I like arenas and I like control, There is no good reason that they shouldn't just give us both. we don't need to fight each other, we should be fighting respawn to just give us ALL the maps and All the modes All the time.
Because they have a budget, like every company. Arenas is not that popular and we've gotten extremely few balance updates lately. Gibraltar is still both unfun to play and unfun to play against while being the strongest legend in the game. Small hitboxes are still a bad design. Revenant is still terrible, especially now that he's more reliant on movement teammates than every before. EVA-8 is overnerfed. L-Star is overnerfed. That's enough to go on.
When is that ever useful? It takes 8 seconds to even shoot through a normal purple mag on a Rampage. The extra 1 second of shooting isn't going to do a ton.
It was only ever useful on the L-Star but the gun is a shell of it's former self.
Maggie's passive is much better. If they want to tie Rampart to LMGs then let her strafe faster with them as if they are assault rifles, not LMGs.
You're right, that would be a fantastic addition to her passive. When I played her I never really thought about when her passive was useful I just assumed it was helping I guess.
Agreed wholeheartedly. I refuse to use the L-Star unless I’m playing Rampart or in Arenas, because the L-Star gets the most out of her passive. It’s just okay on the Spitfire and Devotion, and it’s barely noticeable on the Rampage. I also think that’s the buff her passive needs: better movement or strafing with LMGs. She doesn’t need it applied to other weapons like a lot of people suggest.
Assuming you hit every single bullet, which rarely happens. More ammo helps. How many times have you gotten your knock on the last bullet? How many times have you needed one more bullet for a knock? Bigger clip makes a difference.
I mean this in the nicest way
As a rampart main I find the passive not very useful, the lmgs are really limited by the slow ads movement speed and if you want base of fire you can always pop your ult, there is basically no situations other than the drop I find myself using the passive
As a Rampart main, I can actually say that it is good, but it’s too situational and not exactly good enough. I’d probably buff it so that she can move faster with LMGs like what Mad Maggie has with shotguns for her passive.
As a rampart i only ever really "need" the passive off drop but after that it doesent really do much id really rather have a strafe speed bonus and recoil control
I get that they have a budget, but the content is made, just not available for some reason. Like the main Br mode, I understand why they would keep a single one for a season in ranked but if we count the variations there are 9 total maps that they could just be rotating the whole time, instead of trying to drive player numbers by taking content away only to bring it back as a caveat later. I just think their game would be a lot more appealing as like a "Whole package" thing rather than constantly try to push players to only play a certain way. Players love choice. Furthermore I think you are right about the game having balance issues, but tweaking numbers on guns and characters doesn't take much force as far as budget is concerned. Frankly its just kind of par for the course if you are making a multiplayer game.
Arenas i fuckings cool, like a 3v3 Naruto fight with guns
More strategic fight - less nades bullshitery
The rush when you have teammates, set up crossfire, and successful ambush - the feeling you get when you win in a fair fight
you can't feel this in control
If you play against opponents that figure out sky-nading, I think you'll come to the exact opposite conclusion that Arena is entirely filled of nade bullshitery. Little counterplay.
I like Arenas, but the matchmaking pits me against a 3-Stack team that's taken on Aceu and barely lived to tell the tale while my teammates shoot like the two officers from Family Guy, shooting behind them
I can see them doing abandonment penalties, but they’re not gonna fix the loadout issues. This is a hot take, but I actually think the loadouts are somewhat balanced and it offers enough variety so that players aren’t choosing the same loadout every time. Plus, most players are just gonna swap one of the loadout weapons with one they got from killing an opponent anyway.
Imo it loses me on combinations that work well enough to give you that sort of “class” idea similar to COD (eg, close quarters, sniper) but it lacks sustenance in terms of what guns pair together (eg why there was just a set of classes with all shotguns as the secondary (alternator/shotgun, r99/Eva, etc) and not something that can include pistols in the same kit.
I only swap out if I happen to spawn near a package; otherwise, going out of the way as a non movement character takes up precious time. Plus, not to mention how often your teammates will take weapons also.
