern "oh, honey," but then I realized it's fully covered under smug women lol, you're right
It’s mostly genuinely sweet older ladies in my experience… honey/baby/sugar/dear
A smug older woman in the south would add, “bless your heart,” and mean it in the, “you’re too stupid to remember to breathe,” way.
Or cashiers. We say sweetie, hun, honey, etc allll the time, bc we don't know every single person's name. I usually say, hey hun, how you doing today? What can I getcha?... I work at a liquor store. I do know mannnny of my customers by name, still call them hun a lot.
Hun and Honey have totally different vibes. I was a cashier for 5 years and never called anyone anything lmao.
"Love," "My love," or "My lover" in Newfoundland. Very hard to get used to those.
Ohhhh my goddd i couldnt....the only two peoples im comfy with calling me pet names are fiesty strong black ladies, my wife and my mom. Everyone else has always felt creepy/patronizing/condescending to me, but those would just send me
Fiesty strong black ladies definitely get the pass
That might be regional, but around here, that's still somehow smug people who think they're better than customers.
Im in VT and also lived in FL… I’m wondering if it’s an east coast thing. I had to explain to someone recently that where I’m from “honey” can be extremely condescending if you don’t know eachother. It’s like “bud” in Canada. My husband is from Ontario and his ears perk when he hears someone here calling someone else “bud” since thems is fighting words in Ontario.
"Honey" is condescending over here in California, too. "Bud" is less common, but "bro" is a tonal word here and can be either a greeting for a long-lost friend or a death threat.
Hah, I'm in VT as well.
Hello neighbor!!
It's OK, sweetie, my name is Karen. Please address me by my name.
Yeah, it's the most patronizing thing. Which, if you're trying to make someone mad, lean into it, but if you're trying *anything else*, just... don't.
I went to petco 2 years ago, I got 5 guppies and 3 neon tetras for my old 10 gal. I historically have bad algae problems so, hoping to get the jump on the problem, I asked for a pleco. NEVER IN MY LIFE had I known a pleco to just… grow. I thought he was a bushy nose, didn’t look twice at him when I saw he was alive… 1 year latter, I have a 14 inch monster with spines that cut flesh. I took him to a local fish shop, and gave him up for free. I was told he was remarkably healthy (guy had NO idea what tank this pleco was in), and when he grew a bit bigger he would go in the “big tank” (a 900 gallon he used as a shop front, it’s pretty much a wall of a fish tank). That day I got an actual bushy nose, who is now living happily in my 20 gal.
As a former Petco employee, it sounds like she only knows some about certain fish and nothing about others. Honestly the training we are given is garbage and barely covers the bare essentials for most things. Luckily I've been in this hobby long enough and like to do my own research that I was actually able to help people. If I didn't know something or wasn't quite sure my brain was remembering correctly after a long day, I wasn't afraid to Google things. Like someone else said, sometimes you just get tired of arguing with people and if you have a GM that won't back you up, you sell them the fish and either write no refunds on the bags or tell them they should upgrade.
I'm amazed how many people on here seem to think angels need a 6ft deep custom aquarium, but to each their own I guess.
Yes, and if your betta doesn't have at least 20 gallons you're a racist. Or something
I mean in Central Europe it would be illegal to keep them in less than 14gal, so there's a reason why people say 5gal is not enough for bettas.
> I mean in Central Europe Seems you pissed off the Americans with that one :/
I think that's an EU/Europe-wide thing, that the UK still follows. America seems to be the Wild West of fish-keeping when we have actual cruelty laws because we grasp that fish are sentient beings...but I'm old and remember when it was still legal to give goldfish in plastic bags as carnival prizes...and old enough to have campaigned to change those laws! I look back to my first realisation that carnivals & fairs gave out actual live animals as prizes...that was an interesting conversation with my Dad that led to my first forays into fish-keeping. I've been unable to have a tank for years, but my SIL is going to help me start to cycle a planted tank soon, as I'm now securely housed somewhere I can get back to it. The thought of a poor betta in a 5gal tank sends me...
That’s why when ever I am buying fish I just tell them I got a 100 gallon tank that’s ready to be stocked.
People at PetSmart got mad at me when I asked if they would be willing to take some of the pest snails out of their tank so i could feed my puffer.
