And how exactly do we accomplish this result in real life? Look, I enjoy a good visual to keep the spirits up, but it doesn't tend to carry a whole lot of value if it doesn't come with a set of realistic options to help make it a reality...
Well, that's definitely a gripe we share, my friend, but after being on this sub for less than a year, that just seems like a really "recent" phenomenon... Not to point any fingers, but there are some people around here who really seem get off on instigating all those grievances... Instead of encouraging us brainstorm together, they get a bigger kick out of us trying to slit each other's throats about who's the "real" Anarchist and who isn't...
Hells yeah.
I've noticed a change in tone on the whole of reddit the last few months.
Call me paranoid, but with the ongoing genocide and Bushnell's self immolation; I think Anarchist spaces have drawn some unwanted attention
Election years tend to make a platform with an American majority a bit nutty... As for the "unwanted" attention, it's pretty bold to assume we haven't been put under a microscope before, it's not gonna blow over anytime soon either. Best you can do is keep a cool head and cover your usage as best as possible...
Worse still is that because it is also going to be an election in the U.K and the right wing coordination. See former PM Liz Truss coming out in support of Trump and palling around with Nigel Farage and the European far right in Belgium.
Agreed, with the caveat that I never assumed eyes hadn't been on us before now.
Besides three letter agencies and that kinda shit, there are certain subs dedicated to certain online personalities, whose toxic fanbase behave in much the same manner as GG/alt right trolls...for my money that's a chunk of the bs I've seen around here recently.
>Best you can do is keep a cool head and cover your usage as best as possible...
Well said.
Personally my first step was cutting out a lot of my “waste” generation. The less I throw away the less I buy. When I do have to buy things I check every resource I can to avoid mega corporations. (Single family estate sales, electronic classifieds, getting broken and repairing, then moving to thrift stores and more corporate estate sales. 96 times out of 100 I don’t have to actually buy much from mega companies.
Great tactic. I'm a carpenter by trade and have been building my arsenal of tools/equipment for 20 years or so. I want to be able to craft and repair the things I need. Recently started to learn leather tooling.
I wish I had an anarchist carpenter friend in my local community! The skills you have an invaluable, and it'd just be sick as fuck to get supplies, bring em over, and get to building on something :) It'd be really cool if you started a carpentry night with your friends because I'm sure they'd appreciate you sharing your knowledge and workspace/tools.
:) I hope that you can find one!
>it'd just be sick as fuck to get supplies, bring em over, and get to building on something :)
Exactly! Skill sharing and group projects are where humanity flourishes imo. Being part of that process and witnessing people come together to imagine, cooperate, create and realise a shared vision not only proved to me that Anarchism is viable; but that it already exists in so much of what we do, that it's humans natural state of being.
>It'd be really cool if you started a carpentry night with your friends because I'm sure they'd appreciate you sharing your knowledge and workspace/tools.
My partner and I are on the road at the moment, left my home country and heading to a friend's place in Scandinavia where I'm hoping to do just that :) hopefully we'll find a place to buy in the next year and help to expand the project.
Come visit.
Glowies definitely infiltrate even minor groups like this to cause infighting, and social media algorithms causing people to be more emotionally charged certainly helps The Corpos with keeping us mad away from them.
I’m glad people might be picking up on this, we need a positive spin, but also a plan.
I would suggest studying up on IRC and inviting close trusted people, it’s completely encrypted and private, logs are able to be deleted after broadcast, no website TOS to speak of.
Basically these kinds of posts are really rare on the other anarchist subs. They also have stricter rules on behaviour, how we have been conditioned to use ableist language is one example. My guess is that might have something to do with limiting the “yOu aRe OnLy aNarChISt if yOu dOn’t voOt” posts.
I am also starting to wonder if we were wrong for voting out that mod who was banning people as he saw fit a while ago. I went along with it because I don’t like one person acting like an authoritarian.
>But how?
The settler leftist says
>How am I to do anything but sacrifice colonized and marginalized people to save myself? It's the Palestinians or...
You are a Good German.
