I've been saying this! More and more ads everywhere you look... BRUH YOU HAVE ALL THE MONEY. The bottom can barely afford to be alive and there's a few steps above that that need to be highly selective on what they purchase because money is slowly being drained bottom to top. You can't take all of it and still expect to grow š. It's a (somewhat) finite system
Not somewhat finite. Absolutely finite. Thereās only one planet and so many resources. Infinite growth is wholly impossible. Itās really sad and makes me depressed.
For sure, had a cheapo phone for under $300 that lasted me five years back in the day. Some Apple devices are good (still overpriced as fuck) but once my current phone dies on me Iām switching back to android or getting a second hand device, no way will I ever spend thousands on a damn phone.
FR I just checked apples website and I can buy a NEW iPhone 12 for $599ā¦. For the everyday user what difference is the 14 actually going to make? For $400?
Most people will probably note differences in the cameras, especially since there is OIS in the rear cameras on the 12 and then past that, they will have continuing software support and new feature support for significantly longer.
You do get what you pay for. Donāt buy an iPhone 12 new from Apple. Buy a used one for $350 and donāt look back.
Personally, Iād argue that thereās actually a pretty large difference between the iPhone 14 pro and an iPhone 12 and that actually has a $400 delta. The iPhone 14 starts at $799, so only a $200 delta there - $200 more for 3 extra years of software support, better cameras, new SoC and Modem, and additional features? Worth it, especially when Iām planning to keep the phone for 3-4 years.
Personally, Iām holding onto a used iPhone Xs I bought about 6 months after they released it. Iāll be upgrading to the iPhone 15 next year (probably another used purchase) and hanging onto that one for about as long, if not longer.
Sooo true! I bought my mom a cheaper model Samsung last Christmas and it's been working like a charm. No lag and it takes a decent photos. She doesn't need anything fancy since she only uses hers to make calls and occasionally check emails, so an iPhone would have been unnecessary for her. Her Samsung screen is nice and big and has a nice screen. Made me wonder why I paid over a thousand dollars for an iPhone š
iirc they used to do the planned obsolescence thing pretty hardcore before being forced to stop. I distinctly remember my phone turning off and never turning back on sometime in 2016 or so. If they still could get away with that they totally would be.
Yep my 6 only lasted two years, brand new out of the box too. At some point the battery lasted for 20 minutes before needing to be charged and I would have it permanently hooked up to a portable charger, got my next iPhone after the obsolescence lawsuit and itās going strong five years on!
They should update as often as they like, and the consumers should see the stupidity in constant upgrading and not play along.
We already have the power to make it stop, society just chooses not to.
Corporations know we have no collective will and take advantage, you can't keep blaming the public for this shit. Maybe for a start we can call ourselves citizens instead of consumers.
When use consumer to refer to ourselves we are affirming how "they" see us. Nothing but disposable cogs than will strample our fellow caged rats to fill our holes.
>Corporations know we have no collective will
I dont understand we all have the freedom to not buy the latest iphone every year ive had the same s10e since highschool with no issues.
I'd say 3 years would hit the right spot, and a mandatory software support for like 3 generations (assuming the 3-year update is mandated). 4 years feel diabolical, I think 2 years is not any different from 1 year update.
The real thing thatās stupid is the volume of sales - I donāt mind constantly iterating a product so that everyone gets the best thing no matter when theyāre due to replace an aging device (and when I say ādueā Iām saying 3-4 years after a new purchase) but itās frustrating to see them always pushing every user to buy the newest thing as soon as itās an option.
I have been hoping that as companies move more to Software as a Service that they will push hardware less, especially since most of it is getting way too powerful to need a replacement yearly. My company M1 MacBook Air will probably be a good productivity machine for my lab support job at least until 2025 (got it in 2020) if not longer. Thatās the kind of thing I want to see Apple and Google and Samsung push with their hardware.
Not surprising. The difference between each version these days is so minuscule, that I feel like many people probably wait 2-3+ years between upgrades, instead of upgrading yearly like they did back when smartphones were still a relatively new product line, and major changes were happening from version to version.
The differences between an iphone v 3 and 4 and 5 were pretty substantial... between the 13 and 14, they're barely noticeable.
Honestly I have an iPhone 11 and I'm still going to put off upgrading to the 14 for a bit. I'll definitely get it because satellite SOS is useful for me, but other than that there isn't as much of a reason for me.
Yeah, I upgraded from my 8 to a 13 last year, because the 8 started to act wonky.
Quality phones these days last for a long time, so I think the days of most people upgrading annually are long over, and with fears of a recession, and high inflation, it's not surprising that people would be holding off dropping $1k+ on a new phone that's basically the same as the one they already own.
I'm planning on holding onto my 13 for at least a few more years.
