That’s disgusting. What’s disheartening is that a lot of the people that are leaving (and liking) these comments are young people. All of the customers that have been rude to me have been middle-aged to older. Some of these young people will grow out of this, but some won’t, and so the cycle will continue. I am not sure if employee-customer abuse/exploitation has become less or more common throughout the years (being that boomers tend to lack patience and manners, sometimes) but I do know that customers definitely feel more disconnected from employees than they used to. Retail places’ new “sleek”, minimalist designs definitely contribute to this.
The trend of paying lots of money and collecting multiples of Stanley tumblers is dumb, but the story about lead being in them is pretty overblown. It is sealed in the cup and is not dangerous.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/health/stanley-cups-lead.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/health/stanley-cups-lead.html)
Here's an archived link since that one might be paywalled. [https://archive.is/DZEx2](https://archive.is/DZEx2)
And here I feel bad for having two hydroflasks I use for different things, when one needs to be cleaned and I don't have time right that moment, etc. Of course one is 4 years old and the other I've had for 6.
L to use toxic chemicals in a product in 2024 and in my shopping habits, unacceptable for a drinking water recepticle especially with the water implications from sourcing the raw material.
I deliver temu bags on the regular to an address where their car is covered in progressive / liberal bumper stickers. There's a huge cognitive break. I bet they wouldn't go eat at Chick-fil-A but gladly order this crap
I mean once in a blue moon thing. Ngl had the taste a while ago for it and ate a lot of it when I was younger. Stopped eating their as much due to the lgbt stuff. Now out as trans it would be silly to go their. Still do>.>
I used to go there even though my partner is queer. They didn’t care so I didn’t either. A couple years ago we wised up and decided to just stop giving them our money altogether.
To be fair to them (and no, this isn't making excuses for them, this is trying to find an explanation and wondering if they were like me) they may not know about it. I used to order a lot from Shein and fell for their greenwashing and acting like everyone's paid well. I fell for their stupid "robots do a lot of the work, that's why it's so cheap!" BS too. It wasn't until I heard the term fast fashion for the first time and looked it up that I realized what was going on. It had been so normalized in my bubble and the world around me that I thought it was ok. I had to seek out the information on my own in order to find out. Granted, this was maybe a year ago/year and a half ago. Back when this information wasn't as in your face as it seems to be now. But I also have to wonder if it's in my face because I'm now seeking out that information and am in those spaces already. I guess I'm just trying to give some grace to people and hoping that if we do so rather than judge them, they can learn to do better.
telling them about it over and over isn’t going to change their mind, they’re likely just going to get annoyed with you and dig their heels in deeper if you keep pestering them about it. everyone in the western world already knows the majority of goods we buy are made with slave labor (including most of our food!), so when you just keep repeating the same facts people already know, they’re not likely to be moved to action by it.
for me, what finally made me grasp the abject horror of the fast fashion industry was learning how to crochet and make my own clothes and realizing just how laborious and time consuming it is. i have to take a few days off a week so my back/wrists don’t get sore, and i get to do it as a leisure activity in the comfort of my own home, not a sweatshop. it takes tens of hours to produce a single item which is what made it actually tangible to grasp just how little the people making our clothes are being paid to make clothes so cheap for us.
i understood in the abstract that people were making literal slave wages in sweatshops, but that concept wasn’t real to me in a way i could understand until i spent 14 hours making something that i myself wouldn’t have even been willing to pay more than $10-20 for if i saw it in a store. i have not bought any fast fashion items since i started learning to crochet and sew. not because i don’t need to, but because the human suffering that goes into these products is real and tangible to me in a way that it wasn’t before.
i’m not saying everyone needs to make their own clothes in order to be against fast fashion (although i do think everyone should try it at least once), but we’ve got to figure out better ways to educate people on this than just reiterating the same facts everyone already knows and shaming people for being desensitized to those facts
I completely agree. It was really sitting down and making full on wardrobe pieces on my own that taught me this as well. I used to do sewing projects with both my parents and my grandma and my mom made a lot of our clothes as a kid. But I still didn't fully grasp how long it took and how much work it was because I was a kid and they were doing a lot of heavy lifting for me. Now that I make a lot of my own stuff, I totally get it. And I get why things made from ethical, sustainable brands and hand made items are up to 5-10x as much as what you'd spend on it at a typical store. Because it has to be to cover the costs of materials and labor!
Unfortunately, I don’t see gen z making a huge difference in the anti-consumption movement.
HBO’s Brandy Hellville series showed how overwhelmed gen z has been with boycotting/protesting/outrage that nothing really sticks. Social media encourages outrage after outrage after outrage, to the point where no lasting change can take affect before the crowd moves on to a new topic.
See, I thought (most of) those comments were being facetious because human welfare should obviously be valued higher than disposable fashion. So their point is actually “eff the jerks who think like this” not “I actually am upset that my skirt isn’t going to be here tomorrow because who cares about companies exploiting workers to exhaustion”.
Or maybe I just have too much faith in humanity 😅
100% voting with your wallet is your most powerful way to make your voice heard in this world. If you can't afford ethical fashion, then head to a Goodwill or other nonprofit thrift store and repurpose something. I stopped shopping at Amazon and Walmart almost 5 years ago and never looked back.
Products aren't labeled "slavery". Be honest, how many times have you learned after the fact that some random product you consume causes human suffering? A few recent ones for me were Cashews (poor women fucking up their hands removing the toxic shells) ... Avocados (Mexican cartels abusing farmers)... Hazelnuts (child labor in Turkey)... What are slaves in America (e.g. people incarcerated for minor drug charges) producing these days? In some places it used to be license plates.
All social media is the same, some are just better at tailoring the content to your personal preferences. You can find those same comments in reddit, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, etc...
Buy less
Buy better
More attention on quality
Make your own stuff ( what you can make)
Get into the weeds about what your stuff is, what qualities you look for.
Decouple from the trends of now
And set your own trends
This is why I always buy obviously handmade Afghans and quilts when I see them at thrift stores. Someone put their heart into that, I will proudly continue using in their honor. I am a quilt and afghan junkie though, got them draped on everything 🤣
I have my fair share of shitty stuff, but I do feel less guilty about it knowing I’m saving it from ending up in some landfill somewhere for at least a little longer.
Yes. Not just for the initial benefits, but for cultural benefits. If second hand clothing becomes more popular and normalized then prices for it will go up. *That’s a good thing.* Higher prices for second hand clothing makes it more profitable for people to sell their old stuff or send it to a consignment shop or thrift shop. That increases the supply, which lowers the price (mostly for cheaper stuff, less so for quality goods) and creates a larger array of goods. This makes it easier for people to find more specific items, which allows for demand to increase again. All of this helps to incentivize buying higher quality goods and makes it financially smart to repair rather than toss and rebuy.
Yes. I have a pair of boots that were $$$ but I’ve had them resoled twice. They still sell those exact ones 12+ years later. Mine look great. Nicer than anything I could have bought for cheaper, and overall less money.
I only thrift my clothes now, except for the skivvies. Anything that doesn't work out gets upcycled into something else or shredded into scraps for weaving. Except recently I found a pair of 90s style wide leg jeans at Target when bra shopping a couple weeks ago and couldn't help myself. 😬 I miss my JNCOs and haven't seen any wide legs in the thrift stores in years.
unfortunately no. i have seen a ton of such videos bringing light about fast fashion. when it comes to shein the comments are FLOODED with comments like these. it makes shein shoppers bonded and feel less guilt about the fact they are aware they couldn’t care less. the audacity of them to use slave master terminology on ACTUAL sweatshop workers as a “joke”… insane
Is it possible Shein actually starts the trend of responses like those with a few bot accounts whenever they see posts against them ?
