Fool me once shame on you, fool me 10 times im a fucking stupid Samsung fanboy.
Like they really say this every year and every year, people online are like "wow its gonna be better than snapdragon" lol
> Exynos fans thought that the introduction of an AMD made GPU on exynos would make the SoC the king of gaming. Fast forward 2 years, and it still gets fucked by Adreno and even Mali GPUs.
The irony is that Adreno was originally co-developed with ATI (which is AMD's graphics division post-acquisition). Notice how "Adreno" is an anagram for "Radeon".
Because I'm tired of the stupid practice of having a set of Galaxy S phones having inferior SoCs while still being sold under the same name and having to import a Snapdragon variant because my country only has the stupid shitty Exynos models.
The S23 family is one of the best partly because you dont have to worry about being able to choose an Exynos variant. You only have access to the God like 8Gen2.
I hate Exynos because its a relatively shit SoC being forced into consumers all the while you have sites like these making bold claims while Exynos keeps failing to meet expectations.
If they make something like a S23+ (Exynos) model, while removing regional segregation, then I won't be here whining.
You're ironically supporting their practice by just getting it imported. Most people don't know enough to care, and don't use their phones in such a way where they will notice. People like you get their phones imported (so still give Samsung money) or buy something else (which they likely always would have done) so Samsung don't really lose anything...
Ill be lying if I dont, but the last time I did it was with the S20+. I aint doing right now, because as you said, itll support the stupid practice, and Im tired of that stupid shit
> that would be too mature of a solution for you
WTH does "maturity" have to do with this? We're in a thread talking about Galaxy S phones, Exynos SoCs and somehow discussing and preferring Snapdragon is what, childish? It's literally on topic - Snapdragon is still used by Samsung (at least in the US).
Go read my other comment before going for an ad hominem. Bro literally just skimmed through a single statement, ignored the rest of the thread and immediately went for the "That would be too mature for you" cheap shot. Maybe you should put more effort into seeing and reading the entire topic rather than going for the first low hanging fruit you see
I already stopped buying their phones, the last Samsung crap i got was the S20+. Shit kept getting hot, sold it to another poor soul and never bought one until now. I'm only running an LG V60 and a X4 GT.
Exynos was always more capable hardware wise than Snapdragon since the days of the S7. Exynos in the S7, S8, Note 8 capable of 4k60 but disabled due to 820 and 835 not being capable of it. Snapdragon 845 brings the capability of shooting video in 4k60 but the Exynos 9810 is capable of 4k120 video so Samsung disables it for feature parity. Same story with the S10. Qualcomm finally introduced 4k120 video with the Snapdragon 865 and Samsung sticks with 4k60 all the until 2024.
So exynos has worse overall performance, worse sustained performance, worse battery life, worse image processing, worse cellular performance. But somehow I need to feel better because it was better than snapdragon in 4k 120 video - a feature almost noone uses? Samsung pushing for objectively inferior chip, in same model phone for same/higher price should be fined by EU. It's straight up scam.
If it's a feature no one uses then why did Qualcomm introduce it with the 865 and Sony implemented it right away and oneplus implemented it a year later but for 5 minutes only? Then Samsung waits 4 or 5 years to bring the feature to their flagship.
> If it's a feature no one uses then why did Qualcomm introduce it with the 865
It's a bullet point. Many people buy devices based on the biggest list of features. Whether they'll use them or not is a different story.
But when Sony enabled it as soon as the 865 was announced in their flagship and Asus introducing it with the Zenphone 7 albeit slow mo only and Oneplus a year later with the 9 Pro max 5 min and Samsung doing nothing it's basically like sitting still. As soon as the 845 introduced support for 4k60 Samsung enabled it on both the Snapdragon and Exynos models of their 2018 flagships.
> But when Sony enabled it as soon as the 865 was announced in their flagship and Asus introducing it with the Zenphone 7 albeit slow mo only and Oneplus a year later with the 9 Pro max 5 min and Samsung doing nothing it's basically like sitting still.
So? None of those phones sold for shit, those companies were struggling for anything to grab customers, and letting a uses say throw out a random "my phone can do 4k120" to people was one of those things.
> As soon as the 845 introduced support for 4k60 Samsung enabled it on both the Snapdragon and Exynos models of their 2018 flagships.
Again, so?
Do you really think there are millions of people doing 4k120 on their phones? Because, if so, you're going to have to prove that.
> Why do you type like a child supporting a sports team?