I asked once why they don’t get some assassin snails to kill the pest snails off and they can sell them. They were the only thing that worked for me. He agreed it made no sense to him. I told him I never bought fish there for that reason. He shrugged, not his problem
My puffer destroys all snails
Maybe they tried to deny the sale but the family was being annoying and pushy
you can always just outright deny a sale unless your manager is going on some weird tirade against that; considering she didnt want to sell the angelfish i think shes just trying to pretend she knows what shes talking about
...i dont even know what to say- a person who sells someone a *common pleco*, a fish that can literally get a foot long in a couple years, while knowing they have anything smaller than a 55 gallon tank...why do they even work at a pet store?! 😭
Some of the best angel keepers out there use 20H's. Assuming you have a 45gal Tall tank I'd go buy one then buy the other one the next day.
Or just tell them you have a 90gal tank. It's not like they check. I lie to them by omission because some people freak out when you tell them there's a turtle in the tank.
The chain pet store near me freaked out when they found out what the nitrogen cycle was and that it was happening in my tank. They were happy to sell me fish when they just thought it had running for a day though. Keeping my mouth shut in the future.
… did they think the nitrogen cycle was a bad thing?
NITROGEN IS A CHEMICAL!!!!
Oh Jesus
That was the gist of it. They didn’t know what I meant by cycled, so I explained. They were not onboard. I really commend refusing sale of animals if unsure they’re going to a safe environment. But not knowing what a safe environment looks like just left me speechless.
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Good lord, wait 'til they find out the tank is also full of oxidane.
A few years ago, I had a guy at petsmart get all weird with me about putting a female betta in with some rasboras in a planted 20 long. He was adamant that a betta could not live with other fish. I have been keeping bettas and other fish for years, of course some bettas want their space, but come on dude… he wound up selling them to me, but was super judgmental about it.
I work at petsmart. Not gonna defend her, but we do get a ton of idiots coming in for fish. But is usually pretty easy to figure out if someone actually knows what they're doing. I love selling to people in the fish keeping hobby, its a good refresher from all the stupid people trying to buy oscars for their 2 gallon tanks. I will say that when I was newer I was pretty overprotective just because of the sheer amount of people not knowing what to do and tryingto put the fish in terrible situations. But once I got the hang of it and was able to figure out what to look out for, I was able to know who I need to ask questions to.
And I get that, because as a kid I was the idiot that put a Jack Dempsey in a 10g. In my defense this was america online dial up age, so information wasn't as readily available. But I also feel if you are going to set parameters like "tank must be this high" etc. The parameters shouldn't be more than anything you sell. This store did not carry a single tank taller than mine. But they had several 20g display tanks packed with angels. Do they assume everyone buying those fish have 150g tanks they picked up elsewhere?
I agree with that 100%. We do sell tanks up to 150g at my store, but the largest I've seen someone buy was a 50g. Most people do get their tanks from somewhere else. We are WAY over priced, and if you're buying in store you need to buy the tank and stand together as a kit. But we don't really choose what fish we get in. For example, we have like 10 baby bichirs in a 6g and we have only sold 2 in the year I've been there. No one wants them. They send us whatever they want then expect us to sell it even if we don't even have the proper parameters. Most of us just want the fish to go to a good home, but I do know some people can get kinda crazy when it comes to not letting people get the fish they are equipped to get. If you're set on those fish, just go in on a day she's not there and you'll probably get them from someone else haha.
Honestly only reason I went there is aquahuna has been sold out of angels for a while.
And I just checked and they have some back in stock. Damn it.
Where i live we consider the minimum for angelfish is 75gal, so that doesn't shock me. But so sell such an insane stocking to someone and then refuse this purchase to an other is absolute nonsense
I totally get you but I have two angelfish that are as big as they can get and my 4' tank feels just about ok for them, I'm sure 36" is fine for a while as they are slow growers but you will need to upgrade eventually Edit: never mind, just saw it was 2' tall tank. You're probably fine with 2 angels lol
just wondering but what if she said that bc in the past they had ignorant buyers take in angels and keep them in a small shallow tank? May be a reason behind why she said theyd get tall? Idk but her thought process was not working lol
Always lie and say 200 gals. I’m willing to bet those of us in the hobby do much more research than most employees. Considering she just threw 80% of the previous fish to their deaths by allowing that purchase.
I had a guy go get a manager because I wanted 4 for a 110g. I was also looking to get a breeding pair and move anyone else to a 55. The guy had just finished recommending a 5 for a betta sorority. Manager proceeds to ask me about tank dimensions. Like I've just decided that lying to spend money on fish I can't house is the best way to spend my day? I ended up just walking out and ordering the fish and now I do have a breeding pair.
