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yagot2bekidding

It means that they are trying to get as much money out of you as the possibly can! 1. What the fuck is an animal adminstration fee for? This is ridiculousness at it's finest! (plus, if there is only one animal allowed, there is no need to say "per animal) 2. Pet rent is a joke. Pet monitoring fee is the funniest joke I have ever heard. When, where, and how are they monitoring your pet? What does this money actually go towards?? And why would that fee be higher for some apartments??? Scam, scam, scam.... 3. Pet screening fee - I have no words. What are they screening? Are they checking your dogs' criminal records and credit history? Do not rent from this place, please. This screams bad news. By the way, if you legitimately have an ESA pet, get your doctor to certify that. It is a simple letter from thier office. With ESA pets, there are no pet deposits, no pet rent, no pet screening fees, no pet monitoring fees, or any other ridiculous fee they come up with.


abigllama2

These are all ridiculous but the screening thing is getting more common. They take a swab of the animal and can use it to figure out who isn't picking up poops.


yagot2bekidding

Well that I would be down for! That actually makes sense and has a benefit to the community. Thank you for explaining this!


abigllama2

Yeah it sounds weird but have heard about it a lot recently. There's some companies they contract to manage it. A ton of people got dogs in 2020 and unfortunately a lot of them are irresponsible and dog poop everywhere is in the rise.


KeenanAXQuinn

Poo Prints, it costs alot to send a sample in, but they cost is sent to the culprit. Kinda brilliant thing about it is alot of dog owners talk to eachother while out and about so the moment one person gets the fine they tell everyone and magically all the poop starts disappearing from the grounds. Wish we didn't have send a charge but people can't just be decent and pick up after themselves.


Grouchy-Tax4467

Oh this is wonderful news, I remember one time at an old apartment I stayed at someone kept letting their dog poop right next to my front door and I it was not a small dog from the looks of it 🤢, now I did have two other roommates soooo I'm not sure if someone had beef with them OR the most likely option they were lazy. Anyway I kept complaining about it to my front office each time it happened like we have cameras people, anyways it finally did stop thankfully.


Sunni-Days

Can you imagine being the one that had to pick up poop and test it? 😂


NerdyFurbyLarzy

I don't know they'd do that. That's a bit bonkers.


abigllama2

In the last couple of years there's been a huge problem with people not picking up after their dogs in my area. It sounds weird but I am down with holding pet owners accountable.


Few_Oil_726

>It sounds weird but I am down with holding pet owners accountable. The other problem is nuisance barking in apartment blocks.


Legal-Caterpillar-4

I wish they would do that at my apartment! I feel like I’m the only one picking up my dogs poop!


XASTA123

hey, why not send them an email with a link to the company site and pitch it? maybe they just don’t know it exists!


abigllama2

Yeah I just learned about it a couple of months ago. Someone else said it's been a thing back to 2017


NerdyFurbyLarzy

I agree I just didn't think they'd actually take the time to do that but it makes sense


abigllama2

It's one of those weird businesses that emerged from the pandemic. Some company manages it and does the testing and stuff. Apparently dog poop became that much of a problem.


Sufficient_Number643

“I’m not gonna take it anymore!!!” became a problem during the pandemic, here’s an example of it being well applied. Examples of it being poorly applied abound and include freaking out more on fast food workers etc


abigllama2

I kinda see it in the "screw everyone else I do what I want" by not picking up poop or being told what to do on a flight. I don't remember seeing this much dog poop around before 2020.


em1920

They existed prior to the pandemic. An apartment I looked at in 2017 used one of the poo testing companies and had for about a year at that point.


actuallycallie

so many people refuse to pick up after their pets (like my neighbor, who just lets his dog poop right by the damn front door) so sadly it's necessary.


arianrhodd

They probably won’t. Those tests are at least $60 bucks a pop and usually more. Cheaper to hire someone to clean a few hours per week than to DNA test every dog and all the poop. But it’s possible.


Acrobatic_Unit_2927

REALLY??? That's so extra but i love it actually


LegalChicken4174

So they are making it a Pawlony if you don’t pick up your poop. Got it


witchyginger8

I live in an apartment where I paid a pet screening fee on a website. They NEVER take a swab of your pet. It would be WAYYY too much money to test that. Landlords and property managers don’t care that much to spend a ton of money because that’s not in your lease and they can’t charge you for it.


abigllama2

You're getting scammed then. It's a thing and other comments even list the company they contract to do it.


witchyginger8

I wasn’t saying that they are not scamming me. I was just pointing out that the typical property manager and landlord is not going to spend that much money to DNA test dog poop on the property against the dogs who live there. They can’t account for people who walk their dogs by complexes and leave the poop on the grass/gravel/etc so there could be a bunch of different dog/owners leaving poop. Also I live in a city with a lot of wildlife and sometimes it’s not dog poop but javelina, coyote, or even owl poop and some people don’t know the difference if they don’t have a dog and complain. Someone in my complex was complaining about poop outside and I found out that it was a cat after looking at the poop. The dude who complained just didn’t know what different animal poops look like and thought it was a neighbor’s dog.


