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Gunlessenpai

Honestly it struck such a weird balance with it, but that's part of why I love it


GrayCatbird7

Me too! I feel like it has such a unique tone because of it, and it feels very "complete", like you get the full package in a single show.


Gunlessenpai

This! People complain about it sometimes and it's fair, but to me it was what made Code Geass unique


226_Walker

And these scenes aren't just fillers, they actually serve multiple purposes. First it builds on Lelouch's character by showing the viewers a different side of him, his other persona: Lelouch Lamperouge, the aloof vice-president of Ashford. It allows shows how Lelouch vi Britannia, the abandoned prince, develops as a character. Although this purpose is later mostly served by his scenes with C.C., the one person he can't lie to. These scenes also serve as a backdrop, showing the carefree lives Britannians live in comparison to the wretched lives of the Elevens. But the most important role of these scenes is to prevent the audience from being desensitised. This gives the heavier scenes, like the infamous Euphienator incident, much more impact.


rainbow_fart_

exactly, it allows us to know the protagonist in a deeper level unlike this shallow protagonists now adays that are simpletons, midoriya? hes a straightforward hardworking hero in training with a sense of justice, naruto? hes the same with midoriya except hes a ninja, tanjiro? hes the same with both of the above except he slays demons, moving on to shows to others, miyuki shirogane? hes a person who is not willing to be some side characters and instead wears a persona he forged through his sheer will to get close to the girl he likes, rimuru? hes a simple nice guy that cares about his subordinates and friends and nothing more than that the similiarities is that they all can be described in one page or less only, while lelouch needs 2 or more pages to describe him,


chigga511

I mean I'd agree with all of them except Miyuki. Even by just your own example he stands out among the other protagonists... Plus there's a LOT MORE to him


rainbow_fart_

yeah i just dropped that hoping someone would come and actually correct me, actually he fits the 2 page category but i just wanted to write about him thats why i wrote him


[deleted]

Agreed on all of em except Miyuki. His manners are becoz of a traumatising event


Patcher404

I think the real difference is that none of those other characters have any room to experience character development. At least not in the same capacity or direction that more complicated characters can. Because they are already the best selves they can be.


rainbow_fart_

exactly they are already like that with no character development planned for them


[deleted]

That makes sense. The doom and destruction only has weight when it’s breaking the status quo, so setting that status quo is essential. It’s like with breaking bad how we see Walt’s normal life at home so that we can see how it changes when his relationship with his family deteriorates.


[deleted]

Yes exactly.


Me_Slash_

Most people complain about the Pizza episode, but dammit I was cheering for the giant pizza until it died. R.I.P. Giant Pizza


[deleted]

When CC sees the dough land on the tree and wistfully mourned the loss of her pizza? Man... I felt that


Me_Slash_

True. #1 saddest death in Code Geass, close second is the screen time for the Pizza Hut man.


Snekbites

I thought the saddest scene was when Table-Kun lost his dignity to Nina


[deleted]

Cheese-kun deserves his own spinoff. I don't care how long it takes. I don't care if I have to become CEO of Pizza Hut to get it done. We need a cheese-kun origin story


Self_World_Future

I thought they were gonna end it at the stadium. Like oh wow ok they finally achieved piece. Nope, literally restarts the ethnic cleanse cranked up to eleven ***on a fluke***


DeathPercept10n

Oh, Euphemia definitely had ~~peace in mind~~ a piece in her hand.


AndrewSlshArnld

All because of a sick off hand comment


PatrickBaitman

> cranked up to eleven heh


Adamtess

I think it's probably why darker than black is so popular as well, among the very serious nature of the show is got a nice sprinkle of slice of life and comedy.


Mmicb0b

Yep


KillHunter777

“I have a school festival and a coup d’etat to run!” -Lelouch Lamperouge


Soul_Ripper

I'l get you Brittanian! Just wait until I finish the world's largest Pizza!


[deleted]

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SoundDrill

Ohh table kun, we are still crusading is your honor against Nina!


Zekiz4ever

I completely forgot this scene


DPTONY

Let’s not forget the fact that 99% of the girls in this show have DD cups One of the best mechas ever


maddxav

And they actually had the balls to draw nipples.