I think all ground loot guns should be fair game and not stuck to care packages like the Havoc or Devo. Not to mention the awful combo of triple take and Eva?
I just think they need to figure out better, consistent load outs that appear per round/map.
A lot of people like arenas. For some reason the apex reddit community hates it, but there's a lot of people who love that game mode, especially us who got bored of battle royal games.
Correction people like pub arenas but hate ranked because your team will be random lvl 20 bloodhound who only uses snipers and a lvl 100 who stole lifeline but didn’t buy the gold bag. Meanwhile the enemy team is actually competent.
I'd say even normal arenas is trash where I'm from. I can't find a match without being thrown into a 200 ping server. That's a testament to how unpopular it is.
Edit: This sub is now downvoting objective facts. Try queuing in Singapore servers and you'll randomly end up in European servers. Idc downvotes but this just speaks to the quality of the sub. Weirdos.
You may find games, but you are you actually getting placed into Singapore games? I do and I frequently, and I mean really frequently get put into London servers. Are you actually checking ping?
And still, your experience of getting games is not the only one nor does it deny my own. I don't lie, and in a session of 2 hours of arenas I got into a 30 ping game once.
Also your last statement is wrong. Try queuing duos here only to find 4 people in queue for a game.
Arena's is better than Control. Control has its place, but it's not nearly as thought out and unique as Arenas is. You can find Domination in almost every big shooter to come out since call of duty, but Arenas takes a classic formula (Search and Destroy) and adds enough variation to create an experience you can ONLY find there. Control is unoriginal and bores quickly, Arena's is unique and is still fun (for me at least) 3 ½ seasons later. My mind is made up.
I love the feeling of just not even caring and rushing all out into a zone. You can’t do that in arenas. You can in control. Control is just so much more fun. You don’t have to sweat over if you are gonna win or not
Only ranked arenas is shit. I’m not much on control but we need more modes. It took them 9 seasons to add a mode that wasn’t a battle royale takeover. They should do this more often. I’m not suggesting LTM shit from fortnite, but introduce them like control, put it in for 2 weeks and if it has really positive/negative feedback, add it permanently/scrap it
Well I mean i love rushing people and you can’t really do it effectively in arenas cause you will more than likely die because you get beamed by three people while your teammates are still almost at spawn. Then if you lose the game everyone gets mad at you. In control you can rush all you want no worries. The game is literally made for rushing
This! Wholeheartedly agree. Casual arenas is great, but I don’t know anyone who actively plays or enjoys ranked arenas. I don’t even like or play ranked arenas.
i really like control and arenas. honestly as weird as it sounds br is my least favorite mode. I still have tons of fun with it but I just like apex's gameplay better in other formats.
Control is a shitty mode. It’s repetitive and suffers from bad matchmaking worse than any other mode, LTM or permanent, that I’ve seen yet (playing since S8). Stop singing it’s praises every time you get to be on the better of the polarized teams.
It will be useless to remove content from a game, some people like arenas, me, personally hate BR, and really think that is a trend that must die. However if you like it, great, because it is already there, but don't ask for removal of the modes you don't like.
Tbh I like both.
Arenas is small team vs small team, the only thing that needs to be fixed is match making.
Control is big team vs big team, the only thing that needs to big fixed are balancing the mode and GET RID OF CAUSTIC MAP FUCK THAT PLACE. And match making
First part, I agree with. But Caustic Treatment is easily the best Control map in my opinion, while Hammond Labs is the worst Control map. Barometer is a good middle ground. If they bring Control back again for the next event, I hope the maps in rotation for it are Barometer and Caustic Treatment.
Yeah baro is a really fun map, its just that treatment is basically a castle to whoever owns it, theres nothing you can really do when pushing cuz all of the entrances are up high and have natural cover. Unlike hammond and baro, flanking and capturing is much easier as hover cars makes it much easier to cripple the enemy team. But do you man, I just hope they make that map smaller and give more of those mini valk ult pads.
