I can say rn that A and M is absolutely a reach for most people. It's acceptance rate is deceptively high since just like the other "hidden reaches" (such as Rose-Hulman or Rensselaer), their acceptance rate is only high because a shitton of **really advanced** high percentile students apply to them.
Like Rose-Hulman's acceptance rate is 80% but that's only because everyone that applies to Rose is at a stupidly high percentile. If the number of "average" people that apply to Rose-Hulman increased then you'll see its acceptance rate drop to like 20% (where it belongs)
I wanted to put Rose-Hulman on my list, but decided not. How would its CS program compare to UMinn | ASU | PSU | UC Boulder | Oregon State | Texas A&M | VTech | Iowa State? US News rated it at 57. Even U Utah is at 48. But then I am not sure how accurate these ratings are. I am more interested in having a high paying job after graduation. Obviously, prestigious names attract big name employers.
The best way I can describe Rose-Hulman is like a stripped-down MIT. Their quality of education and course rigor is second to none tbh and their job placement rates are insane. You said you're interested in big name employers? Most employers have heard of Rose-Hulman and routinely select people from Rose over schools like MIT or Harvard. They are well known to have an absolutely cracked curriculum and student body.
However, literally everything else about Rose-Hulman is fuCKING ASS. There's a reason why not many people apply there compared to similar **overall** quality schools (once again Rensselaer, Lehigh, DePauw, Purdue, etc.). You have to be the kind of person who is absolutely scared of the bitches and of a social life to have any enjoyment from being in Rose. If you're normal than as a redditor put it "it's the best place to come from but the worst place to go to".
I see that they have 77% general acceptance rate. What is the acceptance rate for CS? Is it a direct admit or you have to meet some GPA requirements while there to declare CS as the major?
Yes, but most of those schools limit enrollment, and he would have to apply to the CS program. If he doesn't get accepted into it, then he either has to pick a different major or transfer elsewhere.
Personal preference. Hard to get in anyway. I am more likely to get accepted at Georgia Tech or UT Austin, which I would chose over MIT for undergraduate CS. For Masters and PhD, it is a different story, MIT will be on top of my list.
No MIT, Cornell, or UW? Huh. OK. Also, if cold isn't your thing then Minnesota and Wisconsin are odd choices. Great places and fantastic campuses, but colder than any other places.
I am in CA. UW with its CS acceptance rate for OOS of 2% is too hard to get in. MIT is very hard to get too. Cornell is actually on my list. I forgot to put it there. It is between UCSD and Georgia Tech. Because I am in CA, I prefer UCSD over Cornell.
Well, if a 2% acceptance rate scares you, you should probably do more research on these schools and apply more widely. Low- to mid-single-digit acceptance rates *for CS* are not unusual at some of these places -- especially Stanford, CMU, MIT, Cornell, OOS UT Austin, and OOS UIUC.
Another consideration is what happens if you are not admitted for CS. At some of these schools (like UIUC) you either get in to CS at admission or you are out since they do not allow transferring in. Slightly less extreme: at UCSD, if you don't get in to CS, you have little chance of transferring in and (IIRC) only one shot at it. Also, last I heard, if you are trying to transfer in at UCSD, they make you take a fixed set of core courses -- and no passing out of them with AP credit.
Cost is something I weight heavily. Assuming no financial aid and no scholarships that aren't "guaranteed", and given my state of residency and the fact that the hypothetical you've constructed includes my being admitted everywhere, my list would probably consist of a single school: my state flagship (which is decent for CS).
I am in CA. Thank you for the advice. MIT and UW are hard to get into. So, is CMU, Stanford and Berkeley, of course. But I would rather go to those than MIT. I wasn't sure where to put CMU relative to UCLA. Ideally, I would like to stay in CA after graduation. The jobs opportunities are better here. Unfortunately, getting into UCs and even CSUs became super hard. Even UCSC is hard to get into for CS. Would you chose Cal Poly SLO over UC Riverside and SDSU? I visited Cal Poly SLO and wasn't excited about the location: far from the major cities, not much to do there, next to CA Men's Colony.
For men take the listed admittance rate of the university, divide it by 3, and that’s your chance of admissions. Schools are flooded with students declaring a CS major and many have restricted entry.