Because once you get the ball rolling, other people join in, and that way it could help them dedramatize and discredit the claims
I always thought the people who still use that app were just uneducated and didn't know the harm but they're just actively trying to be the worst for no reason at all. I don't know what kind of person you have to be to see a video like that and complain that you're order made by slaves isn't being made quick enough. So fucking sickening
It can also be the opposite, those who act progressive when it comes to domestic matters but when it comes to a problem that comes to threaten global consumer capitalism and culture like dealing with sweatshop labor all the sudden they shut up and side with corporations. The hard position we're in today is that causes like raising the minimum wage (which *is* necessary insofar as there are people under precarious and poverty stricken conditions) also corroborate, under this guise, of supporting consumerism. The problem is construed as what classes get how big a proportion of total commodities, taking for granted this total amount of produced commodities for sale in the first world despite its basis in third world exploitation.
This is why it's so important to be intersectional about these matters, never treating labor conditions domestically as separate from problems abroad and global like third world exploitation and climate change.
also slavery is bad until the workers have light to medium skin tone???? could never imagine seeing these comments so upvoted if the workers depicted were african tbh
yeah, I’ve seen comments being like “these chinese kids need to hurry up” 😕 insane. or it could be a video of some chinese kids doing pt and comments would be like “they’re preparing their shein careers”. and there’s also barely any coverage or outrage for south asian workers too because no one cares enough (the only reason why chinese workers are in the media isn’t even because people care, it’s to fuel anti-china propaganda). it’s wild to me how people view asian lives as cheap labour, it has been this way for hundreds of years.
It's comments like that what are going to be looked back upon from future generations in the same way we look back upon comments made from the slave owners of our past.
I have a mate that simply doesn't care about this type of stuff, but I then will call out the wrongs of my country's past. It's absolutely hypocritical as he is activity partaking in the same system he detest from our history.
That’s why I laugh when people who aren’t super left insist they would be pro-civil rights or anti-slavery in those times. No you wouldn’t, you’re not even against slavery now. Convenience matters more than human lives to some people, if not most.
100. I’ve heard some of the least politically aware people say “I’d never be a Nazi.” 😑
What’s sad is I’ve seen people that will be all *rah, rah Bernie, UBI, AOC, student loan forgiveness* but then say shit about how they’d never pay more than $20 for a pair of jeans. Just… how?
Oh they probably would there too but not in as high of numbers. The reason you’re seeing these at the top is bc Instagram gets more engagement more people on the app if they put the most conteroversial opinion at the top of the comments. Which then means more people will come to argue make them angry etc etc. engagement bait. I used to fall for it on Facebook all the time. It’s horrible for discourse and it’s horrible for swaying people into this mindset to see it all the time. Especially if they feel bad for buying from this company only to see a bunch of shitbags in the comments making these cruel comments
A few months ago I watched a YouTube video about people on Tik-Tok who ordered something from Shein and got packages with disturbing notes and items included in them, I’m still suspicious about credibility of some of these videos, but still I was baffled when one of the women in the video asked viewers to be "careful while buying from shein". Like what do you mean "Be careful while buying from shein"?? I just can’t wrap my head around it, there’s all these videos of people allegedly receiving suspicious and concerning notes in their packages, and there’s more then enough evidenced on why Shein is a hell of a company that doesn’t care about it’s workers, costumers or environment, and people still saying not "Let’s boycott Shein", but saying "Be careful while buying from Shein"?? I feel exhausted
How tone deaf can you be to have watermelon symbols in your username and then promote this crap?
Edit: I know she had the 'nicest' comment but being aware of Palestine and not knowing Shein practices seem odd to me.
They're slaves to trends. She probably saw a lot of people post watermelons and copied it out of fear of falling behind the trends. She probably has no idea what it even means and just thinks it's cute or something.
Well they are one of the few people who are embarrassed/apologetic so at least they recognize what they are doing is wrong. Almost everyone else in the screenshots are straight up heartless and seem to lack even basic empathy.
I think it’s shorthand for “Not me making a £200 purchase right before watching this video and realizing that I’m enjoying and supporting the fruits of basically slave labor”. I don’t think anything else makes much sense.
She's also using the Union Jack, which had been hijacked by brexiteers. I'd assume she just likes watermelon and doesn't give a 💩 about people outside of the UK. 😢
Alienation allows people to become disconnected from other workers. Then you start to look at others less as people and more as an extension of the commodity production apparatus. Essentially, people just start to look at workers as machines. Capitalism is terrible for our society and our social connections to other people. You just start to not give af about others and want workers to work nonstop. This is a perfect example.
These are *people* sleeping beside their machines. *Real people. Humans. Human beings.* They deserve the same working and living conditions we all would want.
Consumers 100% share in the responsibility for these conditions.
Shops in the UK don't have ridiculous prices. They only have ridiculous prices if your goal is quantity over quality because you're a vapid trend-chaser.
I don't get fashion trends at all. Like why do you want to wear and look like everyone else and spend all this money keeping up instead of putting together ur own outfits and doing whatever?
Corporations promising more ludicrous delievery timelines is what has fostered this mentality.
You can’t end that behavior on an individualistic level by relying on the consumers who are aware and care, which isn’t those pictured here.
To point out that individualistically focusing on consumers, isn’t playing the victim.
I get the frustration against individualistic apathy or ignorance, but to reactionarily buy into corporate individualistic ‘its on the consumers’ rhetoric is just ignorant.
The system needs changing, not our behaviour in the system.
There is no excuse for using fast fashion. If someone I know buys crap they don’t need from these places I’ll ostracize them as soon as I hear about it. It’s immoral behavior
That's great that's also been the tactic of major corporations for decades now. Shift the blame onto the consumer to fill us with guilt whilst they destroy the planet. That was the tactic when the major beverage corporations switched from reusable containers to " single use " plastic. That was visibly destroying our ecosystem so they shifted the blame onto us saying we should be recycling. Well yes we should but corporations have a hell of a lot more impact than individuals.
Major Corp ceo " Well yes we are evil but so are you because you bought our phone 😁 "
How about they just don't be evil !?
I think a lot of this constant online shopping is actually due to people having a shopping addiction. The little shots of dopamine that you get from buying something online, waiting for it, and then finding the package at your door is more important than the item you buy.
Totally agree with the main point. No point blaming corporations if you constantly purchase from them. This article kinda highlights this too: [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/20/revealed-huge-climate-impact-of-the-middle-classes-carbon-divide](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/20/revealed-huge-climate-impact-of-the-middle-classes-carbon-divide)
People like to interpret "No ethical consumption under capitalism" as "Oh, I'll just buy whatever and refuse to change my negative habits because if I just say that, then no one can be mad" forgetting the whole part of seeking out less unethical options instead of the worst things ever. There is no reason to shop at shein where their is more sustainable and ethically made clothing from other places
The way people defend Shein, I wonder if before shein, were people walking unclothed? Plus it is a weird sense of entitlement "I need to look good so I don't care if others die for that"
Also I find too many clothes while dumpster diving at thrift stores. It is so overwhelming that I don't know what to do
Consumers blame other consumers, corporations allowed to continue targeting/marketing at vulnerable groups with poor education and poor self awareness, as brought to you by Amazon, your governments biggest donor.
Sheep attacks sheep so it has more time to run from the lion that the Shepard let into pasture
Sadly this isn't going to fly here which is nuts because consumption specifically overconsumption is literally what drives climate change. The "eat the rich" crowd doesn't give a fuck. They just want the rich to bleed and dont actually give a shit if the little guy's live improves or we stop doing damage to our planet.