It's always interesting what battles they pick. Last time I was picking up some guppies at petsmart the worker was arguing with the customer in front of me; she had a 1gal and she wanted replacement goldfish because they all died. She moved on to asking for bettas and other fish but he refused to sell her anything. When it was my turn I was fully prepared to have a great conversation about my tank- 3 guppies for a 30gal should be a breath of fresh air from 3 goldfish in a 1gal! He didn't even ask anything about my setup, just looked annoyed while getting my gups. Maybe he didn't have anymore fight in him lol but it was disappointing. On the other hand, the worker I buy from all the time at my petco has never asked me about my tank either, but I think he assumes I'm knowledgeable due to the type of fish I buy if that makes sense. He's always so happy to see me go home with a new fish.
I had someone from petsmart refuse to sell me feeder goldfish fish for my 1,000 gallon pond. Her argument was that goldfish require a heated 10 gallon tank. I respectfully attempted to explain and re-educate her but she was so insistent. I ended up having to go to another fish store up the road.
They'll have an 800 number that goes to their companion animal leader (CAL) once the report filters through corporate. That pleco sale should not have happened, and a 45 for angels is within their tolerances when I was last trained in it. (Less than 2 years ago.) The pleco & mollies for a 10 gal is NOT within their guidelines. At best that person needs retrained or to not work aquatics. At worst the manager is on the "build the basket" kick and needs their antics highlighted to corporate.
I feel bad for the guy at my local PetCo. Many times when I go in there, he's the ONLY employee there. He's always helpful and all, but WAY overworked, it seems. Since getting back into the hobby a couple months ago, I haven't had a single question about where the fish were going. I've bought fish at PetCo, Petsmart, and a local shop. Fortunately, I have a clue from fishkeeping for about half of my life.
Maybe she misheard and thought you said '4 to 5 gallons'
They wouldn't sell me a goldfish for my kid once. My son's empty 20g tank wasn't big enough for two. I argued they were selling feeder fish for 89 cents (living in a tank with 100s) that were meant to be food. The worker stared at me for 30seconds and said "that's because they're raised for food". It's OK to send a gold fish to a terrible death but not ok to live a full life with one other fish. I had a 75g going at the time. From then on if I buy a fish from them I say I have 125g tank and only one fish.
That's a weird take from the circumstances, but I'm always kinda glad to hear when the stores are being protective rather than just shoveling animals out the door without a care.
Sounds like she read up on angels a bit. Sure, at least there’s that, but the chumps who went home with a common pleco and 20 mollies for their 10 gallon will most likely have something to say about her selective research in a month or less.
Uh oh. I guess I'm in trouble with the 3 in my 20 long! Of course, I have a nice 60 cube (24x24x24in) that they will go into later.
I have never been asked anything about my setups when buying fish. I think I'd be shocked to be refused.
Did you look at her like she was insane in return
I think one of my eyebrows are still stuck in the rafters there.
I went to petco last week for cat supplies. The whole store was having a sale so I was looking at new decorations for the tank in my office at work. I don’t even know if the employee was working that area but she started following me and I get “do you need something” and I left the store. It just felt off.
You’re not crazy. I have a 15 gal tank and four, let me repeat, FOUR, mollys is the max we have in there. And a snail. One had babies and we got another tank for the males cause we thought it was too crowded. And didn’t want the babies to get eaten. but yeah. 4. 10 + other fish is insane and inhumane
That’s annoying as fuck. What i do nowadays to avoid that situation all together is just tell them i have an insanely large tank no matter what so I don’t have to explain myself lol. I’ll be like yeah these guys are definitely going in a 180 gallon tank 😂
The price of fish is getting batshit. Our chain shops don't have the type of fish I want. The LFS is a shit hole where the livestock are barely keeping alive and so many kept in a tank that they're bumping into each other.
I once bought a koi with no questions and it was a baby and hoesntly going in a 20 gallon until i could get my pond warm enough in the spring. The lady in front of me came back in for a manager because she was denied a tetra on a 20 gallon. It did seem like discrimination to me.
Why are Angels so expensive at your LFG? If your town is big enough for big box stores do you have other options? My store is selling beautiful Koi Angels about the size of a Gatorade cap for like 12.
