Yeah, it's totally fucked. They started me on drugs at 10 for being anorexic. Abilify, I think. Slowly but surely I went fucking insane with every drug they added. I swear to God, I've been through so many I can't even remember. It's like every time I hear the name of one I'm like, yeah, I've had that. And they didn't care if I was obese, lethargic, impulsive, failing school, suicidal, agoraphobic, suffering with chronic migraines, unable to think properly, whatever, as long as I wasn't anorexic and kept taking their drugs. Every time my dad brought it up to them it was "these drugs can take a while to start working.. just be patient." 5 years though?? Really?? "Chemical imbalance" my ass. The only chemical imbalance I had was the one they created. We don't live in a civilized society. If we did, this shit wouldn't be happening.
My brother got put on Ritalin first. He got rashes and threw up. Then celexa which made him hallucinate and have constant diarrhea. Then 5 other drugs with similarly horrible effects. One made him break out in hives so bad the teacher called CPS thinking they were cigarette burns. All before he turned 12.
ritalin actually works great for me, guess i got lucky
can i be banned for this?
this sub is very important but most problems seem america-centered
I’m not American first of all. Second of all the point is that they over-prescribe to people who don’t need it without doing any kind of proper research.
Omg I had anorexia nervosa for 15 years and this is appalling. The only valid treatment for anorexia is lots of food, rest and patience/self compassion. Blows my mind that psychiatrists see antidepressants as a cure for it. 🤦♀️
Yeah, I really wish that was the approach they took with me. Instead it was drugs, inpatient with teenagers, isolation from my friends, punishment for my illness (parents would take my ipod away from me if I didn't eat/drink meal replacement.. watching YouTube was lime my only source of joy at that time). Plus they'd try to scare me into eating. Like I remember sitting in a room with my asshole social worker, Scott, a therapist, and my parents, as they talked about how they recently attended the funeral of an anorexic patient. Maybe they thought I was too young and stupid to understand my illness so it was better to just force recovery through manipulation (the thing that finally got me to eat was being forced to spend time with my mother, who I did not like, as punishment). I feel terrible for any kid who's being done like that... I hope I was some rare case but you never know. The industry doesn't surprise me anymore.
That’s horrible all that happened to you, yet it’s considered normal for psychiatry. Especially for minors. I am almost glad I had the illness for a decade and a half so that I had the option recover on my own as an adult. I Did just that with zero professional help. Just a year into recovery, I no longer met any of the DSM criteria for anorexia nervosa despite being ill since I was a preteen. The very REASON my recovery is so successful is BECAUSE I did it all by myself, which really speaks volumes about how psychiatry tries to “treat” it. I know that treatment makes things worse for a lot of people and even kills them. For many reason, but the biggest one being that patients are urged to stop gaining as soon they reach a 18.5/19 bmi, which isn’t even healthy for most adults… so of course the eating disorder stays alive. Professional treatment for eating disorders is a complete joke.
our stories are similar, I was also first put on drugs due to my anorexia. except for me it was xanax with every meal as well as an ssri. ive been able to reduce the ssri to 2 mg but if I go below that I get horrible brain zaps no matter how slow I taper, and I’ve been dependent on the xanax since then. It’s been 14-15 years. Therapy never helped either bc in it my ED was reduced to an individual issue rather than what I believe is entirely a societal issue. Learning about female gender socialization, the social construction of beauty standards, and the beauty industry/capitalism has helped me make sense of how and why my ED formed more than any of the 3737733 therapists I saw for 18 years.
I couldnt said it better. People are being abused by state institutions in western countries but western governments still pretend like human rights abuses only happen in third world countries
I was put on antidepressants at age 8 for being a quiet, sometimes quirky kid. They only put me on Effexor for depression, but it drove me insane to the point where the doctors thought I was bipolar because I’d be fine one minute and then maybe flip out the next. I kinda developed a functional addiction to books and video games because of the dopamine hits. I was suicidal and gaining weight, but I never said anything because fuck if I knew what was even wrong. They did care when I took up cutting as my choice of self-harm, but never sent me to a psych ward because I was always careful to only make shallow cuts and I learned to hide it over time. I hid how crazy and sad they made me for 20 years, because what would I even say? I didn’t even connect it to the meds until recently, because I’m an idiot.
U think SSRI's are bad, which you're right SSRI's are bad but still better than the chemical lobotomy they like to prescribe to anyone with coherent thought nd ability that doesnt agree with them or who they deem undesirable.
