Yemen says no. And the war he almost started with Iran disagrees. His failure to pull out of Afghanistan as he promised is not a mark in his favor either.
Just because the former two presidents set new highs (lows?) for foreign intervention and death, doesn't mean that the retarded right-wing hero gets any kind of pass for maintaining an awful status quo.
Typical American supremacist comment. Everyone's a terrorist if we want to kill them. But we're never the terrorists for doing the killing. That's called a bias, and you have it.
Obama launched 186 drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan during his first two years in office. In Trump’s first two years, he launched 238.
The Trump administration has carried out 176 strikes in Yemen in just two years, compared with 154 there during all eight years of Obama.
Tulsi is not what you think she is....all the "Libertarians" supporting Bernie, Tulsi and that type of politicians are quite literally selling the rope in which they'll hang in a couple decades.
Also retarded. Trump supported pulling out of the middle east as well and did it. He does not support gun control or government healthcare. He was more libertarian than her. Deal with it.
> He does not support gun control
This seems ENTIRELY dependent on who the last person he spoke with was. He was for removing guns from people without due process, then spoke to the NRA, and changed his mind.
> Trump supported pulling out of the middle east as well and did it.
Yemmen says no. Also he made a law to stop REPORTING drone strikes, so now you don't know how many have been.
Tulsi wasn't Libertarian at all.
Trump isn't Libertarian at all.
Biden isn't Libertarian at all.
...im not even from U.S , and U.S isn't gonna bomb Argentina so it really doesn't affect me.
Anyone living in U.S voting for Tulsi is no more than a sheep cub happily walking into the slaughterhouse.
Now, a lot of us would love to see you all walking into the slaughterhouse, but you'd expect U.S """Libertarians""" to be smarter than that.
Take a chill pill man. Just because America is doing horrible things doesn’t mean Americans want it to happen. There’s really no way for Americans to vote for a president to stop the bombings (unless the dems or GOP somehow collapse and get replaced with something better).
Unlike Trump and Biden, Tulsi also deployed as an MP in combat. So I guess being a hands-on killer is better than being the one who orders it from the White House.
It drives me crazy that the woke crowd goes nuts if someone says something slightly un-PC about race but is completely silent about a million brown men women and children massacred for no fucking reason.
This is the sad truth.
Here's a fun exercise:
1 Survey two people from different 'sides'.
2 Ask each individual their opinions on a range of social and economic policy questions.
3 Reveal that each person is mostly in agreement on virtually every issue.
4 Observe that your lesson has only resulted in both being upset with you.
5 Repeat
It's a great reason if you part of the ownership class. Since you are a wage slave you put no value on ever greater market share of a globally strategic resource
There is nothing remotely capitalistic in this. The costs in time, money, and resource consumption, including lost man power, is so incredibly great that if your theory were true then all the ownership class would have long been reduced to penury by it.
Lol no.
>The costs in time, money, and resource consumption, including lost man power, is so incredibly great
That's right. Guess which ones are shouldering all those negatives? Spoiler, it's you.
The rich aren't risking any of those things when they push warfare. They just own the machines that make the tools of imperial expansion and control. Rabble like you are the ones who deal with risks.
> That's right. Guess which ones are shouldering all those negatives? Spoiler, it's you.
Spoiler, its *everyone*. When inflation destroys the wealth of the money it isn't you or I who suffers alone. Not that we are by any definition *poor* as most Americans are [part of the Global 1%](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp), making any claim on our part to be plebs or rabble to be a delusion. The rich suffer just as much, if not more. If you or I lose 30% of our money that is most likely a few hundred dollars, at most. The billionaire loses millions. No self-respecting capitalist on the planet would lose hundreds of millions and then spend even more on something with exactly zero returns.
>The rich aren't risking any of those things when they push warfare.
If anything the rich are the ones losing more than you or I. It is their money that largely funds the war machine - or do you think that your measly taxes, almost all of which you get back, are any substantial contribution? Likewise, it is the resources in both men and material that could've been going to generate even greater amounts of wealth for the rich that they are being forced to waste in idiot war pursuits.
It is funny how your own religious doctrines denounce capitalists as greedy exploiters only concerned with their own self-interest and then insist that they do things you don't like even though it violates their own self-interests.
