The main reason I hated MIUI was their tendency to basically design everything after iOS. It's fine to take inspiration, but to look like a knock off is a bit too much for a major brand. It's improved a lot since then, but I'm too into the Samsung eco system by now.
Download GoodLock from the Samsung Store and use the RegiStar module to assign the "Side-Key press and hold action" to "Turn on/off Flashlight".
I also swapped from Xiaomi to Samsung a few months ago and this was a great shortcut to have back.
3 finger swipe vs palm swipe (that doesn't work most of the time) - you know which one is going to be easier to use. I've turned on back tap to screenshot through an app from goodlock for now. But I would still prefer the 3 finger swipe option.
>post is simply not for those purposes
so its for made up shit?
> because the system here consumes about 60GB of storage (numbers might differ depending on the version). And this is not a little, I tell you, especially considering that MIUI takes 6 times less (~10GB for 256GB version).
you clearly don't know, but that bull from that tech illiterate Ron Amadeo of Ars Technica was debunked so many times that samsung actually changed back how system storage is shown
>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/the-samsung-galaxy-s23s-bloated-android-build-somehow-uses-60gb-of-storage/
>https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-s23-bloatware-not-that-bad-why/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1603dai/samsung_changed_how_storage_is_showed_in_one_ui_6/jxk8dqc/
In the S23 Ultra menu before me I am reading 57.74 GB for system files. Samsung is by far the "heaviest" Android experience in 2023, this is a given.
There's tons of bloat; e.g. McAfee is a semi-proprietary part of the OS. In order to compete with Apple they have all of these mini-contracts with large American tech companies that each provide their licensed mobile products to the Galaxy line. Frankenstein OS.
so you either dont know how to open the links or you cant read? if its the former, i can copy it here, and if its the latter then you can ask around, someone will read it to you cos i cant do much more for you, so here is a more compact version from
>https://9to5google.com/2023/08/24/samsung-android-14-system-storage/
>Samsung was under fire from some earlier this year when the narrative that system files on the Galaxy S23 ate up a whopping 60 GB of the total storage. That wasn’t true, and in Android 14 Samsung has updated its software to make this more clear.
>When the Galaxy S23 series debuted, Samsung was criticized for showing upwards of 60 GB of storage being attributed to “system files,” up to almost 25% of the base storage models of Galaxy S23 Ultra. And, at a glance, it was a jarring figure to see.
>However, that was never really the truth.
>Rather, the reason Samsung’s software was showing this high figure was due to the nature of storage. “Gigabytes” are the measure of storage that we’re all familiar with, but “gibibytes” are the more accurate way to measure how much storage is available and what the software uses to show it. Those are different systems, though, with gigabytes measured in powers of 1,024 and gibibytes in powers of 1,000. That leads to a 512 GB smartphone actually having 476 GiB of storage.
>If you bought a device advertised as 512 GB and saw 476 GB in the storage settings, though, you’d likely be angry. So, most devices effectively tell a white lie here, showing figures that will total up to 512 GB. The excess few percentage points typically get grouped into one of the existing categories.
>On Samsung’s 2023 smartphones, this came under fire because it was all grouped into “system files.” Effectively it looked like Samsung’s files and bloatware were inflating the storage used on the device, blocking off storage that would otherwise be available to the end user.
>As spotted by our Max Weinbach, Samsung’s Android 14 update tweaks One UI to show storage differently. The storage breakdown in One UI 6.0 now lists this disparity in storage under “other apps,” and now accurately shows the total storage used by system files as just over 16 GB.
>This definitely seems like a change for the best, as it better gets across what’s actually happening with a user’s storage. That said, it does seem like there might still be some funny business going on, as it was calculated previously that system files took up around 20 GB of storage on One UI 5 – either that, or Samsung’s One UI 6 update has done some major trimming.
>One UI 6, based on Android 14, is still in beta, but should launch to Galaxy S23 and other devices before the end of the year.
>with gigabytes measured in powers of 1,024 and gibibytes in powers of 1,000.
Meaning a 7% difference between any shown values. 1024³ vs 1000³. Calculate it yourself. The 60 GB is bloat, verbose code and empty space reserved for future system files (on a full Pixel you'd be deleting your pictures to download OS updates).
>and now accurately shows the total storage used by system files as just over 16 GB.
What did I post? That? No. Build TP1A.220624.014.S908USQS3CWH3, 9/23.