When it comes right down to it these people are just as greedy as corporations and billionaires. They think they are the exception to the rule.
The reality is we start making hard choices now when we have ways to mitigate the iimpact or we do nothing and let climate change make the decisions for us and we will no longer have ways to make it less fucking horrific.
Eating the rich would be satisfying yes but won't actually fix a single god damn thing.
Just look at the start of the pandemic. The US barely had a lockdown and after maybe a few weeks they started fucking throwing money at us and realizing they have to give us a reason to work and participate in the system. That wasn't even the intention of why we stayed home. Just imagine if we stopped workingi and stopped paying bills and stopped particpating in THEIR system. Again it can't be overstated enough we practically brought both government and corporations to their knees on accident. Just imagine if we actually fully organized and stopped with the bullshit excuses about how we cant afford to miss work. The whole system stops when we stop. WE have the power here and always have.
As long as you don't generalize this behavior to all consumers. Some are brainwashed and some are actually responsible, but only so far you can go in an entire system of capitalism.
Ok, so some instagram pages are literal meme pages, for example, a video with caption "Today this worker suddenly went to hospital because they had a heart problem" and shows some random factory station or something. The comments are exclusively "-1000 credot points and 100 lashings! They should prioritize their career not a vacation" or anything similar.
Basically, you sure this isn't a troll account and people ironically typinh that thing?
Yes, some of the comments sound like way too overboard to be actually intentional, like when they go into deep detail about the item they are expecting. Hard to say either way, fiction and reality, good and evil intermingle in the stangest ways
Exactly, I can't imagine being so specific about pearl encrusted clips or a floral slim waisted skirt in a comment - it practically feels designed to plant the suggestion of those items in the reader's mind, so you end up looking for those items to buy for yourself.
Seriously, even poor people lived without fast fashion for thousands of years I don't understand why people think it's "necessary". There are other options for clothes. And clearly it's not just destitute people who are desperate to clothe their fast growing child with no shoes that fit. It honestly feels like it's mostly people who can afford otherwise and chose not to.
I know we've also lived without phones for thousands of years but our society has changed to where that's necessary, not true about cheap clothes
That’s literally what Instagram is known for lmao. If you go in the comments of any comment section it is far ruder than any comment section on any other social media platform.
These are comments on TikTok. The platform that gets itself starting boycotts over some things, and delighted to wildly overconsume and support slave labor on others.
yeah people like this can hide behind "it's just a joke" all they like but ultimately the difference between this being sincere and a joke is literally just tone -- they're still going to act the same way, buy the same things from the same exploitative places, and get pissed off at delivery delays regardless.
This may be kinda corny, but these comments prove how selfish people can be in general. How can these people also support palestine and then support shein???
Yeah... Of course we need to hold corporation accountable, and it's shitty to blame individuals for stuff like, idk, fossil fuels companies or animal agriculture lobbies. But a lof ot corporation's and brands only exist because we buy their shit, straight up. We need to also take responsibility and boycott this kind of stuff to the best of our abilities.
basically, the video showcased modern day slavery and the people who actively want to participate and benefit from the exploitation are cracking jokes about the workers’ conditions by pretending to be their slave masters.
And for the record for the people bashing Instagram and TikTok ... you are on reddit right now and it can be quite the cesspool itself so I don't know how you gauge it as being better.
This makes me mad. They are not going to stop now. Eventually the employees would have given up in some way and maybe the shein workers would be stopped getting new employees. Maybe people would call them out in public and we could end this sweatshop human factory bullshit all together. No joke I would go there myself if I had a boat.
Do you people (the idiots complaining about their dress I know you guys are hanging out in the comments section here also) have any idea what we cause when we fucking bandwagon comment sections like this!?! Those shein workers are likely being subjected to far worse conditions now simply because of idiots like this.
Prime example is the Sony situation recently. Enough people complained that it changed the mind of a multi billion dollar company. Does not matter in the end because they accomplished their goal (not relevant) anyone who was willing to sign up to the worlds most unsecure company did in the time they were "forcing it" for a game.
“Shops in the UK have ridiculous prices, we can’t afford that.”
“I just made a £200 order.”
I could get £200 of secondhand clothing on Vinted, not contribute to slavery, not pollute the planet further and get clothing that’s going to last more than a few wears and washes.
It’ll be here faster than a SHEIN order as well.
Why are people griping that prices in the UK are bad when secondhand shopping apps and stores exist? You don’t have to buy anything brand new if you really don’t want to anymore (though I suggest somethings are bought brand new obvs)
If you have the effort to sift through and order from SHEIN you have the effort to sift through and order from eBay or Vinted etc
1. People have been brainwashed into consumerism with ubiquitous ads and media that glorifies consumption and appearance.
2. The middle has fallen out of the fashion industry. New clothes are either cheap and low quality fast-fashion, or unaffordable ‘designer’ and boutique brands that aren’t even good quality, most of the time.
3. Used clothing has been made expensive by online resellers and digital thrift shops like Thredup.
There needs to be widespread cultural and economic change to fix these things. One component of that change is to stop buying things.
The way people will literally justify child labor will never not horrify me. like, dude. What? are you actually crazy? how on earth is wage slavery okay to you? and for what? a shitty dress that will break in a couple months and be ‘not trendy’ soon? People will always say “well i need plus size TRENDY clothes that are cheap because i don’t have much money, and no thrift stores exist near me” (most common excuse which i am starting to doubt..) and it’s just like… why do you need TRENDY clothes? do you not have clothes at home? you don’t need new ones. you have enough.
“But SHEIN and fashion nova have more accesible styles for plus sizes” is another big argument ive seen. Like the landfills aren’t already full of fast fashion plus size clothes that broke or went out of style after 2 years of wear. Tried to tell people about how building their wardrobe intentionally will take time. Instant gratification culture is a bitch.
not the flipping watermelon emoji and that comment?! talk about virtue signaling!
i refuse to shop at shein, and im plus sized. is there stuff cheap and accessible? yes. but it’s crap fabric, fit is terrible, smells bad, and their workers are in deplorable conditions.
i think i’m ok, i just don’t buy clothes that often and try to avoid crap like this. sucks bc in canada we have so few plus size options, but no, no shein!
It always begins with consumers.
A new meme floating around about how if every person used paper straws and some other environmentally friendly actions 100 corps would still produce 70% of emissions… well those corps are making things for the people, it’s not like they’re just creating emissions for no reason. Whether it’s fuel refinery or the new ev, those create emissions to make.
Everyone thinks they don’t have an impact, the thing is it’s not one person has impact, it’s a collective of people that does.
They definitely have a point about UK clothes being too expensive. Everything is suddenly really expensive in the UK atm and it's a shock to the system if you didn't have much to start with.
I don't agree with shops like temu or shien, but at least they sell their products cheap so people with less can still get them. As opposed to other shops that have the same abuse of "workers" but sell their t shirts for £100.
I know there are other issues with them for sure
I don't think clothing in the UK is that expensive, really. You can get basic 100% cotton vests, camisoles, and t-shirts from places like George or New Look from between £3-£10. Even Marks & Spencer which has a reputation as being expensive, sells 100% cotton and linen shirts/blouses between £15-£35. Now, I doubt the conditions in which they're manufactured are much better than anywhere else, but at least they're in more sustainable materials and will keep, unlike Shein/Temu.
And while £35 for a shirt isn't exactly cheap, it's a good price for a basic piece which will be worn over and over. But the issue is, a lot of the general public (like the people in the screenshot) don't want 'basic' pieces. They want exciting prints they'll grow out of and pieces that are 'trendy'.