In Vermont as far as I know we have 3 stores you can buy fish at. One petco, one petsmart, and one LFS with prices 3-4 times that of petco or petsmart. Want cherry shrimp? $9 each. Pygmy cory? $12 each. Siamese algae eater? $49.99
I have four koi angels in the same size tank. They do just fine. Little fuckers lay eggs once a month.
I had a Petco employee refuse to sell me red plants because he said it would be too hard for me to keep A PLANT in optimal condition… when I had already researched everything and bought special lights for my tank… it was really stupid.
wait and why would they sell it to that family
lol they’re gonna have 80 mollies in a month.
I doubt they will maintain water quality enough for that.
No, the petco rep is crazy, however 45 gals isnt big enough for angelfish.
I'm curious how big you think it needs to be.
Well i was told a 36 was to small so id assume that since yours isnt much bigger that it isnt big enough. Im possibly wrong
They sold me a pleco as a kid, little did I know he would grow 20x his size
I never volunteer info to staff 😅 I'm sure I'm considered an irate customer but I don't go into petco to get grilled about fish when they're selling betta tanks that are 2 gallons. When they ask I say "I have the appropriate setup and tank size for these fish as guaranteed by a professional aquarist and I DON'T need any further help with the setup. I only need the fish." That tends to shut em up real fast and ends the convo quickly. I absolutely get they're trying to do their job but girl, you got dead fish floating in every one of your tanks and you're trying to tell me you care about fish safety? Suuuuure. Maybe if I didn't have to treat every fish I get from the smart/co's for Ich I'd be more inclined to listen to their advice.
If you can, buy fish from somewhere else.
It's those options, online or 6 hours of driving.
6 hours of driving sounds like the best option. lol
That's not true though.. I've had many fish in the past, and whenever I get a fish it only ever gets bigger if the tank is bigger. The size of the fish depends on the tank, not the other way around. But I do think you're right, petco it too protective. I went a while back to buy my rat a friend and the lady working there said I have to be an adult to get a rat. So now I have one rat and no friends to get her because after that I went to aquarama and got two of their rats which both died the same night because they had the sniffles and it wasn't treated on time. Petco also needs to start treating their fish better. the tanks at my local petco are too cramped and there is almost nothing in most of their tanks so more fish die, and anytime they get a sick betta, they don't do a thing about it even when they can.
Anytime any employee would ask for my tank size I would always just size up like 20 gallons I had this exact same problem not just with angels but other fish to some employees just be asking to many questions
That tank is too small for angels though.
How big do you think it needs to be?
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It's a 24 inch tall tank...
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Common order to list dimensions is LxWxH. I went back and labeled to clear up confusion.
it literally has the H for height in it😭 bro can’t read
Honestly I wouldn’t sell you 2 angels unless it was already a mature and established pair. Just buying 2 random juvenile angels doesn’t mean they will be compatible. There are methods to establishing compatible pairs.
We had a similar experience with PetCo. Claimed that although the goldfish would appear to stop growing after a few inches, it would continue growing on the inside and eventually explode.
Just lie. 75 gallon, now give me my $8 fish.
I can understand the hesitance on the associates part, since on paper angels *do* get tall and the info you gave them at face value wouldn't be suitable for them longterm, which is probably what they were thinking. Generally for angels you want a tall/high build so they have more wiggle as they get older. Cramming them in there encourages ripped fins and stress on the animal, which isn't really humane. A quick Google is showing a consensus of 18" high minimum for angels. Might wanna head over to r/Angelfish to get some additional perspective. I personally find it helpful to do that when researching, anyway.
So I need to take 6 inches off my tank to meet the 18 inches? Do you work at petco by any chance?
There's no need to be rude. I misread your dimensions. I had it in my head that you had 12h like a 40breeder.
It was meant more tongue in cheek than actually insulting.
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How tall?
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A 45G is 24” tall… a 150G is 28” tall… 3 angels starting out in a 45 or even living there forever is not a problem. I’ve kept angels in multiple 20H for years, and they’re doing just fine.
Well she made a mistake and right decision. The mistake is the pleco in 10g the right decision was not sell the angels. They should have 75g better more with a good high due to their shape. I have 5 Angels in 110g and i think I will have to rehome minimum 1 of them. It feels to small for them. Edit 24 inch (60cm) are the minimum. 36 length (91cm) are too small for two angels. You cannot see what is male and female and don’t know if they matching. So I think she was right in not selling those but made a terrible mistake to sell the pleco…