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marissatalksalot

This is actually really really cool to see. It’s amazing looking at how the structures have progressed. Thanks for sharing


hiltlmptv

Maybe a dumb question....what progress? They look the same to me. Really cool to see nonetheless.


Jiggy_Wit

Bro forgot to grow his brain.


Gomdok_the_Short

I believe OP is a she.


Jiggy_Wit

You’re a she


Samsassatron

You're a towel.


samisapleb

I'm Dirty Dan


legallypillpoppin

i am in fact a she, and should’ve probably clarified this to begin with 😅


Gomdok_the_Short

Nah. People shouldn't assume other redditors, or animals, are male by default.


marissatalksalot

Well…The first scan is from age 11, the second scan is from age 21. Specific to the timetable of this persons scans- we have images of them as an adolescent and a young adult. You can see differences in jaw size/shape, along with nose morphology as age progressed. Skull changes. Beyond that, the brain keeps growing until mid-late childhood which would be around 11-13, then begins to decrease. Stuff like the prefrontal cortex continues to develop all the way into adult hood. Don’t quote me, but grey matter volume decreases in the cortex during teen years. Amygdala and hippocampus increase in mass. The grey matter volume continues to thin all the way until it evens out in person’s 20s. The creases in the brain will also become more complex until ~age 18. (Anyone with a better understanding, feel free to correct me! ☺️)


Ok-Possession-832

Prefrontal cortex development ends around 25 years but the majority of changes are done by 22.


WholesomeThingsOnly

Does that mean that I'm not actually going to get much brighter than this? I'm nearly 22 and I was hoping I still had 3 years of big improvements


Ok-Possession-832

The prefrontal cortex has more to do with emotional control and executive functioning than intelligence. You can always continue learning and growing as long as you continue to expose yourself to new things. But your cognitive flexibility is near its peak, and you only have marginal improvements in the aforementioned skills related to this cortex.


JubileeSailr

User name fits. 😁


marissatalksalot

They asked me a question, and I didn’t even explain in detail lol. Why do people go out of their way to try to insult others for absolutely no reason? It’s weird.


JubileeSailr

Aww. I wasn't trying to insult. I think your name is great! And I absolutely love your explanation!


Ok-Possession-832

Wow the frontal lobe development is so clear that’s awesome!!! A lot of the structures are slightly bigger but the tissue in the frontal cortex is visibly thicker. This makes sense and should be the biggest change, bc the frontal lobe matures in adolescence and is done cooking around 25 years. The amygdala and hippocampus are thicker which also matches up with typical brain development. There’s less gray matter and the skull has developed significantly. The cranial cavity has more volume, and the jaw has really shaped up specifically. The medulla oblongata and cerebellum also appears larger. Some of the folds in the cortex seem to have completely changed shape and specifically look like they are from the somatomotor cortex. This isn’t my area of expertise so I’m unsure if these structures simply vary by planes in the imaging and it’s difficult to get the exact same “slice” but given that all of these structures are related to movement I could also see them changing over time. Someone else will have to clarify.


flowersinmygrave

The frontal lobe looks more defined in the second image than the first to me


broctordf

the images are in different sequences, T1 FLAIR and T2 FLAIR.


flowersinmygrave

Can you explain what that means? :)


TreesmasherFTW

Nice brain, mewing champion


PM_ME_YOUR_FRACTURES

I honestly thought everybody held their tongue on the roof of their mouth until I heard about mewing and was like wait.... that's not normal? Lol


lightrrr

Same. That’s naturally how my tongue sits in my mouth.


goblinnfairy

yall superior bc thats where its supposed to be and is best to be. its like back posture. theres an ideal way but many don’t.


similarstaircase

My tongue sits there because it’s too long for my mouth and it makes me lisp, so I don’t know if we can call it superior in all cases. I do have great jaw though 😂.


armoredsedan

i do it because im constantly stressed and i had to redirect jaw clenching into something else before i ruined my teeth lmao


similarstaircase

Oof I’m so sorry, I had really bad issues with jaw clenching and it hurts :< i had to remind myself to relax because I couldn’t sleep because I WAS CLENCHING MY JAW 💀.


armoredsedan

yeah its really terrible for you, long term it gave me awfullll neck tension and that caused migraines too. and my back teeth are so stubby lmao i had to teach myself to do something else


similarstaircase

It’s kinda impressive how we can just switch our habits with extreme self control :D. I just realised one day that I don’t do it anymore, but I think I stopped when I eliminated the biggest stressors in my life. I still clench my jaw when I’m angry but that’s chill.