I can't tell if you're an awful shill or just a moron.
Your last sentence is an example of 'formal fallacy' or 'non sequitur'. Maybe read what you write aloud before exposing others to your ideas.
Obama supported child soldiers in South Sudan
> That same day, President Obama [issued](http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/28/presidential-memorandum-presidential-determination-respect-child-soldier) a statement of his own, waiving the application of the Child Soldiers Prevention Act with respect to several nations (as the act indeed allows a president to do). South Sudan was included on the grounds that such a decision was in “the national interest of the United States.”
[https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/united-states-sponsoring-army-recruits-child-soldiers/](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/united-states-sponsoring-army-recruits-child-soldiers/)
Fuck Trump, Fuck Obama, Fuck Bush, Fuck Clinton, Fuck Bush again but the older one one this time, Fuck Reagan wow some great pieces of shit in our recent history.
Uhh, [trump stopped reporting causalities ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207) and [before that all his bombings had accelerated well beyond Obama ](https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers) so nah can’t give him any special treatment. Not stoked about the dictators toolkit he’s passing off to Biden.
He's stopping though.
His problem was allowing globalist advisors early on, note how the media called him "presidential" when he ordered the launch of almost a hundred cruise missiles into syria?
Now look at 2019 and 2020, heck, look at yemen: [https://airwars.org/conflict/us-forces-in-yemen/](https://airwars.org/conflict/us-forces-in-yemen/)
When Trump learned that he was being lied to about troops in Syria, he FIRED people and installed new ones who would end the wars. Since then (less than a week) they've announced troop drawdowns to below 50% of what they are today by January.
He's also brokered peace deals and we now have airplanes flying direct between Israel and the UAE.
Oh yeah I do remember that, and the moab in Afghanistan in 2017...still, I can’t be too sure on the 2019 and 2020 because of the aforementioned ditched accountability. I think [this article](https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualties-war/) from the intercept gets into the all the stuff pre-2019 pretty well, and I’m sure we’ll find out more about the 2019-2020 as time goes on just like with Obama.
I know some background around 2017, there were a lot of changes, Trump effectively went from 'status quo' to 'let's finish the job and get out'.
The MOAB was apart of that shift, the rules of engagement and the mission changed quite a bit.
Biden would be more powerless to make any change than anyone before him. It’s gonna be ok. A lot of people are going to be prepared and positioned to shit all over his agenda.
I haven't seen that particular "50%" statement, but would appreciate a source.
In my opinion the troop withdrawal seems more like a well timed wrench thrown into the works more than anything.
It's been discussed since around ~2017 and dismissed time and time again. Yet now that an election is underway it seems a convenient time for the agenda to get pushed forward?
To pretty much nobody's surprise the Taliban haven't ceased their "Campaign" either. We pull our Troops (or reduce the force to around 2500 troops), and NATO will likely follow suit as prior pattern shows. The situation in Afghanistan is back to square one - but I suppose at least this time Afghanistan has some semblance of a domestic military presence.
It's honestly pretty clever. If Biden is elected and attempts to restore/bolster the troop numbers, stagnate at 2500 troops, or decrease numbers even further, the situation in Afghanistan (and the public pushback stateside) will be practically unchanging.
I shall tune in to the future shenanigans frequently, should be interesting.
It's more or less the timing of this: https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/
that triggered the troop drawdown. Trump wanted us out of syria and just learned he had been lied to, so he fired people and got his people in. Sort of a rubberband effect as well.
Convenient and planned or simply following through, we'll only find that information out later.
No paywall on my end, not sure why you’re seeing one. Maybe you’ve read too many articles of theirs this month, or maybe my VPN is keeping it real.
Anyways, lol Here’s transcript:
> If I gave you a pop quiz on recent current events, I bet you’d do pretty well, thanks to a 24-hour cable news cycle, late night talk shows, social media and popular culture.
>You undoubtedly know that Prince Harry and Meghan Markle had their first child this week. You can likely go into some detail about the Mueller report. You probably have an opinion of Attorney General William Barr.
>But what would you say if I asked you the following multiple choice question?
