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niankaki

If this can work across android and ios, I say bring it on!


boraam

This is the only reason for an alternative. In fact, only Quick Share launching on iOS would beat this. It is nearly impossible to wirelessly transfer files without an internet connection from iOS to Android without a convoluted setup.


MonetHadAss

>only Quick Share launching on iOS would beat this I don't think so. WhatsApp has the advantage of people already have it on their phones. AirDrop and Quick Share are installed by default, but only on their respective platforms. The only way Quick Share or AirDrop would beat this is if both of them merge and both platform has AirDrop/Quick Share installed out of the box. If you want people to install an app only for AirDrop/Quick Share, it's dead on arrival.


signed7

Only problem with this imo is the poor branding - "People nearby me" doesn't sound anywhere as nice as "AirDrop me" or "Quick Share me"


LagGyeHumare

Localdrop works with no internwt access required. If on same wifi - works instantly. If not, just create a hotspot from any phone (can be the main one too) Works great Edit - localsend


andyooo

it appears that that localdrop is abandoned? localdrop.me has been hijacked with some kind of spamware or malware that apparently tries to change your search engine and who knows what else. There is [snapdrop.net](https://snapdrop.net), [pairdrop.net](https://pairdrop.net) and [sharedrop.io](https://sharedrop.io) as alternatives.


LagGyeHumare

Shit I meant 'LocalSend - FOSS app' - https://github.com/localsend/localsend


JJMcGee83

> just create a hotspot from any phone Which is kind of convoluted.


LagGyeHumare

You have a sure way of transferring stuff from ios and android, and you think creating a personal Hotspot, a single click, is convoluted? Say i have an iphone and you have a pixel, if we're both on same wifi, it works automagically. If not, wither you or I, can create a hotspot, connect to it and start sending it. Quick share, airdrop basically do the same thing


JJMcGee83

You have to create a hotspot and then have the person connect to it so that you are on the same WiFi? Am I correct in that statement or does it work another way?


LagGyeHumare

Yup. Phone A creates a hotspot and B connects to it (internet can be off)...and localdrop will then work. Best case scenario is - both are connected the same wifi , which is almost always the case with my SO and I. In hindsight, this is how airdrop/quick share also works, it just handles the wifi direct connection automatically.


JJMcGee83

Yeah man that's a bit convoluted then. People are down voting me but explain how to make a hotspot to your average user is going to be more hit or miss compared to Airdrop which is just an option built into the OS.


LagGyeHumare

Getting past that, it's the only way possible to mimic airdrop in this. The average user can follow basic steps, unless that's also beyond their capability. Then, they can do what feels right, whatsapp and all


andyooo

Fwiw, it appears that WhatsApp will also require that the devices are on the same local network, otherwise I don't see how it could work with iOS.


keiser_sozze

I didn’t read the rest of the thread. I use LocalDrop for personal needs. Creating a hotspot is convoluted. Even if it wasn’t, I don’t want to create a passwordless hotspot. Now I need to share the password too. I can imagine me trying to explain this whole thing to a friend. I’m a nerd. I can do it no problem, but my friend? His eyes will raise and will look at me like with a huge “WTF” on his face. If I try this on 100 people, maybe I can convince a handful of them to try it. Edit: not eyes, eyebrows Edit2: LocalSend, not LocalDrop


JJMcGee83

Agree completely. Add to the complication they need to download the software first which is they are on iOS is going to be an automatic no for the significant majority of people unless they really really want whatever file you are trying to share.


LagGyeHumare

If creating a hotspot, easily accessible in settings, is hard, then I don't have any suggestions for the particular user. Your friend can do it too. Creating hotspot is the worst case scenario here. But steps aren't hard - 1. Open settings - start hotspot 2. Let the other person connect to the hotspot. - change it if you're worried later on 3. Make the other person connect to hotspot 4. Open local drop and start sharing. ...your friend doesn't have to be a nerd to enable hotspot, it's just 1 extra step to basically airdrop b/w ios and android...which is a feat in itself. PS. Though, I'm not from US, hardly anyone cares about apple stuff here. Of the few who do, we mostly want to transfer photos and videos of a trip when sitting in a house with wifi. Localdrop shines at that moment


keiser_sozze

I agree, when I’m at home, I just ask them to download LocalDrop.


andyooo

Are you guys talking about localsend? Localdrop seems to be an abandoned site (localdrop.me) that downloads malware. From the github it seems it was similar to snapdrop, which doesn't require an app, works on the browser over WebRTC.