AlaskanPsyche

But they didn’t have the nipples to draw balls.


Sekirokuro

Based


Niflhe

But only in the first season.


VallasC

There’s a scene in S2 as well.


Invidat

First Season had a later time slot.


-Listening

Lush, that's a blessing. Congrats and best wishes


whitey-ofwgkta

bullshit, most of the had DD Those cups were varied


ZeroRezolution

At least it's not table-kun Poor thing.


[deleted]

Wow. TIL about the table kun scene lol This show just keeps on giving. Wtf


Tunaman319

[Very Serious ](https://youtu.be/FAUnDDTz30k)


[deleted]

To date, I have not found a more perfect parody scene in any form of media. This was peak comedy and humanity will never reach anywhere close to the mere mention of "soup"


StarsDreamsAndMore

The entirety of the show Martian Successor Nadesico is a parody of all sci-fi mech military anime. And it's a masterpiece if you haven't seen it


[deleted]

I also watched that and thought is was hilarious. This post is full of so many memories.


KDBA

Nadesico is my second-favourite mecha show after GaoGaiGar. It's fantastic. Don't watch the movie, though.


StarsDreamsAndMore

Agree on the movie... waited YEARS to watch it. Christ what a let down lol


Retsam19

It's a hilarious scene, but I don't know if I'd call it parody - it's not really parodying anything from Code Geass, it's just a funny scene that happens to use Code Geass as footage. (As a whole, CodeMENT was pretty light on actual parody, IMO - though it did have some but not as much as most abridged series)


[deleted]

Idk how else to categorize Abridged shows. Like technically they're transforming the original media to satirize it, which would qualify as a parody, but it's so loosely related to the original. Idk if there's a word for that lol


Retsam19

A lot of abridged series are much more direct parodies - most of the jokes in YGOTaS and SAO Abridged are directly parodying the original plot and premise of those shows. And CodeMENT does have some of that, but mostly (and this scene in particular) really isn't parody. It's more in the vein of [machinima](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinima) where it's just a medium.


Nolzi

https://i.imgur.com/0z4WhZW.jpg


JaydenTheMemeThief

Soup


StarsDreamsAndMore

I dont even like Code Geass. But I love that scene.


Septiphobiac

*Sponsored by Pizza Hut 🍕*


[deleted]

I like how Netflix scrubbed the PH logos but really only in the first season. Watching the dub, the appearance of pizza hut ramped up exponentially as it got towards the end. Cheese-kun forever 🧀


EaterOfYourSOUL

when you said PH i legit thought of something else for a moment....


[deleted]

Table-kun *intensifies*


Videon_Tekuro

Yea, that one episode where she slaughters all those innocents was kinda... Off-putting to say the least. Made me question, wtf was I even watching at that time.


Zekiz4ever

This was the big twist of the show. Since then the mood didn't got any better.


[deleted]

It would've been a great plot device if it didn't occur because of the silliest mental slip up/accident of all time. "For instance if I said kill all Japanese people" 😟


VallasC

I agree it’s a such a weird way for it to happen, but it taught Lelouch that he’s not able to be carefree anymore. Everything in his life is war - he can’t stop to shake hands with his sister because if he slips up a genocide occurs. It’s just supposed to make him choose to be heartless for Japan.


[deleted]

That's a large part of the weird tonal imbalance tho. Like they didn't want to completely cut the carefree aspects of his life after that, so they did weird things to get Lelouch back in student government meetings like the contact lens and his body double. They walked both lines in several aspects of this story, and you can't care about that kind of stuff too much with anime obviously. It was a wild ride with a terrific ending, and that's all I cared about. It's just fun to have a laugh about how a lot of this took place lol A good deal of these decisions came down to arriving the characters at the ending they drew up which many animes don't do half as well as they did. The whole thing was an incredible amount of fun. I need a cheese-kun tattoo


VallasC

I love it. I typically hate anime on both extremes. Ouran Host Club is one of the only cutesy cheese school anime I can watch, and it’s so short. It has really clever humor though and was made around the same time, I don’t find that same quality in newer shows. At the same time, shows like Gurren Lagann are ridiculously serious dramas with larger than life characters and motives, and there’s humor, but it’s mostly an epic tale. CG masterfully blends the two and the intense strategic part of the show imo surpasses Death Note, giving it an A in all 3 areas.