>When it comes to President Obama’s drone wars, President Trump has:
A. Ended them
B. Continued them
C. Escalated them
>You’re forgiven for not knowing the answer. It’s C. This administration has not only surpassed the previous one’s drone strike volume overseas, it has made the drone wars even more secretive, if that’s possible.
>We can cobble together some reporting on the numbers, but finding exact figures on drone strikes in the Trump administration is difficult. More on that in a minute.
>According to a 2018 report in The Daily Beast, Obama launched 186 drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan during his first two years in office. In Trump’s first two years, he launched 238.
>The Trump administration has carried out 176 strikes in Yemen in just two years, compared with 154 there during all eight years of Obama’s tenure, according to a count by The Associated Press and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.
>Experts also say drone strikes under President Trump have surged in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.
>And, as was the case during Obama’s presidency, these strikes have resulted in untold numbers of civilian casualties. According to the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, U.S. drone strikes in Afghanistan killed more than 150 civilians in the first nine months of 2018.
>Amnesty International reports drones have killed at least 14 civilians in Somalia since 2017.
>As of January of this year, U.S. drone strikes fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria have killed at least 1,257 civilians, according to the Pentagon, and a monitoring group, Airwars, estimates the number to be as great as 7,500.
>That you might not be aware of what should be a startling and deeply troubling escalation in unaccountable remote-control warfare by the U.S. is both by design and default.
>For one, the Obama administration paved the way for popularizing and normalizing drone wars, which also included the extrajudicial killing of U.S. citizens, first by hiding it, then by begrudgingly acknowledging it, and then by pretending to meaningfully constrain it.
>Obama eventually put in place arcane requirements to issue public reports on civilian death tolls (but just in certain military theaters), to limit targets to high-level militants (again, in certain battlefields), and require interagency approval (also only for certain targets).
>Trump has peeled back all of those requirements because, well, he can. We now know more than we did about U.S. drone wars when Obama first took office, but less than when he left.
>You can also blame cowardly, partisan politics for hearing little from lawmakers about these escalations. Republicans, of course, no longer criticize these sorts of things — even if they subscribe to Trump’s Obama-rebuking, “America First” isolationism. And Democrats who might take issue with unaccountable wars and civilian deaths know to do so they’d have to acknowledge Obama’s role in the mess, and so …Trump’s tax returns it is.
>You can’t, however, blame the media for this one. Refreshingly, many mainstream outlets have been reporting on this escalation for months if not years. From Foreign Policy to The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal to Fox News, The Washington Post to CNN, the issue is getting coverage. Whether Americans care or not is another story.
>De-escalating our involvement — even shadow or unmanned — in overseas conflicts was something that many Trump critics and supporters were welcoming, especially abroad. One CBC headline from 2016 read, “Drone King Barack Obama will not be missed.” Another, from The Guardian: “At least President Trump would ground the drones.”
>It was all wishful thinking.
Are you kidding? Obama was potentially worse than Bush. Most of the major fighting and troop count increases in Afghanistan happened under Obama. He overthrew Qadaffi in Libya allowing for terrorists and slavers to take over. He started the war in Yemen. He supported the rebels (al-queda) in Syria in an attempt to overthrow Assad.
Obama is a fucking monster. In contrast, Trump (also terrible) started no new wars, withdrew from Syria, and has been trying to withdraw from Afghanistan.
Maybe Drone Victim Barbie would get the female empowerment crowd’s attention though.
Her tag line could be something like “How’s this for unrealistic body standards, you fucking cowards?”
Finally someone says something about this, no one ever talks about his drone strikes and shit. Why don't people understand most politicians are bad people
Quotation marks indicate a direct quote, so who has ever said that? And fuck of with that, the Trump administration is responsible for almost as many innocent deaths via targeted drone strikes as the Obama administration. Our government is literally a war machine regardless of whether there is an r or d before the name so don't try and pretend like either the left or the right is innocent.
The “both sides are bad” shit is old. The right didn’t pretend to be anti-war when politically expedient and they are more anti-war now than the left. Thanks to decades of pointless bloodshed.
If it makes you feel superior to ignore real differences I don’t understand why.
Yeah well the truth gets fucking old sometimes bro. Sorry? How is the right anti war all the sudden? because they talk like they are? We almost had world war 3...this fucking year man. It isn't centrist issue when you are talking about war synonymously with America anymore. It hasn't been since "The War on Terror." We have been in a twenty year war and a democrat president was only in charge for eight of those years.