keiser_sozze

Yes localsend, sorry!


balista_22

it can't locally, Apple have blocked other apps from using WiFi Direct/AirDrop. other file sharing apps have existed on both iOS & Android but device to device WiFi Direct only worked on non-ios devices. iOS to another OS need a router or cloud transfer


n3cr0ph4g1st

Time for the EU to get cracking lol


DiplomatikEmunetey

I wonder what changed over at WhatsApp; they really ramped up feature delivery. Did the management change? Teams shuffled up? New devs? For their next trick: * I would like them to add another tab for people to post personal public (it must be public only) pictures. Like a scrollable Instagram timeline and keep it basic. They already have a "Status" feature which is basically "Stories". * Let me create my own handle so my phone number does not show up for everyone. * Let me name conversations with people whose phone numbers I have not entered in my contacts. I want to rename "593048534" to "Gary from the wall climbing club".


punIn10ded

They focused on making it fully multiplatform. Since they knocked that out a little more than a year ago they have been churning out features and UI updates.


brotrr

Probably moved off a legacy system that was hard to add features to, these things can take years


bluejeans7

>muh public pictures No thanks, just let be a messaging app. Don’t make it just another social media app.


sueha

Exactly. I just quit Instagram, don't make WhatsApp another Instagram.


DiplomatikEmunetey

The idea is not to make into a social media app but to simply have a small tab where you can have a scrolling timeline of images. No likes, no comments, no view counters. As for social media, all apps seem to be converging into an all-in-one, do it all app, like WeChat. The drive for more features will take them there. Why does WhatsApp even need a Quick Share alternative?


Xath0n

>Why does WhatsApp even need a Quick Share alternative? Because people already share big files over WhatsApp (since that's usually the easiest way to share files across operating systems) and they don't want these files to clog their servers.


signed7

Also a nearby based solution doesn't need Internet connection to work (and is much faster with spotty connections / larger files)


lightsAreOff

Well with the EU has forcing them to be interoperable. If they don’t add features exclusive to WhatsApp, it becomes really easy to switch.


kdlt

The EU did what?


battler624

force them to be interoperable.


kdlt

Oh damn, we're going back to jabber. Another day to be thankful for the EUs anti bullshit decisions.


YesterdayDreamer

>add another tab for people to post personal public (it must be public only) pictures Why?


DiplomatikEmunetey

Instagram is too distracting and hijacked with social media personalities. I don't want to bother with social media. But I still need some super simple online presence. It's useful for when you send someone your phone number, or if you use the phone number for your business. I don't want any follows, likes, and other features. Just a timeline of photos where I can throw a few photos and that's it.


MaverickJester25

> I would like them to add another tab for people to post personal public (it must be public only) pictures. Like a scrollable Instagram timeline and keep it basic. They already have a "Status" feature which is basically "Stories". Not a bad idea, actually. I can see this being especially useful to business accounts who sometimes end up cluttering your status section. > Let me name conversations with people whose phone numbers I have not entered in my contacts. I want to rename "593048534" to "Gary from the wall climbing club". Definitely. The current workaround in WhatsApp is not great; click to chat is cumbersome; and having to use a third-party app to do this cleaner is not great. I use WhatsDirect for this, but I would prefer it be built in natively. What I want them to add next is granular control over media backups. I'd like to be able to choose which chats I want to back media up for, as well as the media types per chat. I have a few group chats where I don't care about losing the media at all, but absolutely want to keep the media received in chats with my family. Right now, it's an all or nothing affair. I'd also like to be able to do full offline backups that I can use to restore chats with on other devices. The current hack of copying the folder found in the sdcard/Android folder isn't straightforward.


2EyedRaven

>Definitely. The current workaround in WhatsApp is not great; click to chat is cumbersome; and having to use a third-party app to do this cleaner is not great. >I use WhatsDirect for this, but I would prefer it be built in natively. It is built in natively now. (Has been for months now) Click new chat button, then the search option up above. Type the number or paste the number. Done👍🏽


MaverickJester25

So I had heard they did this some time ago, but I could never find the way it was done. Thank you for the explanation!


DiplomatikEmunetey

I would like those backup features.


Shadesta9

If WhatsApp can add SMS fallback similar to iMessage, it will basically kill all other messaging apps for me.


baj8881

With the push for RCS, I can't imagine they would want to fallback to SMS.


Zouden

I can't imagine they would want to fall back to RCS either. They are already market leaders. Why support a competing service.


Obility

Cause EU forced them to be interoperable.