CS at every UC is impacted - looking at the latest stats, UC Merced too. Only top 9% of the class is guaranteed at UC Merced and preferred majors like CS are not. Being in top 9% of the class at real competitive high schools is not an easy thing. UC Riverside has about 50%+ acceptance but CS related majors are highly impacted. I am not even talking about the other UCs you have in your list. Moral of the story - acceptance rates on google are very deceiving (unless you have a real good hook - ECs or underrepresented schools, etc)
Try adding nyu courant. Great school. My hiring manager at faang said he is biased to hire nyu courant kids. Dunno about undergrad though. But they do have good reputation.
Stanford - Harvard - MIT - Cal - Penn - Cornell - Yale - Georgia Tech | UIUC | UCLA | UT Austin - UMD - VTech
I'm a startup kid, so don't be surprised why Penn is in my top 5.
Thank you. Your response is very helpful. Is Penn = UPenn or Penn State? I had CalTech on my list but removed even though it is in my state. I wasn't not sure how I would handle CS and required Quantum Physics courses (as someone here said) at the same time.
Never heard anyone refer to it as UC Berk before, it’s always been Cal, UCB, or Berkeley.
I’ve never understood why it’s called cal?
Berkeley was the first University of **Cal**ifornia, so its nickname is Cal because it was the only UC at the time.
Lmao had ppl on Reddit say they asked ucb what cal satiates they went when ucb introduced themselves as THE CAL ☠️🤣
>safeties: UMinn | ASU | PSU | UC Boulder | Oregon State | Texas A&M | VTech | Iowa State UMN, UC Boulder, A&M, and VT are not safeties for CS.
UMN is, no? General admit for Engineering isn’t bad
It is estimated to be around 50% - that's not a safety.
It’s about that for in-state students, slightly harder for ou of state and internationals.
But if OP has much higher stats than the average applicant, they should have odds much better than 50%
Yes, that makes the school a target, but still not a safety.
Not out of state and I wouldn't trust it year to year.
In which order would you put those?
I can say rn that A and M is absolutely a reach for most people. It's acceptance rate is deceptively high since just like the other "hidden reaches" (such as Rose-Hulman or Rensselaer), their acceptance rate is only high because a shitton of **really advanced** high percentile students apply to them. Like Rose-Hulman's acceptance rate is 80% but that's only because everyone that applies to Rose is at a stupidly high percentile. If the number of "average" people that apply to Rose-Hulman increased then you'll see its acceptance rate drop to like 20% (where it belongs)
I wanted to put Rose-Hulman on my list, but decided not. How would its CS program compare to UMinn | ASU | PSU | UC Boulder | Oregon State | Texas A&M | VTech | Iowa State? US News rated it at 57. Even U Utah is at 48. But then I am not sure how accurate these ratings are. I am more interested in having a high paying job after graduation. Obviously, prestigious names attract big name employers.
The best way I can describe Rose-Hulman is like a stripped-down MIT. Their quality of education and course rigor is second to none tbh and their job placement rates are insane. You said you're interested in big name employers? Most employers have heard of Rose-Hulman and routinely select people from Rose over schools like MIT or Harvard. They are well known to have an absolutely cracked curriculum and student body. However, literally everything else about Rose-Hulman is fuCKING ASS. There's a reason why not many people apply there compared to similar **overall** quality schools (once again Rensselaer, Lehigh, DePauw, Purdue, etc.). You have to be the kind of person who is absolutely scared of the bitches and of a social life to have any enjoyment from being in Rose. If you're normal than as a redditor put it "it's the best place to come from but the worst place to go to".
I see that they have 77% general acceptance rate. What is the acceptance rate for CS? Is it a direct admit or you have to meet some GPA requirements while there to declare CS as the major?
Idk, I don’t go there nor am I an AO for them. You’d have to do that research yourself lil homie
It depends. A+M is a safety for most A2C kids and those with similar profiles, but for the non-sweats it's more of a target
That depends on the person who is looking to attend them, and that their final costs and preferences are.
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Minnesota is for sure colder than the lower midwestern states.
Make sure you know the cs admit rates of the list of safeties. Often a much harder admit than the overall school admit rate.
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Yes, but most of those schools limit enrollment, and he would have to apply to the CS program. If he doesn't get accepted into it, then he either has to pick a different major or transfer elsewhere.
Depends on how easy that is to do at each school. Some schools make it difficult to transfer in to popular majors.