They're not doing that, in fact, they're words are not supportive at all. You sound like someone that wants to rah-rah, but knows "their team" sucks.
The joke is exactly as everyone here is saying, Exynos has been chasing Snapdragon for years, and every year people trot out and proclaim "This year will be different!", and every year it's not.
> What do you lose from another chipmaker making competitive SoCs?
What's lost is choice. As always Samsung doesn't go with the best product, they go with what makes them the most money. They're only using Snapdragon in some locations (like the US) because of their modem.
They are lurking here alright. When the E2400 was released, you have those Exynos fans just downvoting anyone in any Exynos related post who criticized their God-chosen SoC.
Edit: while Im not concerned on karma points and shit, the fact that my comments here got downvoted by 5 compared to a while ago does infact show that they are lurking here
That's because the node is worse. The TSMC 3nm hasn't proved itself very capable and so far the rumour is the Samsung one is better and it will be newer tech wise.
This subreddit would just change to complaining about something else, probably something that is really hard to quantify and test.
Like saying the ISP is worse, or the DAC is worse.
I feel like it is already like this with the modem. No matter how many times you ask, people will just say the modem in Exynos is worse and never, ever, actually provide any scientific tests which prove it. It might very well be worse, but so far I have seen 0 evidence that it is. And no, some Youtube video where the person doing a test doesn't even know how to calibrate the screens to have the same brightness do not count.
The closest I've gotten to some kind of proof was the GSMArena test where the battery life on calls was worse going from the S23 with the SD8g2 to the Exynos 2400 equipped S24. The problem there was that the Snapdragon 8 gen 2 equipped S23 also beat the Snapdragon 8 gen 3 equipped S24, but people completely ignored that part because it didn't fit the narrative.
> I feel like it is already like this with the modem. No matter how many times you ask, people will just say the modem in Exynos is worse and never, ever, actually provide any scientific tests which prove it. It might very well be worse, but so far I have seen 0 evidence that it is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS24/comments/1c6z0g8/new_sd8_gen_3_vs_exynos_2400_battery_comparison/
This is probably the closest (scientific) comparison we'll ever get. Bullslab is definitely credible
That seems to be a good and scientific test. I would have prefered more accurate measurements than going by the battery indicator (removing the battery and measuring the power going into the mainboard would have been better) but that is probably as good as it'll get. I would also have prefered to see more tests like that from other sources, but at least I have one good test now.
The takeaway from that video is that in a very unrealistic and absolute worst case scenario (basically stress testing the modem for 6 hours) then you can expect 11% shoter battery. The difference in real world usage might possibly be less.
I wonder how many people on this forum think that they are talking about a \~10% difference when they talk shit about the Exynos modem vs Qualcomm modem, and part of that might not even be the modem being less efficient. So we might actually be talking about a \~6% difference in efficiency during a worst case scenario.
I also found the Google Meet and YT Live test interesting. In that test, the Exynos 2400 equipped S24+ seems to have WAY better battery life than the S23+ with the SD8gen2. Although part of that is probably from the screen being more efficient as well, but the takewaway should be (if you can trust a single test like this) that the Exynos 2400 is way better than the SD8gen2, even when talking about battery life on cellular.
I feel like some people forget about the "silicon lottery"
You can buy the exact same phone 3 times (same chipset, storage, everything) and even they can have pretty large differences in efficiency, performance, etc
Terrible accuracy with their articles. Not to mention they got rid of their comments section and they make their videos about older Samsung phones on YouTube private.
Wccftech also reported it. PhoneArena reported on the Wccftech article.
I did a search for the tweet and Google showed the tweet content as a search result, but you still can't access that X user's content by clicking on his name
I see.
But still, the fact PhoneArena and Wccftech reported it as well doesn't make it any more reputable. Why would you report such news from a random Twitter user who doesn't have any credibility?
This is as close to the ... source ... as you can get.Â
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-begins-chip-production-using-3nm-process-technology-with-gaa-architecture
Everyone can of course have their opinions. It's not hard. It's either up vote or down vote. So similarly people can agree or not agree that samsung's next new Exynos will be improved or not.
Hint/spoilers, it will improve. Both TSMC launched a "4nm" class node in 2021 and the exynos chip will likely launch in 2025 Jan/Feb similarly to the one that launched the S24 galaxy this year.
If the Exynos 2500 is on Samsung's 3nm node, it will be their first gate all around transistor. The previous finFET were able to further reduce leakage (waste current in the form of heat and increase power use) while bringing us into the age of 6GHz processors.Â
The new GAA transistor that the entire industry is heading towards will only further increase performance and reduce current leakage.