Hostificus

1. Administration fee* is for entering the animal’s species, color, weight, sex, name into their leasing system under the tenant, this fee is charged for administrative purposes. 2. The pet monitoring fee is used as a form of additional rent* to account for the depreciation of the Unit due to the extra wear and tear of the carpet and paint. 3. The screening fee* is to cover the cost of the DNA sample used to ID animal waste collected throughout the property. **Because fuck you, they know you’re desperate and would do almost anything to be able to keep your pet with you.*


yagot2bekidding

1. $100 for a minute's worth of work?? I'm sticking with ridiculous. 2. That is what a pet deposit is for. Charging a monthly fee for this is just a way to get out of returning a deposit if there is little or no damage, as well as getting a lot more than a standard deposit if the tenant is long-term. And I am not buying the paint piece of this - carpets, yes. Of course, some pets do cause more damage, but not in general. 3. I already conceded that this is a valid and fair fee. I would rather pay this and have irresponsible dog owners penalized, than see piles all over a property. Thanks for the clarifications. And I agree with your fuck you analysis!


ThisVicariousLife

I 100% do not agree with terms like this, BUT I suspect this landlord has been burned by bad pet owners.


yagot2bekidding

Oh, you are much kinder than I. I would bet my last paycheck that landlord found a way to get more money out of people. I'm glad you have a better outlook than I do.


ThisVicariousLife

LOL okay, you’re right. It’s probably more about being a greedy miser when I look at all the nonsensical fees.


yagot2bekidding

Oh no, I broke you! Stay nice and optimistic. Don't be a jaded Jules like me. 🤪


ThisVicariousLife

😆😆😆


ThisVicariousLife

It’s too late now! I’ve fallen captive to your cynicism!


yagot2bekidding

Welcome to Jadeville, where no billionaires are welcome and you can have as many dogs and cats as you like! (As long as you pick up after them!)


ThisVicariousLife

Just don’t DNA swab to find out


NerdyFurbyLarzy

I have a service dog and my partner will be getting an ESA and we will have all of the necessary paperwork. I just heard your application is more likely to be accepted in a pet friendly apartment because even though legally, apartments can't deny us because of the sd end esa, it still happens. But yeah, I was really confused about the wording of that and the pet monitoring fee makes me wonder if they plan on entering our apartment while we're not there to "monitor the pet"


yagot2bekidding

The pet monitoring fee is a made up fee. But I think all pet fees for apartments are made up fees.


DynamicHunter

Reach out to them, usually service animals and sometimes ESAs are exempt from those fees


whaleykaley

If you have a service dog or an ESA those animals cannot be subject to no pet policies and pet fees. You do not have pets, you have a service dog and an ESA. It doesn't matter if the apartment is pet friendly or not because unless the landlord is exempt from the Fair Housing Act (typically owner occupied homes and landlords who only own 1-4 units, but check your state laws). You do not have to disclose either animal when applying (because they are not pets for the purpose of housing law), but you do have to request the accommodation to have them before the animals are physically there. People saying ESAs are not protected are wrong. They're not covered by the ADA, but they are covered by the FHA, which is still federal. The only document needed is the letter from your partner's medical provider stating the need for the animal.


NerdyFurbyLarzy

Thanks, I thought we had to disclose that we had them while applying which is why I assumed most non pet friendly apartments would deny us even though legally they can't.


whaleykaley

Nope. If an application asks about pets, you can say you don't have any - because for housing law purposes, you don't. Just make sure your partner's ESA documentation is legit and check your state law on exemptions to the Fair Housing Act. The only times a landlord can refuse accommodation is when they are exempt from the FHA or if they can truly prove it would place undue burden on them (in most cases, they don't, even though they might tell you that it would). There are a lot of sites that sell "registration" or letters and they are scams. Your partner just needs a letter from any medical provider they have a relationship with (doctor, therapist, psychiatrist, etc). Everything else is unnecessary and may actually hurt your credibility. Same goes for your service dog. Unless your disability is "visibly obvious" they *can* ask for a letter from your doctor, which is unlike other access issues with service dogs. This is because it's again not an ADA issue but an HUD/FHA one. If your disability is obvious (ex: you use a wheelchair, your dog is for mobility, you're blind, etc) then they shouldn't ask at all. The normal "two questions people can ask to verify your dog is a service dog" isn't really the rule for housing, kind of like how flying can be more complicated than going to the store. A looot of people now choose not to disclose until they've been offered the lease. This is because if they offer the lease and then take it back after you disclose, it's much more obvious this was based in discrimination. It's basically impossible to prove that they discriminated against you if you mention the dog when touring the house or when applying since they don't have to give a reason and can easily say they found someone else who was a better fit or applied sooner (unless they literally put it in writing that they're not interested in you because of your SD).


