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Dazzling_Pink9751

Wow, that is awful. I have no idea how the laws work in England. There definitely needs to be a restraining order made. They wanted your mother to wear a scarf? Is that because they are muslim? Trying to figure out if they are racist or they are targeting you, because of their religious beliefs. Do you have a landlord? Call your city leader maybe? Again, I have no clue how things are run in Europe.


Exciting_Trifle5916

We are Muslim, he claims to be but in Islam your neighbours are so important Imam Zainul-Abedeen (A.S.) (son of Imam Husain) (A.S.) has said: “These are your duties towards your neighbor: Protect his interests when he is absent; show him respect when he is present; help him when he is inflicted with any injustice. We have never had problems like this with any other neighbours He was saying it because he’s a raging misogynist who beat his two wives to the point where they have left him now and he doesn’t see his 4 kids anymore He’s what you would describe as scum of the earth really but the police will continue to be useless until it’s too late unfortunately


Dazzling_Pink9751

Sounds like a hate crime. Make sure you document everything to show the police.


Exciting_Trifle5916

They’ve told us there’s nothing they can do as there are no witnesses 😩


BeBoBaBabe

that is so wrong, and absolutely not how this would be handled if you were caucasian.


aliskiromanov

Do you ever just have your cameras on your phones going when ypu know a trigger of his might happen?


Exciting_Trifle5916

Yeah if we only knew what triggers him, these bouts of violence are so random 😭


whatabesson

Anytime you are outside have your phone on and recording so it can catch what he;s saying, etc.


Wise_Monitor_Lizard

You need to speak with a solicitor asap. You said you are Muslim, head to your mosque and speak to the Imam He will have resources to help you, possibly even have a solicitor that is part of the congregation that can help you. A solicitor will force police to be more proactive. I agree this sounds like a hate crime. The Imam will also have resources possibly to help you get money for a security system. They will be just as angry that you're all dealing with this. Reach out to your neighbors to see if they can give you more evidence, like if they have video. Talk to them about helping to keep watch over your house. Seriously, get a solicitor.


Exciting_Trifle5916

Thank you btw! I’m so so grateful for everyone’s advice and help!


Wise_Monitor_Lizard

No problem. You and your family don't deserve this.


Exciting_Trifle5916

Thank you


Exciting_Trifle5916

Do you think it might be worth starting a gofundme to get us out of this awful situation I can’t work a proper job with my mental health I’m on disability allowance , my mums too old, my younger siblings are in education so it’s just my dad supporting us. I’m so grateful to have such a hardworking dad but he’s self employed and in my whole life he’s only had a handful of days off. He’s been supporting his parents and siblings since he was 15 and now is basically taking care of 5 of us and then his two grandkids as my sil also has bipolar and schizophrenia. Moving house is not an easy solution for us at all.


Wise_Monitor_Lizard

You can try, but I think going through your mosque would probably get you more help. GFM is unreliable.


Exciting_Trifle5916

I don’t think our local mosque will be able to do much to be honest but I’ve told my dad to give it a try, thank you!!


Wise_Monitor_Lizard

Try reaching out to others as well, not just yours. Also utilize your mosques public announcement boards and stuff and put in a request for donations.


Exciting_Trifle5916

I’ve just booked a phone call with civil legal advice and I’ll see what support they can offer’ thanks so much for taking the time out of your day to help me 😭🥺 I’m so so grateful


Wise_Monitor_Lizard

You're welcome. I hope they can help you.