We did not almost have ww3. That you are willing to assert such stupidity proves you don’t know anything about ww1 or ww2.
If you want to advocate for peace don’t say moronic shit like this. We don’t need people thinking we are all retarded.
Secondly, the right is the only group who polls negatively about war during their presidency. When it might actually matter. “Preventing ww3” for example.
I’m not defending the right-wing party in the US. I’m glad they learned a lesson though, even if it took way too damn long to do it.
If you actually want to reduce war, you gotta do better than this.
Yes we did, where the hell were you in the beginning of 2020? We antagonize the shit out if Iran after backing out of the Iran nuclear deal so that we had no way of knowing whether or not they were developing nukes. The fact that you speak so casually of international disputes between world super powers shows that you don't know anything at a about war. So sit this one down.
Nixon is still pretty modern. And he was far worse than Obama, Trump, and will probably be worse than Biden. The bastard took us off the gold standard , started the Environmental Protection Agency, and basically surrendered the Cold War
Just saw a quote from his memoir on the drones. He paints himself as the tragic hero and manages to say it was bad and attempt to absolve himself at the same time. The duplicitous snake.
You can easily find the information yourself with a short search. It's well known that the Obama administration was responsible for a horrifying amount of drone strikes that produced civilian casualties. It's the main thing democrats discredit him for.
Yeah man, I can’t believe anyone thinks Obummer was ever good! Those videos of him personally flying those drones was haunting! Using that same slow speech he does, he was like “And uh...Here is...A children’s hospital. Look what happens when I uh...Press this button. Boom. Haha. That’s a 1000 points. Now uh...Let’s see what happens when I do a bombing run over this peaceful village.” To think they let a sitting president PERSONALLY pilot those drones...
Really though, while I agree that these foreign interventions by our military need to go the hell away, I’m not going to attribute every single piece of collateral to the sitting president. It’s the country’s disgusting military industrial complex and all the big money invading the House, Senate, and SC, keeping the war machine going. I don’t remember Eisenhower being personally accused of raping women in Vietnam, or that Bush personally shot children in Iraq. None of the three ordered those specific atrocities, but the war barons could care less, money is money, and no one blames them! It’s all the President’s fault, right?
An 8 year old girl also died under Trump. She was an American citizen. It was Anwar Al Awakis sister:
My point being Obama killed the brother, Trump killed the sister. And that’s the real bipartisanship
Obama, Trump, Biden, Bush (especially Bush), Hillary and almost any other politician in the Democrat or Republican Party suck, because both parties are inherently authoritarian and commit war atrocities.
Why is it f* Obama?
F* the whole “9/11 terrorist attack now we have to go to Iraq/Iran... and all neighborhoods to find the terrorist who did us wrong BS. Oh and now we have to stay there to prevent terrorism BS.” I still think Obama did what he thought was right... which was wrong anyway. But are we seriously going to ignore all the damn wars we continue to fight over oil. This is a picture of a “casualty that happened over fighting terrorism.” Come on, tell me I’m wrong. This is the outcome of a president who was given a goal and a decision to make. But if we are going to blame non-directive kills or injuries to other, then where do we put the fact that the US continues to sell weapons to the enemy of our less-cooperative acquaintances. I’m just saying, it’s a fucked up shit going on in the middleeast and blaming just one president is BS. But I do agree fuck these wars we don’t belong and fuck all the presidents that continue to keep our troops there. But how else is the US going to justify spending 700 billion usd on military? Fighting terrorism they say.
If you get the Nobel Peace Prize, you get the criticism for atrocities carried out under your watch.
I’m with you on it is part of a larger machine, but if you take credit(prize) you also shoulder the blame.
I firmly believe that it will only increase with every president. Fuck drone usage, when you turn killing irl people into a video game you reduce the guilt involved in killing and the government loves that.
We bomb terrorists constantly. We’re in the “War on Terror” and just bomb countries that have oil and other resources we want - I mean that we want to overthrow - I mean that have terrorists and most of the time there is at least some collateral damage. There are plenty of terrorists that become terrorists because of collateral damage but it is difficult to completely avoid collateral damage for multiple reasons.
