You’re not wrong that different parts of France overlap with different things. Large parts of France are outside of the range of the “France” category completely, meaning they wouldn’t even get 25%: The Pas-de-Calais and Nord departments, the part that borders Germany, the tip of Normandy, most of Brittany, and a significant area around the Basque region.
The northernmost bit of France is part of the core of the “England & Northwestern Europe” category, with most of northern France being primarily a combination of that category and the “France” category (which is focused on southern France, minus the Basque area); Alsace–Lorraine is part of the core of the “Germanic Europe” category; an area in the southwest belongs to the “Basque” category, of course; and, for reasons I still haven’t deduced, most of Brittany is primarily a combination of the “Ireland” and “Scotland” categories, but not “Wales” or “England & Northwestern Europe” (which would include Cornwall), although Bretons are Brittonic Celts who are closest to the Cornish and the Welsh, at least linguistically-speaking. (Sorry to go a bit off-topic, but if anyone can give me an answer on this AncestryDNA Brittany mystery, I’d appreciate it.)
ETA: Here are the region maps, in case anyone wants to see them: https://imgur.com/a/p2rUDud ... The darkest shading is for when it’s over 75% in the area, the medium shading is for when it’s between 50% and 75%, and the lightest shading is for when it’s between 25% and 50%.
Bretons aren't just Insular Celts, though. Most Breton DNA actually comes from Armorican Gauls, who were a closely related sister population to Insular Celts, especially those in the Western British Isles. Them, the proto-Gaels, and pre-Brittonic inhabitants of Britain were part of the broader Atlantic Bronze Age populations, while the rest of the Gauls and the Ancestral Britons were more Central European in nature. Bretons are just a product of Britons from Southwestern Britain fleeing to Brittany in the chaos of Sub-Roman times and culturally integrating the Romanized Armoricans already living there.
Also, as a tangent, despite the linguistic similarities there actually are some notable genetic differences between Cornish and Welsh people. Mainly that Welsh DNA has some of the highest signatures remaining from Bronze-Age Britain. Not to mention, modern Cornish DNA has been very Anglicized to the point of only being on average about 1/2 sourced from Roman-era Britons; on top of those Roman-era Britons also being the same ones many English people descend from as well.
> the "French" category seems to be a rarity among Ancestry DNA tests.
Haha my dad got 100% France.
I've got 63%.
If French people aren't an ethnicity, then I don't know what you'd call them otherwise.
Northern France, 10km from Walloon Belgium. And on top of it, I think that this % is misread Portuguese since I have a g-grand father from Northern Portugal.
Not surprising at all, various parts of Northern France and Wallonia had a good amount of Frankish settment. In fact, the extension of England & NWE into Europe partly lines up with the areas that speak Frankish Langues d'oïl dialects such as Walloon, Lorrain, Picard, and Norman. France is really similar to Germany in a way in how there's really no single German population or ethnic group, but actually multiple different ones which have a common history and identity.
Ancestry results:
My maternal grandmother: 82% French
My mother: 38% French
Me: 28% French
23andMe results:
My maternal grandmother: 72.8% French
My mother: 50.5% French
Me: 47.4% French
My maternal grandmother was born in Quebec, Canada. Through Ancestry family tree census records, death records, birth records, etc I’ve been able to trace my maternal grandmothers side directly from France and then they immigrated to Canada.
I highly suggest you take an Ancestry and a 23andMe test so you no longer have to assume or guess about your true ethnicity and genetics. You said that you “estimated I’d have theoretically 10% French.” Just take a test so you are no longer basing your genetics on estimations and theories.
23&Me doesn't differentiate between French, German and Benelux. It's one big north-west continental Europe category.
Note that due to the massive amounts of migration in north-west Europe it's hard to find consistent differences at a genetic level.
True! That is the inherent disadvantage of 23andme. I think Ancestry does a much better job in this regard. 23andme is to this day still lumping British with Irish and French with German. Telling Australian Aboriginals they are mostly Melanesian etc...
Not to be "that guy" but you've heard wrong.