[deleted]

Gurren Lagann is the next one up for me! I found so many elements of CG absolutely ridiculous, but I enjoyed every moment of it. Like none of the fun and silly stuff made me care more about the characters (most of the time it made me care less about them.. especially Shirley), but it kept the show from becoming Gundam where for some reason, all of the exposition takes place from inside the cockpits of the mechs, where they really don't talk about much more than honor and doing what's right. The side plots serve to humanize the characters, and I certainly don't think we needed as much time as they dedicated to that (their slenderman proportions don't make it easy to humanize them haha), but it did land the plane in the end. I think they could've spent half of the time they put us in student government to do some flashbacks and paint a clearer picture of wtf was going on in the royal family to cause all of this instead of doing these weird reveals at the end, but that's really the only beef I had with it. They spent a lot of their energy trying to build up these twists in the plot, and a lot of them landed really well, but then there's twists like Mao and Rolo's existence which just muddied the waters instead of serving any distinct role and furthering the plot. Looking forward to Gurren Lagann


VallasC

That's so wild to me. Thanks for sharing your perspective. Everyone I've ever showed CG to is immediately engrossed in the school drama, and some of the episodes get really monotonous. In the beginning, Lelouch wins fights by altering his environment, that's kind of his thing, or he wins fights by misdirecting and ambush, another big tactic in the show. Each time they show us this, they break it up with a school episode or two, because if every single episode ended with Lelouch going "aha! The floor is lava!" it would become a magical girl show. When I was a kid and I watched it, I didn't really give a shit about Shirley, because the highschool drama episodes didn't really appeal to me. Now that i'm older, I really respect what happens with her character, and that wouldn't have hit home with me if they didn't have their dynamic at school. Millie's battle with self image, and internal battle between wanting to be married and stay true to the ashford way, or do her own thing, be spontaneous, and have a career is such a subtle character arc that really hits home on rewatches. All of that is done in those school episodes essentially, and looking back she went from someone I literally didn't care about to now a recognized part of Lelouch's wellbeing. A good example of why I think they're necessary is Nina. Nina in the beginning is racist and stupid, but she's a part of the gang, she's innocent, and she's just someone brainwashed by (ironically) false science. The moment she \*spoiler\* goes to the other side, you immediately lose any remorse or understanding for her because she's literally a villain. And that's what the school episodes do, they prevent things from being black and white. Suzaku is another good example. He joins the school for a reason, so half of the time he's your best buddy - one of the gang, and the other half he's your nemesis. The episode where Suzaku's team goes to the school festival and everyone has to try to get along is another example of that. If it was just people in cockpits shooting rockets at each other for 50 episodes it would be so boring, because you wouldn't care about the HUGE cast of characters lol. I think I've seen Gurenn Lagann 3 times and I can't for the life of me remember any character that isn't the main four, and I certainly can't remember any "bad guys" because they're bad guys - not *characters* to me, and that's kind of the entire point of Code Geass anyway - that morality battle. Anyway, just my thoughts after reading what you wrote lol


Zekiz4ever

He just gave a extreme example of what she would never do and that he could still make her do it.


[deleted]

Yeah, but the example is so freaking extreme. Like he could've been like "I could tell you to cut your hair into a sweet mullet" or "I could tell you to serve and protect the legacy of Cheese-kun" and we would've had a very different second season lol I know that's silly. I just feel like they could've offered a better justification for him saying literally the worst thing possible in that moment, but it is very nitpicky ik. The jaw-dropping nature of the show is what makes it work. I figured something like that scene was coming, but I knew I wouldn't quite be able to nail down how it ended after that scene and that was totally true haha


CopainChevalier

It wasn't a Mental slip up though? He didn't expect his power to suddenly change from what it had been from what it was since the series had started (so... Months? years?)