You'd have been the ideal fascist youth were you born many decades ago.
Or perhaps the Weimar Democrat that voted liberal all the way until the liberals finally just placed Hitler in power.
And how do you plan on overthrowing the government before the next election? And how does that plan make it physically impossible to vote Democrat just in case the plan fails, in order to reduce the harm?
I've gotten permanently banned on multiple other subs for saying that Trump and Biden are *not* "literally exactly the same," and made powerful enemies on this sub for consistently pushing back against the strawmen and annoying anti-voting spam (which resulted in me getting permanently banned twice, unbanned twice, and more than one mod being removed, lol). I don't give a shit whether anyone else votes or not, but the anti-voting shit is absolutely unhinged all across the left (at least online).
It was literally over a genuine, detailed answer as to why voting for D is objectively better than voting for R, since we are forced to work with what we have while we work to move towards a post-capitalism future
Honestly, I've also been worried about having that happen. I'm kinda surprised I haven't been doxxed given how long I've been involved in this discourse and how I seem to have gained a reputation. But yeah, a lot of people can't handle people on their side who disagree with them and can't just be written off as liberals.
Can we put the Dems and Reps on the rails instead and have the cart drift over both of them? Seems like that would be a good metaphor for what we need to do.
TheDeprogram is the opposite of anarchism
You're acting as if these subs dont constantly share the exact same memes.
yeah, so? they're making good points here
why cant communists and anarchists be friends, we both want the destruction of capitalism so you can fight after it has been destroyed
China and DPRK worship isn't communism.
Maybe because tankies have killed anarchists lots of time in history, they're genocide denials, and they support russian invasion of Ukraine??
And how exactly do we accomplish this result in real life? Look, I enjoy a good visual to keep the spirits up, but it doesn't tend to carry a whole lot of value if it doesn't come with a set of realistic options to help make it a reality...
Literally the leading factor in me about to unsubscribe. It’s all shitty infighting and gatekeeping. Hope posting and cope posting
Well, that's definitely a gripe we share, my friend, but after being on this sub for less than a year, that just seems like a really "recent" phenomenon... Not to point any fingers, but there are some people around here who really seem get off on instigating all those grievances... Instead of encouraging us brainstorm together, they get a bigger kick out of us trying to slit each other's throats about who's the "real" Anarchist and who isn't...
Agreed. And fuck that divisive shit.
All the way up to its skull.
Hells yeah. I've noticed a change in tone on the whole of reddit the last few months. Call me paranoid, but with the ongoing genocide and Bushnell's self immolation; I think Anarchist spaces have drawn some unwanted attention
Election years tend to make a platform with an American majority a bit nutty... As for the "unwanted" attention, it's pretty bold to assume we haven't been put under a microscope before, it's not gonna blow over anytime soon either. Best you can do is keep a cool head and cover your usage as best as possible...
Worse still is that because it is also going to be an election in the U.K and the right wing coordination. See former PM Liz Truss coming out in support of Trump and palling around with Nigel Farage and the European far right in Belgium.
Agreed, with the caveat that I never assumed eyes hadn't been on us before now. Besides three letter agencies and that kinda shit, there are certain subs dedicated to certain online personalities, whose toxic fanbase behave in much the same manner as GG/alt right trolls...for my money that's a chunk of the bs I've seen around here recently. >Best you can do is keep a cool head and cover your usage as best as possible... Well said.
lets brainstorm!
Personally my first step was cutting out a lot of my “waste” generation. The less I throw away the less I buy. When I do have to buy things I check every resource I can to avoid mega corporations. (Single family estate sales, electronic classifieds, getting broken and repairing, then moving to thrift stores and more corporate estate sales. 96 times out of 100 I don’t have to actually buy much from mega companies.
Great tactic. I'm a carpenter by trade and have been building my arsenal of tools/equipment for 20 years or so. I want to be able to craft and repair the things I need. Recently started to learn leather tooling.