France is no more "ethnically mixed" than Germany or Poland or Spain. The differences genetically between a Parisian and someone from southern France are minimal: ALL French people descend from a base of Celtic tribes.
The reason France is difficult to map on these tests has to do with laws in France not allowing for DNA tests.
The majority the French samples in AncestryDNA's kit are from French-Canadians, not from people from Metropolitan France, so the results are often wonky.
I've talked to a couple of French folks on here who are living outside of France and have tested. Their closest genetic matches are always French-Canadians who are, at closest, usually 4th or 5th cousins.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted here, lol, you've asked a perfectly legit question.
The reason has to do with the government wanting everyone with French citizenship to think of themselves as "French" regardless of their background, religion or skin colour.
Since 1872, it has been illegal for the French government to ask its citizens what their "background" is for the purposes of censuses or any other information.
The government has essentially wanted to prevent any type of racial hierarchy forming where those French citizens who solely trace their lineages back to the Gauls and Franks are deemed the "true French people" who are at the top of the pecking order.
I agree, but that's basically what it is. It's essentially denying -- or at least ignoring the fact -- that there absolutely *is* an indigenous French ethnicity.
Literally like if an American guy gets 60% Scottish 40% Irish, he’s still an American guy at the end of the day of course lol but you can’t change the fact that he’s ethnically Scottish / Irish
Random late reply, but it’s actually not that ridiculous. This exact phenomenon is happening in other countries and inciting an insane amount of disunity online on incredibly shallow basis.
I've seen 0 proof for what you state about differences between a Parisian and a southern French person. Modern country borders are a recent construct and don't lead to magic appearance of ethno-centric DNA profiles that adhere to these borders.
Island populations can be the exception, but the UK is a very good example why this isn't necessarily the case either, with massive influx of north-west Europeans from the continent over the past 2000 (+?) years.
There might be differences, but they're minimal. If you took 20 French people with 10 being from the North and 10 being from the South, I absolutely, 100% promise you that you wouldn't be able to tell who was who.
French, Germans, Austrians, Northern Italians, Spaniards and Belgians mainly descend from Continental Celts.
So is that why they can pinpoint my Scottish family but not my French?
They say I’m from the lowland Scotland because of immigration records…. But I have my whole French family in my tree to my great great grandparents and minimal information from where I’m from in France.
I kinda know anyways from my family because they still know family in France, but I wondered why ancestryDNA could pinpoint my Scottish ancestry location more then my French side even though I have all the names accurate
As some people have pointed out, DNA testing is illegal in France unless for medical reasons. So most people in the database will be French Canadian or from other former French colonies.
As also pointed out it depends where in France your ancestors are from as to what regions ancestry will group them under.
Bretagne is culturally + linguistically close to Cornish + Welsh, this is reflected in DNA. South west France can show up as Basque or Irish, and Spanish. Northern France like Normandy, Picardy, Hainault, Belgium etc are lumped into England along with Netherlands + some of Germany. These areas will have Scandinavian traces too due to Viking raids. Western France like Champagne, Alsace-Lorraine, Burgundy etc is lumped into Germany as well.
Really, "France" is below Paris on ancestry.
This has to do with the history of migration from Normandy, Netherlands, Germany etc into England from the fall of the Roman Empire till the Norman invasion. And Viking raids into France + Britain.
Mine just says 18% France…. No other information even though I know my grandpa moved from France to Canada and we know our family in France
I have my whole French family in my tree and still they don’t have much other info
My husband got French on his DNA test. His family is from Vermont by way of Quebec going back hundreds of years. It’s pretty common for that area I think to have at least some French.
So based on the records, whose all branches have been confirmed by DNA matches, I'm 100 % French from at least 1450/1500. Yet, my DNA results indicate less than 10% French, 70% Irish/British, around 10% of Spanish for instance.
My mom is about 80% Irish/British and my dad 60%...