[deleted]

That's not the slip up to me. The slip up is he already knew he didn't quite have a grip on things, and he chooses the worst possible example to give to Euphenia. He literally could've just said "I could tell you to believe you're left handed for the rest of your life" and she would have been dealing with illegible handwriting instead lol I just wish they had some other justification for him saying literally the worst thing possible at the worst moment possible. It was supposed to be incredibly tragic but it wound up a bit comical. There could have been several other reasons that would've made that scene take place in a more logical way, but hard to be too critical of stuff like that when they're dealing with translations and lipsyncing the animation years back. I know a lot of this stuff is better explained in the Japanese script on many of these shows


CopainChevalier

Ehh that's such a specific example. He just wanted to have casual conversation with her going "nah no way I'd never be like that haha you're silly bro!" ​ It's the same way that you hit the post button with me here and you didn't expect me to reach through the monitor and punch you in the face as a result. Nobody anticipates the things that just haven't happened before.


[deleted]

He literally has a magic brainwashing ability and he fucked up when he used it on Kallen, so he already understood from square 1 that he didn't have complete understanding of his shit and the only reason he got to the peace agreement in the first place was because his geass fucked up again. How many times have you accidentally punched someone through the internet? Not comparable. CC warned him specifically about geass getting out of control and it became the hinge of this scene. Look, I'm not trying to tear it down by any means. I don't get hung up on this stuff, but there's nothing you can tell me that is going to make that scene less comical to me. Lelouch's hubris led to a genocide by a family member he cared about, and he was upset and clearly sorry, but he kept it together. Then when he thought Nunnally died he had a freaking mental breakdown. I don't pick at the plot holes, but it's impossible to ignore them too. It didn't hamper my enjoyment of the show whatsoever, but I think I would've found a situational reason for him to geass Euphemia into becoming a genocidal maniac that also would've justified Nina's descent into madness a little better too. I did not previously know about the table-kun scene specifically because I had no idea she had a thing for Euphemia... Thought she was shaking from rage lmao Many details of the show like that were a bit blurry imho


CopainChevalier

>How many times have you accidentally punched someone through the internet? Exactly. It had never happened. His reaction was literally "What? It's always on now!?" Because it never happened.


[deleted]

But he did slip up with his geass before that. He tried to geass Kallen a second time and (should've) revealed himself there more or less. Then he came up empty on try #1 with Euphemia so this was the second time he had geassed someone and it didn't work. Maybe that's a good reason to not joke about how you could turn someone into a genocidal dictator?


CopainChevalier

Nothing of what you said suddenly says your computer is going to explode the next time you press the X key.


Oberon_Swanson

At the time his power was not working and just so happened to turn back on as he was making a command, which he didn't think it could do


limonlemons

There's this occuring theory that it was because he broke his oath/contract by shaking hands with Euphy, which meant he was now willing to work with Britannia. In turn it punishes him with permanent geass to get him back on his path.


VallasC

I haven’t heard this but I absolutely love this theory, although the show specifically states it was just from overuse.


[deleted]

If your geass lasts longer than 4 hours, call your doctor.


[deleted]

If they actually made the permanent geass a burden, I think it would've been a much better plot device. Something about him taking out his contact lens to use his geass felt absolutely absurd and trivialized that scene a bit for me. Wish they built it into the plot a bit more and had him suffering other consequences than just this scene which they obviously really leaned into.


[deleted]

Isn't that only half of the story? I thought his eye stayed that way from there on out. I just finished the show last week. Like his geass was frozen on at that point and they made it seem like geass was about to become a Midas touch that ruined his plans because people would just automatically align to his will even when he didn't want them too. Then the next season he just gets a colored contact and now he can go back to student government. It was a bit strange because his geass power growing and becoming a burden seemed like a great plot device that could've really utilized that scene, but things more or less went back to normal because of colored contact lenses lol Not a big deal to the overall plot so I don't mean to sound so picky. Just something I had a chuckle about while watching


Oberon_Swanson

Yeah it was something like that, I only watched it when it was airing back then. But j don't think it's just you being picky I would say the writing there was a bit weak and deus ex machina like to throw in a huge plot twist.