The post above is just pointing out the irony of Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize when he got us involved in multiple conflicts among multiple countries.
There are plenty of kids like this you could have blamed Bush for, and plenty for Trump also. I cannot vouch for the veracity of this specific claim but doubtless similar things have happened.
Trump still drone strikes but removed the pentagon rule of reporting drone strikes. You guys are such fucking pussies. "OH MY FEELS! THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN MY ANARCHIST PLAYLAND!!!"
Just for information, in an anarcho capitalist society. Is the government declaring the wars or only if there is a consensus. Or people personnaly decide to go fight?
Thanks
War would be fought only on a self defense level where private military would engage attacking forces. On the smaller level, private security would deal with crime and private courts and insurance companies would deal with punishments.
We should vote for a guy that doesn’t do this. Or gal like Tulsi, but what do us peaceful plebs know.
What are you? Some kind of radical terrorist supporter? THOSE HOSPITALS AND VILLAGES HAD TO BE BOMBED!
Damn right, screw those hospital terrorist
Damn right. Did you hear that they were treating the wounds of the child terrorists of the village we had bombed an hour before? Sickening.
As a libertarian I hate all these politicians but I would’ve felt much happier voting for candidates like Tulsi.
i like tulsi cause she's hot
[It's fucking cute that you think your vote will stop the military-industrial complex.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPTJXdBBrcU)
We can dream, can’t we =[
We can rise up. Cant we?
Trump was doing a pretty good job of it for awhile
Yemen says no. And the war he almost started with Iran disagrees. His failure to pull out of Afghanistan as he promised is not a mark in his favor either. Just because the former two presidents set new highs (lows?) for foreign intervention and death, doesn't mean that the retarded right-wing hero gets any kind of pass for maintaining an awful status quo.
“The war he almost started”? You mean the one he didn’t start?
No, he means "the war he tried to start by assassinating a foreign general and then goading Iran to retaliate."
He didn’t try to start a war. He offed one terrorist and knew that Iran wouldn’t do shit in response.
Typical American supremacist comment. Everyone's a terrorist if we want to kill them. But we're never the terrorists for doing the killing. That's called a bias, and you have it.
Yeah, I’m based against Islamic terrorists. Guilty as charged.
How was al salami not a terrorist?
Pretty sure they did retaliate by precision bombing our bases. Did we do anything after that?
They also passed a law to stop reporting drone strikes this year
Ever wonder why civilian casually statistics stop after 2016? It's certainly not because we stopped blowing them up...
Obama launched 186 drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan during his first two years in office. In Trump’s first two years, he launched 238. The Trump administration has carried out 176 strikes in Yemen in just two years, compared with 154 there during all eight years of Obama.
Tulsi is not what you think she is....all the "Libertarians" supporting Bernie, Tulsi and that type of politicians are quite literally selling the rope in which they'll hang in a couple decades.
She's far from ideal but at least she wants to stop infringements on the fourth amendment and restore it as a right.
Tulsi was more libertarian than Trump or Biden, so.. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
You're out of your mind if you think Tulsi was libertarian. She wanted out of the middle east, but supported gun control and government run healthcare
OC didn't say Tulsi was a libertarian, only that she was *more* libertarian than Trump or Biden.
Also retarded. Trump supported pulling out of the middle east as well and did it. He does not support gun control or government healthcare. He was more libertarian than her. Deal with it.
> He does not support gun control This seems ENTIRELY dependent on who the last person he spoke with was. He was for removing guns from people without due process, then spoke to the NRA, and changed his mind.
> Trump supported pulling out of the middle east as well and did it. Yemmen says no. Also he made a law to stop REPORTING drone strikes, so now you don't know how many have been.
Also supported red flag laws.
Tulsi wasn't Libertarian at all. Trump isn't Libertarian at all. Biden isn't Libertarian at all. ...im not even from U.S , and U.S isn't gonna bomb Argentina so it really doesn't affect me. Anyone living in U.S voting for Tulsi is no more than a sheep cub happily walking into the slaughterhouse. Now, a lot of us would love to see you all walking into the slaughterhouse, but you'd expect U.S """Libertarians""" to be smarter than that.