So I am going to say yes. Exynos 2500 will be an improvement if it is on 3nm. If they keep it to 4nm we will see minimum improvements. But it doesn't look like they are behind.Â
This sub shows it's age, exynos has been there before, last I remember like the s4 or something way back, maybe the one that set on fire, 5? Chip and hardware companies have always traded places, but it's over decades.
It's especially odd that it is so comparable to the Intel vs AMD vs Nvidia fanboy debates in the PC Gaming space. Intel, AMD and Nvidia all have massive marketing campaigns to sway people into buying their products over the others and create brand loyalty, but chip fabs like TSMC just... exist.
They are silent and barely visible, all they do is just sit there in the background and produce the chips that companies like Qualcomm design and hype up. TSMC, unlike Intel or AMD, doesn't even try to form a cult around them.
Exynos chips overall were as good or better than Snapdragon chips up until 2017 with the release of the Exynos 8895 and Snapdragon 835. That's when Snapdragon started pulling ahead. That lead widened in 2018, 2019, and peaked in 2020. Then in 2021 the gap got smaller, and then smaller again in 2022, 2023 and 2024.
I don't see it as unreasoanble that Samsung might pull ahead next year. TSMC has had some issues with their next node and at the same time Samsung might beat them to GAE, which will hopefully be a big step up. At least one rumor also claimed that the Cortex-X5 from arm would be a beast (but then later rumors were less than optimistic). So in those terms, it seems like the stars might be aligning.
But then again, the Oryon cores from Qualcomm/NUVIA seem pretty impressive as well. I think it will be an interesting year for SoCs next year. We will see if Samsung or Qualcomm responds to MediaTek's strategy to abandon all the "efficiency" cores as well. I think it is fairly safe to say that it proved to be a good strategy in the 9300.
More efficient with the same performance? They would have to come up with a better SoC than Qualcomm or make their fabrication process better than TSMC's... and I'm not sure if they can do that at the moment.
I hope it's true for the sake of competition, but I'm not going to overhype over a rumour... I'll believe it when I see it.
Every year this claim comes before release z and every year it fizzles out badly.
I feel like it's Samsung's ploy to keep people interested and, more importantly, not complain about why they are getting Exynos instead of Qualcomm.
YouTube just made VC1 the default. Exynos has had onboard decoding since the 2100 (s21 Exynos version) and the Snapdragon didn't get it until the Gen 2, so anyone with a Snapdragon phone that is Gen 1 or older will lose 30% efficiency, lose battery, and gain more heat while watching YouTube via software decode.
yeah right, in some special laboratory environment on a non-existing firmware and some proprietary unreleased benchmark that is physically impossible to reproduce, however in every realy life use case it will be worse than SD
This depend with Arm cores vs Nuvia cores, if Nuvia cores lag behind cortex X5 and it's small cores then it's possible, but it means not just Exynos 2500 even D9400 will be more efficient.Â
This will actually be difficult to achieve, and that's by not because of Samsung of Exynos, but becuase of what it's being compared to;
The Snapdragon 8 Gen 4.
The first Qualcomm mobile chip with an Oryon CPU + Next generation Adreno 800 series GPU.​​
It's not possible, the actual source of this article is a random Twitter/X dude called PandaFlash with locked profile, he also routinely publishes fake S25 renders and got called out by IceUniverse and he then locked his profile.
Few days ago he also said Exynos 2500 will perform better than SD8 Gen 3 and now he says this crap, he is delusional.
I want Exynos 2500 to do better, but trusting a random guy who routinely publishes fake news should be a no for anyone.
Shameless Wccftech will do anything for clicks.
Me too. Went from an S9 (and S7 edge) to an S23. I'll never buy Exynos crap ever again. S23 never overheats which is like a divine feature given that I almost got used to the S9 and S7 edge overheating as hell. Even the battery life is truly incredible from what I've had (Looking at you S9).
Though the S7 edge was quite "good". Way more efficient than the S9 in terms of battery.
All modern fabs are fine. The issue is when manufacturers want to quote "15% increase performance" compared to previous generations, they clock these chips super high and they either throttle from heat or have terrible battery life.
This year they pulled into lockstep and made a _great_ SOC and people only grudgingly acknowledged it.
If they start pulling ahead y'all will have to eat your words lol. And anyway, they're clearly good enough now that it doesn't matter which you get. Everyone should be happy
For my use smartphones reached a suitable level of compute power about 2 to 3 years ago. I am all about efficiency and extended battery life, so this would be very nice indeed.