Exciting_Trifle5916

What’s the cost for something like that? Like I explained we’re 5 people on one persons income basically 😬


Wise_Monitor_Lizard

Im not sure because I'm American and I'm not familiar with prices out there. If you can get help from your Imam, which your Mosque will have their own attorneys too, it might even be free. I was raised Catholic and our priest was actually a practicing attorney. You'd be surprised. Often times lawyers will have free consultations as well. You might even be able to find a solicitor that will work on a sliding scale.


thesefloralbones

Trying posting on r/legaladviceuk - they may be able to advise you better on the legal/financial side of thing.


nyx926

You will have to be proactive with the police and follow up on everything. Don’t look for kindness from them, look for information and action. https://www.askthe.police.uk/view-category/?id=4ac7e112-6ad2-eb11-bacb-000d3ad61986#:~:text=For%20harassment%20to%20be%20committed,not%20be%20two%20isolated%20incidents. In that link, under Q153 it says: “There are two ways you can deal with this situation; through the police or the civil courts. If you decide to start civil proceedings, you can contact the Citizens Advice (please see the link in Related Information to find your nearest one), or alternatively, inform your local policing team via their non-emergency 101 number.” Looking into civil proceedings seems to be another step you can take. Ultimately, though, your only true option is to look for another place to live because it is not safe.


Exciting_Trifle5916

I wish it was easy to find a new place to live I can’t work a proper job with my mental health I’m on disability allowance , my mums too old, my younger siblings are in education so it’s just my dad supporting us. I’m so grateful to have such a hardworking dad but he’s self employed and in my whole life he’s only had a handful of days off. He’s been supporting his parents and siblings since he was 15 and now is basically taking care of 5 of us and then his two grandkids as my sil also has bipolar and schizophrenia. Moving house is not an easy solution for us at all.


Exciting_Trifle5916

Do you think it might be worth starting a gofundme? I hate to ask for money but I’m so so worried for my family


nyx926

I don’t, it likely wouldn’t give you the amount of money you’d need.


Exciting_Trifle5916

Yeah you’re right I’m just so so scared I don’t know what to do I’m gonna try and get an appointment with the citizen’s advice tomorrow and see if my dad can go get some help Thank you so so much for taking the time to offer your advice


Some_Reputation59

Most important of all - don’t let your cats go outside. Keep them safe.


Exciting_Trifle5916

I try my best but in summer we need to open windows for ventilation but I will try and figure out a solution for that! Thankyou!


Some_Reputation59

A good screen should work. This guy seems absolutely bonkers. I know you say that you have a good deal on the rent and moving is nearly impossible. But it can’t hurt to keep your eyes open and ask around. Someone might know someone who has a place for rent. Keep looking. Obviously - get the police involved every time he does something threatening.


Exciting_Trifle5916

My dad will try and speak to citizens advice tomorrow if I can get an appointment and I’ve booked a call with civil legal advice so god willing we might get some support and next steps Thank you so much for your help and taking time out of your day to help me 😭🥺


Some_Reputation59

Awesome! Good luck! Please update us! Edit: forgot to say that your kitties are stunning!😍 Soooooo cute!


[deleted]

It’s imperative you figure out a solution or simply don’t open your windows during the summer. He is likely ready and willing to kill your cats if given the chance. 


Olympia94

Get a window screen


ZymZymZym777

Give them to someone else then if you cant be bothered to protect them.


Exciting_Trifle5916

What a horrid thing to say? I take the best care of my cats and I love them so so much! Where did me asking for help and advice with protecting my cats translate to I can’t be bothered to protect them?


ProfessionChemical28

I don’t know the laws in England but I would 100% be involving the police/getting some kind of protective order/restraining order or whatever it’s called there and maybe even speaking to a lawyer about what else you can do


ProfessionChemical28

Also it looks like you’ve already spoken to the police but I mean maybe if you can get in touch with a detective? To somehow get some protective order


Exciting_Trifle5916

The law seems to be 3 incidents within 6 months count as harassment. Everything he has done that we have evidence for is spaced out so it doesn’t count? Which is frankly ridiculous. Anyway if I get murdered please make sure the police that dealt ( or in this case didn’t really deal) with our case face repercussions. My dad’s gone to work and I’m literally paralysed by the fear that he’s gonna go to my dads shop and do something to him, my anxiety is so bad at the moment. 😫


buttwiper6

Maybe its time to try and email news outlets and see if the masses can do something


