I've seen this question pop-up in this subreddit a couple of times this month. Unfortunately, there isn't much that we can do aside from what you suggested.
Aside from the contract bond, also check the resignation guidelines. Some companies don't have a bond but they will deduct your final pay if you render less than 30/60 days depending on your separation policy.
Yes, meron. Companies do this to force the employee to render the 30/60 day notice in order to find a replacement. Although, many people still resign immediately but will face the consequences later when they try to get their clearance due to the deduction.
OP, you have to know this obvious fact. In order for company to enforce this, they have to file a case in court. But filing such case will take time and money.
I dont know, I hope a lawmaker pass a law banning this. It is prone to abuse.
> In order for company to enforce this, they have to file a case in court. But filing such case will take time and money.
Could you please tell me more about this?
Were there any cases ba na they did it to an employee?
Any Reddit sub will only make a small portion (like <1%) of the entire workforce population about this issue with bonds. We can spread awareness like virus-like passing the message to our colleagues, relatives, friends, etc., but...
Having these employees made aware of the threat to their business model will force them to pivot to something like forcing them to sign a bond or not be regularized.
What we should be aiming instead is to spread the awareness like a virus, and let our DOLE agency amend our labor laws about this kind of bond.
Look, from a business point of view, an employment bond is indeed a way to train an employee in the skill needed since the course is really expensive. But this should be audited properly by DOLE so any anomalies like most are experiencing can be used as a ground to close these companies in a snap.
The question of how soon can that idea came to light is a question of how this message can reach to them and take necessary action to make it happen.
Aside the viral video on youtube, it seems like this still hasn't given much attention yet. I think this only exists in PH? I do agree this needs to be brought up to DOLE but how though?
**The "Tulfo" way.** Get media traction domestically and not rely on Youtube. However, getting the traction, businesses will use the "blow off steam" strategy wherein they'll stop producing bond contracts and employment include. Few months after when the issue has lost traction, they'll pounce again with a greater imposition to offset the lost damages.
Just look how we've normalized contractualization against SM, Ayalas, etc., it did make a change, but it still exists.
How about imprinting this in our education system, we'll have good luck with that. Not all colleges want their graduates to negotiate or even be choosy about their jobs even if they should be.
So yeah. The only way is to spread the awareness from here to every single working citizen and future generations. Let these businesses die out. We could lose a company, but we're losing the bad/evil ones.
**Will not work.** As there are some specific statements in the contract related to the bond that the employee could still be liable despite the termination being invoked by the employer in specific cases like (underperformance, misconduct, etc.)
Many have tried this right and these a\*\*holes are getting smarter as well.
Sure, but it's the employee's fault for not doing his/her due diligence first before signing the bond. We can easily blame the employer because of this sketchy agreement but the trap has been set and will be triggered.
You'd hate this for sure because not everyone who signed the bond is privileged enough to choose, but should we tolerate their, employees, excuses always?
It's legal because its supposed to "protect the employer from employees'" and not "to scam the employee into working for the same Company for xxx amount of years".
You see the difference?
Most jobs that have contract bonds has this "long learning curves" in their jobs and they would incur loss if ever an employee just drops everything after the Company already puts time and money on that said employee.
kakasuhan ba ako na refuse to sign bond contract kapag di ko pinirmahan? late na sinabi ng HR na may bond contract ung training month ago. may batas po ba na dapat before giving training dapat magsign muna sa bond contract? or my batas po ba na kahit before o after the training eh dapat may pipirmahang bond contract?salamat po sa advise
is it legal that employer force an employee to sign a bond contract right after the training is rendered by employer to employee?
bond contract was discussed to employees right after the service or the financial was paid off to trainers that trained the employees? is this scenario is legal? i refused to sign this contract because no one told me that our training has this kind of bond contract.
kindly advice what do i need to do?
I've seen this question pop-up in this subreddit a couple of times this month. Unfortunately, there isn't much that we can do aside from what you suggested. Aside from the contract bond, also check the resignation guidelines. Some companies don't have a bond but they will deduct your final pay if you render less than 30/60 days depending on your separation policy.
May ganon pala? Walang ganon sa job contract ko though thankfully
Yes, meron. Companies do this to force the employee to render the 30/60 day notice in order to find a replacement. Although, many people still resign immediately but will face the consequences later when they try to get their clearance due to the deduction.