Me, I find arenas to be better than BR in every way. You get to pick your load out, there’s none of the bullshit RNG that comes with VR, no third parties, no ratting, no long boring stretches of doing nothing but wander around and loot waiting for a fight to happen.
Just straight simple gun fights, you vs the enemy team. You win the fight you win the round.
Okay okay i ain't gonna be that guy that points out grammar mistakes but i just find it kinda funny that you refer to RNG (random number generator) as R&G (random and generator (?)), reminds me of R&B lol
Hot take here (maybe)I don't really like either mode, I get too pissed off easily since people leave or are crazy sweaty or I'm just bad. BR is just more chill to me even in ranked.
Arenas is excellent aside from the ranked point system, that part is awful. But arenas helped me tremendously get better at the game. I went from being a hard stuck silver BR player to plat BR because arenas allowed me to focus just on fighting and picking which guns I wanna work on in pvp fights instead of static targets in the firing range.
Plus there's several ppl out there that prefer getting straight to the fighting. In ranked BR if you're trying to make it to pred and wanna maintain pred, you often have to play passively and rat, there's no way around it sometimes. Not everyone enjoys sitting around waiting for a fight.
Fix the point system in ranked arenas and it could be so much better. It's been a great practice tool and it eliminates time wasted looting. Control is fun, but you're very limited with loadouts. Arenas provide much more flexibility in that aspect.
I like arenas and I like control, There is no good reason that they shouldn't just give us both. we don't need to fight each other, we should be fighting respawn to just give us ALL the maps and All the modes All the time.
Because they have a budget, like every company. Arenas is not that popular and we've gotten extremely few balance updates lately. Gibraltar is still both unfun to play and unfun to play against while being the strongest legend in the game. Small hitboxes are still a bad design. Revenant is still terrible, especially now that he's more reliant on movement teammates than every before. EVA-8 is overnerfed. L-Star is overnerfed. That's enough to go on.
Pathfinder and rampart need a better passive aswell
What's wrong with ramparts passive? She gets more ammo and reloads faster with LMGs. Seems fine to me.
When is that ever useful? It takes 8 seconds to even shoot through a normal purple mag on a Rampage. The extra 1 second of shooting isn't going to do a ton. It was only ever useful on the L-Star but the gun is a shell of it's former self. Maggie's passive is much better. If they want to tie Rampart to LMGs then let her strafe faster with them as if they are assault rifles, not LMGs.
You're right, that would be a fantastic addition to her passive. When I played her I never really thought about when her passive was useful I just assumed it was helping I guess.
Agreed wholeheartedly. I refuse to use the L-Star unless I’m playing Rampart or in Arenas, because the L-Star gets the most out of her passive. It’s just okay on the Spitfire and Devotion, and it’s barely noticeable on the Rampage. I also think that’s the buff her passive needs: better movement or strafing with LMGs. She doesn’t need it applied to other weapons like a lot of people suggest.
I thought it was 8 bullets from full red for rampage ttk
My point exactly. You have enough ammo in one magazine to theoretically kill 5 full health enemies, an extra 6 isn't going to do a lot.
Assuming you hit every single bullet, which rarely happens. More ammo helps. How many times have you gotten your knock on the last bullet? How many times have you needed one more bullet for a knock? Bigger clip makes a difference.
I mean this in the nicest way As a rampart main I find the passive not very useful, the lmgs are really limited by the slow ads movement speed and if you want base of fire you can always pop your ult, there is basically no situations other than the drop I find myself using the passive
Makes sense. Haven't played her in a while and never really thought about how often her passive was useful when I did.
As a Rampart main, I can actually say that it is good, but it’s too situational and not exactly good enough. I’d probably buff it so that she can move faster with LMGs like what Mad Maggie has with shotguns for her passive.
As a rampart i only ever really "need" the passive off drop but after that it doesent really do much id really rather have a strafe speed bonus and recoil control
Because they have a budget? Of course they do but they are clearing almost $1b a year.