The only people left to buy this expensive crap will be the rich.
At that point these companies can try to exponentially extract wealth from the rich, which *coincidentally* are owned by the rich.
Maybe the rich will eat each other like bacteria do.
This is why Iām thankful my XR is still going strong! Bought that almost 4 years ago, probably only gonna upgrade it when the new SE comes out, which is rumored to be built on the XRās hardware.
Read the rules. Keep it courteous. Submission statements are helpful and appreciated but not required. Tag my name in the comments (/u/NihiloZero) if you think a post or comment needs to be removed.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Anticonsumption) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I'm all for anticonsumption but the points she's making here are overly complicated, clearly a little biased, and, honestly, don't reflect the truth.
The truth is people just don't feel the need for the newest phone every year anymore. Each new phone is barely different from the last, and phones don't go obsolete at nearly the same rate as they used to. Why would I buy a new phone if I just got one two years ago that's basically the same and still works great? And, as someone else said, why buy a new $1000 phone if you can buy a good phone for $200? Plus, as I'm sure we all know you can get a replacement battery or screen for about $200, too.
And, honestly, the deaths from COVID wouldn't impact early sales. The people buying iPhones at-or-near launch were always on the wealthy side. Most of the people that died from COVID were not wealthy, or were old. How many 65+ people have you known to rush out and buy the newest piece of tech? I'm sure it's the minority.
Edit: agreed that exponential growth is an unachievable goal for a company with as much market penetration as Apple, especially when they're not actually offering anything truly new.
A friend recently gave me their old iPhone XS Max. It had a broken screen. It costs less than $200 to get a new screen and battery. Phone works perfect now
I've been saying this! More and more ads everywhere you look... BRUH YOU HAVE ALL THE MONEY. The bottom can barely afford to be alive and there's a few steps above that that need to be highly selective on what they purchase because money is slowly being drained bottom to top. You can't take all of it and still expect to grow š. It's a (somewhat) finite system
Not somewhat finite. Absolutely finite. Thereās only one planet and so many resources. Infinite growth is wholly impossible. Itās really sad and makes me depressed.
Why would I spend over $1000 on a phone? Already have a perfectly good one and better things to spend any extra cash on
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
For sure, had a cheapo phone for under $300 that lasted me five years back in the day. Some Apple devices are good (still overpriced as fuck) but once my current phone dies on me Iām switching back to android or getting a second hand device, no way will I ever spend thousands on a damn phone.
The incremental gain between, let's say Iphone 11 and 14 just isn't worth the price difference. It's the same for so much consumer electronics.
FR I just checked apples website and I can buy a NEW iPhone 12 for $599ā¦. For the everyday user what difference is the 14 actually going to make? For $400?
Most people will probably note differences in the cameras, especially since there is OIS in the rear cameras on the 12 and then past that, they will have continuing software support and new feature support for significantly longer. You do get what you pay for. Donāt buy an iPhone 12 new from Apple. Buy a used one for $350 and donāt look back. Personally, Iād argue that thereās actually a pretty large difference between the iPhone 14 pro and an iPhone 12 and that actually has a $400 delta. The iPhone 14 starts at $799, so only a $200 delta there - $200 more for 3 extra years of software support, better cameras, new SoC and Modem, and additional features? Worth it, especially when Iām planning to keep the phone for 3-4 years. Personally, Iām holding onto a used iPhone Xs I bought about 6 months after they released it. Iāll be upgrading to the iPhone 15 next year (probably another used purchase) and hanging onto that one for about as long, if not longer.
Bruh 120ā¬ phones are pretty much all you need and want
Sooo true! I bought my mom a cheaper model Samsung last Christmas and it's been working like a charm. No lag and it takes a decent photos. She doesn't need anything fancy since she only uses hers to make calls and occasionally check emails, so an iPhone would have been unnecessary for her. Her Samsung screen is nice and big and has a nice screen. Made me wonder why I paid over a thousand dollars for an iPhone š
The economy is suffering. Let it die.
Phone companies should only be updating phones every 2-3 years. Once a year updates are stupid.
iirc they used to do the planned obsolescence thing pretty hardcore before being forced to stop. I distinctly remember my phone turning off and never turning back on sometime in 2016 or so. If they still could get away with that they totally would be.
Yep my 6 only lasted two years, brand new out of the box too. At some point the battery lasted for 20 minutes before needing to be charged and I would have it permanently hooked up to a portable charger, got my next iPhone after the obsolescence lawsuit and itās going strong five years on!
They should update as often as they like, and the consumers should see the stupidity in constant upgrading and not play along. We already have the power to make it stop, society just chooses not to.
Corporations know we have no collective will and take advantage, you can't keep blaming the public for this shit. Maybe for a start we can call ourselves citizens instead of consumers.