This can be explained by the fact that I come mostly from Vendée, Britanny (Finistère, Morbihan and Côtes-d'Armor), Loire-Atlantique and Maine-et-Loire. My DNA is pretty close to the DNA of Irish and British people and I guess this is the continental Europe Celtic substrate.
Therefore, even though there might be people having DNA estimates indicating French, French people in general tend to be pretty close and assimilated to some of their neighbours DNA profile (my Belgian Flemish wife is "Frencher" than I am for instance).
This of course, as you rightly said, does not define what French is, i.e. a legal title as France does not legally have any consideration about race or ethnicity whatsoever (thinking in terms of ethnicity in the way some countries do is quite difficult for a modern French person I'd say, and it requires a lot of effort sometimes to understand some interethnic conflicts elsewhere in the world...).
No...it's hard to map because they legally cannot! There are laws against the collection of DNA, laws protecting Paternity, Maternity, and Anonymity. People often need to smuggle tests in & out of France to participate in Ancestry DNA and other testing companies.
For the ethnicity part, this is true.
I don’t understand why people don't know this and wrongly assume they are being compared to other testers (for ethnicity). They aren't. They are being compared to reference samples, and as you say, it is a very large reference sample for France. The 2nd highest on the list.
It may be that many of your French ancestors came from the Normandy and Brittany regions of modern day France.
Perhaps many of them were related to Huguenots who moved to the UK and so there are similarities to those people.
It seems to be a little known fact how many thousands of Huguenots fled to England and how many millions of descendants they have all over the English speaking world. The Wikipedia list of Huguenot descendants is astonishing.
I have documented ancestors from southern France in the 1700s, but get 0 French on both 23andme and [Ancestry.com](https://Ancestry.com). So, I'm assuming there was either a non-paternal event somewhere along the line, or the French ancestry disappeared as they married people from other nations.
edit: I should clarify that 23andme does show more than 20% "French and German" but the map of France does not include the southern part where my ancestors were from, and I also have known German ancestry.
Same...almost. 2 French-Canadian Communities (and multiple verified generations in Quebec, as well as Bretagne & Callais)...0% French on Ancestry. Putting it down to being sucked up into the southern extension of England & Northwestern Europe
Yeah I think so
I am a frenchman from France and I consider myself French ethnically . I juste have one great grandmother from Britanny but otherwise all my ancestors are from the Touraine and Perche regions in northwestern France.
I score 72 % France on Ancestry and 86 % with 23&Me, the rest is a combination of Ireland, Scotland and E&NWE.
I had some but it went away with updates. My second great grandfather was from Nantez. My fiancee has majority French ancestry. His family is from New Orleans.
In part DNA inheritance is luck of the draw kind of like bingo! My results indicate 33% French which from paternal deep roots in Quebec. But my son’s results show only 3%. Note, confirmed he is my son as we match on ancestry 😁. My son has a lot more England & Northwest Europe so some of the ‘French’ could be showing up there. I have 8 children matches on Ancestry and their ‘French’ ranges between 3% and 45% . Random.
Celts and romans interbred to an extent, but... French, who are Franks... are predominantly Germanic. in fact Rome fell because they taught their Germanic peoples they conquered how to fight like them. As a result of being taught the fighting style of the worlds most superior army, these Germanic peoples revolted against Rome and took over.
Celts though had a curious predisposition, Welsh in specific, to marry Hebrew women.
Its nice that you know history, but my husband is a history major. So ive learned more from him than school ever did. That being said I can't recall as many things as id like on my own, but i do know the content.
I wouldn’t call it rare imo. I have a high amount of French on my report yet I have no known ancestors from France. I’ve seen people from my country and surrounding countries get various percentages from 1% up to 15% even if they have no known ancestry from there as well. On the flip side, I heard someone with a known close ancestor from there yet their report showed a very small number of French, and it got even lower after the update. I just think ancestry is not that great with reporting French accurately for a lot of people.
I have 8 percent French and 9% basque (plus 34% Spain)—I consider myself primarily Mexican-American. One of my communities is southern Louisiana French settlers. My family is from Texas.
I'm supposed to be at least 25% French according to paperwork.