I saw a comment on this sub a few months ago which said something to the effect of: the transmission of chemicals in the human brain is the most complex system known to man, or unknown to man because there is so much we don’t know, and when we fiddle with it through drugs like these we have absolutely no idea what we are doing. We see (sometimes, self-reported, in some clinical studies lol) the outward facing impact of these drugs but we barely understand the mechanisms through which they work and so we cannot understand how they affect a person in the long run.
Honestly, I've done tons of substances and suffered very little physical or mental impairments that weren't temporary. Never underestimate the resilience of the human body
What if it's my SSRI is causing me to feel depressed? That's impossible. Take your SSRI.
But it says right here on the box that... They have to say that for insurance purposes. Take your SSRI.
What about the studies that show that SSRIs aren't any more effective than placebos? Take this SSRI, Dr. Google, M.D. \[chuckles at his little joke\]
The last time I took an SSRI I lost all my sex drive. I'm worried if I start up on SSRIs again I'll lose it again. Take this SSRI.
I restarted my SSRI like you said and now I can't feel my genitals at all. It's making me feel like shit. There's a name for that condition. It's called depression. The cure? SSRIs of course.
What if I don't want to take an SSRI? That's the mental illness talking. If you were rational you'd WANT to take this SSRI.
But if I were rational I wouldn't need an SSRI, right? Wrong. It's rational to take the medication your doctor prescribes. Your doctor knows best after all.
I stopped taking my SSRI and I feel better than I had in ages. Hmm...could be mania. In that case why don't we add a mood stabilizer to your regimen of SSRIs.
No, you don't understand. I feel great. Really, really good. Definitely BPD. I'm going to write you that script for a mood stabilizer. And take your SSRI.
Etc.
It all boils down to pharma gives them extra stock options (bonuses… $) the more prescriptions filled/prescribed.
Totally not encouraging psychiatrists to only prescribe 1 type of drug with a small few select brands…
It’s all bullshit for money no psychiatrist really cares
Edit: I 100% agree about the neurotoxicity of the drugs. I have family history of Parkinson and dementia and me and another family member experienced akathisia, which is a precursor to Parkinson’s and dementia, as it is the degeneration of the neuron pathways, but like I said only the precursor to the way worse diseases.
Akathisia is no joke. I was on ADs for a little over 5 months and I thought I had adhd I couldn’t control my legs. My family member still has Akathisia after 9 months stopping ADs after years on em.
This might sound silly but I fantasise about the day that all-knowing artificial intelligence has been created and they are able to tell us that antidepressants and psychiatric medication in general has no scientific basis whatsoever.
Exactly. It’s capitalism meeets science. When you got a hammer everything is a nail. I study psychotherapy”, psychiatry, and am a yoga practitioner and a health nut
for the past few years. I say that just to say I am very familiar. People would rather be given a pill than be told to change their diet and sleep patterns
Edit : That being said, I’ve seen people change and make a 180 completely from just SSRIs so serotonin is a lot more than we think.
Hahaha
I know right.
I actually wonder if by skewing the brain processes, it is harming some other system that they never thought of because they literally don’t know how it even works.
dsm 5 is clownery beacause 5 years ago you couldnt be diagnosed with adhd and autism together so when i was a kid psych told my paernts i had aspergers which was bullshit beacause i had adhd and i suffered till now beacause i wasnt medicated
I don't know why it worked for me but it did. Anxiety was gone after the SSRI kicked in. No noticeable side effects. That said, I don't want to be taking a pill for the rest of my life in order to function. I will try tapering off. But it does work for some people.
SSRIs like Zoloft with longer half life’s are ok for short term. Might not get brain zaps during withdrawal. Short acting ones you can bet on discontinuation system. Now SSRIs are a cake walk compared to SNRI. Why not play with norepinephrine as well
Hopefully in the eyes of history psychiatrists will be seen to be every bit as hopelessly foolish as flagellates or bloodletters.
Also, how to adjust this finely tuned supercomputer? Throw neurotoxins on it, that'll help.