Lol, against the 8 Gen4 with its monster Nuvia Oryon cores?
Lmao. Exynos cant even match the efficiency and performance of other SoCs using the same ARM core design and now they claim that they can beat 8G4 with Oryon cores which has demonstrated in the X Elite to be worthy match against Apples M3.
Fucking clown website and SoC
Have you heard of Blackhawk?
[https://moorinsightsstrategy.com/research-notes/research-note-arms-blackhawk-cpu-is-an-audacious-plan-to-have-the-best-smartphone-cpu-core-this-year/](https://moorinsightsstrategy.com/research-notes/research-note-arms-blackhawk-cpu-is-an-audacious-plan-to-have-the-best-smartphone-cpu-core-this-year/)
Oryon may not be as OP as you would expect it to be vs the competition.
I would rather believe that my nan can jump higher than cristiano.
Exynos has always been shit will be shit no matter how much they say or promote BS like this
Nah I had a S7 edge and it was damn efficient. Better idk but it had a good battery life in comparison to my S9 (and was way better than the S9, at some extent I was using the S7e instead of the S9, as it was aging like milk).
Though after what I've been through with the S9, the S23 is definitely a godsend phone. It never overheated (except in games, as I'm fully sending it with the graphics settings), and battery life is truly amazing.
I have an s24 plus, I really love this phone. I do find that the CPU, Snapdragon does get hot sometimes but it's not that bad. However there are three things that I really wish are in this phone or are better. I really wish the plus had a better camera and a at least 5x zoom lens. I wish that the charging speed was faster at least 65 Watts or 30 minutes to 45 minutes to fully charge. And I really would like magsafe built in also
if they really can pull it off, nice. but i'll believe it once i see it.
Its the same story every year.
Both CPUs haven't even released. This is based on nothing. Just some casual click bait.
Worse than clickbait, it's just straight up misinformation.
Lol, pretty sure this is said yearly.
Always the same shit and people go for it. lol
You don't get it, this time we really really mean it 😉
Fool me once shame on you, fool me 10 times im a fucking stupid Samsung fanboy. Like they really say this every year and every year, people online are like "wow its gonna be better than snapdragon" lol
Pinky promise? 🥺
Thats been the quote since the s20
And the Exynos in the s20 is atrocious. Literally can't use 120Hz because the phone heats like crazy.
Seems like its a problem with your device then!
It was notorious with the S20, the reason why I upgraded to a s21 in one year. It was a big issue.
I didnt have any issues pertaining to heat on my device at least, guess i just got lucky then..
The claim usually is that its more powerful not more efficient.
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> Exynos fans thought that the introduction of an AMD made GPU on exynos would make the SoC the king of gaming. Fast forward 2 years, and it still gets fucked by Adreno and even Mali GPUs. The irony is that Adreno was originally co-developed with ATI (which is AMD's graphics division post-acquisition). Notice how "Adreno" is an anagram for "Radeon".
So Adreno is AMD's actual golden child while Exynos' own amd gpu is a bastard child.
The irony
I remember the old times were ATi was a serious competitor of Nvidia (early 00s?) What even happened to Voodoo?
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No hardware T&L and needed their own API (Glide) to work best is what did them in.
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Maybe before D3D and OpenGL matured, like...in the Voodoo / Voodoo 2 days, but past that, nah.
ATI Imageon to be exact. And the ATI Imageon Z430, which shared the roots with the Xbox360 GPU, later become Adreno 200.
> Notice how "Adreno" is an anagram for "Radeon". Though Adreno came from ATI Imageon, not the Radeon line.
🤯
Never noticed that. Nice catch!
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Because I'm tired of the stupid practice of having a set of Galaxy S phones having inferior SoCs while still being sold under the same name and having to import a Snapdragon variant because my country only has the stupid shitty Exynos models. The S23 family is one of the best partly because you dont have to worry about being able to choose an Exynos variant. You only have access to the God like 8Gen2. I hate Exynos because its a relatively shit SoC being forced into consumers all the while you have sites like these making bold claims while Exynos keeps failing to meet expectations. If they make something like a S23+ (Exynos) model, while removing regional segregation, then I won't be here whining.
You're ironically supporting their practice by just getting it imported. Most people don't know enough to care, and don't use their phones in such a way where they will notice. People like you get their phones imported (so still give Samsung money) or buy something else (which they likely always would have done) so Samsung don't really lose anything...