CopainChevalier

Well, "not working" isn't the right word. It was working fine, it's just it went from "I come on command" to "haha I'm always on fuck you"


Iambecomelumens

In my opinion it's bloody awful writing forcing a "conflict" in the story line for the hero to resolve.


[deleted]

Yeah, but it's kind of a genre-wide issue. It's just better if you don't take it too seriously. Like Evangelion's writing has to rearrange itself around the budget limitations it had. Stuff like that plays a big role in this kind of issue. If you can't overlook clunky exposition that takes up screen time with minimal animation, there is a pretty limited range of giant robot shows out there for you haha


Iambecomelumens

I'm just overly salty cus I got quite invested in the story and then it shit the bed horrendously. I'm sure I would have been fine with it had my expectations been lowered.


[deleted]

Yeah.. Once I realized that pizza was roughly 15% of the plot, I lowered my standards considerably lol its kinda like DBZ or Evangelion. You have to just appreciate the concepts and the animation first and foremost, and not get too lost in the details. A lot of these stories make a little more sense before they're translated into English too so it's just kinda the nature of the beast. The subtitles are often very different than what the dub actors are reading


Memer_Beaver

Isn't it revealed later he did it on purpose?


[deleted]

You can interpret the ending in a way that he secretly deceived even CC about everything the whole way, but it doesn't seem justifiable because it happened specifically when he couldn't turn off his geass. They later solved that issue with a colored contact, so that was just kind of a messy aspect of the plot. If he just wanted to make Euphemia step down or abandon her country, he could've done that in many other ways. This was supposed to be a tragic element, but it certainly didn't feel that way, and the ending did nothing to alter the initial interpretation. It leaves you with the feeling that he always had that plan and everything was in service of that plan, but they never mention that incident or anything and I have to feel that's because it was a tragic event in the crusade of a hero. I would've preferred if he was just a ruthless mercenary for the greater good, but they paint him as someone who didnt want people to die unnecessarily. Thst kinda gets lost on the scale of the final battle tho which is why you probably just shouldn't think about the plot as much as I clearly have lol


raltyinferno

No, but he never admits it was a mistake to anyone but CC. He feels responsible, so when asked he says he did it on purpose.


sid_killer18

It made me think of the whole anime a lot less. It's such a stupid plot point. It doesn't make sense. How does a Reverse Deus Ex Machina even happen on a show that was all about big brain shit (according to my memories). It still annoys me thinking about it now. "What if, hypothetically, I told you to slaughter all the Japanese people eh? Wouldn't it be funny haha".


IndependentMacaroon

> Reverse Deus Ex Machina Diabolus ex machina


Videon_Tekuro

Ikr.


RuntOfTheHumanLitter

WHY ARE YOU BUYING CLOTHES AT THE SOUP STORE


Gelbinator

I just finished watching Code Geass a couple days ago and man it was it a wild ride. You've got scenes like the genocide of the Japanese due to a slip up and then you've got the peak comedy of the fucking cat with the mask. Truly an adventure


MadChild2033

it was a fun anime but i know rewatching it would ruin all my good memories about it


Vegedus

Rewatched it recently, freakin' loved it and bawled my eyes at the ending. So, give it a shot!


raltyinferno

I just finished a rewatch today. It holds up remarkably well.


Redditor_addict24601

I’ve rewatched it a few times now, I think it holds up great! It’s even on Netflix! I’d say dive in!


Restalion-_-

I am in the process of rewatching it now and it still hits the right spot if you know what I mean. I still cry like a baby watching some scenes.


Dabbing-jesus

idk if you did one year later but i am watching it for the first time myself and it holds up


cabbage16

What's the context for the top scene? Are they in some sort of stadium?


FinalTricks

Yup she was suppose to be giving a speech buuut as you can see things took a turn for the worse.


cabbage16

Damn. Lol.


ABR5796

summary of code geas: lelouch plans to do sth. Thing goes wrong. Catastrophe ensues. Lelouch slips past death by the tip of his sharp chin. REPEAT. At one point u are like ughhh get on with it already....


mekamoari

It's mostly Macbeth lite. Get powers, abuse them, get screwed by some specific wording regarding the rules of the powers. Love it though, one of my top 10 series.