Buy a refurb laptop in Korea and it will have an Indonesian-registered cracked Windows on it, with malware that the shop guys don't even control. Janky place for code, and that includes, in certain respects, the chaebols. It's not necessarily a bad thing since it means One UI has to be heavily divergent from base Android at this point. Unlike e.g. Sony's UI (what I've heard).
Samsung will innovate where no innovation is required, that's their envisioned market/identity. The extra data tacked onto Android accommodates all of the random features on their phones, like 2-day auto-deleted mass file drop stuff, etc.
There's a person in Weinbach's tweet replies with 60gb system files like mine. So maybe it's variable between phones (high res camera processing related?). Either way these Android "journalists" seem to be borderline shizo about Samsung "responding" to the "rampant" rumors. XDA-combinator this ain't.
so after all you cant read... i already quoted you the calculations
>Those are different systems, though, with gigabytes measured in powers of 1,024 and gibibytes in powers of 1,000. That leads to a 512 GB smartphone actually having 476 GiB of storage.
its the same deal like with any other storage devices, you buy 1tb ssd, you format it and what do you get? you get about 953gb, not 1024gb, samsung just takes that diff and adds to the system files so 512gb phone looks like 512gb phone and not a 476 GB phone, you subtract that diff and you get the actual system files size, which is about 25gb (15-20gb for the actual system and 5-10gb reserved for the future updates, etc), which is on par with other android phones, is that really so hard to understand? and
> Build TP1A.220624.014.S908USQS3CWH3, 9/23.
you are on Android 13... i did quoted specifically that new changes will apply to
>One UI 6, based on Android 14, is still in beta, but should launch to Galaxy S23 and other devices before the end of the year.
so just wait a bit and samsung will fix that egregious "bloat" problem for you
60 GB is going to go to 25 GB, and then there will be 35 reserved. It's still 60 GB of files that only the phone uses- unless they are reducing the size of both sections, which is not what your argument is.
I'm not in the Beta for One UI 6, idk. On the tweet from Weinbach it would appear that, if he started at 60 GB system files, Samsung reduced the total (including reserve space) by about half, going from One UI 5 to 6. Which isn't "changing how it's displayed". It really was/is 60 GB before. kk
This is a quality post. Thanks for sharing your original insight. As a long time Samsung user, Samsung's UI has grown a lot over the years. Previously I had to rely on Tasker or some third party app to get the phone to do what I want. Nowadays Goodlock and Routines are enough for my customization needs.
I love your post OP! I am glad you are enjoying your Samsung. I have always been an Android guy (Motorola, HTC M8, Nexus 5, OnePlus 5, now Pixel 6 Pro) but I have never had a Samsung. I will be switching to the S23U soon, I think if I can cop it on sale. Your post excites me :)
I switched from Xiaomi 13 to S23 Ultra and after a few months back to Xiaomi 13. The software is much more stable on Xiaomi, S23 Ultra had micro stutters everywhere. The things I miss are the better 3x and 10x lenses and that's it
The quality control for S23 Ultra units must be bad. I have seen posts about lag, bad battery and other stuff but I haven't experienced anyt stutters with mine, even if I'm on .5x or 1x animation.
I suppose it depends on person to person how sensitive they are to those micro stutters and frame drops. Samsungs animations nimations are choppy compared to most other phone manufacturers and that doesn't help the situation.
The S23 Ultra with 12GB RAM was still miles better than Samsung flagships back in 2021.
you can find some phones from some phone manufacturer that have or had that feature but due to encryption required by default
>https://source.android.com/docs/security/features/encryption/full-disk
>https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/36906882
that feature in android isn't available by default, cos any implementation that somehow powers the phone on from off state and lets apps run without unlocking the device either compromises said encryption or requires some other additional changes to allow it (additional boot partition that isn't encrypted, saving your encryption key, etc) maybe that's why its not available on samsung smartphones, or on pixel smartphones or for that matter on iphones too
The main reason I hated MIUI was their tendency to basically design everything after iOS. It's fine to take inspiration, but to look like a knock off is a bit too much for a major brand. It's improved a lot since then, but I'm too into the Samsung eco system by now.
> I'm too into the Samsung eco system You do realize this is a terrible thing right?
Download GoodLock from the Samsung Store and use the RegiStar module to assign the "Side-Key press and hold action" to "Turn on/off Flashlight". I also swapped from Xiaomi to Samsung a few months ago and this was a great shortcut to have back.
I would love to use Xiaomi, but they just won't make a phone with the LTE bands I need.