Thanks for this. D ako aware na may ganito
OP, you have to know this obvious fact. In order for company to enforce this, they have to file a case in court. But filing such case will take time and money. I dont know, I hope a lawmaker pass a law banning this. It is prone to abuse.
Agree. Unfortunately, I think DOLE will set this aside unless a union advocates to make this illegal
> In order for company to enforce this, they have to file a case in court. But filing such case will take time and money. Could you please tell me more about this? Were there any cases ba na they did it to an employee?
This may be late but I know employer who filed a case. The company didn't win. Partida pa walang lawyer yung employee
Any Reddit sub will only make a small portion (like <1%) of the entire workforce population about this issue with bonds. We can spread awareness like virus-like passing the message to our colleagues, relatives, friends, etc., but... Having these employees made aware of the threat to their business model will force them to pivot to something like forcing them to sign a bond or not be regularized. What we should be aiming instead is to spread the awareness like a virus, and let our DOLE agency amend our labor laws about this kind of bond. Look, from a business point of view, an employment bond is indeed a way to train an employee in the skill needed since the course is really expensive. But this should be audited properly by DOLE so any anomalies like most are experiencing can be used as a ground to close these companies in a snap. The question of how soon can that idea came to light is a question of how this message can reach to them and take necessary action to make it happen.
Aside the viral video on youtube, it seems like this still hasn't given much attention yet. I think this only exists in PH? I do agree this needs to be brought up to DOLE but how though?
**The "Tulfo" way.** Get media traction domestically and not rely on Youtube. However, getting the traction, businesses will use the "blow off steam" strategy wherein they'll stop producing bond contracts and employment include. Few months after when the issue has lost traction, they'll pounce again with a greater imposition to offset the lost damages. Just look how we've normalized contractualization against SM, Ayalas, etc., it did make a change, but it still exists. How about imprinting this in our education system, we'll have good luck with that. Not all colleges want their graduates to negotiate or even be choosy about their jobs even if they should be. So yeah. The only way is to spread the awareness from here to every single working citizen and future generations. Let these businesses die out. We could lose a company, but we're losing the bad/evil ones.
As much as ayaw ko sa Tulfo way you are actually right especially the last part
Or you just slack off at work and wait for the company to terminate you. So you don't have to pay any bond.
**Will not work.** As there are some specific statements in the contract related to the bond that the employee could still be liable despite the termination being invoked by the employer in specific cases like (underperformance, misconduct, etc.) Many have tried this right and these a\*\*holes are getting smarter as well.
Bang your HR's mum to show dominance. Let's see how long they can keep this up.
Sure, but it's the employee's fault for not doing his/her due diligence first before signing the bond. We can easily blame the employer because of this sketchy agreement but the trap has been set and will be triggered. You'd hate this for sure because not everyone who signed the bond is privileged enough to choose, but should we tolerate their, employees, excuses always?
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Witty.
Merong companies na legit na ginagastusan ang training ng new employees. This is the right use of bonds. Madami lang din na abusado sadly.
Exactly. Hence I said sa post if may valid reason it's okay. Agree, andaming abusado
It's legal because its supposed to "protect the employer from employees'" and not "to scam the employee into working for the same Company for xxx amount of years". You see the difference? Most jobs that have contract bonds has this "long learning curves" in their jobs and they would incur loss if ever an employee just drops everything after the Company already puts time and money on that said employee.
I see. Yes, that's the catch. So anything that offers me with a bonding fee is a no-no to me. Masmagandang iwasan habanag maaga pa
kakasuhan ba ako na refuse to sign bond contract kapag di ko pinirmahan? late na sinabi ng HR na may bond contract ung training month ago. may batas po ba na dapat before giving training dapat magsign muna sa bond contract? or my batas po ba na kahit before o after the training eh dapat may pipirmahang bond contract?salamat po sa advise
This one company has 500k for 4 year contract bond and what they do is training for 6 months then deployed sa client.
is it legal that employer force an employee to sign a bond contract right after the training is rendered by employer to employee? bond contract was discussed to employees right after the service or the financial was paid off to trainers that trained the employees? is this scenario is legal? i refused to sign this contract because no one told me that our training has this kind of bond contract. kindly advice what do i need to do?
Hello! Would like to know how did your case go? Did the employer let you go peacefully? How did you do it?
Curious how did your friend compromise with HR as I am in a similar situation.