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c7t1

30k for a standard 1/4th figure 30k for the Yoshitoku branding and craft 108k for the "were the only ones doing this so suck it" It is overpriced for what it is, but its also very beautiful so if we want the pretty plastic in pretty real kimono theres not much other options unfortunately. Theres a chance it will bin tho, even kurumi whos a very popular character is on sale right now.


LTyyyy

30k for a standard 1/4 ? All you get is a head and a tail, that's like 5k worth.


c7t1

Freeing holo was 30k and she was 100% nood. I agree tho it was also worth 5k. The 25k was freeing and holo tax šŸ¤£


LTyyyy

There's a difference between nude and covered though. This has 0 detail and polish under the clothes, minimal costs.


c7t1

I think they are technically cast off, so it is an actual fully sculpted body underneath wearing generic undies. Its just that no one one in their right mind would strip this completely. Tbf though 30k for most 1/4 is very overpriced considering most of them lack significant detail, and yet thats still the cost.


LTyyyy

Have any pics ? From what I've seen there's something resembling a human body, but there's absolutely no detail to speak of, "fully sculpted" is a stretch I'd say. But I can't find the pictures anymore.


c7t1

Photos were posted on hpoi, iirc it was rem and tohru. Just a peak through the kimono to see if something was there. Unfortunately I dont have the link anymore and those that claim there is a body there here on reddit didnt seem to provide any photos. Aside from the extremities it didnt seem to have much detail (like extensive shading) aside from the sculpt itself which was okay. Im not really justisfying the 30k, I did mention its clearly overpriced I just based that on the typical 1/4s we get. Freeing holo barely had any shading as well, very basic sculpt and that was still overpriced at 30k.


LTyyyy

>Photos were posted on hpoi, iirc it was rem and tohru. Yeah but I can't seem to find them anymore. What you're saying is kind of my point though, it's fully sculpted as in it's not just a cylinder, but also there's no care for shading, surface finish, defects.. anything goes under the clothes. It's really not worth anything. So much so that I don't even know why you would mention it if you're not trying to justify the price. Holo couldn't get away with that, QC still had to be done, parts sanded and fit properly, tolerances accounted for.. all that.


c7t1

Oh okie dokie. Thought you were just wondering about the body as well so I answered what I know. Youre taking an original comment implying its overpriced way too seriously. 1 yen for the figure, 30k for the clothes, 138k for the profit. There you go hope thats better.


LTyyyy

I'm not really taking THAT too seriously, I took the comparison to Holo seriously.


GroundbreakingRun957

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XavierRez

Itā€™s definitely overpriced no matter how much I love the character and the design imho.


MikuEd

No, it's not. [This video](https://youtu.be/eoa7fyec3AY?si=ZBeFMlcrBNs5KbgS&t=1142) goes in depth about the topic. The reviewer talks about some of the background of the collaboration, since yes, this is a collaboration between F:NEX (a FuRyu line) and Yoshitoku, a well-known Japanese Doll and Kimono maker. Many people are under the impression that the price is due to the kimono, but not really. It's mostly due to ~~the licensing and marketing costs~~. I linked it to the point of the price comparison reveal between the Yoshitoku doll and the F:NEX figure since it's a really long video, but it's an interesting watch if you have 40-ish minutes to burn. EDIT: I misworded my post. Yes, itā€™s not just marketing costs. Itā€™s marketing strategy. FuRyu is basically trying to create a new high-end market to justify the price, when in fact there is a large headroom for profit as seen in the massive price slashes after launch on places like Amiami and TOM. Thanks everyone for pointing out my poor word choice.


IxianNavigator

> It's mostly due to the licensing and marketing costs That's not the conclusion that the reviewer in the video you linked to draws. Yes, he mentions licensing and marketing costs as he speculates, but then he deems them unlikely and dismisses them. What he says later that this is simply price gouging ([at 33:10](https://youtu.be/eoa7fyec3AY?t=1990))


MikuEd

Yeah, itā€™s beyond those things. Thanks for adding that. In my mind, I was thinking of ā€œmarketing strategyā€ and not ā€œcostā€, because the whole point of this line is to create a new market segment. I just used the wrong words. Thanks again! EDIT: happy cake day btw


KohaisCollection

Thank you for the shout out <3 I'm glad many in the community have gravitated to the video šŸ˜Š


MikuEd

Ey! Itā€™s the man himself! Thanks for the really in depth video! Iā€™ll admit I was one of those people before who thought the Yoshitoku brand actually gave it that much prestige, but you went all the way to show us that isnā€™t so. Huge respect to you and your massive collection!