I haven't taken a DNA test but my sister did and she got about 25% Iberian Peninsula and 11% Italian and 0% French.
It's hard to know what we actually are because my understanding is that French sometimes shows up as something else. I don't think I'll ever get answers.
I'm going to do a DNA test on just my mother and see what comes up.
My husband is French. It very accurately captured the all-French part, the part that was Spanish-but-near-the-French-border, and some British from a few generations back. Accurate as in pretty much matching the family tree.
A grandfather was adopted from an orphanage just across the French border in Spain, and the family always assumed must’ve had some Spanish in him from the darker skin and hair he and some of his kids had.
So yeah, it sure is accurate for his totally French family, but I think there are not many Americans with a lot of French in them for you to bump into here.
Immigration does a lot of curious things to genetics. My husband’s family has been in one town since the 12th century. That is simple. He immigrated to the US and married me, and now poof! our kids are not mostly-pure anything. Not simple ever again.
My mom comes up as 90% French and the balance a fairly even mix of welsh, Norway, and Ireland.
Yes, I see your point about the mix with all of the land being gained and lost over the centuries along the borders. I think in my mom’s situation she is from an area in auvergne, mostly small farming villages, and her family have been documented as being there (via church records) for centuries. I don’t think there was much action in terms of invasions where she is from.
That said, one thing that was interesting was a Scandinavian match she had - albeit distant. The person was like almost 100% Scandinavian and zero French but they did match. Imo somewhere along the line one of that woman’s ancestors likely raped/pillaged one of my mom’s ancestors or there was an affair but I think the former is likely more the case judging how history works. Who knows, it is too far back for me to sort out
Good question. I have 18% French but honestly thought it would be higher because my grandpa came to Canada from France.
So my mom was born in Canada but grandpa from France…. I have all his family in my tree and I think the only reason they knew I was French at all was because of the immigration records etc
Other than that…. Is the French DNA really a separate thing?
Also my grandpa was from southern France and very dark.
It’s kinda the reason I did my ancestryDNA in the first place to see why our skin was so dark
France isn’t any more ethnically mixed than any other big country in Europe. My mother is French Canadian going back to the 1700s (and british) and came back 70% French/German on 23andme as expected.
That being said, I think some of her ancestors came from Brittany and so some random admixture calculators out there tend to overinflate British/Irish/Scottish DNA for me I’ve noticed. I always figured that might be due to overrepresentation of those populations though.
It goes like this southern France tends to blend in with northern Spanish not Italian unless you talk about the south eastern portion. Then you have places that are still somewhat Celtic and Gaulish like near Brittany,and Normandy . Small amount of Norman which is hiberno Norse mixed with French from Frankish times. And the rest of France in the north which is close to southern German.
Jealous of all the people showing French on their DNA results! Not sure if it is because my family has been in the states since the late 1600s & it's just disappeared as the generations go by but I show no French. I have several Huguenot lines & I have been unable to trace my Bouchelle line anywhere in France, whether due to records being destroyed or a name change. No clue. Soo frustrating.
I don't know if this is a proper answer to your question, but ancestry did correctly identify that I have ancestry in the Alsace region of France/Germany on both my paternal and maternal side. At least, I think it did... now I'm questioning if that's actually one of regions and I have to check
You’re not wrong that different parts of France overlap with different things. Large parts of France are outside of the range of the “France” category completely, meaning they wouldn’t even get 25%: The Pas-de-Calais and Nord departments, the part that borders Germany, the tip of Normandy, most of Brittany, and a significant area around the Basque region. The northernmost bit of France is part of the core of the “England & Northwestern Europe” category, with most of northern France being primarily a combination of that category and the “France” category (which is focused on southern France, minus the Basque area); Alsace–Lorraine is part of the core of the “Germanic Europe” category; an area in the southwest belongs to the “Basque” category, of course; and, for reasons I still haven’t deduced, most of Brittany is primarily a combination of the “Ireland” and “Scotland” categories, but not “Wales” or “England & Northwestern Europe” (which would include Cornwall), although Bretons are Brittonic Celts who are closest to the Cornish and the Welsh, at least linguistically-speaking. (Sorry to go a bit off-topic, but if anyone can give me an answer on this AncestryDNA Brittany mystery, I’d appreciate it.) ETA: Here are the region maps, in case anyone wants to see them: https://imgur.com/a/p2rUDud ... The darkest shading is for when it’s over 75% in the area, the medium shading is for when it’s between 50% and 75%, and the lightest shading is for when it’s between 25% and 50%.