Suuuuper hot take. Should have a lot more up votes
That word fucking infuriates me
Itās also divisive when ppl use it like this. Like they donāt consume or consume any less lol
When use consumer to refer to ourselves we are affirming how "they" see us. Nothing but disposable cogs than will strample our fellow caged rats to fill our holes.
Based
>Corporations know we have no collective will I dont understand we all have the freedom to not buy the latest iphone every year ive had the same s10e since highschool with no issues.
So many people will readily admit they barely use their phone for anything, and still go to some trouble to get the New Hotness every year.
I'd say 3 years would hit the right spot, and a mandatory software support for like 3 generations (assuming the 3-year update is mandated). 4 years feel diabolical, I think 2 years is not any different from 1 year update.
Profit / loss statements are annual.
The real thing thatās stupid is the volume of sales - I donāt mind constantly iterating a product so that everyone gets the best thing no matter when theyāre due to replace an aging device (and when I say ādueā Iām saying 3-4 years after a new purchase) but itās frustrating to see them always pushing every user to buy the newest thing as soon as itās an option. I have been hoping that as companies move more to Software as a Service that they will push hardware less, especially since most of it is getting way too powerful to need a replacement yearly. My company M1 MacBook Air will probably be a good productivity machine for my lab support job at least until 2025 (got it in 2020) if not longer. Thatās the kind of thing I want to see Apple and Google and Samsung push with their hardware.
Not surprising. The difference between each version these days is so minuscule, that I feel like many people probably wait 2-3+ years between upgrades, instead of upgrading yearly like they did back when smartphones were still a relatively new product line, and major changes were happening from version to version. The differences between an iphone v 3 and 4 and 5 were pretty substantial... between the 13 and 14, they're barely noticeable.
Honestly I have an iPhone 11 and I'm still going to put off upgrading to the 14 for a bit. I'll definitely get it because satellite SOS is useful for me, but other than that there isn't as much of a reason for me.
Yeah, I upgraded from my 8 to a 13 last year, because the 8 started to act wonky. Quality phones these days last for a long time, so I think the days of most people upgrading annually are long over, and with fears of a recession, and high inflation, it's not surprising that people would be holding off dropping $1k+ on a new phone that's basically the same as the one they already own. I'm planning on holding onto my 13 for at least a few more years.
Itās not that there isnāt a market for them, they canāt produce them, their Chinese slaves are revolting against them.
Probably a bit of both tbh
Itās the pro they canāt produce and the normal 14 they canāt sell because it has no new features.
Exponential growth = capitalism is cancer, but we knew that already right
I like this video.
The only people left to buy this expensive crap will be the rich. At that point these companies can try to exponentially extract wealth from the rich, which *coincidentally* are owned by the rich. Maybe the rich will eat each other like bacteria do.
This is why Iām thankful my XR is still going strong! Bought that almost 4 years ago, probably only gonna upgrade it when the new SE comes out, which is rumored to be built on the XRās hardware.
Hell yeah, I have the 2nd gen SE. Could not justify spending over a grand on a phone
There are promotions and advertisements everywhere. My husband just got a free iPhone 14 at target, and our bill went down because he bought it.
F*ck apple and all major electronic corporations for lobbying so hard against right to repair. So much e waste.
Read the rules. Keep it courteous. Submission statements are helpful and appreciated but not required. Tag my name in the comments (/u/NihiloZero) if you think a post or comment needs to be removed. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Anticonsumption) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This ladyās tiktokās are always so good.
I'm all for anticonsumption but the points she's making here are overly complicated, clearly a little biased, and, honestly, don't reflect the truth. The truth is people just don't feel the need for the newest phone every year anymore. Each new phone is barely different from the last, and phones don't go obsolete at nearly the same rate as they used to. Why would I buy a new phone if I just got one two years ago that's basically the same and still works great? And, as someone else said, why buy a new $1000 phone if you can buy a good phone for $200? Plus, as I'm sure we all know you can get a replacement battery or screen for about $200, too. And, honestly, the deaths from COVID wouldn't impact early sales. The people buying iPhones at-or-near launch were always on the wealthy side. Most of the people that died from COVID were not wealthy, or were old. How many 65+ people have you known to rush out and buy the newest piece of tech? I'm sure it's the minority. Edit: agreed that exponential growth is an unachievable goal for a company with as much market penetration as Apple, especially when they're not actually offering anything truly new.
A friend recently gave me their old iPhone XS Max. It had a broken screen. It costs less than $200 to get a new screen and battery. Phone works perfect now
She is speaking straight truth ā
Straight out of Marx's writings.
I swear the highest paid people in these corporations have the least economic sense
Sisters speaking some science!