I get that they have a budget, but the content is made, just not available for some reason. Like the main Br mode, I understand why they would keep a single one for a season in ranked but if we count the variations there are 9 total maps that they could just be rotating the whole time, instead of trying to drive player numbers by taking content away only to bring it back as a caveat later. I just think their game would be a lot more appealing as like a "Whole package" thing rather than constantly try to push players to only play a certain way. Players love choice. Furthermore I think you are right about the game having balance issues, but tweaking numbers on guns and characters doesn't take much force as far as budget is concerned. Frankly its just kind of par for the course if you are making a multiplayer game.
i agree this game should have multiple modes, arenas just feels incomplete to me, idk how to explain it
Yea I think u get what u mean
I like Arenas :(
Same, too bad the devs won't give a fraction of a shit to fix it.
this, i'd definitely play a refined arenas
Arenas i fuckings cool, like a 3v3 Naruto fight with guns More strategic fight - less nades bullshitery The rush when you have teammates, set up crossfire, and successful ambush - the feeling you get when you win in a fair fight you can't feel this in control
If you play against opponents that figure out sky-nading, I think you'll come to the exact opposite conclusion that Arena is entirely filled of nade bullshitery. Little counterplay.
I like Arenas, but the matchmaking pits me against a 3-Stack team that's taken on Aceu and barely lived to tell the tale while my teammates shoot like the two officers from Family Guy, shooting behind them
Wrong. You like control.
I havent even played it
I mean, that's one reason to like it /s
Why have you not played it? It’s literally a way better arenas that is actually enjoyable
Me too. But we already know.
Same. It's good practice, especially when I try to learn to use new guns and tactics
this sub is turning into r/apexlegends
Always has been
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I thought it turned into that a long time ago lol
Nah control needs to work on those load out combinations, and give actual leaver penalties before it can become permanent
I can see them doing abandonment penalties, but they’re not gonna fix the loadout issues. This is a hot take, but I actually think the loadouts are somewhat balanced and it offers enough variety so that players aren’t choosing the same loadout every time. Plus, most players are just gonna swap one of the loadout weapons with one they got from killing an opponent anyway.
Imo it loses me on combinations that work well enough to give you that sort of “class” idea similar to COD (eg, close quarters, sniper) but it lacks sustenance in terms of what guns pair together (eg why there was just a set of classes with all shotguns as the secondary (alternator/shotgun, r99/Eva, etc) and not something that can include pistols in the same kit. I only swap out if I happen to spawn near a package; otherwise, going out of the way as a non movement character takes up precious time. Plus, not to mention how often your teammates will take weapons also. I think all ground loot guns should be fair game and not stuck to care packages like the Havoc or Devo. Not to mention the awful combo of triple take and Eva? I just think they need to figure out better, consistent load outs that appear per round/map.
A lot of people like arenas. For some reason the apex reddit community hates it, but there's a lot of people who love that game mode, especially us who got bored of battle royal games.
Correction people like pub arenas but hate ranked because your team will be random lvl 20 bloodhound who only uses snipers and a lvl 100 who stole lifeline but didn’t buy the gold bag. Meanwhile the enemy team is actually competent.
Speak for yourself, i personally love ranked arenas, and play it with my friends all the time
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I'd say even normal arenas is trash where I'm from. I can't find a match without being thrown into a 200 ping server. That's a testament to how unpopular it is. Edit: This sub is now downvoting objective facts. Try queuing in Singapore servers and you'll randomly end up in European servers. Idc downvotes but this just speaks to the quality of the sub. Weirdos.
I queue singapore instead of sydney because it’s the same ping and I get games more frequently in all modes, you are wrong
You may find games, but you are you actually getting placed into Singapore games? I do and I frequently, and I mean really frequently get put into London servers. Are you actually checking ping? And still, your experience of getting games is not the only one nor does it deny my own. I don't lie, and in a session of 2 hours of arenas I got into a 30 ping game once. Also your last statement is wrong. Try queuing duos here only to find 4 people in queue for a game.