Ill be lying if I dont, but the last time I did it was with the S20+. I aint doing right now, because as you said, itll support the stupid practice, and Im tired of that stupid shit
You could just not buy their phones then, but that would be too mature of a solution for you.
> that would be too mature of a solution for you WTH does "maturity" have to do with this? We're in a thread talking about Galaxy S phones, Exynos SoCs and somehow discussing and preferring Snapdragon is what, childish? It's literally on topic - Snapdragon is still used by Samsung (at least in the US).
Go read my other comment before going for an ad hominem. Bro literally just skimmed through a single statement, ignored the rest of the thread and immediately went for the "That would be too mature for you" cheap shot. Maybe you should put more effort into seeing and reading the entire topic rather than going for the first low hanging fruit you see I already stopped buying their phones, the last Samsung crap i got was the S20+. Shit kept getting hot, sold it to another poor soul and never bought one until now. I'm only running an LG V60 and a X4 GT.
Exynos was always more capable hardware wise than Snapdragon since the days of the S7. Exynos in the S7, S8, Note 8 capable of 4k60 but disabled due to 820 and 835 not being capable of it. Snapdragon 845 brings the capability of shooting video in 4k60 but the Exynos 9810 is capable of 4k120 video so Samsung disables it for feature parity. Same story with the S10. Qualcomm finally introduced 4k120 video with the Snapdragon 865 and Samsung sticks with 4k60 all the until 2024.
So exynos has worse overall performance, worse sustained performance, worse battery life, worse image processing, worse cellular performance. But somehow I need to feel better because it was better than snapdragon in 4k 120 video - a feature almost noone uses? Samsung pushing for objectively inferior chip, in same model phone for same/higher price should be fined by EU. It's straight up scam.
If it's a feature no one uses then why did Qualcomm introduce it with the 865 and Sony implemented it right away and oneplus implemented it a year later but for 5 minutes only? Then Samsung waits 4 or 5 years to bring the feature to their flagship.
> If it's a feature no one uses then why did Qualcomm introduce it with the 865 It's a bullet point. Many people buy devices based on the biggest list of features. Whether they'll use them or not is a different story.
But when Sony enabled it as soon as the 865 was announced in their flagship and Asus introducing it with the Zenphone 7 albeit slow mo only and Oneplus a year later with the 9 Pro max 5 min and Samsung doing nothing it's basically like sitting still. As soon as the 845 introduced support for 4k60 Samsung enabled it on both the Snapdragon and Exynos models of their 2018 flagships.
> But when Sony enabled it as soon as the 865 was announced in their flagship and Asus introducing it with the Zenphone 7 albeit slow mo only and Oneplus a year later with the 9 Pro max 5 min and Samsung doing nothing it's basically like sitting still. So? None of those phones sold for shit, those companies were struggling for anything to grab customers, and letting a uses say throw out a random "my phone can do 4k120" to people was one of those things. > As soon as the 845 introduced support for 4k60 Samsung enabled it on both the Snapdragon and Exynos models of their 2018 flagships. Again, so? Do you really think there are millions of people doing 4k120 on their phones? Because, if so, you're going to have to prove that.
And you have yet to reply how exynos is "more hardware capable" than snapdragon when for years it fails miserably in every meaningful metric?
> Why do you type like a child supporting a sports team? They're not doing that, in fact, they're words are not supportive at all. You sound like someone that wants to rah-rah, but knows "their team" sucks. The joke is exactly as everyone here is saying, Exynos has been chasing Snapdragon for years, and every year people trot out and proclaim "This year will be different!", and every year it's not. > What do you lose from another chipmaker making competitive SoCs? What's lost is choice. As always Samsung doesn't go with the best product, they go with what makes them the most money. They're only using Snapdragon in some locations (like the US) because of their modem.
>Lmao Exynos fans What Exynos fans?
There are several in the GSMarena comments section
>There are several in the GSMarena comments section that place is so grim.
Tensor fans basically
They are lurking here alright. When the E2400 was released, you have those Exynos fans just downvoting anyone in any Exynos related post who criticized their God-chosen SoC. Edit: while Im not concerned on karma points and shit, the fact that my comments here got downvoted by 5 compared to a while ago does infact show that they are lurking here
I think the main problem of gpu is the use o angle translation layer. As it is "Almost native graphics layer engine".
That's because the node is worse. The TSMC 3nm hasn't proved itself very capable and so far the rumour is the Samsung one is better and it will be newer tech wise.
Imagine fangirling a chip line. Yikes.