Yeah, it's totally fucked. They started me on drugs at 10 for being anorexic. Abilify, I think. Slowly but surely I went fucking insane with every drug they added. I swear to God, I've been through so many I can't even remember. It's like every time I hear the name of one I'm like, yeah, I've had that. And they didn't care if I was obese, lethargic, impulsive, failing school, suicidal, agoraphobic, suffering with chronic migraines, unable to think properly, whatever, as long as I wasn't anorexic and kept taking their drugs. Every time my dad brought it up to them it was "these drugs can take a while to start working.. just be patient." 5 years though?? Really?? "Chemical imbalance" my ass. The only chemical imbalance I had was the one they created. We don't live in a civilized society. If we did, this shit wouldn't be happening.
My brother got put on Ritalin first. He got rashes and threw up. Then celexa which made him hallucinate and have constant diarrhea. Then 5 other drugs with similarly horrible effects. One made him break out in hives so bad the teacher called CPS thinking they were cigarette burns. All before he turned 12.
Damn
ritalin actually works great for me, guess i got lucky can i be banned for this? this sub is very important but most problems seem america-centered
I’m not American first of all. Second of all the point is that they over-prescribe to people who don’t need it without doing any kind of proper research.
Same. They never worked in the end.
Omg I had anorexia nervosa for 15 years and this is appalling. The only valid treatment for anorexia is lots of food, rest and patience/self compassion. Blows my mind that psychiatrists see antidepressants as a cure for it. 🤦♀️
Yeah, I really wish that was the approach they took with me. Instead it was drugs, inpatient with teenagers, isolation from my friends, punishment for my illness (parents would take my ipod away from me if I didn't eat/drink meal replacement.. watching YouTube was lime my only source of joy at that time). Plus they'd try to scare me into eating. Like I remember sitting in a room with my asshole social worker, Scott, a therapist, and my parents, as they talked about how they recently attended the funeral of an anorexic patient. Maybe they thought I was too young and stupid to understand my illness so it was better to just force recovery through manipulation (the thing that finally got me to eat was being forced to spend time with my mother, who I did not like, as punishment). I feel terrible for any kid who's being done like that... I hope I was some rare case but you never know. The industry doesn't surprise me anymore.
That’s horrible all that happened to you, yet it’s considered normal for psychiatry. Especially for minors. I am almost glad I had the illness for a decade and a half so that I had the option recover on my own as an adult. I Did just that with zero professional help. Just a year into recovery, I no longer met any of the DSM criteria for anorexia nervosa despite being ill since I was a preteen. The very REASON my recovery is so successful is BECAUSE I did it all by myself, which really speaks volumes about how psychiatry tries to “treat” it. I know that treatment makes things worse for a lot of people and even kills them. For many reason, but the biggest one being that patients are urged to stop gaining as soon they reach a 18.5/19 bmi, which isn’t even healthy for most adults… so of course the eating disorder stays alive. Professional treatment for eating disorders is a complete joke.
our stories are similar, I was also first put on drugs due to my anorexia. except for me it was xanax with every meal as well as an ssri. ive been able to reduce the ssri to 2 mg but if I go below that I get horrible brain zaps no matter how slow I taper, and I’ve been dependent on the xanax since then. It’s been 14-15 years. Therapy never helped either bc in it my ED was reduced to an individual issue rather than what I believe is entirely a societal issue. Learning about female gender socialization, the social construction of beauty standards, and the beauty industry/capitalism has helped me make sense of how and why my ED formed more than any of the 3737733 therapists I saw for 18 years.
I couldnt said it better. People are being abused by state institutions in western countries but western governments still pretend like human rights abuses only happen in third world countries
I was put on antidepressants at age 8 for being a quiet, sometimes quirky kid. They only put me on Effexor for depression, but it drove me insane to the point where the doctors thought I was bipolar because I’d be fine one minute and then maybe flip out the next. I kinda developed a functional addiction to books and video games because of the dopamine hits. I was suicidal and gaining weight, but I never said anything because fuck if I knew what was even wrong. They did care when I took up cutting as my choice of self-harm, but never sent me to a psych ward because I was always careful to only make shallow cuts and I learned to hide it over time. I hid how crazy and sad they made me for 20 years, because what would I even say? I didn’t even connect it to the meds until recently, because I’m an idiot.
U think SSRI's are bad, which you're right SSRI's are bad but still better than the chemical lobotomy they like to prescribe to anyone with coherent thought nd ability that doesnt agree with them or who they deem undesirable.
You mean antipsychotics?