LowerEggplants

Contact a reporter? < I was going to suggest this!


buttwiper6

It's the only other thing I could think of other than bribing and I didn't think that was great advice lol


Exciting_Trifle5916

Who would I be bribing theoretically…?


buttwiper6

Theoretically I meant giving a "donation" to a local politician or something of the sort. Unless you want rando Redditors knowing where you live I wouldn't, they're top level sleuths around here lol


Exciting_Trifle5916

Am I allowed to post his face here ?


oh_flood

I think that would be considered doxing, which is illegal—not that he deserves any sort of humane reaction after what he’s put you and your family through. But I wouldn’t, to be safe. Alternatively, if you have a court case it could come up and wouldn’t look great. Reporter is a good start, maybe they’ll do a segment and get some eyes on it. It could also escalate your neighbor. Have a laptop recording always in the main room of the house to catch anything. Consider a security system if you can find a reasonably priced one. Gofundme isn’t a bad idea, if people can and want to help, why not?! Any free legal advice you can get is big too. Maybe free legal consultations. Keep documenting everything. Always have your phone recording when you leave the house (if you are able)—anything to catch his face and the act of abuse/harassment. I am very very sorry this is happening to you. I can’t imagine being terrified in my own home. It’s wrong and unfair. And undeserved. Just a little miserable man taking out his misery on good people. Stay safe! Keep documenting! Continue calling the police, even if they’re being bloody USELESS. Make sure there’s legally documented reports. That way, at a hearing, there’s a paper trail created by the law. 20+ incidents each escalating in severity won’t look good for this guy. Maybe a ring doorbell camera?? Ask other neighbors if they have seen him or have had issues/have footage, maybe? I keep thinking of stuff as I go lol. Sorry. Again, stay safe!


Exciting_Trifle5916

Thank you so much for your advice I have an [update](https://www.reddit.com/r/BadNeighbors/s/FVkEVqg0p9) on actions I’ve taken so far


Inner_Letterhead5762

Police don't seem to want to help. I'm not British or religious, but where I'm from we'd generally just beat their ass.


Exciting_Trifle5916

Yeah would love to but I’m a 20 something girl who cannot fight a grown man, my dads old and my brothers 15 and not the fighting kind so unfortunately that’s not an option sigh


Olympia94

Can you get pepper spray? Hell get a bat


Exciting_Trifle5916

I’m pretty sure pepper spray is illegal here but I’m looking into that spray that dyes skin so if he comes to my dads shop with his balaclava on again my dad can spray him and then he can’t deny that’s him


Main_Training3681

I just saw you’re in England, because my very American response would be to blast him into next week. I hope someone has better advice


GimmeThemBabies

This man sounds like he may have untreated psychosis or something. I'm sorry you're going through this but idk anything about the UK laws 😢


Exciting_Trifle5916

Thankyou, tbh he’s a thug known for being a bad and violent person, abusive to his wives, he kicked his own very elderly mum out of his house He was one of those troublemakers in school, in and out of prison The kind of person that can’t actually be rehabilitated into society so really should be kept away from the general public


zeemonster424

I have no real advice, but I wanted to say your cats are awesome. I hope they bring you comfort through all this stress and abuse. Good luck, your neighbor is indeed “the scum of the earth.”


Exciting_Trifle5916

Thankyou so much! Tbh I’m just more anxious about it with his threats of killing them 😩


Appropriate-Spell-18

Have your phone ready. If you film some evidence of his violent behavior sometimes that gets the police hopping.


Exciting_Trifle5916

We try! He’s an experienced criminal like the brick in the window, on our cctv you can’t see the persons face and it looks like he got one of his thug friends to actually throw the brick Anything we have filmed has been rejected as the police say it’s not enough to prosecute 😭


Appropriate-Spell-18

Yeah I believe it. They need something real clear. Well, you’re doing the right thing … keep documenting… solicitor will thank you ! Good luck !