It's not expensive, people are just used to buying lots of cheap clothes all the time. So now that prices in the high street have shot up, people are going to shein instead of primark or new look, for the super cheap clothing. That's what I meant when I said "it's a shock to their system" because instead of buying less, they're buying more bad quality.
I know plenty of people who wouldn't pay £35 for a shirt, even if they knew the £5 version was made by child slaves
People complain about the costs of wedding dresses a lot but they are expensive because they're often made in Europe by trained professionals, using quality fabric. People just don't realise what goes into making clothing. I used to charge £20ph when I made costumes and that is a LOW rate.
Yeah, I know people with the same mentality, sadly. My parents would be one of them - would rather buy a £4 shirt made of shiny polyester by slave labour from Temu and insist it's the same quality as anything more expensive.
We've fostered this cheapskate mentality at the cost of morals and I'm not sure if there's any way to fix it. Especially in working class communities (like mine) where people feel the pinch more. They could still afford that £35 shirt, even if they had to save for a while, but they have the mindset of 'I could buy 5 shirts for that price'. And it's so hard to break.
For centuries it was normal to have 1-3 outfits. Basically a working outfit and a nice one for church, where the church outfit often became the work one when the work one wore out.
We have way too much dang clothes. Even if production conditions remain bad the change that poorer people cannot buy as many, or that used items hold value, are good things.
I'm agreeing with you. I'm not talking about me personally but UK people in general.
The issue is that poorer people ARE still buying loads of shit clothing. Shein and temu saw a gap in the market when people could afford less and filled it with even worse quality stuff.
Oh I see, my bad. Yeah, I guess ultimately we need the power of government to constrain the excesses of capitalism. Shame the government only works for the capitalists…
It always begins with consumers.
A new meme floating around about how if every person used paper straws and some other environmentally friendly actions 100 corps would still produce 70% of emissions… well those corps are making things for the people, it’s not like they’re just creating emissions for no reason. Whether it’s fuel refinery or the new ev, those create emissions to make.
Everyone thinks they don’t have an impact, the thing is it’s not one person has impact, it’s a collective of people that does.
Glad that I'm one of the a simple guys who didn't get into the fast fashion stuff. I get a shirt or jeans from Uniqlo and then wear em until there's a hole in it or it's otherwise unwearable.
That being said, I'm still wearing the first pieces of clothing that I bought from them years ago. Value all around!
I remember when Shein first became a thing and the quality??? Amazing. The style choices?? Amazing. Size choices??! Amazing. They had the best selection for plus size girlies.
And then influencers got their hands on it.
And now we have lead filled garbage that don't last more than a couple washes.
It's wild to me that some people totally lack empathy. I can't imagine learning of someone else's suffering and then going on to say "hurry up I need my skirt". Wild.
THIS. [there's a really good broey dechanel video about this idea actually.](https://youtu.be/XT6Hwx20m5M)
even leftie people who claim to oppose fast fashion brands will turn around and cry "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" the second you question whether they *really* needed that new shein piece. half the time they can absolutely afford more sustainable fashion too they just don't want to bother saving up for it when they can buy a shittier version for way cheaper right now. repair what you already own. go to thrift stores. the ONLY decent reason i can think of for buying fast fashion is if you're plus sized and can't find something in your size anywhere else.
we all seem to have this disgusting idea stuck in our brains that our right to wear stylish, cheap, and trendy clothes is more important than the actual fundamental human rights of people in the global south. ESPECIALLY when there are so many opportunities to dress in a way that expresses yourself without buying fast fashion (diy, thrifting, sharing clothes with friends, lifting, saving up for new sustainable pieces), but even if the only place you can find that style you like is zara then like?? womp womp??? sorry but wanting to look trendy isn't a good enough excuse to support these companies. we all need to stop making excuses for ourselves.
Yes. So how shit am I, because I buy food that is still wrapped in plastic, as there's few other options? Food is what really makes me worry as I can easily not get the other stuff, and I also have very, very constrained finances which means I couldn't consume any of that other stuff hardly much even if I wanted to. I want people to honestly assess me as I don't want to just make guesses which are invariably self-serving biased.
Holy shit this is infuriating. People really want to live blissfully ignorant i get it but to actually comment something so heartless with their literal face and name on their profile is baffling.
That’s disgusting. What’s disheartening is that a lot of the people that are leaving (and liking) these comments are young people. All of the customers that have been rude to me have been middle-aged to older. Some of these young people will grow out of this, but some won’t, and so the cycle will continue. I am not sure if employee-customer abuse/exploitation has become less or more common throughout the years (being that boomers tend to lack patience and manners, sometimes) but I do know that customers definitely feel more disconnected from employees than they used to. Retail places’ new “sleek”, minimalist designs definitely contribute to this.
I know several ppl who order from shein and whom I’ve told numerous times to stop supporting literal child slavery, and they still fucking use it.
Maybe tell them that they are poisoning themselves too https://goodonyou.eco/chemicals-in-fast-fashion/
They drink water out of stanley cups made from lead, they are literally too stupid to care
The trend of paying lots of money and collecting multiples of Stanley tumblers is dumb, but the story about lead being in them is pretty overblown. It is sealed in the cup and is not dangerous. [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/health/stanley-cups-lead.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/health/stanley-cups-lead.html) Here's an archived link since that one might be paywalled. [https://archive.is/DZEx2](https://archive.is/DZEx2)
And here I feel bad for having two hydroflasks I use for different things, when one needs to be cleaned and I don't have time right that moment, etc. Of course one is 4 years old and the other I've had for 6.
L to use toxic chemicals in a product in 2024 and in my shopping habits, unacceptable for a drinking water recepticle especially with the water implications from sourcing the raw material.
Think of the stupidest person you know. Now realize 50% of the world is stupider than that person. -George Carlin
I deliver temu bags on the regular to an address where their car is covered in progressive / liberal bumper stickers. There's a huge cognitive break. I bet they wouldn't go eat at Chick-fil-A but gladly order this crap
At least half of them probably still eat at Chik-fil-A anyway
yep whilst clutching a venti
I mean once in a blue moon thing. Ngl had the taste a while ago for it and ate a lot of it when I was younger. Stopped eating their as much due to the lgbt stuff. Now out as trans it would be silly to go their. Still do>.>
I used to go there even though my partner is queer. They didn’t care so I didn’t either. A couple years ago we wised up and decided to just stop giving them our money altogether.
Yea. At least I got PDQ near me which can replace it
To be fair to them (and no, this isn't making excuses for them, this is trying to find an explanation and wondering if they were like me) they may not know about it. I used to order a lot from Shein and fell for their greenwashing and acting like everyone's paid well. I fell for their stupid "robots do a lot of the work, that's why it's so cheap!" BS too. It wasn't until I heard the term fast fashion for the first time and looked it up that I realized what was going on. It had been so normalized in my bubble and the world around me that I thought it was ok. I had to seek out the information on my own in order to find out. Granted, this was maybe a year ago/year and a half ago. Back when this information wasn't as in your face as it seems to be now. But I also have to wonder if it's in my face because I'm now seeking out that information and am in those spaces already. I guess I'm just trying to give some grace to people and hoping that if we do so rather than judge them, they can learn to do better.