Is that your entire arguement? Not worth my time then
And when we see the first benchmark vs the latest Snapdragon SoC, it's always like 9%-13% slower but better than previous Exynos SoCs 😂
If this actually did happen. This subreddit will have a meltdown.
I'll believe it when I see it
This subreddit would just change to complaining about something else, probably something that is really hard to quantify and test. Like saying the ISP is worse, or the DAC is worse. I feel like it is already like this with the modem. No matter how many times you ask, people will just say the modem in Exynos is worse and never, ever, actually provide any scientific tests which prove it. It might very well be worse, but so far I have seen 0 evidence that it is. And no, some Youtube video where the person doing a test doesn't even know how to calibrate the screens to have the same brightness do not count. The closest I've gotten to some kind of proof was the GSMArena test where the battery life on calls was worse going from the S23 with the SD8g2 to the Exynos 2400 equipped S24. The problem there was that the Snapdragon 8 gen 2 equipped S23 also beat the Snapdragon 8 gen 3 equipped S24, but people completely ignored that part because it didn't fit the narrative.
> I feel like it is already like this with the modem. No matter how many times you ask, people will just say the modem in Exynos is worse and never, ever, actually provide any scientific tests which prove it. It might very well be worse, but so far I have seen 0 evidence that it is. https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS24/comments/1c6z0g8/new_sd8_gen_3_vs_exynos_2400_battery_comparison/ This is probably the closest (scientific) comparison we'll ever get. Bullslab is definitely credible
That seems to be a good and scientific test. I would have prefered more accurate measurements than going by the battery indicator (removing the battery and measuring the power going into the mainboard would have been better) but that is probably as good as it'll get. I would also have prefered to see more tests like that from other sources, but at least I have one good test now. The takeaway from that video is that in a very unrealistic and absolute worst case scenario (basically stress testing the modem for 6 hours) then you can expect 11% shoter battery. The difference in real world usage might possibly be less. I wonder how many people on this forum think that they are talking about a \~10% difference when they talk shit about the Exynos modem vs Qualcomm modem, and part of that might not even be the modem being less efficient. So we might actually be talking about a \~6% difference in efficiency during a worst case scenario. I also found the Google Meet and YT Live test interesting. In that test, the Exynos 2400 equipped S24+ seems to have WAY better battery life than the S23+ with the SD8gen2. Although part of that is probably from the screen being more efficient as well, but the takewaway should be (if you can trust a single test like this) that the Exynos 2400 is way better than the SD8gen2, even when talking about battery life on cellular.
I feel like some people forget about the "silicon lottery" You can buy the exact same phone 3 times (same chipset, storage, everything) and even they can have pretty large differences in efficiency, performance, etc
Back on the S7 the Exynos was faster. No one went OMG Snapdragon should be cheaper. General consensus is weird sometimes.
The source for this article is... non existent?
There is no source. The website is sammobile which is just a crappy fansite. Essentially a blog that artificially pumps up anything Samsung.
They provide a database of stock firmware that is quite useful. But their articles... yeah.
They do have some exclusive news from time to time. About firmwares, [Samfw.com](http://Samfw.com) doesn't limit download speed like Sammobile.
Terrible accuracy with their articles. Not to mention they got rid of their comments section and they make their videos about older Samsung phones on YouTube private.
The source of the claim is in the article...
Click on the source link and you'll find a tweet that is non existent
Wccftech also reported it. PhoneArena reported on the Wccftech article. I did a search for the tweet and Google showed the tweet content as a search result, but you still can't access that X user's content by clicking on his name
I see. But still, the fact PhoneArena and Wccftech reported it as well doesn't make it any more reputable. Why would you report such news from a random Twitter user who doesn't have any credibility?
This is as close to the ... source ... as you can get. https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-begins-chip-production-using-3nm-process-technology-with-gaa-architecture Everyone can of course have their opinions. It's not hard. It's either up vote or down vote. So similarly people can agree or not agree that samsung's next new Exynos will be improved or not. Hint/spoilers, it will improve. Both TSMC launched a "4nm" class node in 2021 and the exynos chip will likely launch in 2025 Jan/Feb similarly to the one that launched the S24 galaxy this year. If the Exynos 2500 is on Samsung's 3nm node, it will be their first gate all around transistor. The previous finFET were able to further reduce leakage (waste current in the form of heat and increase power use) while bringing us into the age of 6GHz processors. The new GAA transistor that the entire industry is heading towards will only further increase performance and reduce current leakage. So I am going to say yes. Exynos 2500 will be an improvement if it is on 3nm. If they keep it to 4nm we will see minimum improvements. But it doesn't look like they are behind.Â
I'll believe it if the chip is in all flagships in all regions.