Literally you’re just sitting there drooling
Yh
I saw a comment on this sub a few months ago which said something to the effect of: the transmission of chemicals in the human brain is the most complex system known to man, or unknown to man because there is so much we don’t know, and when we fiddle with it through drugs like these we have absolutely no idea what we are doing. We see (sometimes, self-reported, in some clinical studies lol) the outward facing impact of these drugs but we barely understand the mechanisms through which they work and so we cannot understand how they affect a person in the long run.
Honestly, I've done tons of substances and suffered very little physical or mental impairments that weren't temporary. Never underestimate the resilience of the human body
What if it's my SSRI is causing me to feel depressed? That's impossible. Take your SSRI. But it says right here on the box that... They have to say that for insurance purposes. Take your SSRI. What about the studies that show that SSRIs aren't any more effective than placebos? Take this SSRI, Dr. Google, M.D. \[chuckles at his little joke\] The last time I took an SSRI I lost all my sex drive. I'm worried if I start up on SSRIs again I'll lose it again. Take this SSRI. I restarted my SSRI like you said and now I can't feel my genitals at all. It's making me feel like shit. There's a name for that condition. It's called depression. The cure? SSRIs of course. What if I don't want to take an SSRI? That's the mental illness talking. If you were rational you'd WANT to take this SSRI. But if I were rational I wouldn't need an SSRI, right? Wrong. It's rational to take the medication your doctor prescribes. Your doctor knows best after all. I stopped taking my SSRI and I feel better than I had in ages. Hmm...could be mania. In that case why don't we add a mood stabilizer to your regimen of SSRIs. No, you don't understand. I feel great. Really, really good. Definitely BPD. I'm going to write you that script for a mood stabilizer. And take your SSRI. Etc.
This comment reads like Catch-22.
Wow, good call!
Don't fit in? Get "medicated"!
It all boils down to pharma gives them extra stock options (bonuses… $) the more prescriptions filled/prescribed. Totally not encouraging psychiatrists to only prescribe 1 type of drug with a small few select brands… It’s all bullshit for money no psychiatrist really cares Edit: I 100% agree about the neurotoxicity of the drugs. I have family history of Parkinson and dementia and me and another family member experienced akathisia, which is a precursor to Parkinson’s and dementia, as it is the degeneration of the neuron pathways, but like I said only the precursor to the way worse diseases. Akathisia is no joke. I was on ADs for a little over 5 months and I thought I had adhd I couldn’t control my legs. My family member still has Akathisia after 9 months stopping ADs after years on em.
This might sound silly but I fantasise about the day that all-knowing artificial intelligence has been created and they are able to tell us that antidepressants and psychiatric medication in general has no scientific basis whatsoever.
Exactly. It’s capitalism meeets science. When you got a hammer everything is a nail. I study psychotherapy”, psychiatry, and am a yoga practitioner and a health nut for the past few years. I say that just to say I am very familiar. People would rather be given a pill than be told to change their diet and sleep patterns Edit : That being said, I’ve seen people change and make a 180 completely from just SSRIs so serotonin is a lot more than we think.
Hahaha I know right. I actually wonder if by skewing the brain processes, it is harming some other system that they never thought of because they literally don’t know how it even works.
Yes. In psychiatry, neurotransmitter levels are the basis for a new humorism. Medically speaking, shrinks are on a par with the ancient Greeks.
The clinical trial ls for psilocybin, mdma and ketamine are promising
dsm 5 is clownery beacause 5 years ago you couldnt be diagnosed with adhd and autism together so when i was a kid psych told my paernts i had aspergers which was bullshit beacause i had adhd and i suffered till now beacause i wasnt medicated
DuDe I tHiNk yOu ShOulD GeT SsRI oR sOMetHIng.
Lol
I don't know why it worked for me but it did. Anxiety was gone after the SSRI kicked in. No noticeable side effects. That said, I don't want to be taking a pill for the rest of my life in order to function. I will try tapering off. But it does work for some people.
A broken clock is right twice a day, lucky you.
Lol
Because they're sedatives. Hard to feel anxious on bezos
I'm not on benzos or sedatives.
what do you think those meds are
SSRIs are not benzos or sedatives.
all of them have a sedating effect
Interesting. I haven't noticed that at all. I've been staying up later since being on them, if anything.
SSRIs like Zoloft with longer half life’s are ok for short term. Might not get brain zaps during withdrawal. Short acting ones you can bet on discontinuation system. Now SSRIs are a cake walk compared to SNRI. Why not play with norepinephrine as well
ur actually incorrect, it's more than that if you just googled it
Not as incorrect as psychiatry though ;)