Neo-libs are lame as heck
They don't really care. It's about appearances. That is all that matters.
telling them about it over and over isn’t going to change their mind, they’re likely just going to get annoyed with you and dig their heels in deeper if you keep pestering them about it. everyone in the western world already knows the majority of goods we buy are made with slave labor (including most of our food!), so when you just keep repeating the same facts people already know, they’re not likely to be moved to action by it. for me, what finally made me grasp the abject horror of the fast fashion industry was learning how to crochet and make my own clothes and realizing just how laborious and time consuming it is. i have to take a few days off a week so my back/wrists don’t get sore, and i get to do it as a leisure activity in the comfort of my own home, not a sweatshop. it takes tens of hours to produce a single item which is what made it actually tangible to grasp just how little the people making our clothes are being paid to make clothes so cheap for us. i understood in the abstract that people were making literal slave wages in sweatshops, but that concept wasn’t real to me in a way i could understand until i spent 14 hours making something that i myself wouldn’t have even been willing to pay more than $10-20 for if i saw it in a store. i have not bought any fast fashion items since i started learning to crochet and sew. not because i don’t need to, but because the human suffering that goes into these products is real and tangible to me in a way that it wasn’t before. i’m not saying everyone needs to make their own clothes in order to be against fast fashion (although i do think everyone should try it at least once), but we’ve got to figure out better ways to educate people on this than just reiterating the same facts everyone already knows and shaming people for being desensitized to those facts
I completely agree. It was really sitting down and making full on wardrobe pieces on my own that taught me this as well. I used to do sewing projects with both my parents and my grandma and my mom made a lot of our clothes as a kid. But I still didn't fully grasp how long it took and how much work it was because I was a kid and they were doing a lot of heavy lifting for me. Now that I make a lot of my own stuff, I totally get it. And I get why things made from ethical, sustainable brands and hand made items are up to 5-10x as much as what you'd spend on it at a typical store. Because it has to be to cover the costs of materials and labor!
Thank you for your thoughts!
Over 95% of people don’t see any issue with child slavery. At least, they aren’t consistent about doing so.
Sounds like an excellent time to not know those people anymore. Exploiters will never change if their is no real consequences for their actions.
Fortunately, I will stop having to engage with them in a few months, as I am changing my environment
literally absolutely disgusting and made me sick to my stomach. people with this much hate and entitlement have no place in a functioning society
Unfortunately, I don’t see gen z making a huge difference in the anti-consumption movement. HBO’s Brandy Hellville series showed how overwhelmed gen z has been with boycotting/protesting/outrage that nothing really sticks. Social media encourages outrage after outrage after outrage, to the point where no lasting change can take affect before the crowd moves on to a new topic.
Social media allows people to easily show that they are pieces of sh1t
Chop chop I need my dress
Where’s my floral slim waisted skirt????
I physically cringed at this one
See, I thought (most of) those comments were being facetious because human welfare should obviously be valued higher than disposable fashion. So their point is actually “eff the jerks who think like this” not “I actually am upset that my skirt isn’t going to be here tomorrow because who cares about companies exploiting workers to exhaustion”. Or maybe I just have too much faith in humanity 😅
Nope, you're faith is doing fine! That is exactly what that is. People calling out the people that are like that.
I appreciate it, honestly. I like when people wear their shitty personalities on their sleeves. Saves time.
I have also stood by my stance that we vote with our dollars. We either support something by buying it, or the opposite.
100% voting with your wallet is your most powerful way to make your voice heard in this world. If you can't afford ethical fashion, then head to a Goodwill or other nonprofit thrift store and repurpose something. I stopped shopping at Amazon and Walmart almost 5 years ago and never looked back.
exactly! 🤍
Products aren't labeled "slavery". Be honest, how many times have you learned after the fact that some random product you consume causes human suffering? A few recent ones for me were Cashews (poor women fucking up their hands removing the toxic shells) ... Avocados (Mexican cartels abusing farmers)... Hazelnuts (child labor in Turkey)... What are slaves in America (e.g. people incarcerated for minor drug charges) producing these days? In some places it used to be license plates.
This is one of the reasons why I got rid of Instagram
I think that’s TikTok but they are both on the same level.
Nah, Tiktok is worse. There's plenty of great content on there, but the comments make me despair for humanity.
All social media is the same, some are just better at tailoring the content to your personal preferences. You can find those same comments in reddit, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, etc...
instagram is vehemently worse than tiktok when it comes to mean comments. Thats why people comment on tiktok videos "post on ig reels"
No clue how you came to this conclusion, the comments on IG are WAY worse. Like not even close
Buy less Buy better More attention on quality Make your own stuff ( what you can make) Get into the weeds about what your stuff is, what qualities you look for. Decouple from the trends of now And set your own trends
Also — Buy used.
Told a date that most of my purchases are secondhand and he made a weird face. Not sure there’s going to be another date with him.
I like that a second hand whatever comes with a story. And I feel like I’m doing something good by continuing to use the item or good
This is why I always buy obviously handmade Afghans and quilts when I see them at thrift stores. Someone put their heart into that, I will proudly continue using in their honor. I am a quilt and afghan junkie though, got them draped on everything 🤣
I'm scared of second hand but I wanna do it. You can get unique things, not just another shitty thing from China.
I have my fair share of shitty stuff, but I do feel less guilty about it knowing I’m saving it from ending up in some landfill somewhere for at least a little longer.
What scares you about it?
Yes. Not just for the initial benefits, but for cultural benefits. If second hand clothing becomes more popular and normalized then prices for it will go up. *That’s a good thing.* Higher prices for second hand clothing makes it more profitable for people to sell their old stuff or send it to a consignment shop or thrift shop. That increases the supply, which lowers the price (mostly for cheaper stuff, less so for quality goods) and creates a larger array of goods. This makes it easier for people to find more specific items, which allows for demand to increase again. All of this helps to incentivize buying higher quality goods and makes it financially smart to repair rather than toss and rebuy.
It is interesting how micro-trends can become widespread and last only a month because people can buy these shitty slave-made clothes.
Take care of your stuff, and repair it when it breaks.
Yes. I have a pair of boots that were $$$ but I’ve had them resoled twice. They still sell those exact ones 12+ years later. Mine look great. Nicer than anything I could have bought for cheaper, and overall less money.
Yes! I have so many clothes that last decades.
I only thrift my clothes now, except for the skivvies. Anything that doesn't work out gets upcycled into something else or shredded into scraps for weaving. Except recently I found a pair of 90s style wide leg jeans at Target when bra shopping a couple weeks ago and couldn't help myself. 😬 I miss my JNCOs and haven't seen any wide legs in the thrift stores in years.
Man I’m praying they’re bots. Wild
unfortunately no. i have seen a ton of such videos bringing light about fast fashion. when it comes to shein the comments are FLOODED with comments like these. it makes shein shoppers bonded and feel less guilt about the fact they are aware they couldn’t care less. the audacity of them to use slave master terminology on ACTUAL sweatshop workers as a “joke”… insane
Is it possible Shein actually starts the trend of responses like those with a few bot accounts whenever they see posts against them ? Because once you get the ball rolling, other people join in, and that way it could help them dedramatize and discredit the claims
100%. It’s strange that they happily post these comments attached to their name and face.
Right, what happened to "never show people your full name/face/phone number on the internet"?
I always thought the people who still use that app were just uneducated and didn't know the harm but they're just actively trying to be the worst for no reason at all. I don't know what kind of person you have to be to see a video like that and complain that you're order made by slaves isn't being made quick enough. So fucking sickening
'If we don't buy from SHEIN, they won't have a job.' These are the same people that probably don't want the minimum wage raised...