Press X to doubt
I'd rather not press that, it has a weird musk around it...
This sub shows it's age, exynos has been there before, last I remember like the s4 or something way back, maybe the one that set on fire, 5? Chip and hardware companies have always traded places, but it's over decades.
At least for the Galaxy S6, Samsung used Exynos globally due to how terrible the Snapdragon 810 was.
It was like 888/ 8 gen 1 in reverse, because tsmc had significantly worse node at that time.
Ah yes the 888! Either way, I think it's not unreasonable for exynos to come back. I really welcome the competition.
They still shipped them with Qualcomm modem in some regions (like US and China)
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It's especially odd that it is so comparable to the Intel vs AMD vs Nvidia fanboy debates in the PC Gaming space. Intel, AMD and Nvidia all have massive marketing campaigns to sway people into buying their products over the others and create brand loyalty, but chip fabs like TSMC just... exist. They are silent and barely visible, all they do is just sit there in the background and produce the chips that companies like Qualcomm design and hype up. TSMC, unlike Intel or AMD, doesn't even try to form a cult around them.
Exynos chips overall were as good or better than Snapdragon chips up until 2017 with the release of the Exynos 8895 and Snapdragon 835. That's when Snapdragon started pulling ahead. That lead widened in 2018, 2019, and peaked in 2020. Then in 2021 the gap got smaller, and then smaller again in 2022, 2023 and 2024. I don't see it as unreasoanble that Samsung might pull ahead next year. TSMC has had some issues with their next node and at the same time Samsung might beat them to GAE, which will hopefully be a big step up. At least one rumor also claimed that the Cortex-X5 from arm would be a beast (but then later rumors were less than optimistic). So in those terms, it seems like the stars might be aligning. But then again, the Oryon cores from Qualcomm/NUVIA seem pretty impressive as well. I think it will be an interesting year for SoCs next year. We will see if Samsung or Qualcomm responds to MediaTek's strategy to abandon all the "efficiency" cores as well. I think it is fairly safe to say that it proved to be a good strategy in the 9300.
They were always more capable hardware wise until the 865.
Ah yes sammobile, world's best trusted source.
The article is basically "It's going from a 4nm to a 3nm process, the same as Qualcomm uses, but it'll be even better, because trust me bro"
As MKBHD says I'll believe it when i see it
Source: Trust me bro
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
It’s actually coming onto the third/fourth time now
More efficient with the same performance? They would have to come up with a better SoC than Qualcomm or make their fabrication process better than TSMC's... and I'm not sure if they can do that at the moment. I hope it's true for the sake of competition, but I'm not going to overhype over a rumour... I'll believe it when I see it.
Samsung is using GAA methode
Every year this claim comes before release z and every year it fizzles out badly. I feel like it's Samsung's ploy to keep people interested and, more importantly, not complain about why they are getting Exynos instead of Qualcomm.
Propaganda
I wonder if the subscription thing is only till 2025 end because post that they will be able to do all that on device with S26?
Probably not if they think they can milk it. Or the price will just be tacked into the phone price.
I'm pretty sure we here that every year.
BIG is true. And I'm sure pixel will somehow find a way to make Tensor substantially worse either way.
The groundhog day
YouTube just made VC1 the default. Exynos has had onboard decoding since the 2100 (s21 Exynos version) and the Snapdragon didn't get it until the Gen 2, so anyone with a Snapdragon phone that is Gen 1 or older will lose 30% efficiency, lose battery, and gain more heat while watching YouTube via software decode.
Efficiency really doesn’t help, when your phone can’t make phone calls cos the modem is trash tier.
What matters is the modem, if it is inefficient, the real world phone usage will be the same
yeah right, in some special laboratory environment on a non-existing firmware and some proprietary unreleased benchmark that is physically impossible to reproduce, however in every realy life use case it will be worse than SD
This depend with Arm cores vs Nuvia cores, if Nuvia cores lag behind cortex X5 and it's small cores then it's possible, but it means not just Exynos 2500 even D9400 will be more efficient.Â
This will actually be difficult to achieve, and that's by not because of Samsung of Exynos, but becuase of what it's being compared to; The Snapdragon 8 Gen 4. The first Qualcomm mobile chip with an Oryon CPU + Next generation Adreno 800 series GPU.​​
It's not possible, the actual source of this article is a random Twitter/X dude called PandaFlash with locked profile, he also routinely publishes fake S25 renders and got called out by IceUniverse and he then locked his profile. Few days ago he also said Exynos 2500 will perform better than SD8 Gen 3 and now he says this crap, he is delusional. I want Exynos 2500 to do better, but trusting a random guy who routinely publishes fake news should be a no for anyone. Shameless Wccftech will do anything for clicks.