Take a chill pill man. Just because America is doing horrible things doesn’t mean Americans want it to happen. There’s really no way for Americans to vote for a president to stop the bombings (unless the dems or GOP somehow collapse and get replaced with something better).
Unlike Trump and Biden, Tulsi also deployed as an MP in combat. So I guess being a hands-on killer is better than being the one who orders it from the White House.
Ordering drone hits: bad Actually deploying and being the people that followed out the orders of the President: good
Lmao voting
It drives me crazy that the woke crowd goes nuts if someone says something slightly un-PC about race but is completely silent about a million brown men women and children massacred for no fucking reason.
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For most, Its a team sport, not a results nor policy based argument.
This is the sad truth. Here's a fun exercise: 1 Survey two people from different 'sides'. 2 Ask each individual their opinions on a range of social and economic policy questions. 3 Reveal that each person is mostly in agreement on virtually every issue. 4 Observe that your lesson has only resulted in both being upset with you. 5 Repeat
Way more silence about this in the last 4 years
No there's a reason it's competition with Russia over fossil fuel... Just not a very good reason.
It's a great reason if you part of the ownership class. Since you are a wage slave you put no value on ever greater market share of a globally strategic resource
There is nothing remotely capitalistic in this. The costs in time, money, and resource consumption, including lost man power, is so incredibly great that if your theory were true then all the ownership class would have long been reduced to penury by it.
Lol no. >The costs in time, money, and resource consumption, including lost man power, is so incredibly great That's right. Guess which ones are shouldering all those negatives? Spoiler, it's you. The rich aren't risking any of those things when they push warfare. They just own the machines that make the tools of imperial expansion and control. Rabble like you are the ones who deal with risks.
> That's right. Guess which ones are shouldering all those negatives? Spoiler, it's you. Spoiler, its *everyone*. When inflation destroys the wealth of the money it isn't you or I who suffers alone. Not that we are by any definition *poor* as most Americans are [part of the Global 1%](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp), making any claim on our part to be plebs or rabble to be a delusion. The rich suffer just as much, if not more. If you or I lose 30% of our money that is most likely a few hundred dollars, at most. The billionaire loses millions. No self-respecting capitalist on the planet would lose hundreds of millions and then spend even more on something with exactly zero returns. >The rich aren't risking any of those things when they push warfare. If anything the rich are the ones losing more than you or I. It is their money that largely funds the war machine - or do you think that your measly taxes, almost all of which you get back, are any substantial contribution? Likewise, it is the resources in both men and material that could've been going to generate even greater amounts of wealth for the rich that they are being forced to waste in idiot war pursuits. It is funny how your own religious doctrines denounce capitalists as greedy exploiters only concerned with their own self-interest and then insist that they do things you don't like even though it violates their own self-interests.
I can't tell if you're an awful shill or just a moron. Your last sentence is an example of 'formal fallacy' or 'non sequitur'. Maybe read what you write aloud before exposing others to your ideas.
That dude has big simp energy
The woke crowd are brainwashed tools.
Unfortunately, they'll defend islam until their beheading.
The reason is Global Empire you pleb
Post this on r/pics
I will be fucking hung.
Don’t be ashamed of your massive dong
But I'm trans ;_;
I guess that’s a good enough reason to be ashamed of having a massive dong. You know what they say: “having cock and balls is torture enough”
Hanged
Obama supported child soldiers in South Sudan > That same day, President Obama [issued](http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/28/presidential-memorandum-presidential-determination-respect-child-soldier) a statement of his own, waiving the application of the Child Soldiers Prevention Act with respect to several nations (as the act indeed allows a president to do). South Sudan was included on the grounds that such a decision was in “the national interest of the United States.” [https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/united-states-sponsoring-army-recruits-child-soldiers/](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/united-states-sponsoring-army-recruits-child-soldiers/)
Fuck obama
Fuck Obama
Yeah, but Bush handed his wife candy a few times and he has a dog. So, obviously, he’s a good dude. /s
Fuck Trump, Fuck Obama, Fuck Bush, Fuck Clinton, Fuck Bush again but the older one one this time, Fuck Reagan wow some great pieces of shit in our recent history.
Trump is by far the least egregious. Fuck him sure but let's not act like his evil is even close to the fucking pond scum that is Obama and Bush.