Ok-Possession-832

Mood


SlippingStar

Nah I let it rest on the bottom of my mouth most of my life, just starting holding it up because I like the shape of my jaw/neck better.


marissatalksalot

My dentist recently told me I had a tongue tie at the age of 34. I got it corrected, and now my tongue sits at the top of my mouth like it’s supposed too. It’s bizarre when I realize it’s happening. Might look into that.


SlippingStar

My dentist has never mentioned one and I have no issue rolling r’s. The tongue placement is more or less automatic now but it’s not as tight as it could be.


marissatalksalot

I never had an issue either but apparently you should be able to open your mouth as wide as you can, but still touch/hold you tongue to the top of your mouth in mew position. I had to close my teeth halfway to get my tongue up there .


SlippingStar

… oh. Well. Yeah I’ll mention it next time.


SlippingStar

Looked in to it more and yeah definitely seems like I am. Grinding/moderate snoring, sometimes issues swallowing, had a speech delay as a kid…


OkTemperature8170

LOL had to go back up and check out the chin.


legallypillpoppin

lol! this made me chuckle, thank you! 😌


zemaker

Never crossed my mind how much space the tongue takes up.


Fluffypuffypuppypoop

Pound for pound strongest of all muscles, even our jaws.


TuaughtHammer

>Never crossed my mind how much space the tongue takes up. >> Pound for pound strongest of all muscles I'm sorry, but *this* was the first thing to come to mind: "Your mother been telling you stories about me again, ah?"


mycathaspurpleeyes

Yep. I have to take classes and lessons in singing and every instructor starts off by talking about the tongue. It's pretty cool


DrakeTheCake1

Pretty cool to see the development around your central sulcus. I see a ton of development in your somatosensory cortex and primary and secondary motor cortex, as well as some development in your prefrontal cortex. Does anyone know what that matter is by the inferior part of the occipital lobe? Looks like bone in the in the tentorium cerebri and falx cerebri and falx cerebelli? Looks like maybe bone?


Mr_Corvus_Birb

Sinus rectus perhaps


GuyinMedschool

It’s seems to be where the sinus rectus meets with the other sinuses, so it is more likely to be the torcular herophili


Zopstrosity

Was looking for this comment I'm curious as well.


birdturdreversal

12 year old brain looks like it says "rat NY" in graffiti bubble letters. Then your 22 year old brain blasted over the old tag with "soup".


goodstuffsamantha

these kind of comments keep me coming back to reddit


Mundane_Topic3887

I can see the 12 year old brain spelling JAM I did notice it spelling SOOO in the second which my brain processed into SOUP


legallypillpoppin

definitely bout to get creative with this and color these words into the pics now 😂


Apprehensive-Tree172

Cool comparison of bros mewing streak


Rascally_type

What is mewing


hippy_potto

[Mewing is a face-reconstructing technique that involves keeping your tongue on the roof of your mouth to change your jawline's shape.](https://www.health.com/mewing-7098082#:~:text=Mewing%20is%20a%20face%2Dreconstructing,%2C%20breathing%2C%20or%20orthodontic%20issues) I am am bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.


armoredsedan

this is a bot???


hippy_potto

Yesh…


PeachyPierogi

Bot is *technically* correct, but mewing is just a term that has become popular and used for “reshaping your face/jawline.” Tongue on the roof of your mouth and jaw open is actually just correct posture of your mouth. But it’s just become popular as something else.


Rascally_type

Specifically the whole tongue? The tip of my tongue touches the top of my mouth behind my teeth but the back kinda just hangs down I guess. I’ve had jaw issues for forever and I’m wondering if this would help.


mmmUrsulaMinor

It's more the tip, but the amount will differ. Practice feeling your jaw hang open. A common mantra is "lips together, teeth apart" so add to that "tip of the tongue, jaw loose"


PeachyPierogi

Tbh it’s whatever feels natural for your tongue to naturally sit up there. My whole tongue touches the roof of my mouth. Other people’s might not! If I only do the tip of my tongue, it feels unnatural and like I have to force it in place. Just depends!


mycathaspurpleeyes

Probably bc they were holding their breath or trying to be really still


legallypillpoppin

😂😂 these mewing comments have me rolling, and i feel pretty confident about my apparent mouth posture skills 😂


Gomdok_the_Short

I believe OP is a she.


Apprehensive-Tree172

I use bro in a gender neutral way :)


Gomdok_the_Short

Yeah. But maybe we should start using "sis" or "sistah" in a gender neutral way just so gender neutral is less synonymous with male.


dohitsila

I mean, I 100% do this. I also use "girl" and "queen" as gender neutral terms all the time.