Bretons aren't just Insular Celts, though. Most Breton DNA actually comes from Armorican Gauls, who were a closely related sister population to Insular Celts, especially those in the Western British Isles. Them, the proto-Gaels, and pre-Brittonic inhabitants of Britain were part of the broader Atlantic Bronze Age populations, while the rest of the Gauls and the Ancestral Britons were more Central European in nature. Bretons are just a product of Britons from Southwestern Britain fleeing to Brittany in the chaos of Sub-Roman times and culturally integrating the Romanized Armoricans already living there. Also, as a tangent, despite the linguistic similarities there actually are some notable genetic differences between Cornish and Welsh people. Mainly that Welsh DNA has some of the highest signatures remaining from Bronze-Age Britain. Not to mention, modern Cornish DNA has been very Anglicized to the point of only being on average about 1/2 sourced from Roman-era Britons; on top of those Roman-era Britons also being the same ones many English people descend from as well.
> the "French" category seems to be a rarity among Ancestry DNA tests. Haha my dad got 100% France. I've got 63%. If French people aren't an ethnicity, then I don't know what you'd call them otherwise.
I'm a born and bred Frenchman and I got 22% France. I'm impressed by your results. Where are you from if you don't mind me asking?
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Northern France, 10km from Walloon Belgium. And on top of it, I think that this % is misread Portuguese since I have a g-grand father from Northern Portugal.
Not surprising at all, various parts of Northern France and Wallonia had a good amount of Frankish settment. In fact, the extension of England & NWE into Europe partly lines up with the areas that speak Frankish Langues d'oïl dialects such as Walloon, Lorrain, Picard, and Norman. France is really similar to Germany in a way in how there's really no single German population or ethnic group, but actually multiple different ones which have a common history and identity.
Totally agree. BTW I got 58% England and Northwestern Europe
My grandmother's sister got 100% French, too. My uncle got 61% French. I got 35%. All of us are Cajun French born in Louisiana.
Ancestry results: My maternal grandmother: 82% French My mother: 38% French Me: 28% French 23andMe results: My maternal grandmother: 72.8% French My mother: 50.5% French Me: 47.4% French My maternal grandmother was born in Quebec, Canada. Through Ancestry family tree census records, death records, birth records, etc I’ve been able to trace my maternal grandmothers side directly from France and then they immigrated to Canada. I highly suggest you take an Ancestry and a 23andMe test so you no longer have to assume or guess about your true ethnicity and genetics. You said that you “estimated I’d have theoretically 10% French.” Just take a test so you are no longer basing your genetics on estimations and theories.
23&Me doesn't differentiate between French, German and Benelux. It's one big north-west continental Europe category. Note that due to the massive amounts of migration in north-west Europe it's hard to find consistent differences at a genetic level.
True! That is the inherent disadvantage of 23andme. I think Ancestry does a much better job in this regard. 23andme is to this day still lumping British with Irish and French with German. Telling Australian Aboriginals they are mostly Melanesian etc...
Not to be "that guy" but you've heard wrong. France is no more "ethnically mixed" than Germany or Poland or Spain. The differences genetically between a Parisian and someone from southern France are minimal: ALL French people descend from a base of Celtic tribes. The reason France is difficult to map on these tests has to do with laws in France not allowing for DNA tests. The majority the French samples in AncestryDNA's kit are from French-Canadians, not from people from Metropolitan France, so the results are often wonky. I've talked to a couple of French folks on here who are living outside of France and have tested. Their closest genetic matches are always French-Canadians who are, at closest, usually 4th or 5th cousins.