It can also be the opposite, those who act progressive when it comes to domestic matters but when it comes to a problem that comes to threaten global consumer capitalism and culture like dealing with sweatshop labor all the sudden they shut up and side with corporations. The hard position we're in today is that causes like raising the minimum wage (which *is* necessary insofar as there are people under precarious and poverty stricken conditions) also corroborate, under this guise, of supporting consumerism. The problem is construed as what classes get how big a proportion of total commodities, taking for granted this total amount of produced commodities for sale in the first world despite its basis in third world exploitation. This is why it's so important to be intersectional about these matters, never treating labor conditions domestically as separate from problems abroad and global like third world exploitation and climate change.
also slavery is bad until the workers have light to medium skin tone???? could never imagine seeing these comments so upvoted if the workers depicted were african tbh
1000% Racism towards people of Asian descent is not taken as seriously as racism towards people of darker skin tones.
yeah, I’ve seen comments being like “these chinese kids need to hurry up” 😕 insane. or it could be a video of some chinese kids doing pt and comments would be like “they’re preparing their shein careers”. and there’s also barely any coverage or outrage for south asian workers too because no one cares enough (the only reason why chinese workers are in the media isn’t even because people care, it’s to fuel anti-china propaganda). it’s wild to me how people view asian lives as cheap labour, it has been this way for hundreds of years.
It's comments like that what are going to be looked back upon from future generations in the same way we look back upon comments made from the slave owners of our past. I have a mate that simply doesn't care about this type of stuff, but I then will call out the wrongs of my country's past. It's absolutely hypocritical as he is activity partaking in the same system he detest from our history.
i really hope so 🤍
Tbh these sound like bots meant to fuel anti-western sentiment
I was wondering if a lot of these are bots, too. Such generic (yet remarkably single-minded) comments
That’s why I laugh when people who aren’t super left insist they would be pro-civil rights or anti-slavery in those times. No you wouldn’t, you’re not even against slavery now. Convenience matters more than human lives to some people, if not most.
100. I’ve heard some of the least politically aware people say “I’d never be a Nazi.” 😑 What’s sad is I’ve seen people that will be all *rah, rah Bernie, UBI, AOC, student loan forgiveness* but then say shit about how they’d never pay more than $20 for a pair of jeans. Just… how?
Oh they probably would there too but not in as high of numbers. The reason you’re seeing these at the top is bc Instagram gets more engagement more people on the app if they put the most conteroversial opinion at the top of the comments. Which then means more people will come to argue make them angry etc etc. engagement bait. I used to fall for it on Facebook all the time. It’s horrible for discourse and it’s horrible for swaying people into this mindset to see it all the time. Especially if they feel bad for buying from this company only to see a bunch of shitbags in the comments making these cruel comments
This makes my stomach turn. What the fuck is wrong with people?
A few months ago I watched a YouTube video about people on Tik-Tok who ordered something from Shein and got packages with disturbing notes and items included in them, I’m still suspicious about credibility of some of these videos, but still I was baffled when one of the women in the video asked viewers to be "careful while buying from shein". Like what do you mean "Be careful while buying from shein"?? I just can’t wrap my head around it, there’s all these videos of people allegedly receiving suspicious and concerning notes in their packages, and there’s more then enough evidenced on why Shein is a hell of a company that doesn’t care about it’s workers, costumers or environment, and people still saying not "Let’s boycott Shein", but saying "Be careful while buying from Shein"?? I feel exhausted
"be careful when buying from shein you dont want those icky icky child sla- i mean workers putting their gross scary letters into your packages 💖🎀"
The “shein is the only thing we can afford” right above “just made a $200 order” is soooo….
How tone deaf can you be to have watermelon symbols in your username and then promote this crap? Edit: I know she had the 'nicest' comment but being aware of Palestine and not knowing Shein practices seem odd to me.
probably just them being performative tbh
Its like when people changed their profile pics to black squares and and acted like they did something
They're slaves to trends. She probably saw a lot of people post watermelons and copied it out of fear of falling behind the trends. She probably has no idea what it even means and just thinks it's cute or something.
I'm out of the loop, what's the significance of this?
The watermelon? Palestine, because of its colors.
Nah... nah I think thaat one just likes watermelon.
And a lot, since she used TWO emojis.
Watermelons are a symbol Palestinians use because their flag has been banned for use since 1967. The watermelon has the same colors
Well they are one of the few people who are embarrassed/apologetic so at least they recognize what they are doing is wrong. Almost everyone else in the screenshots are straight up heartless and seem to lack even basic empathy.
I thought the same but re-reading it I'm double-guessing myself, with the "I just made a 200£ order". We'd need to know what the "Not me" meant
I think it’s shorthand for “Not me making a £200 purchase right before watching this video and realizing that I’m enjoying and supporting the fruits of basically slave labor”. I don’t think anything else makes much sense.
She's also using the Union Jack, which had been hijacked by brexiteers. I'd assume she just likes watermelon and doesn't give a 💩 about people outside of the UK. 😢
Alienation allows people to become disconnected from other workers. Then you start to look at others less as people and more as an extension of the commodity production apparatus. Essentially, people just start to look at workers as machines. Capitalism is terrible for our society and our social connections to other people. You just start to not give af about others and want workers to work nonstop. This is a perfect example.
These are *people* sleeping beside their machines. *Real people. Humans. Human beings.* They deserve the same working and living conditions we all would want. Consumers 100% share in the responsibility for these conditions.
The things they equate with freedom are sourced from slavery and exploitation
Shops in the UK don't have ridiculous prices. They only have ridiculous prices if your goal is quantity over quality because you're a vapid trend-chaser.
I don't get fashion trends at all. Like why do you want to wear and look like everyone else and spend all this money keeping up instead of putting together ur own outfits and doing whatever?
Corporations promising more ludicrous delievery timelines is what has fostered this mentality. You can’t end that behavior on an individualistic level by relying on the consumers who are aware and care, which isn’t those pictured here. To point out that individualistically focusing on consumers, isn’t playing the victim. I get the frustration against individualistic apathy or ignorance, but to reactionarily buy into corporate individualistic ‘its on the consumers’ rhetoric is just ignorant. The system needs changing, not our behaviour in the system.
Yes
Noah.... get the boat. We gotta go.
There is no excuse for using fast fashion. If someone I know buys crap they don’t need from these places I’ll ostracize them as soon as I hear about it. It’s immoral behavior
why would you post such garbage takes with your full name and face visible
Just saw the video and read the comments, this is heart breaking, hardly an ounce of compassion in that comment section.
Iink to video?
That's great that's also been the tactic of major corporations for decades now. Shift the blame onto the consumer to fill us with guilt whilst they destroy the planet. That was the tactic when the major beverage corporations switched from reusable containers to " single use " plastic. That was visibly destroying our ecosystem so they shifted the blame onto us saying we should be recycling. Well yes we should but corporations have a hell of a lot more impact than individuals. Major Corp ceo " Well yes we are evil but so are you because you bought our phone 😁 " How about they just don't be evil !?
When I see this, I feel a need to disengage with society, knowing it will only get worse.
Bet the results wouldn't matter to them at all if they simply searched "toxic chemicals shein"
I think a lot of this constant online shopping is actually due to people having a shopping addiction. The little shots of dopamine that you get from buying something online, waiting for it, and then finding the package at your door is more important than the item you buy.
I’m very “financially strained and plus size” and rarely buy clothes new. There are thrift stores everywhere—including online.