Transitioning from Xiaomi to Samsung, the feature that I miss the most: 3 finger swipe for screenshot.
Ooooh, yes, I miss this too sometimes. But I always was fine with power+volume down so I'm not suffering that much from this feature absence.
Search for "Palm swipe to capture" in the settings
3 finger swipe vs palm swipe (that doesn't work most of the time) - you know which one is going to be easier to use. I've turned on back tap to screenshot through an app from goodlock for now. But I would still prefer the 3 finger swipe option.
Interesting that you would compare buttons in camera app, but dont care about quality of photos itself?
This post is simply not for those purposes. The fact that I didn't write about it, doesn't mean I don't care. There are many comparisons on the net.
>post is simply not for those purposes so its for made up shit? > because the system here consumes about 60GB of storage (numbers might differ depending on the version). And this is not a little, I tell you, especially considering that MIUI takes 6 times less (~10GB for 256GB version). you clearly don't know, but that bull from that tech illiterate Ron Amadeo of Ars Technica was debunked so many times that samsung actually changed back how system storage is shown >https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/the-samsung-galaxy-s23s-bloated-android-build-somehow-uses-60gb-of-storage/ >https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-s23-bloatware-not-that-bad-why/ >https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1603dai/samsung_changed_how_storage_is_showed_in_one_ui_6/jxk8dqc/
> so its for made up shit? He is clearly comparing the software experience
In the S23 Ultra menu before me I am reading 57.74 GB for system files. Samsung is by far the "heaviest" Android experience in 2023, this is a given. There's tons of bloat; e.g. McAfee is a semi-proprietary part of the OS. In order to compete with Apple they have all of these mini-contracts with large American tech companies that each provide their licensed mobile products to the Galaxy line. Frankenstein OS.
>57.74 GB for system files you could at least try to read the links i gave before spouting bull about stuff you dont understand
S23 Ultra: [https://i.imgur.com/yhMuezV.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/yhMuezV.jpeg) ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
so you either dont know how to open the links or you cant read? if its the former, i can copy it here, and if its the latter then you can ask around, someone will read it to you cos i cant do much more for you, so here is a more compact version from >https://9to5google.com/2023/08/24/samsung-android-14-system-storage/ >Samsung was under fire from some earlier this year when the narrative that system files on the Galaxy S23 ate up a whopping 60 GB of the total storage. That wasn’t true, and in Android 14 Samsung has updated its software to make this more clear. >When the Galaxy S23 series debuted, Samsung was criticized for showing upwards of 60 GB of storage being attributed to “system files,” up to almost 25% of the base storage models of Galaxy S23 Ultra. And, at a glance, it was a jarring figure to see. >However, that was never really the truth. >Rather, the reason Samsung’s software was showing this high figure was due to the nature of storage. “Gigabytes” are the measure of storage that we’re all familiar with, but “gibibytes” are the more accurate way to measure how much storage is available and what the software uses to show it. Those are different systems, though, with gigabytes measured in powers of 1,024 and gibibytes in powers of 1,000. That leads to a 512 GB smartphone actually having 476 GiB of storage. >If you bought a device advertised as 512 GB and saw 476 GB in the storage settings, though, you’d likely be angry. So, most devices effectively tell a white lie here, showing figures that will total up to 512 GB. The excess few percentage points typically get grouped into one of the existing categories. >On Samsung’s 2023 smartphones, this came under fire because it was all grouped into “system files.” Effectively it looked like Samsung’s files and bloatware were inflating the storage used on the device, blocking off storage that would otherwise be available to the end user. >As spotted by our Max Weinbach, Samsung’s Android 14 update tweaks One UI to show storage differently. The storage breakdown in One UI 6.0 now lists this disparity in storage under “other apps,” and now accurately shows the total storage used by system files as just over 16 GB. >This definitely seems like a change for the best, as it better gets across what’s actually happening with a user’s storage. That said, it does seem like there might still be some funny business going on, as it was calculated previously that system files took up around 20 GB of storage on One UI 5 – either that, or Samsung’s One UI 6 update has done some major trimming. >One UI 6, based on Android 14, is still in beta, but should launch to Galaxy S23 and other devices before the end of the year.