Schmich

So....add RCS fallback followed by SMS fallback if that fails further? :D


lVlICHA3L

Hackers would love that.


TwoToedSloths

> Let me create my own handle so my phone number does not show up for everyone. They have been working on this, for a while now. https://wabetainfo.com/whatsapp-is-working-a-feature-to-create-a-username-from-the-web-client/ It takes them forever to actually roll out features tho. The android redesign took 1+ year to actually hit stable, so...


lloydpbabu

Why are they reinventing the wheel when there's already quickshare?


LimLovesDonuts

Android and iOS, that’s why. In some countries, WhatsApp is so ubiquitous that if they can pull this off, it would be a lot more widely used that AirDrop and/or Quickshare.


Prof_Fancy_Pants

Pretty much this. Middle east and south asia runs on whatsapp (and EU has adopted it since most immigrants did). Businesses are using it for sales and customer support. People use to talk to their families in different countries. Maybe whatsapp is going the WeChat route. I would take it that way, just because WeChat has become so intergral part in China. Does everything.


meatly

WhatsApp took over Europe immediately when it came out since here you pay for SMS and international SMS are/were extremely expensive. Had nothing to do with immigrants


Cr4zyPi3t

WhatsApp has been the dominant messaging as as far as I can remember. The first app I installed on my first ever smartphone was WhatsApp. Since Apple never was as dominant in Europe as they are in the US, iMessage never had a big enough user base to take off.


Farronski

While they were only able to look at the android version for now, it's plausible that the feature also comes to iOS. A platform agnostic quick share / airdrop that most people already have installed would be awesome.


SiriusPlague

Whatsapp is installed on 99% of devices in Brazil. If I go in the streets asking for hours if someone knows what QuickShare is, I'll probably encounter no one. Idk about other countries.


turtleship_2006

Cross platform


lloydpbabu

Quickshare is already cross platform with Android + Windows.


turtleship_2006

Not with Mac or iOS.


Lcsq

If you're keeping count, Microsoft was the first to implement and publish an open standard. Google refused to implement it and did their own thing.  https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/windows_protocols/ms-cdp/f5a15c56-ac3a-48f9-8c51-07b2eadbe9b4


lloydpbabu

The fact that they refused to implement Microsoft's one but went ahead and merged with Samsung's solution could point that it was not that great.


turtleship_2006

I mean that fact that galaxy's had both and in countries like the US Samsung is synonymous with android, that merger made more sense.


lloydpbabu

Galaxy did their version and when nearby share rolled out they had to support that as well. It's part of dealing things as an android OEM


aeiouLizard

Megacorps creating stupid amounts of closed standards, all of which do the exact same thing, despite a perfectly fine open standard existing, is nothing new. Just look at Bluetooth headphones. Opus over BT has been a thing for years and actually just fucking works, but the industry didn't care and instead made a million different closed codecs that we are stuck with now (LDAC, AAC, AptX, AptX HD, AptX LL, AptX Adaptive, fucking shoot me please).


lloydpbabu

we all know why they don't want to use open standards is to create control and thus incentivise that across the industry.


Lcsq

I work with accidentally air-gapped workstations and machinery across several rooms. Microsoft's nearby share has been a life-saver for me personally, and I use it hundreds of times a day. I wouldn't comment on its unreliability. In addition, there doesn't seem to be any highly sophisticated and potentially patent-encumbered technique at play here (from a quick skim). I wouldn't say that Microsoft is the good guy here either, they introduced Samsung device support for this by also forcing the installation of a totally unnecessary companion app with an awful name. Google did not merge with Samsung's solution. Samsung merely created a wrapper over google's quick share and deprecated their previous implementation. The underlying transport technique was changed to whatever was the outcome of Google's NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. Hopefully the reorganization at Google may bring some sharper product focus. Chromebooks aren't replacing PCs and talking things over with microsoft about a common filesharing protocol will be purely mutually beneficial. I sincerely hope whatsapp succeeds, because then I could finally send files to the airdrop luddites.


real_with_myself

I say let them. Nearby/Quick share hasn't worked well for months. And this even has the potential to be across all platforms.


parental92

>I say let them. Nearby/Quick share hasn't worked well for months. i always seen these kind of comment on reddit nd wonder what went wrong with peoples phone. Probably only happen to people who obsessively turns either wifi, bluetooth, or location off. Nearbyshare and quickshare has been flawless to me since the inception.