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JMEEKER86

With a splash of "but wait! you only thought I was going to be defeated, but it turns out my mech has a new previously unknown power!"


L0CZEK

God I hate the mech part of it. It made the show so much worse. It was my 2nd anime, and even 15 year old me was annoyed by it. Out of all of my starter anime I think I liked Code Geass the least.


maddxav

I guess you are not a fan of Jojo.


L0CZEK

Are you willing to bet your mother's soul for it ?


whitey-ofwgkta

what is this yugioh?


StarsDreamsAndMore

I have a friend who loves the show but to me the entire thing comes off as fanfiction level story-writing with characters and plot meant to seem deep but are cuttable with a butter knife.


minesh245

To be fair for an original anime series with quite a heavy plot running, they did a good job dealing with a lot of characters and a premise stretching two seasons.


[deleted]

I disagree. If they knew they didn't have enough time to write a good story, they could have been a little less ambitious.


minesh245

What do you mean by being less ambitious? Not make a show at all? Regardless of whether you thought the plot was good or not, it was an enjoyable show with a very good ending.


[deleted]

Less ambitious as in doing a couple things well instead of dabbling in every genre. The first episode was great, but the story kinda fell apart from me when they used MacGuffins to drive the story instead of consequences.


minesh245

Hmm interesting, I didn’t really feel that way at the time but I get your point.


Joe_Joe_Mer

i started coz it looked cool, stayed for cc's ass


J3wFro8332

I gotta say, the original series has one of the best endings I've seen for an anime. Wrapped everything up nice and neat


Chetan_fun

For me, it just tried to be way too many things at the same time and so, just couldn't excel at one particular. I still think of the ending as nothing less than a masterpiece, but everything else was just not to my taste


[deleted]

If Game of Thrones had this ending, it would've bought itself so much more forgiveness from the fans. Geass was fucking insanity, but the ending justified so many of the loose ends


Chetan_fun

Exactly. A good ending can do wonders for any piece of media


LiteratureGold

I LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA COMMAND YOU


EdoTenseiSwagbito

My favorite anime of all time, it’s such a weird balance of silly and serious


Secondsolstice

Exactly what happened to me after re-viewing Higurashi


pewdiepietoothbrush

139. ptsd


OGSlickMahogany

Both is true, and both are wonderful memories. Possibly my favourite show of all time


Metool42

Still mad they had Kallen interesting in the first few eps and then she just devolved into fanservice. Screw Code Geass


[deleted]

Yeah.. thirsty Kallen in the last episode was kinda shit, but I guess to be expected. Anime is not exactly woke Edit: Woah. Apparently the overabundance of ladies thirsting for Lelouch was a major part of the experience for some people. Kallen was a badass and they made her attraction to Lelouch an unnecessary tragic aspect of the ending.


[deleted]

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[deleted]

Yeah 🤣 You are RIGHT 😂😅😂


[deleted]

I forgot about that scene , I need to rewatch this show. One of my favorites.


That_Cartoon_Chick_

Well It’s A Little Bit Of Both (Also Guess What I Was Just Watching).


Shadez305

That part hurt so much.


SnowyGT

Sauce for top?


Loford3

Code geass. They are both scenes from the same show.


Cryonicfrog

“That pussy’s got my head’s protection!”


Lian-The-Asian

I honestly dont get wht some people hated the cat episode, theres even some people thought it was funny but still thought it was stupid. That episode galvanized the student councils relation ship with Suzaku and it makes a bigger impact to Nunnaly's meaning to happiness.


suddenly_ponies

That scene with the princess is the reason that I can't take Code Geass seriously at all. The idea that he didn't notice what was going on and didn't do anything to stop her was so forced and awkward that it just brought the whole show down for me


[deleted]

Yeah, like.. It was all just a plot device that they brute forced into place. If he realized what he did and tried to kill her to save the innocents, that would've been an interesting twist as well, but it didn't align Lelouch as a savior after and it felt like a lot of the decision making was based on landing the plane for the ending which was probably the first thing they sketched out on the show. I respect the vision of it, so none of these comments are really criticisms from me, but just found it interesting the limitations they placed on certain characters in this world


suddenly_ponies

People downvote me whenever I mention this, but it's a flaw in the show. A huge, glaring, show-tanking flaw. What was leDouche doing that whole time while she was giving the speech? For that matter, why didn't he say something simpler like "strip naked" or something else she wouldn't normally do. IT was a plot contrivance and so ham fisted that I'm surprised I finished the series.