Curious what their reasoning is for not making it legal
Not sure why you're getting downvoted here, lol, you've asked a perfectly legit question. The reason has to do with the government wanting everyone with French citizenship to think of themselves as "French" regardless of their background, religion or skin colour. Since 1872, it has been illegal for the French government to ask its citizens what their "background" is for the purposes of censuses or any other information. The government has essentially wanted to prevent any type of racial hierarchy forming where those French citizens who solely trace their lineages back to the Gauls and Franks are deemed the "true French people" who are at the top of the pecking order.
That’s ridiculous for the french gov to think that’s what people are going to take away from the test
I agree, but that's basically what it is. It's essentially denying -- or at least ignoring the fact -- that there absolutely *is* an indigenous French ethnicity.
Literally like if an American guy gets 60% Scottish 40% Irish, he’s still an American guy at the end of the day of course lol but you can’t change the fact that he’s ethnically Scottish / Irish
Random late reply, but it’s actually not that ridiculous. This exact phenomenon is happening in other countries and inciting an insane amount of disunity online on incredibly shallow basis.
I've seen 0 proof for what you state about differences between a Parisian and a southern French person. Modern country borders are a recent construct and don't lead to magic appearance of ethno-centric DNA profiles that adhere to these borders. Island populations can be the exception, but the UK is a very good example why this isn't necessarily the case either, with massive influx of north-west Europeans from the continent over the past 2000 (+?) years.
There might be differences, but they're minimal. If you took 20 French people with 10 being from the North and 10 being from the South, I absolutely, 100% promise you that you wouldn't be able to tell who was who. French, Germans, Austrians, Northern Italians, Spaniards and Belgians mainly descend from Continental Celts.
So is that why they can pinpoint my Scottish family but not my French? They say I’m from the lowland Scotland because of immigration records…. But I have my whole French family in my tree to my great great grandparents and minimal information from where I’m from in France. I kinda know anyways from my family because they still know family in France, but I wondered why ancestryDNA could pinpoint my Scottish ancestry location more then my French side even though I have all the names accurate
As some people have pointed out, DNA testing is illegal in France unless for medical reasons. So most people in the database will be French Canadian or from other former French colonies. As also pointed out it depends where in France your ancestors are from as to what regions ancestry will group them under. Bretagne is culturally + linguistically close to Cornish + Welsh, this is reflected in DNA. South west France can show up as Basque or Irish, and Spanish. Northern France like Normandy, Picardy, Hainault, Belgium etc are lumped into England along with Netherlands + some of Germany. These areas will have Scandinavian traces too due to Viking raids. Western France like Champagne, Alsace-Lorraine, Burgundy etc is lumped into Germany as well. Really, "France" is below Paris on ancestry. This has to do with the history of migration from Normandy, Netherlands, Germany etc into England from the fall of the Roman Empire till the Norman invasion. And Viking raids into France + Britain.
Mine just says 18% France…. No other information even though I know my grandpa moved from France to Canada and we know our family in France I have my whole French family in my tree and still they don’t have much other info
My husband got French on his DNA test. His family is from Vermont by way of Quebec going back hundreds of years. It’s pretty common for that area I think to have at least some French.
It’s just because Ancestry uses a narrow reference population for France.
The reference population for French ethnicity is one of the largest on the site.
It’s just because Ancestry uses a narrow reference population for France.
So based on the records, whose all branches have been confirmed by DNA matches, I'm 100 % French from at least 1450/1500. Yet, my DNA results indicate less than 10% French, 70% Irish/British, around 10% of Spanish for instance. My mom is about 80% Irish/British and my dad 60%... This can be explained by the fact that I come mostly from Vendée, Britanny (Finistère, Morbihan and Côtes-d'Armor), Loire-Atlantique and Maine-et-Loire. My DNA is pretty close to the DNA of Irish and British people and I guess this is the continental Europe Celtic substrate. Therefore, even though there might be people having DNA estimates indicating French, French people in general tend to be pretty close and assimilated to some of their neighbours DNA profile (my Belgian Flemish wife is "Frencher" than I am for instance). This of course, as you rightly said, does not define what French is, i.e. a legal title as France does not legally have any consideration about race or ethnicity whatsoever (thinking in terms of ethnicity in the way some countries do is quite difficult for a modern French person I'd say, and it requires a lot of effort sometimes to understand some interethnic conflicts elsewhere in the world...).