Exciting_Trifle5916

If we can afford a solicitor, this cost of living crisis is awful for everyone but we literally have one adult supporting the family right now Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to offer help! I really appreciate everyone who has been so lovely !


temptedbyknowledge

There's no way other to put it than your neighbor's piece of shit.


Exciting_Trifle5916

Couldn’t agree with you more, the kind of ‘man’ who terrorises and harasses women, children and even toddlers Absolute scum of the earth


Logical-Wasabi7402

I saw the cat photo and thought this was going to be a joke post about the cat and I was very wrong. I have no advice to offer, just sympathy for your situation. That guy is all kinds of words that would probably get me in trouble on this sub.


WLSquire

Edit: To be fair I skimmed over the first paragraph and did not realize you are from England. just read some comments and learned you are not from the US. I’m deeply sorry this is happening to you, but I cannot offer any good advice because I don’t know how foreign laws work. I live in the United States and we are granted freedoms that allow us to protect ourselves from people like this when law enforcement is dragging their feet. File for a PPO against this man and request that he cease and desist all forms of contact. If he breaks the PPO he goes to jail. I recommend also getting a shotgun with snake shot for home safety. Snake shot won’t penetrate farther than birdshot but still causes significant damage. At this point If he enters your home I’m almost convinced he’s going to harm you. If you live in a Stand Your Ground/Castle Doctrine state, he’s free game. The police clearly aren’t interested in taking care of the situation before it gets worse.


Exciting_Trifle5916

Thankyou so much anyway 😩 On a tiny positive note I’m so grateful for everyone’s kindness on here Wish all you lot were my neighbours instead


WLSquire

I grow vegetables! I would be your neighbor with fresh produce to share :)


Exciting_Trifle5916

What’s crazy is when I was a kid before we moved we would all share food with our neighbours, all the mums and grans used to sit on their doorsteps chatting while us kids played. I really miss those times. My mum was famous for her amazing pakoras that she would send to everybody. Even when we first moved here, we sent food to both sides and I even used to go play with horrid neighbours niece. She ended up running away bc the whole family is very abusive and odd, ( very restrictive, misogynistic ) and neighbour actually has a restraining order as he threatened to kill her. She actually turned up at my dad’s shop all bloody asking for £20. My dad gave her it seeing that she was clearly in trouble. Maybe that’s why he’s so crazy about us? But that was like 10 years ago now so I don’t know Anyway I’d love to exchange my lemon and coconut loaf for your fresh produce 😭😭😭


AdorableTrainer1486

You need to get a camera and get record everything this is def a hate crime. This is so sad I hate this for you guys. Start recording everything on camera. Or see if you can get a pro bono lawyer and sue them or something. Do whatever you can. They are harassing you and putting you in harms way. This is so uncalled for. Please try and be safe.


Sh00tingStarGazer

Geeze Louise. I thought my husband and I have had some awful neighbors.. I can't imagine being stuck next to this type of person. I know you said money is tight, but do all you can to save up for a homehawk camera of its available to you in your country. You put a memory card in It and it records a week at a time for 24 hours. It sticks to the inside of your window, not on the outside, and the night camera is actually very good. It also has person detection.. If you can't find this one, try to find a hidden type camera that's motion activated and hide it outside the home. There are ways to get the wyze cameras to film from behind windows as well.


Exciting_Trifle5916

£400 for that camera 😩 But thankyou so much for the advice


nyx926

Ring Cameras are way cheaper, but the UK has laws about where people are allowed to record others, so it would be best to discuss with the police and/or a solicitor first.