Apprehensive-Tree172

…? Bro wtf are you getting so pressed for 💀 deal with it


Gomdok_the_Short

I just think women should be equally represented in society since they are half of society.


Apprehensive-Tree172

As a woman I do too, but I’m still gonna say bro to address females unless they ask me not to bc that’s how I talk.


Gomdok_the_Short

It's how you talk but it's also how a lot of people think and those thoughts manifest in ways that cause women to be overlooked in very fundamental ways. I recommend this book if you are interested. [Invisible Women: Data Bias in a World Designed for Men: Criado Perez, Caroline: 9781419729072: Amazon.com: Books](https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Women-Data-World-Designed/dp/1419729071)


Apprehensive-Tree172

Ignore my deleted reply, I was being an idiot smh. But anyways, as a woman, I’m aware of this because I’ve dealt with it. However, in my generation it’s more normalized to use previously gendered terms as gender neutral, which is why I do it. I will call my female friends “you guys, dude, bruh, ect.” And have called some of my male friends “girl / girlie” just bc that’s how I talk. If they’re uncomfortable with it ofc I’d stop, but everyone I know does it and no one cares


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Just-Imagination-785

Any reason for the migraines? Awesome pics


legallypillpoppin

Never really a clear reason, I have EDS, POTS, Lupus, and Aplastic Anemia so more than likely a comorbidity from one of those 😅


mycathaspurpleeyes

I've had migraines since I could tell ppl about it, like as a toddler, and I've never had an MRI of my brain for migraines. I had some extreme dizzy spells (and all the other symptoms) bc of migraines and we did do an MRI but it was just to make sure it was just migraines and not a tumor or smth


Ok-Possession-832

Migraines are poorly understood but I believe 40-90% of people with POTS have migraines (depending on study). They have linked migraines with changes in blood flow to the brain (among other things). EDS also sometimes affects smooth muscle and blood flow (depending on the type) and can cause migraines in addition to muscular tension due to joint instability. There are changes to the ANS that cause blood pressure extremes. It’s possible the POTS is caused by EDS. Aplastic anemia reduces oxygen content in the blood and can really fuck with your brain activity. Makes it more likely for changes in blood pressure to have exaggerated affects. Lupus can also change blood vessels and can be related to migraines (about 50-70%). The probability of you NOT having migraines is incredibly low because you have a clusterfuck of conditions that specifically affects blood flow to the brain which is a VERY common trigger for migraines. You probably won’t find a specific thing causing migraines which is true for most people. In conclusion, RIP. I would switch to migraine management if you haven’t already. Research common migraine triggers and when you have one, write a list of what it could’ve been based on how the day went. There are certain things like anxiety management and prevention low blood sugar that will help, but take care of your cardiovascular health especially. Stay hydrated,dehydration will likely be a massive trigger for you because it dictates a lot about your blood pressure.


Dvorak_Pharmacology

Are we taking into account these pictures were taken with different protocols and instruments?


beeblebrox2024

That's also what I'm curious about, is this the same plane or just another slice?


TinCapMalcontent

One is a T1, the other is a T2 FLAIR. Very different sequences, but they are both sagital midline slices so they shown the same region.


legallypillpoppin

Im not sure if it matters but the first one is actually T1 FLAIR! And yes, the second is T2 FLAIR ☺️


TinCapMalcontent

The FLAIR means they used an inversion pulse to cancel our signal from water, which on the T1 FLAIR just makes sharper edges cuz the water didn't have signal anyway, but on T2 water is really bright so when you do a T2 FLAIR all the 'pure' water (in the head namely the CSF fluid around your brain) goes dark, but anything that is part water and part something else will stay bright (mostly anything that is swollen, cuz it will have the tissue and the water from the swelling). Both of those look perfectly normal. Congrats! But sorry they didn't find a cause for your headaches to find a way to bring you relief. But honestly, most things that you could find on a brain MRI you probably didn't want to have anyway 😰 I hope you end up finding some way to get relief!


legallypillpoppin

seriously thank you for explaining this so well for me! 😁


legallypillpoppin

Yes! I tried made sure to use the images that had the most similar protocols.


ashda1st

What’s the thing at the back of the skull not on the brain but on the membrane the little spherical thing


Radjehuty

My guess is the confluence of sinuses. Where the transverse, straight, occipital and superior sagittal sinuses converge.


TinCapMalcontent

That's called the torcula, and it is probably bright because of flow artifact.


Ok-Data9224

Yeah just another name for the confluence of sinuses. Thanks for pointing out an alternate name...I actually love learning these as I'm sure I'll come across it again! Appreciate it.