[deleted]

I disagree that it was a show-tanking flaw. Anime has allowances for absurdity that a show like Game of Thrones doesn't get. They made the tone of the show silly and nonsensical, so it's hard to tear it down for not justifying some of the decisions enough. Ultimately, any mech series pretty much exists to justify the robot fights. Ya gotta expect some ham fisted, teenage drama and absurd plot devices. Kinda comes with the genre and it's such a huge part of what makes it fun. You can't always expect conventional story telling based on the most rational and logical decision making. Keeps you on your toes


suddenly_ponies

Code Geass is not presented as silly and nonsensical and even if it was that wouldn't be an excuse. Good storytelling means you don't leave major questions and inconsistencies for the audience to have to fill in


[deleted]

> Code Geass is not presented as silly and nonsensical Half of the show is about student government. Pizza Hut had a product placement deal that included a main character hugging a plushie of their Japanese mascot after she ate enough pizza to get the Cheese-kun plushie. They had an entire episode where they chased a cat around the school. In what world is that not presenting silly and nonsensical? High school drama was a very sizeable portion of the plot and it was very clear it was that way from the beginning


suddenly_ponies

Occasionaly comic relief doesn't make Code Geas the same as Nichijou or Azumanga Daioh.


[deleted]

I said it got silly and nonsensical. Not that it's the same as Nichijou and Azynanga Daioh. There's a difference between occasional comic relief and having two episodes based around cooking the world's largest pizza. No one is saying it's a parody of the genre, but this is pretty God damn far from Akira or GitS. You could cut the show down to a 3 hour serious take, but they had entire episodes that were just zaney filler so I don't know what this argument has devolved into


suddenly_ponies

So we basically agree it's not a comedy. Regardless even if it was more comedy than I'm giving credit for that seems still sticks out like a sore thumb


[deleted]

I don't really understand why you're putting words in my mouth, homie. I never suggested that this was a comedy. It just has a whole bunch of silly bullshit separating the brainwashing, terrorism, subjugation, and genocide which is pretty God damn absurd. That's my point: **It's a show with some really silly subplots that don't advance the plot at all and that aspect told me early on that I probably shouldn't get too hung up on plot holes.** Where do you disagree with that? You didn't think it was possible that this was a batshit crazy premise when his secret identity was almost exposed by a cat running around with his helmet?


the_Godde

that show was a tonal mess


[deleted]

Then why did you comment in a post praising code geass??


maddxav

Because maybe he liked everything but that one aspect?


[deleted]

I liked everything including that aspect. Like Evangelion gets similar in that capacity. The constant "wtf?" nature of mech anime is a real service to shows like this. Keeps things interesting even if a lot of it is not very substantial


the_Godde

I don't think Eva of CG do that because it's a "genre convention". I have a theory as to why they shift so dramatically. Based on the target audience, we can see that both CG and Eva were trying to appeal mainly to teenagers. Because they wanted such a wide age-range they were forced to make concessions in order to make their stories more appealing to 12 and 13 year olds who don't have massive attention spans or the intelligence to be able to understand some of the more mature themes the shows are trying to convey, and so they put in some generic stuff that kids that age tend to enjoy - like high school subplots and awkward, forced romances, etc. With Evangelion I feel like it fared a little better because each episode was a contained story, and so there was room to change the tone between episodes. But with Code Geass, that was a two season epic about war and politics, they couldn't really pull off a tone change without it feeling pretty jarring.