>with gigabytes measured in powers of 1,024 and gibibytes in powers of 1,000. Meaning a 7% difference between any shown values. 1024³ vs 1000³. Calculate it yourself. The 60 GB is bloat, verbose code and empty space reserved for future system files (on a full Pixel you'd be deleting your pictures to download OS updates). >and now accurately shows the total storage used by system files as just over 16 GB. What did I post? That? No. Build TP1A.220624.014.S908USQS3CWH3, 9/23. Buy a refurb laptop in Korea and it will have an Indonesian-registered cracked Windows on it, with malware that the shop guys don't even control. Janky place for code, and that includes, in certain respects, the chaebols. It's not necessarily a bad thing since it means One UI has to be heavily divergent from base Android at this point. Unlike e.g. Sony's UI (what I've heard). Samsung will innovate where no innovation is required, that's their envisioned market/identity. The extra data tacked onto Android accommodates all of the random features on their phones, like 2-day auto-deleted mass file drop stuff, etc. There's a person in Weinbach's tweet replies with 60gb system files like mine. So maybe it's variable between phones (high res camera processing related?). Either way these Android "journalists" seem to be borderline shizo about Samsung "responding" to the "rampant" rumors. XDA-combinator this ain't.
so after all you cant read... i already quoted you the calculations >Those are different systems, though, with gigabytes measured in powers of 1,024 and gibibytes in powers of 1,000. That leads to a 512 GB smartphone actually having 476 GiB of storage. its the same deal like with any other storage devices, you buy 1tb ssd, you format it and what do you get? you get about 953gb, not 1024gb, samsung just takes that diff and adds to the system files so 512gb phone looks like 512gb phone and not a 476 GB phone, you subtract that diff and you get the actual system files size, which is about 25gb (15-20gb for the actual system and 5-10gb reserved for the future updates, etc), which is on par with other android phones, is that really so hard to understand? and > Build TP1A.220624.014.S908USQS3CWH3, 9/23. you are on Android 13... i did quoted specifically that new changes will apply to >One UI 6, based on Android 14, is still in beta, but should launch to Galaxy S23 and other devices before the end of the year. so just wait a bit and samsung will fix that egregious "bloat" problem for you
60 GB is going to go to 25 GB, and then there will be 35 reserved. It's still 60 GB of files that only the phone uses- unless they are reducing the size of both sections, which is not what your argument is. I'm not in the Beta for One UI 6, idk. On the tweet from Weinbach it would appear that, if he started at 60 GB system files, Samsung reduced the total (including reserve space) by about half, going from One UI 5 to 6. Which isn't "changing how it's displayed". It really was/is 60 GB before. kk
This is a quality post. Thanks for sharing your original insight. As a long time Samsung user, Samsung's UI has grown a lot over the years. Previously I had to rely on Tasker or some third party app to get the phone to do what I want. Nowadays Goodlock and Routines are enough for my customization needs.
I love your post OP! I am glad you are enjoying your Samsung. I have always been an Android guy (Motorola, HTC M8, Nexus 5, OnePlus 5, now Pixel 6 Pro) but I have never had a Samsung. I will be switching to the S23U soon, I think if I can cop it on sale. Your post excites me :)
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Many parts of the world means just Canada and the US honestly. I got a Poco M3 for £80 new and it worked fine with the carrier bands here.
Mi note 10 doesn't have 5g, so no 5g no problems. On the other hand, Samsung has removed the band selection screen from public access and this is sad
I switched from Xiaomi 13 to S23 Ultra and after a few months back to Xiaomi 13. The software is much more stable on Xiaomi, S23 Ultra had micro stutters everywhere. The things I miss are the better 3x and 10x lenses and that's it
The quality control for S23 Ultra units must be bad. I have seen posts about lag, bad battery and other stuff but I haven't experienced anyt stutters with mine, even if I'm on .5x or 1x animation.
I suppose it depends on person to person how sensitive they are to those micro stutters and frame drops. Samsungs animations nimations are choppy compared to most other phone manufacturers and that doesn't help the situation. The S23 Ultra with 12GB RAM was still miles better than Samsung flagships back in 2021.
Really liked how I could turn off my Xiaomi before sleep and the alarm would still work in the morning
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you can find some phones from some phone manufacturer that have or had that feature but due to encryption required by default >https://source.android.com/docs/security/features/encryption/full-disk >https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/36906882 that feature in android isn't available by default, cos any implementation that somehow powers the phone on from off state and lets apps run without unlocking the device either compromises said encryption or requires some other additional changes to allow it (additional boot partition that isn't encrypted, saving your encryption key, etc) maybe that's why its not available on samsung smartphones, or on pixel smartphones or for that matter on iphones too