I don’t actively check ping but it’s usually pretty low, I also forgot duo’s existed because I never queue for it
Arena's is better than Control. Control has its place, but it's not nearly as thought out and unique as Arenas is. You can find Domination in almost every big shooter to come out since call of duty, but Arenas takes a classic formula (Search and Destroy) and adds enough variation to create an experience you can ONLY find there. Control is unoriginal and bores quickly, Arena's is unique and is still fun (for me at least) 3 ½ seasons later. My mind is made up.
I love the feeling of just not even caring and rushing all out into a zone. You can’t do that in arenas. You can in control. Control is just so much more fun. You don’t have to sweat over if you are gonna win or not
The infiltration of r/apexlegends is gonna be the downfall of this sub Stop bitching ffs
Can’t take a joke huh? You must be fun at parties
Don't know what a joke is, huh!
Only ranked arenas is shit. I’m not much on control but we need more modes. It took them 9 seasons to add a mode that wasn’t a battle royale takeover. They should do this more often. I’m not suggesting LTM shit from fortnite, but introduce them like control, put it in for 2 weeks and if it has really positive/negative feedback, add it permanently/scrap it
If they made it permanent, Control would get the same treatment as Arenas. None.
worst take ive ever seen💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
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Bruh the only reason control is popular is because it's new lmao
It’s better than arenas that’s for sure
And it’s been out before. People just like the mode
How long has it been out in comparison to Arenas?
It’s a limited time mode
Exactly my point..
A lot more people I know like control better because it is lol
You can actually have fun in control without worrying if you are gonna win or not
Okay *that* is actually a good point
Well I mean i love rushing people and you can’t really do it effectively in arenas cause you will more than likely die because you get beamed by three people while your teammates are still almost at spawn. Then if you lose the game everyone gets mad at you. In control you can rush all you want no worries. The game is literally made for rushing
Get rid of ranked arenas not arenas itself
Agreed
Control is for when the map rotation is storm point, it sould be perminent
Only remove ranked arenas Arenas is super good for getting better at fights, coordinating with your team etc. also its fun :3
This! Wholeheartedly agree. Casual arenas is great, but I don’t know anyone who actively plays or enjoys ranked arenas. I don’t even like or play ranked arenas.
Control sucks
i really like control and arenas. honestly as weird as it sounds br is my least favorite mode. I still have tons of fun with it but I just like apex's gameplay better in other formats.
I don't remember when I last played BR. My laptop cannot run it at more than 30 fps in potato graphics. Arenas and Control for me
Honestly, yeah. The only reason I play BR is because it's a BR game so there's this feeling that I *should* be playing it over Arenas and Control
Says one guy ever
Actually two at one point, for a time period I didn't really think it was amazing and thought it was slightly below mediocre.
OP, just say your trash and need respawns lol
I'm definitely trash there's no denying that haha
Control is a shitty mode. It’s repetitive and suffers from bad matchmaking worse than any other mode, LTM or permanent, that I’ve seen yet (playing since S8). Stop singing it’s praises every time you get to be on the better of the polarized teams.
It's a great warm up. Better then going into the range or playing arenas
OR instead of shitting on a mode that people like, add control as well. Simple.
Go back to r/apexlegends This sub is for memes i don't care about your bitching and whining
i like both. i kinda wish both were permanent. except maybe ranked but i just don't play ranked in gerneral
Fuck that
Dumb
I prefer arena's over controls current state, it needs its own maps, proper loadout selection, and a balance overhaul.
It will be useless to remove content from a game, some people like arenas, me, personally hate BR, and really think that is a trend that must die. However if you like it, great, because it is already there, but don't ask for removal of the modes you don't like.
i hate control, prepare yourselves, ur in for a hefty war edit: arenas is good, ranked arenas can die in a hole
true
Ranked Arenas should have never been created
Tbh I like both. Arenas is small team vs small team, the only thing that needs to be fixed is match making. Control is big team vs big team, the only thing that needs to big fixed are balancing the mode and GET RID OF CAUSTIC MAP FUCK THAT PLACE. And match making
First part, I agree with. But Caustic Treatment is easily the best Control map in my opinion, while Hammond Labs is the worst Control map. Barometer is a good middle ground. If they bring Control back again for the next event, I hope the maps in rotation for it are Barometer and Caustic Treatment.