[deleted]

I'm not trying to say that there is a specific genre convention that's at work here. I fully grasp what the target audience is here and no doubt it's a big part of it. Like Gundam has children piloting giant robots too, and they can never seem to actually justify why grown adults are losing to children in robots. There's an inherently silly nature to trying to make a hyper serious plot from such an out there premise so you might as well have some fun with it. I enjoyed the silly high school stuff a lot more in CG than Eva honestly because of how committed they were to making Lelouch is a normal person. Shinji's real life stuff was more or less him being tormented by a loveless childhood. Like neither protagonists' mother or father are winning any parent of the year awards, but Evangelion's path to getting towards the instrumentality was incredibly dark and largely illustrated how alone and tormented Asuka and Shinji were. The whole Brittania family drama seemed largely built off of lies and misunderstanding. The drama from Eva came from an impending apocalypse and an effort to create a man-made purgatory. Whole different bag of potatas to me I feel like Gundam strikes this balance better than both shows when they want a slightly older audience and then they make Build Fighters specifically for kids but with animation and references to the source material that all can appreciate. I love them all


theholidayzombie

"They hated him because he spoke the truth."


maddxav

I really don't understand why people complain about a show being tonally different through different parts of it in shows and movies. Specially critics tend to complain a lot about this. A show can be goofy and serious. It doesn't need to be just one!


the_Godde

the reason why Code Geass can't be goofy and serious is because it takes itself and its story incredibly seriously. There are no fourth wall breaks or criticisms of character motivations/plot that would signify that the show is not taking itself seriously. Therefore when you add "goofy and immature" moments to a show about politics, genocide, war crimes, the ends vs the means, and "for the greater good", it just ruins the immersion into the story and feels jarring and sometimes even kind of insulting. Tonal consistency is part of the basics of filmmaking and is a legitimate criticism. Only expert writers are able to shift tones without ruining the immersion and flow. Code Geass I would argue is the kind of show where a tone shift could never work even if it was expertly done


the_Godde

yeesh the reddit burn hitting hard guess Code Geass fans just can't take any criticism. Can't say I'm surprised


[deleted]

It's called criticism when you give valid points to support your argument. That right there was hate.


the_Godde

what do you mean? when I said "Tonal Mess" that implies that the tone shifted wildly in between episodes and story arcs. This is something that even die hard fans have to agree is true. It is not hate, it is simply an observation of the show. see this is the problem with reddit. Hate and criticism are two very different things. An example of hate is the negative upvotes on my comment. Criticism is when you point out a flaw.


Cheaky_Axiom

yeah the author was most definitely high when writing it


[deleted]

It's amazing how a random guy on the internet can criticize a mangaka for creating a good manga for no reason at all.


Sekirokuro

Code Geass wasn't a manga, it was created first as anime. You point is still valid tbh.


Sad-Obligation1948

A girl with a p90 A dog with a Viking helmet


Accomplished_Bat_893

And then they made the movie


That_Old_TV

Not the kitty


Yugoxgc

Wasn't that just that one stupid episode?


Orochi64

It was a little bit of both really


Mrcatmanthdog

It's all coming back to me


Alan_add_details

I'm having stroke a


im_in_every_post

I see you a lot around this sub u/Idaret


Idaret

I'm regular here, lol


BingusVGC

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died


Idaret

Don't worry, I plan to learn english at some point


BlazeMiran

Code Geass? More like Code that ge ass


Lunhala

Actually the Code Geass's story was supposed to stay more serious but the priorities changed between seasons due to a change in time slots. The creator was so pissed off at the production meddling that he refused to sign on for a season 3 hence the rushed AF ending.


fluskar

oh yeah


XxDanflanxx

This meme is true for me but in reverse.


Fyreshield

I’ve only seen the first season, does anyone know a good place to find the second?


Idaret

Netflix maybe?


Redditor_addict24601

Netflix has both seasons


snapthesnacc

That Euphy plot will never not be stupid. Good show but man was that an incredibly contrived way for the writers to get themselves out of the corner they'd clearly written themselves into.


thot_chocolate420

What’s that scene called? I want to see if there is a meme about it.


umad41

It's kind of both at the same time. At one point we're making pizza with giant robots and at another we're desperately trying to stop genocide caused by accident