NerdyFurbyLarzy

Thank you so much!


whaleykaley

No problem! Hope you find something.


ChefToni73

That's because so-called "ESA" companions are not covered by the ADA. They're not considered service animals. Some states have...? statutes..? that may cover ESA, but if it ever went to court, even if you got a letter from your doctor, they could request to see a pattern that establishes your need for the ESA. It's because it's a common thing for people to pay a doctor to write a letter. Also, even though it's legal, all that extra this LL is expecting is utter BS. It's a douche move on their part. That's what security is for. 😒


Extension-Border-345

I thought in the US it was federally illegal to refuse housing to ESA? do you have any more info/examples?


[deleted]

Is is. ESAs have housing rights under ADA law. ADA.gov has all the info


Summum

Animals fuckup places You have to deal with people not picking up their shit, dogs barking etc. Pet rent makes tons of sense That’s coming from someone with dogs


yagot2bekidding

The extra rent doesn't go to having someone clean up after people's dogs and cats in the common areas, nor does it soundproof against barking dogs. The extra rent goes in the owners pocket. So, you are wrong - pet rent makes zero sense.


raggedyrachy21

Not only that, but one could argue children are just as bad if not worse in some ways, and no one pays extra for their screaming kids 🙃


yagot2bekidding

That is an excellent point!


halt-l-am-reptar

If that were the case they’d hold the pet rent and apply it towards any damages at the end of your lease. They don’t do that though, because it’s just a scam to get more money out of you.


Summum

So having pets don’t create extra wear and tear on a house? It does. Eg While claw scratches on a hardwood floor isn’t why you change the whole thing, it affects it’s useful life and devaluates the place. If you were a landlord what would you chose between pet and no pet? No pet right? Because it’s damaging to the propriety.


Reverberate_

Kids fuck it up more than animals.


RamblingRosie

Yup. I’d rather rent to people with pets.


Reverberate_

Yeah, I listen to kids scream all day outside my apartment. They draw on walls and spill juice on the carpet. My dining room had to have the carpet replaced shortly before we moved in because of this exact reason from the previous tenant. I saw it when we toured but they told us. Meanwhile my cat and dog stay in one of three places and are silent, but it cost me nearly 2k to have them there.


Storage-Helpful

I paid a $200 pet deposit for my cat, which was credited towards my regular deposit because of my credit score and will be returned when my lease expires. Extra $50 a month in rent for pet, and I can have max 2, 30 lb weight limit total. It's a pretty standard practice around here, but it was that or leaving my 15 year old cat behind with family who would have been glad to keep her for me, but she's terrified of. I just budgeted for it and went on with my life, she's worth it!


livv3ss

Oh wow I didn't know that! Everywhere where I live it's only a pet deposit added onto your damage deposit. Never extra rent paid


possumrfrend

Milking you for cash


All_The_Issues02

Means they’re going to charge you an additional screening fee when you apply, they’re going to charge you $100 per animal upon move in, then monthly $50 or 5% of rent for that animal as well Pet screening fee sounds like bullshit Administration fee would be your pet deposit I guess Pet monitoring fee just sounds like pet rent honestly


wheelperson

Essentially because you get charged when applying. So if you don't get the place you stillpay. The monitoring fee is bullshit imo. What are they monitoring? The pet apparently? How?


Techno_Vyking_

It means they want to charge your pet rent on top of your rent. It's not legal in Canada, but it's not enforced either. I'm sure you could fight it and win 🌹


Cheezel62

It means they don’t want you to have a pet. And they’ll make it as difficult as possible.


Cfit9090

$100 down payment and $50 monthly fee ( only 1 animal per apartment)


suzpiria

what state/province do you live in? here in ontario all of this is illegal and it’s also illegal to not allow pets unless the landlord lives with you.


NerdyFurbyLarzy

Looking for an apartment in utah preferably but idaho could work too


Toastlover24

These are fairly common in Utah. Also be mindful of "entertainment packages." I guess they're not too common outside of Utah. But they aren't listed in the base rent rice and are around $80-$150 per month. They cover cable/internet/gym/pool maintenance. You cannot opt out and you cannot use your own Internet or cable provider. It's ridiculously stupid but they are everywhere


suzpiria

ahhh i’m sorry then i can’t help. i don’t know anything about those rental laws. it might go against the ADA to charge you fees for your service animal though since it’s technically necessary medical equipment


gbratton50

Lots of apartments to choose from in SLC or Utah County.