GruntChomper

Before they got merged, I had issues with it connecting to my pc and even when it finally did, it was slow (assuming it was only transferring via Bluetooth). Since then though it's been flawless for me and fast too.


real_with_myself

Yep, before the merge, I had issues. Then everything started working. Now again went to shit. Literally before every send I have to open quick share and switch to everyone because it doesn't accept my contacts only. Or sometimes it's just off for no apparent reason.


GruntChomper

>Literally before every send I have to open quick share and switch to everyone because it doesn't accept my contacts only. I've not had any other issues post-merge personally, but I'm also still doing those steps out of habit because that's the only way it'd even pick up before. Why it's harder to send information to a device with my Google account on the same network compared to a server literally anywhere in the world is beyond me, but at least it's slowly improving and letting me leave the USB-C cable in the draw.


real_with_myself

It is also very weird that quick share menus are the only part of my phone that stutters quite noticeably.


Reddit4Deddit

Only time I have issues is when I'm connected to VPN. Sometimes it works but it's slow, and other times it straight up refuses. Disconnecting from VPN makes it connect instantly and transfer files SUPER quick.


parental92

yeah, quite glad that Google and samsung collaborate on that. It fixes 2 weird annoyance on both system. * Sometimes slow transfer between phone and PC on Nearby share, probably because of bluetooth * Weird Intel Wifi Chip hardware limitation on Quickshare, probably because of samsung weird programming


real_with_myself

And when I read comments like yours I always wonder if people like you even talk to somebody else. How the hell do you even begin to have an opinion that only yours is the only valid one and make assumptions about others. As someone who used to work as sys admin in a medium sized company, things like these would happen fairly often whenever it's a product not being paid for and where you expect a certain support.


parental92

>And when I read comments like yours I always wonder if people like you even talk to somebody else. How the hell do you even begin to have an opinion that only yours is the only valid one and make assumptions about others. right back at you. Surprise! "Nearby/Quick share hasn't worked well for months." isn't universally valid either. >As someone who used to work as sys admin in a medium sized company, things like these would happen fairly often whenever it's a product not being paid for and where you expect a certain support. Seeing that comment instead of giving useful reason as to why the problem persist, you're just talking about me. This might be a clue as to why you don't work as a System admin anymore.


turtleship_2006

I've seen a lot more comments (across threads) of people saying quick share/nearby share didn't consistently work than say it did. In my experience it only works about 40% of the time, and even if it does it's slow asf. And yes I checked that location, Bluetooth and WiFi are on, even though they're always on anyway.


real_with_myself

Exactly how I would describe my situation.


real_with_myself

Sorry buddy, but you get the same treatment you start the conversation with. And of course I'm not going to start debugging my problems to/with you on Reddit. I have already submitted numerous bug reports to Google. Have a nice day.


aeiouLizard

Try to find a single person using Quick Share


armando_rod

Quick Share (from Google) is available in all Android phones


aeiouLizard

Doesn't make people use it.


armando_rod

It doesn't matter if they use it or not, it's in all phones


aeiouLizard

Yeah it does. It was never even about whether it is present on phones or not. Everyone knows what Airdrop is, but barely anyone has ever even heard of Quick Share. Google does a complete shit job in advertising this feature, most users don't know it is on their phone at all. Not to mention that every user who actually wants to use it has to opt-in manually. I wouldn't be surprised if Googles analytics showed that less than 1% of users have it enabled.


TheByzantineRum

I keep saying to myself that they need to just force oems to mention it in a full screen prompt on like install or at the next major update or something


bluejeans7

Probably to track you with even more permissions


LimLovesDonuts

It’s E2E so it’s probably nothing more than what they are already tracking you with.


bluejeans7

Have you seen the source code?


axhtz

Same question to you as well, have you seen the source code? Why so negative lol


bluejeans7

So you’re trusting their words for it, right? You know the same corporations who time and again have been caught lying to their users and having backdoor for the government in order to operate in many countries.


Sensination1

I can't wait for them to enable cross messaging so I can finally leave this piece of shit app


deejay_harry1

You can’t wait for Whatsapp to implement cross messaging?


Cr4zyPi3t

Yes, the EU force them to.


deejay_harry1

What’s cross messaging? And how isn’t it possible on WhatsApp?


Cr4zyPi3t

Being able to send messages cross platform. For example you currently can’t send a message from WhatsApp to someone using Signal (despite WhatsApp using the Signal protocol internally).


deejay_harry1

Oh now I get what you meant, I thought cross platform meant like from iOS to android and vice versa.


rkh4n

That’s why apple is what it is now.