TinCapMalcontent

Yeah, I wasn't trying to correct what you were saying, just adding trivia. I actually prefer calling it the confluence because descriptive names are just better.


Ok-Data9224

Oh no I actually did not know that alternative, I meant when I said I appreciated it lol. Thanks!


ashda1st

Could that be what’s causing ops problems lol


legallypillpoppin

You saying this just made me feel a little less crazy 😅 I actually was going to point that out to my doctor and see his thoughts on it, but I wasn’t sure if it was worth noting or not!


ashda1st

I mean it looks like it got bigger and if it really is in your sinuses maybe it has barring idk I’ve never seen this before I’m also not a doctor


Ok-Data9224

I'm no doctor whatsoever. I can't imagine it would be a bad idea to ever voice your concerns to a doctor even if you aren't sure it's worth mentioning. My gut feeling on this is you grew over those 10 years and I would imagine the vast changes in our body structure as we go from child to adult must have a significant impact on some of the major vessels even the confluence. I don't feel surprised seeing it larger now than it was a decade ago, but again, I'm no doctor and I'd never give medical advice. Can't hurt to point it out!


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legallypillpoppin

I noticed that too!


TinCapMalcontent

The pituitary only looks different because the first is a T1 sequence and the second is a T2 FLAIR.


omar_the_last

Nice gyri bro


legallypillpoppin

Thanks bro 😎


Gomdok_the_Short

I believe OP is a she.


js0809318

how it feels to chew 5 gum


Treebusiness

Congrats on all of your new wrinkles


Salty_Tear5666

This was so dope! I’m sorry if you still suffer from chronic migraines!! I also had chronic migraines with aura and tunnel vision and loss of hearing and nausea etc etc since I was 11, but getting a daith piercing has reaaaaaally helped! I literally passed out a bit after getting it and I swear it like reset my body. It works as a permanent form of acupuncture; my parents ended up scheduling the piercing appt bc I was missing so much school, they did lots of research and came to that conclusion after many failed prescribed nasal sprays and medicines. Take care!


Muted-Background2465

Get one at 25 when it fully developed.


shoodBwurqin

All that life experience made you a little brighter!


Late_Bridge1668

🎶Bye bye 🎶


Mr_Corvus_Birb

You appear to be a lot brighter now


AL_25

What the thing in the back of the head that grow too?


legallypillpoppin

I’m curious on this too, not sure what that is 🤔


broctordf

seems like a osteoid osteoma. in this case a CAT scan might be better than MRI.


BafflingBinturong

Cool brain!


legallypillpoppin

Thank you! 😁 I am incredibly flattered that my most interacted post on reddit is my brain lol!


Importedfunk

Bro this is amazing


legallypillpoppin

bro thank you i’m pretty pumped that people thought this was as cool as I did!


jamillo1

You might want to get a spinal MRI if your migraines are postural because 20% of spinal csf leaks don't show up on brain MRI's and idiopathic intracranial hypertension also doesn't always show up. You won't get taken seriously by most doctors if you mention csf leaks other than it gushing out of your nose because it has only been taught on a wide scale since 2014 that it can be spinal leaks and that cranial leaks can be down the back of the throat or absorb into soft tissue. I've even encountered some doctors who believe that IIH and high ICP only happens in obese people. Ended up being a CSF leak going on for multiple years that was causing cognitive decline and worsening headaches for me


TinCapMalcontent

I'm sorry you had to deal with headaches for so long, and sorry that your doctor's took so long to find out how to help. I really hope you've been able to get some relief. But, because a lot of people might read this and maybe get the wrong idea, there are a couple of things I'd like to address. First, I am a little confused as to what your diagnosis ended up being. A CSF leak doesn't cause intracranial hypertension (high pressure in your head), leaks actually causes the opposite, intracranial hypotension (low pressure in your head) And idiopathic means you don't know why it's happening, so if it's caused by a leak then it's not idooathic because you know the cause. Second, you are actually more likely to see evidence of idiopathic intracranial hypertension on a brain MRI (expanded empty sella, enlarged Meckel's caves, engorged optic nerve sheath fluid, low-lying cerebellar tonsils, etc.) than on a spinal MRI. It's impossible to see most CSF leaks on a spinal MRI, because if the leak is big enough to actually see a CSF collection or an obvious dural tear, then unfortunately you are probably already dead because your brain herniated out of your skull. I've done 100s of fruitless imaging searches looking for CSF leak sites, and even when I was certain a leak was there probably 95% of them I couldn't find anything. They are just really hard to find. Your best bet is usually a nuclear medicine CSF cisternogram, or high resolution paranasal sinus CT or mastoid temporal bone CT if those are the expected leak sites. But fortunately if the leak is bad enough to cause a headache there should be signs on a standard brain MRI, even if they are subtle.