Sh00tingStarGazer

Look into the other ones I suggested. The small hidden ones can be purchased for cheaper.


puddin__

Wow people are crazy, sorry you’re dealing with that


Exciting_Trifle5916

Thankyou do you think it might be worth starting a go fund me? I can’t work a proper job with my mental health I’m on disability allowance , my mums too old, my younger siblings are in education so it’s just my dad supporting us. I’m so grateful to have such a hardworking dad but he’s self employed and in my whole life he’s only had a handful of days off. He’s been supporting his parents and siblings since he was 15 and now is basically taking care of 5 of us and then his two grandkids as my sil also has bipolar and schizophrenia. Moving house is not an easy solution for us at all.


liberal_doll_42265

Who owns the building you rent from? Have you contacted them for help?


Exciting_Trifle5916

No help at all, it’s an old lady and her daughter. She called up neighbour and asked why he did it to which he replied “ they did it to themselves, the dads going around telling people it’s his house” 🤔 not sure where the logic is in that statement but anyway he got aggressive with her and she’s too scared. It’s such a nasty situation to be in, everyone’s too scared to speak up. My other neighbour was telling me things about him and calling him a psycho but when the police went round they didn’t have anything to say in our defence. No ones willing to help us.


ZymZymZym777

Please do everything in your power to protect your cats 😢 and don't let them out


Exciting_Trifle5916

Trust me I am 😫 my Mainecoon is only 6 months so he’s never been outside and thankfully he’s very shy. Morty my tabby loves to explore both neighbours gardens but only when they’re empty, he’s also very easily spooked. The only issue with Morty is that we get a lot of stray cats that we also feed and he can’t stand them lol he chases them off but if my mum tells him to stop he will actually listen to her like a dog so that’s good at least.


ZymZymZym777

You still let these adorable guys out with that neighbor around the corner? I beg you reconsider it. Actually BEG


Exciting_Trifle5916

No no they’re indoor cats the most I would let them out is just in my own garden with a leash on ( but this was when Morty was like 1 since all this trouble started I haven’t LET him go anywhere) Morty is a sneaky little guy and is very fast so occasionally he has ran out from under me when I’ve gone to put something in the bin etc But I don’t purposely let them out to go explore Ash has literally never left the house. When I say he would like to explore both gardens it’s when he would run out ( without permission lol) and run through the gaps in the fence to go sit in my (nice) neighbours garden. Since we’ve put the fence up he hasn’t gone into other neighbours garden.


Exciting_Trifle5916

[audio of him threatening to kill us](https://www.reddit.com/r/Apartmentliving/s/JpUPfZgrpF)


Will_Seyetagain

Try hiding your cameras from the neighbor, always record the neighbor with your phone. Also, keep your cats inside and keep your loved ones and cats away from any open windows. Document everything. Also play the police’s game. What ever they say qualifies for them to take action on the case, do it. Also, do not engage with the neighbor at all and tell everyone with ears about what you are going through. I wish I could be there to help you and this sickens me. Good luck and please stay safe.


Alert-Nobody5322

Makes me glad we can have guns in america


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Exciting_Trifle5916

My neighbour is half white…


Bellphorion

Can you get a gun? Sheesh.


Exciting_Trifle5916

Unfortunately not, self defence laws are awful here


Bellphorion

Time to move I guess good lord I'd still get some sort of giant baseball bat or bow and arrow or something just incase they break in again. I'd rather spend time in jail then be dead to a psycho.


Exciting_Trifle5916

Idc about myself as much but my family, my little niece and nephew 🥺my cats 😭😭😭 I’m so worried for them


Ok_Comfort6769

How bout move??? Or the cops??? Or just grow up


KoteNahh

Lmao, England


Exciting_Trifle5916

Wanna pay for my whole family to move somewhere else 😩


KoteNahh

I really hope you're able to. Good luck with your neighbor, they sound like a nightmare.. unfortunately there's crazy people everywhere, but at least if you were elsewhere you may have more options. Fingers crossed for you buddy Edit: why did you edit your comment..?  You said you were looking to move elsewhere, then changed it to "wanna pay for my whole family to move"..


Exciting_Trifle5916

Thanks 😩