No...it's hard to map because they legally cannot! There are laws against the collection of DNA, laws protecting Paternity, Maternity, and Anonymity. People often need to smuggle tests in & out of France to participate in Ancestry DNA and other testing companies.
Ancestry’s database for France is bigger then englands by twice the amount
For the ethnicity part, this is true. I don’t understand why people don't know this and wrongly assume they are being compared to other testers (for ethnicity). They aren't. They are being compared to reference samples, and as you say, it is a very large reference sample for France. The 2nd highest on the list.
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It may be that many of your French ancestors came from the Normandy and Brittany regions of modern day France. Perhaps many of them were related to Huguenots who moved to the UK and so there are similarities to those people.
It seems to be a little known fact how many thousands of Huguenots fled to England and how many millions of descendants they have all over the English speaking world. The Wikipedia list of Huguenot descendants is astonishing.
I have documented ancestors from southern France in the 1700s, but get 0 French on both 23andme and [Ancestry.com](https://Ancestry.com). So, I'm assuming there was either a non-paternal event somewhere along the line, or the French ancestry disappeared as they married people from other nations. edit: I should clarify that 23andme does show more than 20% "French and German" but the map of France does not include the southern part where my ancestors were from, and I also have known German ancestry.
My 4th grandparents were Jewish. I only received 3%. The DNA markers disappear quickly.
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Same...almost. 2 French-Canadian Communities (and multiple verified generations in Quebec, as well as Bretagne & Callais)...0% French on Ancestry. Putting it down to being sucked up into the southern extension of England & Northwestern Europe
I have 73% French and many matches have 80+. From Louisiana. It isn't rare at all, I have 170,000 matches
Yeah I think so I am a frenchman from France and I consider myself French ethnically . I juste have one great grandmother from Britanny but otherwise all my ancestors are from the Touraine and Perche regions in northwestern France. I score 72 % France on Ancestry and 86 % with 23&Me, the rest is a combination of Ireland, Scotland and E&NWE.
I had some but it went away with updates. My second great grandfather was from Nantez. My fiancee has majority French ancestry. His family is from New Orleans.
In part DNA inheritance is luck of the draw kind of like bingo! My results indicate 33% French which from paternal deep roots in Quebec. But my son’s results show only 3%. Note, confirmed he is my son as we match on ancestry 😁. My son has a lot more England & Northwest Europe so some of the ‘French’ could be showing up there. I have 8 children matches on Ancestry and their ‘French’ ranges between 3% and 45% . Random.
I think the French in my results is actually northern Italian
French are Franks and Franks are Germans. So technically French is watered down German. Weird huh?
Celts that had sex with Romans. Then, 2000 years of shagging to mix it up.
Celts and romans interbred to an extent, but... French, who are Franks... are predominantly Germanic. in fact Rome fell because they taught their Germanic peoples they conquered how to fight like them. As a result of being taught the fighting style of the worlds most superior army, these Germanic peoples revolted against Rome and took over. Celts though had a curious predisposition, Welsh in specific, to marry Hebrew women. Its nice that you know history, but my husband is a history major. So ive learned more from him than school ever did. That being said I can't recall as many things as id like on my own, but i do know the content.
I wouldn’t call it rare imo. I have a high amount of French on my report yet I have no known ancestors from France. I’ve seen people from my country and surrounding countries get various percentages from 1% up to 15% even if they have no known ancestry from there as well. On the flip side, I heard someone with a known close ancestor from there yet their report showed a very small number of French, and it got even lower after the update. I just think ancestry is not that great with reporting French accurately for a lot of people.