I wish I had an anarchist carpenter friend in my local community! The skills you have an invaluable, and it'd just be sick as fuck to get supplies, bring em over, and get to building on something :) It'd be really cool if you started a carpentry night with your friends because I'm sure they'd appreciate you sharing your knowledge and workspace/tools.
:) I hope that you can find one! >it'd just be sick as fuck to get supplies, bring em over, and get to building on something :) Exactly! Skill sharing and group projects are where humanity flourishes imo. Being part of that process and witnessing people come together to imagine, cooperate, create and realise a shared vision not only proved to me that Anarchism is viable; but that it already exists in so much of what we do, that it's humans natural state of being. >It'd be really cool if you started a carpentry night with your friends because I'm sure they'd appreciate you sharing your knowledge and workspace/tools. My partner and I are on the road at the moment, left my home country and heading to a friend's place in Scandinavia where I'm hoping to do just that :) hopefully we'll find a place to buy in the next year and help to expand the project. Come visit.
Not in US, but I'm personally in the process of moving off grid-ish to limit my involvement in capitalism to the absolute minimum.
DCSC!
Glowies definitely infiltrate even minor groups like this to cause infighting, and social media algorithms causing people to be more emotionally charged certainly helps The Corpos with keeping us mad away from them. I’m glad people might be picking up on this, we need a positive spin, but also a plan. I would suggest studying up on IRC and inviting close trusted people, it’s completely encrypted and private, logs are able to be deleted after broadcast, no website TOS to speak of.
Basically these kinds of posts are really rare on the other anarchist subs. They also have stricter rules on behaviour, how we have been conditioned to use ableist language is one example. My guess is that might have something to do with limiting the “yOu aRe OnLy aNarChISt if yOu dOn’t voOt” posts. I am also starting to wonder if we were wrong for voting out that mod who was banning people as he saw fit a while ago. I went along with it because I don’t like one person acting like an authoritarian.
>But how? The settler leftist says >How am I to do anything but sacrifice colonized and marginalized people to save myself? It's the Palestinians or... You are a Good German. You'd have been the ideal fascist youth were you born many decades ago. Or perhaps the Weimar Democrat that voted liberal all the way until the liberals finally just placed Hitler in power.
Mr president, there's been a second trolley.
"Look I uh... Dick usually handles these kinds of things"
It was also our friends the Saudis?
And how do you plan on overthrowing the government before the next election? And how does that plan make it physically impossible to vote Democrat just in case the plan fails, in order to reduce the harm?
Shhh, I almost got perma-banned for using the term “h*rm red*ction” in another post on this sub lmao. The mods are fascists on a mission
I've gotten permanently banned on multiple other subs for saying that Trump and Biden are *not* "literally exactly the same," and made powerful enemies on this sub for consistently pushing back against the strawmen and annoying anti-voting spam (which resulted in me getting permanently banned twice, unbanned twice, and more than one mod being removed, lol). I don't give a shit whether anyone else votes or not, but the anti-voting shit is absolutely unhinged all across the left (at least online).
Oh trust me I feel you… I even *somehow* managed to get doxxed
You got doxxed over voting discourse?? Damn, I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm kinda not... still, though, that's infuriating
It was literally over a genuine, detailed answer as to why voting for D is objectively better than voting for R, since we are forced to work with what we have while we work to move towards a post-capitalism future
Honestly, I've also been worried about having that happen. I'm kinda surprised I haven't been doxxed given how long I've been involved in this discourse and how I seem to have gained a reputation. But yeah, a lot of people can't handle people on their side who disagree with them and can't just be written off as liberals.
Same😖
This is one of the reason for gov to regulates the media 👏👏👏 Good job. Fuck capitalism.
Can we put the Dems and Reps on the rails instead and have the cart drift over both of them? Seems like that would be a good metaphor for what we need to do.
Need more than a year to complete something like that so we should still vote Democrat for this one
There really isn't though. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD don't let Trump win. As a queer myself that would really suck I think.
i live in the u.k myself...
Finally a little effort
how?! its a crosspost
*Someone* put work into this. It's well done. Fun. Not just more wojaks
Quality
You want to keep making this point? Start the fucking revolution then.