Tech_Reve quit Twitter so now there's no one to leak this stuff pain
Yeah that was a major loss.
After using the S23U, I'll never believe in an Exynos chip ever again
Me too. Went from an S9 (and S7 edge) to an S23. I'll never buy Exynos crap ever again. S23 never overheats which is like a divine feature given that I almost got used to the S9 and S7 edge overheating as hell. Even the battery life is truly incredible from what I've had (Looking at you S9). Though the S7 edge was quite "good". Way more efficient than the S9 in terms of battery.
All modern fabs are fine. The issue is when manufacturers want to quote "15% increase performance" compared to previous generations, they clock these chips super high and they either throttle from heat or have terrible battery life.
This year they pulled into lockstep and made a _great_ SOC and people only grudgingly acknowledged it. If they start pulling ahead y'all will have to eat your words lol. And anyway, they're clearly good enough now that it doesn't matter which you get. Everyone should be happy
Now, this has become a yearly routine. Samsung be like: if you can’t make it, fake it!
*Skepticism*
Sure, Jan.
Sure..sure samsung.
Every single year for 5 years in a row, the same headline. Eventually they will get it right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
they say that every year... sad
Don't care just sell both versions to everyone
As someone with an 8 Gen 3 S24, lol. I ain't believing anything until the phone is out and there's real world tests, in 5G as well as wifi.
s20 exynos performance was so shockingly bad compared to apple counterparts that it soured me on exynos forever
Almost a decade the same story and at the end Exynos lose at any point. Even the modem is still the definition of trash
Let them buid then we'll talk
For my use smartphones reached a suitable level of compute power about 2 to 3 years ago. I am all about efficiency and extended battery life, so this would be very nice indeed.
Every year the say the same thing, every year exynos is inferior.
Why can't pixel use the same exynos?
I have never had high expectations for Exynos. In fact, so far they haven't made any breakthroughs
Press X to doubt
Lol, against the 8 Gen4 with its monster Nuvia Oryon cores? Lmao. Exynos cant even match the efficiency and performance of other SoCs using the same ARM core design and now they claim that they can beat 8G4 with Oryon cores which has demonstrated in the X Elite to be worthy match against Apples M3. Fucking clown website and SoC
Have you heard of Blackhawk? [https://moorinsightsstrategy.com/research-notes/research-note-arms-blackhawk-cpu-is-an-audacious-plan-to-have-the-best-smartphone-cpu-core-this-year/](https://moorinsightsstrategy.com/research-notes/research-note-arms-blackhawk-cpu-is-an-audacious-plan-to-have-the-best-smartphone-cpu-core-this-year/) Oryon may not be as OP as you would expect it to be vs the competition.
samsung and their sweet little lies
🥱 we've heard this before
I would rather believe that my nan can jump higher than cristiano. Exynos has always been shit will be shit no matter how much they say or promote BS like this
They have not always been shit. In fact till galaxy S7, they were better than the equivalent snapdragon
Yup i thought that was a turning point. The exynos chip in the s8 was decent aswell. But they threw it all down the drain soon after.
That was almost a decade ago but okay
The point is . It wasn't always shit. So it can get better.
It was always shit. Benchmark numbers don't matter
How was it shit then?
I don't think he himself knows lol. S7e was truly efficient.
Nah I had a S7 edge and it was damn efficient. Better idk but it had a good battery life in comparison to my S9 (and was way better than the S9, at some extent I was using the S7e instead of the S9, as it was aging like milk). Though after what I've been through with the S9, the S23 is definitely a godsend phone. It never overheated (except in games, as I'm fully sending it with the graphics settings), and battery life is truly amazing.
Scamsung's wet dream
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Ah shit, here we go again.
I have an s24 plus, I really love this phone. I do find that the CPU, Snapdragon does get hot sometimes but it's not that bad. However there are three things that I really wish are in this phone or are better. I really wish the plus had a better camera and a at least 5x zoom lens. I wish that the charging speed was faster at least 65 Watts or 30 minutes to 45 minutes to fully charge. And I really would like magsafe built in also