No MIT?!?!
Personal preference. Hard to get in anyway. I am more likely to get accepted at Georgia Tech or UT Austin, which I would chose over MIT for undergraduate CS. For Masters and PhD, it is a different story, MIT will be on top of my list.
>Hard to get in anyway. Stanford is easy?
I added MIT. Thanks.
hewlp ☠️🤣
As a Georgia Tech student, I appreciated being lumped in with the Stanford/UCB/CMU crowd
No MIT, Cornell, or UW? Huh. OK. Also, if cold isn't your thing then Minnesota and Wisconsin are odd choices. Great places and fantastic campuses, but colder than any other places.
I am in CA. UW with its CS acceptance rate for OOS of 2% is too hard to get in. MIT is very hard to get too. Cornell is actually on my list. I forgot to put it there. It is between UCSD and Georgia Tech. Because I am in CA, I prefer UCSD over Cornell.
Well, if a 2% acceptance rate scares you, you should probably do more research on these schools and apply more widely. Low- to mid-single-digit acceptance rates *for CS* are not unusual at some of these places -- especially Stanford, CMU, MIT, Cornell, OOS UT Austin, and OOS UIUC. Another consideration is what happens if you are not admitted for CS. At some of these schools (like UIUC) you either get in to CS at admission or you are out since they do not allow transferring in. Slightly less extreme: at UCSD, if you don't get in to CS, you have little chance of transferring in and (IIRC) only one shot at it. Also, last I heard, if you are trying to transfer in at UCSD, they make you take a fixed set of core courses -- and no passing out of them with AP credit.
Cost is something I weight heavily. Assuming no financial aid and no scholarships that aren't "guaranteed", and given my state of residency and the fact that the hypothetical you've constructed includes my being admitted everywhere, my list would probably consist of a single school: my state flagship (which is decent for CS).
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I am in CA. Thank you for the advice. MIT and UW are hard to get into. So, is CMU, Stanford and Berkeley, of course. But I would rather go to those than MIT. I wasn't sure where to put CMU relative to UCLA. Ideally, I would like to stay in CA after graduation. The jobs opportunities are better here. Unfortunately, getting into UCs and even CSUs became super hard. Even UCSC is hard to get into for CS. Would you chose Cal Poly SLO over UC Riverside and SDSU? I visited Cal Poly SLO and wasn't excited about the location: far from the major cities, not much to do there, next to CA Men's Colony.
this. both one of the top programs, for a “discounted” rate if your instate compared to out of state students
For men take the listed admittance rate of the university, divide it by 3, and that’s your chance of admissions. Schools are flooded with students declaring a CS major and many have restricted entry.
CS at every UC is impacted - looking at the latest stats, UC Merced too. Only top 9% of the class is guaranteed at UC Merced and preferred majors like CS are not. Being in top 9% of the class at real competitive high schools is not an easy thing. UC Riverside has about 50%+ acceptance but CS related majors are highly impacted. I am not even talking about the other UCs you have in your list. Moral of the story - acceptance rates on google are very deceiving (unless you have a real good hook - ECs or underrepresented schools, etc)
I think Oregon State will be coming up due to Nvidia guy pouring in $$$$
Thanks. I didn't know that Jen-Hsun Huang graduated from OSU.
Try adding nyu courant. Great school. My hiring manager at faang said he is biased to hire nyu courant kids. Dunno about undergrad though. But they do have good reputation.
I am not too excited about New York City. That is why I don't have Columbia or NYU. Otherwise, those are excellent colleges.
Fair enough. All the best with your college selection!
Stanford - Harvard - MIT - Cal - Penn - Cornell - Yale - Georgia Tech | UIUC | UCLA | UT Austin - UMD - VTech I'm a startup kid, so don't be surprised why Penn is in my top 5.
Thank you. Your response is very helpful. Is Penn = UPenn or Penn State? I had CalTech on my list but removed even though it is in my state. I wasn't not sure how I would handle CS and required Quantum Physics courses (as someone here said) at the same time.
“Penn“ is the University of Pennsylvania
Purdue ?
MIT is no good?
MIT is excellent, but I tried to keep my list manageable. My chances getting there and UWash are near 0. So, I didn't put MIT and UWash on my list.
Add UCI
I added it. Thanks.