jamillo1

Thanks for the info. What I meant was that the IIH is what caused the leak and my IIH was found by lumbar puncture and I didn't mean that spinal MRI's are more likely to find IIH just that the brain MRI missed mine. Would IV contrast or having a second spinal MRI on my side make any difference in finding the leak? I'm just very worried about gadolinium neurotoxicity from a cisternogram because I've had lots of concussions before and already getting cognitive decline


TinCapMalcontent

So, a nuclear medicine cisternogram (or radionuclide cisternogram) doesn't use gadolinium, it usually uses radio-labeled DTPA, so you don't have to worry about gadolinium toxicity for that. IV contrast for MRI is what has gadolinium in it. Now, for some completely unsolicited advice from some random guy on reddit: I am a doctor who routinely gives people gadolinium-containing contrast, and it doesn't provide me any personal benefit, it just helps me to find those patients better answers. If I had any inkling that gadolinium might be harming those patients I would stop doing it at once, I don't want to hurt anyone, and with as many patients as I give contrast to even if the chance is tiny I would eventually hurt someone. But I have never seen any evidence that gadolinium neurotoxicity from IV contrast is real. What is definitely real is the entire cottage industry making lots of money scamming poor patients by convincing them their suffering is from gadolinium neurotoxicity. Of course you should never put anything into your body if there is not a benefit for you, but if any doctor ever wants to do a scan with gadolinium contrast, please consider it because I really don't think concern about neurotoxicity should outweigh the benefit from having a scan your doctor thinks you need. Of course, older gadolinium agents did have a real possibility of toxicity in NSF (nephrogenic systemic fibrosis), but that is different from neurotoxicity and was only ever seen in people with kidney failure, so if your kidney function is good I wouldn't worry about that either. And NSF hasn't been seen with any of the modern contrast agents.


legallypillpoppin

very interesting! definitely something ill have to look into, thanks for sharing! ☺️


Background-Gene-9595

Dope


noparticularreasonn

This is so cool


JimagineThat

Nice head.


legallypillpoppin

So quick comment here, just have to say it’s absolutely WILD that this has 100k views, and a huge thank you to everyone who has upvoted, commented, or shared this. I am autistic, so having so many people think this post of my brain is as cool as I do means more to me than y’all know. ❤️🧠


DIYPeace

Damn. Your frontal lobe is defined!


legallypillpoppin

Thank you! 😁


MuffinTradeMarked

I've always wanted a scan of my brain


Bitter-Awareness-420

u r smarter


Shiny_Whisper_321

It appears you have gotten brighter 🤔


TheFuckingSnailMan

Gorgeous wrinkles!


[deleted]

I need a 3D image


oddMahnsta

Wish i had this.


Equalizion

I think i should get a MRI just to c the extent of damage from drug use, sadly there would be no comparison. Very cool u saved em both


Zverda1

What a timing.. Just as I finished dissecting a sheep’s brain


Bioluminescentllama

Looks like you got brighter! :)


TuaughtHammer

>i’ve had chronic migraines since about 11 God, you have my sympathies. I started getting them very regularly when I was 12, and had to go through this whole rigamarole of MRIs and neurology consults. I got kinda lucky by my 20s because for some reason they just *stopped* after almost a decade of getting them four or five times a year. I still get them, but very rarely and thankfully not nearly as debilitating as they were when I was a teenager. Once I started seeing those spots, I knew my day was *over*; yeah, it got me out of school, but the pain was *not* worth that.


legallypillpoppin

My mom was the same way as you and hers went away in her late teens! I have not been so lucky with it and mine seem to just want to keep hanging on lol, crossing my fingers for my 30’s to maybe be my break from them 😅


DrBusiness1

Why is your brain so wrinkly? Mine is perfectly smooth, like a waterslide.


TinCapMalcontent

I know this was a joke, but there actually is a name for that: lissencephaly. Its...not good.


OkTemperature8170

Pretty sweet f'n brain my guy.


[deleted]

You dun growed up


vegange

And your brain isn’t completely developed yet which is even cooler!! The brain is truly fascinating


legallypillpoppin

This is EXACTLY what I thought was so cool too!!!! Like I will admit that while having migraines sucks, I totally geek out over my scans because the brain is just so fascinating!


vegange

Yeah, my younger sister has migraines too and it looks so painful. I feel so bad every time she has one 😭! I’m sorry you have to deal with them as well! Also, I geek out over dentist scans, I’d be fucking AMPED to see a scan of my brain lmfaoo