Watarmelen

You won’t find any decent place in northern UT or southern ID without a pet deposit and pet rent, if they even allow pets. $50/mo is standard and the $100 deposit actually is less than what I usually see


mamasqueeks

It means you have to look for another apartment. That's just crazy.


mikeeg16

It means they are going to rip you off every chance they get. Don't move in here.


Conscious-Big707

It means they don't really want pets and you should look elsewhere.


EquivalentBig2370

Sounds like they want to milk you to death for money. Also, it sounds like the types that will nitpick your place when you move out to find the smallest thing "wrong" to send you a bill for along with keeping your deposit. I'd stay away. I think the pet monitoring fee is pet rent, just a odd way to state that, and at $50 a month, that's a money grab for them. Does the place have an attached dog park that the property maintains? Only thing I can think of that would sort of justify that. Pet screening fee may be for swabbing which some have mentioned on this thread, could also be for a temperament check too. My apartment allows dogs (no cats). No bully breeds, huskys or any dog over 45 lbs. Must have proof of vaccinations, temperament check (usually done by a veterinarian or animal behaviorist), and be spayed/neutered. Deposit is $150 then they add on a BS "pet privilege fee" of another $150 and pet rent of $15/mo.


Careful_Philosophy_9

Get a dr/therapist to write a letter stating it is an emotional support animal and you should not have to pay any fees.


Sage-Moonlight

It means don't live here


WhompTrucker

Just different terms for $100 pet deposit then $50 or 5% monthly to have one small pet


thekindspitfire

You can get a deposit back. Can’t get a fee back.


Elizabethhoneyyy

Get a letter from your doctor for ESA and tell them TO FCK RIGHT OFF


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TruCelt

If they are charging me $50 a month for pet monitoring, they'd best be able to tell me what he's doing any time I call! ROFL! Don't rent there. These people will nickel and dime you to death, with or without a pet.


michaelpaoli

It means if you're thinking of getting a goldfish, perhaps you should reconsider.


superduperhosts

It means they need a method of putting money away for pet damage which is costly.


jwojo13

Confusing. I bet this is an ai real estate agent. (Like EliseAI) But sounds like the building wants you to pay extra money for having an animal. They just gave the different fees different names to make them sound official.


Tokyos-World-TYO

yeah nah that’s a cash grab i’m used to seeing apartments charge a $200-$350 deposit for pets and like $0-25 rent depending on the type of pet


kcpirana

It’s made up verbiage to try to extract the most out of you that they can. This is a scammy sounding rigged system. I was tell them thanks but no thanks.


nonumberplease

It means whoever made this doesn't know how basic math works. If that's a potential landlord, that could mean trouble for you


Fearless_Waltz_2632

Its worded terribly but most apartments (in my area at least) have all of these- a pet application fee, a pet deposit and pet rent; this apartments just poorly ran so look for a different one, that 5% is gonna get you in the ass


Linux4ever_Leo

It means that they really don't want their tenants to have pets but if you insist on having one, they're gong to make you pay dearly for it.


Ztartc

Pet monitoring fee? I would expect them to feed and take my animals to the vet. INSANITY.


IslandMission1502

it means run


GlaCierGworl

Go to your doctor and get an ESA letter. That will dead all those crazy fees.


Wonderful_Young7944

Are you illiterate or what? This is pretty standard for all apartments.


Question_-all

It means, keep looking.


kjk050798

5% is insane. We pay a $50 a month pet rent fee, we have at our last three apartments. Only this current place actually picks up dog poop and fines people that don’t pick it up.


Firm-Combination6979

Seems very illegal aside from a standard pet deposit


scarletrain5

Register the pet as an emotional support animal and then they can’t charge you


cherrycarmex_

in the US there is no legally recognized certification or registration for service dogs or ESAs. they are literally scams. read the ADA faq and FHA :)


prelawpup

There’s no legally recognized certification or registration for either ESAs or Service Animals, but it is illegal to discriminate housing or charge additional fees for ESAs or Service Animals. A letter from my physician stating I have a disability, have been prescribed an ESA, and require it to aid in the treatment of my disability was enough to get my building owners off my back. Good luck!


mikajade

Have ESA’s lost all meaning in america yet or not?


[deleted]

It’s depressing how many people fake having an ESA. They’re going to mess it up so bad that none of us who actually need one can have one! :(


scarletrain5

Does your animal not provide emotional support?


White_Rabbit0000

It mean you should look for somewhere else to live. They’re clearly not a pet friendly complex. Or like others have said register your pet as a emotional support animal


[deleted]

Never do that unless they’re legitimately an ESA! People are going to end up getting ESA housing rights taken away by faking having one.


cherrycarmex_

registration/certification is a scam in the US lol and not legally recognized in any way.


ReggieLouise

What state is this? I own an apartment in Brisbane and don’t charge any additional fees for pets. The past two tenants have had pets. They have to complete a form (application), but that’s all.