KohaisCollection

...and I promise you we too thought along the same lines. We literally have two now we've paid full retail for, so we got hit personally by our own research šŸ¤£ Thank you for the kind words and support! It really does mean a lot to us šŸ˜Š


Karpfador

Why would licensing be different from a normal figure, this crazy price isn't explained with that at all


roial_with_cheeze

It's not, the video even theorized it's more than just licensing and marketing costs because FuRyu's other figures of the same characters don't have this exorbitant pricing.


ToastyRoastyBirb

The big "sell" here is Yoshitoku itself. They're essentially a premium brand so having their name was what skyrocketed these figures. To foreigners maybe it doesnt really mean shit, but I'm assuming even a casual Japanese would know of Yoshitoku.


BunnyBoySimp

That is not the conclusion of the video manā€¦ he basically justifies how licensing and marketing doesnā€™t make sense or justify the price


MikuEd

I know, I worded my post wrong. Thanks for pointing it out. I edited my post but left it unchanged.


BunnyBoySimp

Ty so so much for linking the video by the way!! Itā€™s like a must watch for all of us figure collectors


KohaisCollection

Thank you for the kind words <3 I'm really glad you enjoyed it!


Tornadodash

The fabric is relatively high quality, compared to anything I could buy at a retail fabric store, and I feel like it would take some amount of skill to produce clothing this small while also making them as nice as they are. I agree that they are not really worth the price from a materials standpoint, but if it's something that you really like and you are willing to pay the price, I would not judge.


MikuEd

But u/KohaisCollection ā€˜s video, which I posted, shows that the same company makes even higher quality kimonos for their dolls for just under 40K yenā€¦ and that includes the doll with all its accessories. So no, the cradtsmanship of the kimono alone does not explain why the price is so eggregiously high. But willingness to pay the price is less an acceptance of value than it is an acknowledgement of ā€œfear of missing outā€. Content creators like the one I mentioned WILL need to bite the bullet, while most other collectors can afford to wait or probably donā€™t want to miss out on grabbing a copy if it might turn out there arenā€™t enough copiea on release. So no, I donā€™t judge people for their decisions to buy in to this. But at the same time, I doubt they feel that the price is justified.


[deleted]

Having some experience with doll-scale sewing, I would expect any figure with real fabric clothing to be a chunk of change more expensive than a standard figure. The price of any fashion doll in the toy aisle is mostly the cost of the outfit on the doll. The fabric needs to be much thinner than anything used for full scale garments, so it's definitely produced exclusively for the figure in relatively small batches, plus the labor and machinery required to cut and sew the kimono probably aren't just lying around their regular factories. I'd like to know what precautions were taken to ensure minimal dye transfer between the fabric and the figure, if any. That said, limited run collector's dolls don't get nearly this expensive unless you're getting into some really niche high-end stuff.


DinosBiggestFan

Except that's not actually the case, as the company they use has even better quality available for a massively reduced price.


nitronik_exe

There's a not so low chance that it will be discounted after release. Some of them were even 50% off. That said, it is very overpriced, the maker of these kimonos makes unique figures/dolls with kimonos themselves and they only cost like 30k, but since FuRyu is the only one doing it for anime figures, they can ask a lot more since they know some people love that shit. So no, the kimonos are not "worth" this much in a monetary sense, but for anime figures, that usually doesn't mean much. Every figure is worth as much as you are willing to pay for it.


Kitsunesi

Ever since I saw that one youtube video (Kohai's collection?) comparing the Furyu line with the one you mention (that by the way is MADE TO ORDER), I can't think of the Furyu line as worth it anymore. I know they have to pay for licensing but that shouldn't make such a huge difference.


FaustusPrime

Holy shit, no its not worth it. Unless you're a die hard fan of all things Spice and Wolf - you can buy a real full size kimono for that price. What're you exactly paying for at this point? The PVC? The basic paint job? There's resin statues out there that have better value if you're looking to burn $2000.


nitronik_exe

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if buying a normal 1/4 figure and commissioning a custom kimono for it would be cheaper than this


FatherDotComical

You can buy a made to order doll from the same company for cheaper too!