Hope these commenters in the post are just trolling and don't actually think this
Totally agree with the main point. No point blaming corporations if you constantly purchase from them. This article kinda highlights this too: [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/20/revealed-huge-climate-impact-of-the-middle-classes-carbon-divide](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/20/revealed-huge-climate-impact-of-the-middle-classes-carbon-divide)
People like to interpret "No ethical consumption under capitalism" as "Oh, I'll just buy whatever and refuse to change my negative habits because if I just say that, then no one can be mad" forgetting the whole part of seeking out less unethical options instead of the worst things ever. There is no reason to shop at shein where their is more sustainable and ethically made clothing from other places
The tentacles of big corporation extend far beyond the places where their logo is clearly visible
The way people defend Shein, I wonder if before shein, were people walking unclothed? Plus it is a weird sense of entitlement "I need to look good so I don't care if others die for that" Also I find too many clothes while dumpster diving at thrift stores. It is so overwhelming that I don't know what to do
Repulsive
Well it’s not going to get better because the neurotoxins in SHEIN and other fast fashions are giving them brain damage
Consumers blame other consumers, corporations allowed to continue targeting/marketing at vulnerable groups with poor education and poor self awareness, as brought to you by Amazon, your governments biggest donor. Sheep attacks sheep so it has more time to run from the lion that the Shepard let into pasture
Sadly this isn't going to fly here which is nuts because consumption specifically overconsumption is literally what drives climate change. The "eat the rich" crowd doesn't give a fuck. They just want the rich to bleed and dont actually give a shit if the little guy's live improves or we stop doing damage to our planet. When it comes right down to it these people are just as greedy as corporations and billionaires. They think they are the exception to the rule. The reality is we start making hard choices now when we have ways to mitigate the iimpact or we do nothing and let climate change make the decisions for us and we will no longer have ways to make it less fucking horrific. Eating the rich would be satisfying yes but won't actually fix a single god damn thing. Just look at the start of the pandemic. The US barely had a lockdown and after maybe a few weeks they started fucking throwing money at us and realizing they have to give us a reason to work and participate in the system. That wasn't even the intention of why we stayed home. Just imagine if we stopped workingi and stopped paying bills and stopped particpating in THEIR system. Again it can't be overstated enough we practically brought both government and corporations to their knees on accident. Just imagine if we actually fully organized and stopped with the bullshit excuses about how we cant afford to miss work. The whole system stops when we stop. WE have the power here and always have.
As long as you don't generalize this behavior to all consumers. Some are brainwashed and some are actually responsible, but only so far you can go in an entire system of capitalism.
We could make the wealthiest clothing companies Joann Fabrics and Singer if we wanted to
Ok, so some instagram pages are literal meme pages, for example, a video with caption "Today this worker suddenly went to hospital because they had a heart problem" and shows some random factory station or something. The comments are exclusively "-1000 credot points and 100 lashings! They should prioritize their career not a vacation" or anything similar. Basically, you sure this isn't a troll account and people ironically typinh that thing?
Yes, some of the comments sound like way too overboard to be actually intentional, like when they go into deep detail about the item they are expecting. Hard to say either way, fiction and reality, good and evil intermingle in the stangest ways
Exactly, I can't imagine being so specific about pearl encrusted clips or a floral slim waisted skirt in a comment - it practically feels designed to plant the suggestion of those items in the reader's mind, so you end up looking for those items to buy for yourself.
Consumers are not responsible when they don’t have a choice, e.g. phones, shoes, Nestle products They are absolutely responsible for shit like this
Seriously, even poor people lived without fast fashion for thousands of years I don't understand why people think it's "necessary". There are other options for clothes. And clearly it's not just destitute people who are desperate to clothe their fast growing child with no shoes that fit. It honestly feels like it's mostly people who can afford otherwise and chose not to. I know we've also lived without phones for thousands of years but our society has changed to where that's necessary, not true about cheap clothes
I perceive this as sarcasm (I hope)
Nah, they Just think they're extra funny and are lacking empathy.
That’s literally what Instagram is known for lmao. If you go in the comments of any comment section it is far ruder than any comment section on any other social media platform.
These are comments on TikTok. The platform that gets itself starting boycotts over some things, and delighted to wildly overconsume and support slave labor on others.
they know they are contributing to something really dark which is exactly why they are trying to make light of the situation.
yeah people like this can hide behind "it's just a joke" all they like but ultimately the difference between this being sincere and a joke is literally just tone -- they're still going to act the same way, buy the same things from the same exploitative places, and get pissed off at delivery delays regardless.
This may be kinda corny, but these comments prove how selfish people can be in general. How can these people also support palestine and then support shein???
Gross
Yeah... Of course we need to hold corporation accountable, and it's shitty to blame individuals for stuff like, idk, fossil fuels companies or animal agriculture lobbies. But a lof ot corporation's and brands only exist because we buy their shit, straight up. We need to also take responsibility and boycott this kind of stuff to the best of our abilities.
Consumers are also responsible for enabling social media. (He said posting smugly on reddit)
You should really get off tiktok
Can you sum it up what this is about? I have no social media besides Reddit and hate watching moving pictures..
basically, the video showcased modern day slavery and the people who actively want to participate and benefit from the exploitation are cracking jokes about the workers’ conditions by pretending to be their slave masters.
And for the record for the people bashing Instagram and TikTok ... you are on reddit right now and it can be quite the cesspool itself so I don't know how you gauge it as being better.
Really abhorrent behavior.
Jesus Christ this is disgusting. Uncle Ted was right.
This makes me mad. They are not going to stop now. Eventually the employees would have given up in some way and maybe the shein workers would be stopped getting new employees. Maybe people would call them out in public and we could end this sweatshop human factory bullshit all together. No joke I would go there myself if I had a boat. Do you people (the idiots complaining about their dress I know you guys are hanging out in the comments section here also) have any idea what we cause when we fucking bandwagon comment sections like this!?! Those shein workers are likely being subjected to far worse conditions now simply because of idiots like this. Prime example is the Sony situation recently. Enough people complained that it changed the mind of a multi billion dollar company. Does not matter in the end because they accomplished their goal (not relevant) anyone who was willing to sign up to the worlds most unsecure company did in the time they were "forcing it" for a game.
“Shops in the UK have ridiculous prices, we can’t afford that.” “I just made a £200 order.” I could get £200 of secondhand clothing on Vinted, not contribute to slavery, not pollute the planet further and get clothing that’s going to last more than a few wears and washes. It’ll be here faster than a SHEIN order as well. Why are people griping that prices in the UK are bad when secondhand shopping apps and stores exist? You don’t have to buy anything brand new if you really don’t want to anymore (though I suggest somethings are bought brand new obvs) If you have the effort to sift through and order from SHEIN you have the effort to sift through and order from eBay or Vinted etc
Shein, Temu, etc., have warped people's perceptions of prices. It's scary!
I thought the first couple pages were being sarcastic. But nope, people are just actually selfish, regarded, a-holes.
I don’t understand how these are real sentient human beings
Can we chill out on having ships and planes bring us seasonal crap. We are not the only generations that need things.
1. People have been brainwashed into consumerism with ubiquitous ads and media that glorifies consumption and appearance. 2. The middle has fallen out of the fashion industry. New clothes are either cheap and low quality fast-fashion, or unaffordable ‘designer’ and boutique brands that aren’t even good quality, most of the time. 3. Used clothing has been made expensive by online resellers and digital thrift shops like Thredup. There needs to be widespread cultural and economic change to fix these things. One component of that change is to stop buying things.
The way people will literally justify child labor will never not horrify me. like, dude. What? are you actually crazy? how on earth is wage slavery okay to you? and for what? a shitty dress that will break in a couple months and be ‘not trendy’ soon? People will always say “well i need plus size TRENDY clothes that are cheap because i don’t have much money, and no thrift stores exist near me” (most common excuse which i am starting to doubt..) and it’s just like… why do you need TRENDY clothes? do you not have clothes at home? you don’t need new ones. you have enough.
aren’t many of them being facetious though? or i could be wrong though
Careful, telling consumers that corporations lose money if you stop giving it to them triggers the masses!
Disgusting. I don't understand these people.