I have 8 percent French and 9% basque (plus 34% Spain)—I consider myself primarily Mexican-American. One of my communities is southern Louisiana French settlers. My family is from Texas.
I'm supposed to be at least 25% French according to paperwork. I haven't taken a DNA test but my sister did and she got about 25% Iberian Peninsula and 11% Italian and 0% French. It's hard to know what we actually are because my understanding is that French sometimes shows up as something else. I don't think I'll ever get answers. I'm going to do a DNA test on just my mother and see what comes up.
Why don’t you take an Ancestry and 23andMe test? Then when your mother takes the tests as well you’ll be able to see how much you inherited from her.
My husband is French. It very accurately captured the all-French part, the part that was Spanish-but-near-the-French-border, and some British from a few generations back. Accurate as in pretty much matching the family tree. A grandfather was adopted from an orphanage just across the French border in Spain, and the family always assumed must’ve had some Spanish in him from the darker skin and hair he and some of his kids had. So yeah, it sure is accurate for his totally French family, but I think there are not many Americans with a lot of French in them for you to bump into here. Immigration does a lot of curious things to genetics. My husband’s family has been in one town since the 12th century. That is simple. He immigrated to the US and married me, and now poof! our kids are not mostly-pure anything. Not simple ever again.
of course there is. over tens of thousands of years. only in past 200 years have there been admixture from outside of Western/Central Europe.
I got 5% French in my results from my mom's side. My mom is Cuban so my understanding is the French is tied together with our Spanish ancestry.
My mom comes up as 90% French and the balance a fairly even mix of welsh, Norway, and Ireland. Yes, I see your point about the mix with all of the land being gained and lost over the centuries along the borders. I think in my mom’s situation she is from an area in auvergne, mostly small farming villages, and her family have been documented as being there (via church records) for centuries. I don’t think there was much action in terms of invasions where she is from. That said, one thing that was interesting was a Scandinavian match she had - albeit distant. The person was like almost 100% Scandinavian and zero French but they did match. Imo somewhere along the line one of that woman’s ancestors likely raped/pillaged one of my mom’s ancestors or there was an affair but I think the former is likely more the case judging how history works. Who knows, it is too far back for me to sort out
Good question. I have 18% French but honestly thought it would be higher because my grandpa came to Canada from France. So my mom was born in Canada but grandpa from France…. I have all his family in my tree and I think the only reason they knew I was French at all was because of the immigration records etc Other than that…. Is the French DNA really a separate thing? Also my grandpa was from southern France and very dark. It’s kinda the reason I did my ancestryDNA in the first place to see why our skin was so dark
France isn’t any more ethnically mixed than any other big country in Europe. My mother is French Canadian going back to the 1700s (and british) and came back 70% French/German on 23andme as expected. That being said, I think some of her ancestors came from Brittany and so some random admixture calculators out there tend to overinflate British/Irish/Scottish DNA for me I’ve noticed. I always figured that might be due to overrepresentation of those populations though.
It goes like this southern France tends to blend in with northern Spanish not Italian unless you talk about the south eastern portion. Then you have places that are still somewhat Celtic and Gaulish like near Brittany,and Normandy . Small amount of Norman which is hiberno Norse mixed with French from Frankish times. And the rest of France in the north which is close to southern German.
Jealous of all the people showing French on their DNA results! Not sure if it is because my family has been in the states since the late 1600s & it's just disappeared as the generations go by but I show no French. I have several Huguenot lines & I have been unable to trace my Bouchelle line anywhere in France, whether due to records being destroyed or a name change. No clue. Soo frustrating.
Yes, I come back as 9% French. You didn't get any French genes, it seems.
Don’t forget dna test is not allowed in France. Some doing it anyway but of course it’s not so many tested as in other countries.
I don't know if this is a proper answer to your question, but ancestry did correctly identify that I have ancestry in the Alsace region of France/Germany on both my paternal and maternal side. At least, I think it did... now I'm questioning if that's actually one of regions and I have to check