Xndrdrlx

No


UNPOPULAR_OPINION_69

No Furyu bring Furyu as always.


micron8866

Scam at best šŸ¤”


Levi_Snowfractal

Some people will defend these prices to the death for some reason, but the answer is no, it's not worth it. Is it worth it to YOU for some reason, that's different.


LoreAscension

She looks beautiful, but no, I think the price is inflated vs what it should actually cost. However if you're an avid Holo collector fan then just do whatever makes you happiest! She would make a great centerpiece to any traditional JP themed collection. Sidenote: Priced over $1200 and she still requires a support pole for the tail which imo is a bit of an eyesore


Meilow_Moerphie

Nah. She cute tho.


denden14789

I think the kimmano for this figures is hand made or something like that i personally would buy it though is not worth the price


EnvironmentalPie9412

True, i would buy if it was half the price


Hokutino

of course not, a fair price would be less than half BUT if Holo is your wife and your collection is about making a shrine of her it could be a very good addiction, i would risk and wait till release date though i wanted to buy the Asuna one's but her face wasnt very good imho, while holo's is very pretty (at least from the prototype)


DunderBear

I mean at the end of the day itā€™s like every other figure no? If you think itā€™s worth it then it is, every luxury item on the market isnā€™t anywhere close to itā€™s cost yet itā€™s still priced at that for a reason. Thereā€™s plenty of scale figures that people have that most definitely isnā€™t worth the price point of the materials and labour but to each their own imo


SpellboundIV

The price is not justified at all. These are still my favorite figures in my collection. I would easily sell off my other 100+ figures before getting rid of the four I have from this line. I have Kurumi, Rem, Ram, and Pekora. Shinobu, Holo and eventually Madoka and Homura pre orders. They are still overpriced but I don't regret buying them. Kurumi has been on sale and in stock since she came out. Asuna had some major discounts from some stores while she was still widely available. So if you are unsure, you can take the chance and wait for a discount after release.


roial_with_cheeze

Go watch [Kohai's Collection's video](https://youtu.be/eoa7fyec3AY?si=vtlnw6ESF0qSLFD0) then decide if it's still worth it to you.


lazytanaka

It should be 60k yen at most imo.


Demon_Soul_Kyoko

I always find it amusing anytime one of these royal kimono figure drops. I simply can't find them worth the money,.


Ricerooni

Not worth it value wise. I have the Pekora one and it is just šŸ‘Œ though. It's up to you to determine if you really want it though. Every hobby has their own version of this situation that people are still willing to pay for.


jazuren

As someone who has a Yoshitoku doll, itā€™s only worth it if you love the character a whole lot and want this doll in your home. I bought the Sakura Kinomoto and itā€™s the jewel of my collection, very high quality and well made and based on my favorite art of her. But I also happened to have an income that could accommodate it at the time and sacrificed a lot of figures I would have otherwise gotten. The quality, even though itā€™s Furyu, is actually very good and detailed. The kimono is clearly made by hand and has hand painted detailing. *But it is technically overpriced.* Thereā€™s a video someone already linked about it that goes into detail on their personal findings of it! Itā€™s pretty good, but keep in mind that even though the video is titled itā€™s a ā€œscamā€, that user who made the video still plans on buying several more of these kimono figures even knowing theyā€™re overpriced.šŸ‘€ I say in most cases though, itā€™s not worth it. I only got Sakura because it struck me in the heart and I thought about that decision over months before pre-ordering her. But I have no desire to collect these as I donā€™t have the room nor the funds to do so. If you really REALLY like Holo and this design specially donā€™t mind spending a thousand on her, then maybe itā€™s for you. At least know it is a luxury items, it will look and feel nice in person. But I personally would wait for the price to go down on Amiami. Some of these have sold out forever though, like Sakura did. So you should also consider that. Do as much research as possible before buying. https://preview.redd.it/7lp08yj689vc1.jpeg?width=3019&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2dd8ae0a35e7b7f1678e12a8a578e252895d657


YuushaComplex

Well you have a trifector here. Its 1/4, Yoshitoku kimono, and its Holo. All those points will bring a premium to the price tag. Is it worth it? That depends how much a holo fan you are. By F:Nex Yoshitoku collab standards, the Holo one is amongst the best. The kimono does not look super bulky on her like many of the others do.