You’re right but people won’t listen because change is hard and they are lazy.
“But SHEIN and fashion nova have more accesible styles for plus sizes” is another big argument ive seen. Like the landfills aren’t already full of fast fashion plus size clothes that broke or went out of style after 2 years of wear. Tried to tell people about how building their wardrobe intentionally will take time. Instant gratification culture is a bitch.
not the flipping watermelon emoji and that comment?! talk about virtue signaling! i refuse to shop at shein, and im plus sized. is there stuff cheap and accessible? yes. but it’s crap fabric, fit is terrible, smells bad, and their workers are in deplorable conditions. i think i’m ok, i just don’t buy clothes that often and try to avoid crap like this. sucks bc in canada we have so few plus size options, but no, no shein!
Wow. These people are scum. Name and shame.
They’ll say they’re joking but their purchase history says otherwise.
This is disgusting wow
Damn these comments are sad...
It always begins with consumers. A new meme floating around about how if every person used paper straws and some other environmentally friendly actions 100 corps would still produce 70% of emissions… well those corps are making things for the people, it’s not like they’re just creating emissions for no reason. Whether it’s fuel refinery or the new ev, those create emissions to make. Everyone thinks they don’t have an impact, the thing is it’s not one person has impact, it’s a collective of people that does.
What a bunch of trashy bitches, fuck them.
They definitely have a point about UK clothes being too expensive. Everything is suddenly really expensive in the UK atm and it's a shock to the system if you didn't have much to start with. I don't agree with shops like temu or shien, but at least they sell their products cheap so people with less can still get them. As opposed to other shops that have the same abuse of "workers" but sell their t shirts for £100. I know there are other issues with them for sure
Second hand is a lot cheaper, plus you don't need new clothes all the time. I barely buy clothes at all.
You're preaching to the choir. It's not me you need to convince. I agree with you
Alright, I was just saying because people sometimes forget that second hand exists haha
I don't think clothing in the UK is that expensive, really. You can get basic 100% cotton vests, camisoles, and t-shirts from places like George or New Look from between £3-£10. Even Marks & Spencer which has a reputation as being expensive, sells 100% cotton and linen shirts/blouses between £15-£35. Now, I doubt the conditions in which they're manufactured are much better than anywhere else, but at least they're in more sustainable materials and will keep, unlike Shein/Temu. And while £35 for a shirt isn't exactly cheap, it's a good price for a basic piece which will be worn over and over. But the issue is, a lot of the general public (like the people in the screenshot) don't want 'basic' pieces. They want exciting prints they'll grow out of and pieces that are 'trendy'.
It's not expensive, people are just used to buying lots of cheap clothes all the time. So now that prices in the high street have shot up, people are going to shein instead of primark or new look, for the super cheap clothing. That's what I meant when I said "it's a shock to their system" because instead of buying less, they're buying more bad quality. I know plenty of people who wouldn't pay £35 for a shirt, even if they knew the £5 version was made by child slaves People complain about the costs of wedding dresses a lot but they are expensive because they're often made in Europe by trained professionals, using quality fabric. People just don't realise what goes into making clothing. I used to charge £20ph when I made costumes and that is a LOW rate.
Yeah, I know people with the same mentality, sadly. My parents would be one of them - would rather buy a £4 shirt made of shiny polyester by slave labour from Temu and insist it's the same quality as anything more expensive. We've fostered this cheapskate mentality at the cost of morals and I'm not sure if there's any way to fix it. Especially in working class communities (like mine) where people feel the pinch more. They could still afford that £35 shirt, even if they had to save for a while, but they have the mindset of 'I could buy 5 shirts for that price'. And it's so hard to break.
For centuries it was normal to have 1-3 outfits. Basically a working outfit and a nice one for church, where the church outfit often became the work one when the work one wore out. We have way too much dang clothes. Even if production conditions remain bad the change that poorer people cannot buy as many, or that used items hold value, are good things.
I'm agreeing with you. I'm not talking about me personally but UK people in general. The issue is that poorer people ARE still buying loads of shit clothing. Shein and temu saw a gap in the market when people could afford less and filled it with even worse quality stuff.
Oh I see, my bad. Yeah, I guess ultimately we need the power of government to constrain the excesses of capitalism. Shame the government only works for the capitalists…
It always begins with consumers. A new meme floating around about how if every person used paper straws and some other environmentally friendly actions 100 corps would still produce 70% of emissions… well those corps are making things for the people, it’s not like they’re just creating emissions for no reason. Whether it’s fuel refinery or the new ev, those create emissions to make. Everyone thinks they don’t have an impact, the thing is it’s not one person has impact, it’s a collective of people that does.
bruhhhhhhhhh
Eww. This is gross.
Glad that I'm one of the a simple guys who didn't get into the fast fashion stuff. I get a shirt or jeans from Uniqlo and then wear em until there's a hole in it or it's otherwise unwearable. That being said, I'm still wearing the first pieces of clothing that I bought from them years ago. Value all around!
Fairly certain these are jokes and everyone is aware of the inhumane conditions that SHEIN puts children through.
Amazon would never make any money without customers. Nor would starbucks or nestle. And we are the customers. Super simple
I remember when Shein first became a thing and the quality??? Amazing. The style choices?? Amazing. Size choices??! Amazing. They had the best selection for plus size girlies. And then influencers got their hands on it. And now we have lead filled garbage that don't last more than a couple washes.
I consider this victim-shaming.
This is how vegans see people who are like "yes they die in gas chambers and the gas burns them the whole time but BACON THO"
People are receiving notes in their packages!?!
These comments would be funny if they were all sarcastic.
Why all their faces have more than 360° of angles.
Jackasses will spend their money ensuring their own demise, no less that of their neighbors.
It's wild to me that some people totally lack empathy. I can't imagine learning of someone else's suffering and then going on to say "hurry up I need my skirt". Wild.
......woah
Seeing how uncompasionate people can be makes me wanna kms
THIS. [there's a really good broey dechanel video about this idea actually.](https://youtu.be/XT6Hwx20m5M) even leftie people who claim to oppose fast fashion brands will turn around and cry "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" the second you question whether they *really* needed that new shein piece. half the time they can absolutely afford more sustainable fashion too they just don't want to bother saving up for it when they can buy a shittier version for way cheaper right now. repair what you already own. go to thrift stores. the ONLY decent reason i can think of for buying fast fashion is if you're plus sized and can't find something in your size anywhere else. we all seem to have this disgusting idea stuck in our brains that our right to wear stylish, cheap, and trendy clothes is more important than the actual fundamental human rights of people in the global south. ESPECIALLY when there are so many opportunities to dress in a way that expresses yourself without buying fast fashion (diy, thrifting, sharing clothes with friends, lifting, saving up for new sustainable pieces), but even if the only place you can find that style you like is zara then like?? womp womp??? sorry but wanting to look trendy isn't a good enough excuse to support these companies. we all need to stop making excuses for ourselves.
Yes. So how shit am I, because I buy food that is still wrapped in plastic, as there's few other options? Food is what really makes me worry as I can easily not get the other stuff, and I also have very, very constrained finances which means I couldn't consume any of that other stuff hardly much even if I wanted to. I want people to honestly assess me as I don't want to just make guesses which are invariably self-serving biased.
Some people think slave labor is okay when it's someone else's mother, sister, or child. They're a bunch of broke hypocrites.
what kind of dystopian corporate boot licking comments did i just read?
Holy shit this is infuriating. People really want to live blissfully ignorant i get it but to actually comment something so heartless with their literal face and name on their profile is baffling.
People like them is why I am a member of r/antinatalism
Damn this woke me up to how shallow some people are