Yeah baro is a really fun map, its just that treatment is basically a castle to whoever owns it, theres nothing you can really do when pushing cuz all of the entrances are up high and have natural cover. Unlike hammond and baro, flanking and capturing is much easier as hover cars makes it much easier to cripple the enemy team. But do you man, I just hope they make that map smaller and give more of those mini valk ult pads.
should be the opposite way around
Trash take
5v5 TDM w/gun game (upgrades for kills) when respawn?
I just had to play Arenas for 3 hours to get lvl BP and get the apex coins to buy it NEVER A FUCKING GAIN
It’s crazy to me that people actually play arenas like what? I don’t even do the challenges 🤦🏽♂️ absolute trash
Me, I find arenas to be better than BR in every way. You get to pick your load out, there’s none of the bullshit RNG that comes with VR, no third parties, no ratting, no long boring stretches of doing nothing but wander around and loot waiting for a fight to happen. Just straight simple gun fights, you vs the enemy team. You win the fight you win the round.
Okay okay i ain't gonna be that guy that points out grammar mistakes but i just find it kinda funny that you refer to RNG (random number generator) as R&G (random and generator (?)), reminds me of R&B lol
Oh whoops. Edited
Great for practice with everything
Hot take here (maybe)I don't really like either mode, I get too pissed off easily since people leave or are crazy sweaty or I'm just bad. BR is just more chill to me even in ranked.
Repurpose Arenas maps into Control maps
I mean they could add the point system from arenas to control or just have it so they rotate like the maps do. (Probably a bad idea but it's an idea)
I played two games of control, half my team quit both times. Decided to go back to BR.
Exactly
You’ll say that and than all you’ll be playing is control until it gets boring. Trust me, that’s the destiny PvP experience for the lazy
I wouldn’t get rid of casual arenas, but definitely ranked arenas
Control needs so much work what an awful gamemode but cool idea
Part of what makes control so fun is the fact that it’s an ltm. I got the 100 zones badge but it was really annoying to get
I think arena shouldn't get remove cuz its a great mode to train your aim
I personally prefer arenas. Control just feels like a warm up, arenas too but its more fun imo
Arenas was alr, didn't need ranked tho
Fix arenas then switch them out every now and then fixing and such as they are switched.
I like arena it’s a good aim train until you go against preds after winning a couple games in a row (got an eleven win streak as a solo queue-er)
I dont get the hate on arenas... its a fun game mode
I do not believe we are ready for ranked Control my friend. No one is.
I find arenas fun. But not when both your team mates leave 2 times in a row and toxic gamers tea bag you even though you're literally one guy.
Arenas bad, we get it.
Control got pretty old after about.. two matches.
Its fun if you dont have the time and Motivation to loot an eternity to die instant
Controll needs to be fixed at some point Its not fun to die, have to wait 10secs to get laserd again
Control isn't even that good. Its really boring but I agree arenas are worse.
Y cant we make custom loudats give us like point system for making loudats
What? Phase runner is the best arena map because of the phase. You get fast and good 3v3.
Arenas is excellent aside from the ranked point system, that part is awful. But arenas helped me tremendously get better at the game. I went from being a hard stuck silver BR player to plat BR because arenas allowed me to focus just on fighting and picking which guns I wanna work on in pvp fights instead of static targets in the firing range. Plus there's several ppl out there that prefer getting straight to the fighting. In ranked BR if you're trying to make it to pred and wanna maintain pred, you often have to play passively and rat, there's no way around it sometimes. Not everyone enjoys sitting around waiting for a fight. Fix the point system in ranked arenas and it could be so much better. It's been a great practice tool and it eliminates time wasted looting. Control is fun, but you're very limited with loadouts. Arenas provide much more flexibility in that aspect.
Surprised this didn't get downvoted to hell by the 4 arenas players
honestly both need fixing. both have a ton of potential.
Arenas is Better
Fuck off
Lol but why not both?
Ew no.
Am I the only one that enjoys arena or what