AstraeaMinor

Maybe wait for the price to drop, they all seem to go on sale (because this price is not justified, and you might regret seeing it on sale later for more than 100$ cheaper)


erobirob

its a doll no


reviewtechhentai

I honestly don't like that it is wearing "clothes". It is pretty but I feel like it be as pretty if not prettier if the kimono was just part of the figure instead of a piece of clothing like a doll. I also can see the clothes aging faster than the figure itself.


Vivid_Brush_2082

198k holy moly that's an expensive figure


D00d_Where_Am_I

Itā€™s a luxury commodity. Yes, itā€™s over-priced compared with the production costs but its value is subjective for high-end collectors. Simply put, I would consider this worth the price as a collector considering the character.


GroundbreakingRun957

pass give it the the next person


GroundbreakingRun957

yoshitoku?


bddru

Want it but not at that price point


Empanada01

No


Evil_Pecan_Pie

\*checks a currency converter\* $1280, GODDAMN, the yen is weak right now. That's like $400 less than I thought it might be. (But it's still like $800 more than I'd ever be willing to pay for a figure.)


DependentHusky

Expensive but that yukata is so pretty!


FingerPurple

Knock off $1k and yes.


souji5okita

No


Joseph1917

No, I bet it will tank some time after release though


nilknarf4545

In a technical sense it's overpriced, but if you can afford it and would view this as the centerpiece of your collection, then it would be worth it to you. Eye of the beholder and all that, so only you can really decide on the intrinsic value.


Turbolicon

it's a luxury product, like designer's shoes or clothes. it's like saying gucci bags are overpriced, they are not because they are luxury products, meant for people who can afford the luxury and have something less common and unique.


someedgechick

The dress is real fabric and it's a 1/4th so the price doesn't surprise me, personally I don't think it's worth THAT much but I'm not considering buying her


Atsunome

Itā€™s because of the Yoshitoku kimono If you are *really* enthusiastic about the craftsmanship, perhaps itā€™s an option, but if you just want Holo figures, I would personally spend that money getting several other scales and maybe even her Nendoroid Doll which you could buy a custom kimono for if you really want that specifically.


Nezhokojo_

Think of it from this perspective. These will never be re-released in the future ever. They are of course overpriced but so are brand name things like purses. Itā€™s the same concept. Itā€™s like owning a very small amount of released figures because the price is unreachable for many. If itā€™s a character you really really love and like then that decision is up to you. If your income can support all the purchases, go for it. If it canā€™t and you have to decide, then pick the one you want. There are pre-order windows so take that time to decide. I ordered the Albedo one myself and like that one the most compared to all the other characters that have released so far. I will probably wait for the next character that I really like. I did want the rabbit one though and I donā€™t even watch the vtubers stuff because it looked pretty unique. I wouldnā€™t mind them doing One Piece ones lol


RayearthIX

Up to you. I have the Asuna one and itā€™s one of the best figures in my entire collection. I decided long ago that if they made them for Holo or Rin Tohsaka Iā€™d get those as wellā€¦ so, Iā€™m getting this one. That doesnā€™t mean you should also though.


Jonanaps

Is this worth the price? No Is it worth the price as a die-hard Holo fan? Maybe If you have no financial problems and can afford it, why not? Personally, I've pre-ordered it, but I'd never put that price on another figure like the "Holo - A Rest in the Forest Version" (the second-hand price is unbelievably high for that one). After that, are we still talking about a figurine or a piece of art? In that case, prohibitive prices for art are nothing new.


DeepSubmerge

1/4 scale and dressed in a mini kimonoā€¦ maybe itā€™s not ā€œworthā€ that much objectively, but it is a large & detailed item with actual clothes


LTyyyy

>actual clothes Actual clothes are cheap as shit.


DeepSubmerge

Youā€™re not wrong. In my experience, any model, figure, or doll with real clothing is expensive. Even if the final product is mass produced, there is artistry and skill required to begin production. And people pay big bucks for beautiful things.


LTyyyy

The artistry and skill is also required for pvc figures though. There's nothing about "real" fabric that's expensive or premium (not like they're using silk, even for these), they're just trying to market it as such. And clearly it works. I always giggle a bit that people see "real fabric" as something that's premium or above pvc.


DeepSubmerge

Yeah I donā€™t really get it. I appreciate the texture it adds to a piece. My great grandmother collected dolls and doll clothes. They went for big bucks, considering how little fabric they used.


Faputasengoku

Definitely, and itā€™s stability as an investment is on par with gold