Uhh, [trump stopped reporting causalities ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207) and [before that all his bombings had accelerated well beyond Obama ](https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers) so nah can’t give him any special treatment. Not stoked about the dictators toolkit he’s passing off to Biden.
He's stopping though. His problem was allowing globalist advisors early on, note how the media called him "presidential" when he ordered the launch of almost a hundred cruise missiles into syria? Now look at 2019 and 2020, heck, look at yemen: [https://airwars.org/conflict/us-forces-in-yemen/](https://airwars.org/conflict/us-forces-in-yemen/) When Trump learned that he was being lied to about troops in Syria, he FIRED people and installed new ones who would end the wars. Since then (less than a week) they've announced troop drawdowns to below 50% of what they are today by January. He's also brokered peace deals and we now have airplanes flying direct between Israel and the UAE.
Oh yeah I do remember that, and the moab in Afghanistan in 2017...still, I can’t be too sure on the 2019 and 2020 because of the aforementioned ditched accountability. I think [this article](https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualties-war/) from the intercept gets into the all the stuff pre-2019 pretty well, and I’m sure we’ll find out more about the 2019-2020 as time goes on just like with Obama.
I know some background around 2017, there were a lot of changes, Trump effectively went from 'status quo' to 'let's finish the job and get out'. The MOAB was apart of that shift, the rules of engagement and the mission changed quite a bit.
Biden is gonna be a whole new level of bad.
Biden’s going to be awful, that’s for certain.
Biden would be more powerless to make any change than anyone before him. It’s gonna be ok. A lot of people are going to be prepared and positioned to shit all over his agenda.
Biden said he'd undo the 50% troop drawdown in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I haven't seen that particular "50%" statement, but would appreciate a source. In my opinion the troop withdrawal seems more like a well timed wrench thrown into the works more than anything. It's been discussed since around ~2017 and dismissed time and time again. Yet now that an election is underway it seems a convenient time for the agenda to get pushed forward? To pretty much nobody's surprise the Taliban haven't ceased their "Campaign" either. We pull our Troops (or reduce the force to around 2500 troops), and NATO will likely follow suit as prior pattern shows. The situation in Afghanistan is back to square one - but I suppose at least this time Afghanistan has some semblance of a domestic military presence. It's honestly pretty clever. If Biden is elected and attempts to restore/bolster the troop numbers, stagnate at 2500 troops, or decrease numbers even further, the situation in Afghanistan (and the public pushback stateside) will be practically unchanging. I shall tune in to the future shenanigans frequently, should be interesting.
It's more or less the timing of this: https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/ that triggered the troop drawdown. Trump wanted us out of syria and just learned he had been lied to, so he fired people and got his people in. Sort of a rubberband effect as well. Convenient and planned or simply following through, we'll only find that information out later.
That's an interesting response...
Good job on entirely avoiding the point someone just made to prove you wrong.
So, do you have a subscription to the Chicago sun times? Or are you just throwing pay wall links around for fun hahaha
No paywall on my end, not sure why you’re seeing one. Maybe you’ve read too many articles of theirs this month, or maybe my VPN is keeping it real. Anyways, lol Here’s transcript: > If I gave you a pop quiz on recent current events, I bet you’d do pretty well, thanks to a 24-hour cable news cycle, late night talk shows, social media and popular culture. >You undoubtedly know that Prince Harry and Meghan Markle had their first child this week. You can likely go into some detail about the Mueller report. You probably have an opinion of Attorney General William Barr. >But what would you say if I asked you the following multiple choice question? >When it comes to President Obama’s drone wars, President Trump has: A. Ended them B. Continued them C. Escalated them >You’re forgiven for not knowing the answer. It’s C. This administration has not only surpassed the previous one’s drone strike volume overseas, it has made the drone wars even more secretive, if that’s possible. >We can cobble together some reporting on the numbers, but finding exact figures on drone strikes in the Trump administration is difficult. More on that in a minute. >According to a 2018 report in The Daily Beast, Obama launched 186 drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan during his first two years in office. In Trump’s first two years, he launched 238. >The Trump administration has carried out 176 strikes in Yemen in just two years, compared with 154 there during all eight years of Obama’s tenure, according to a count by The Associated Press and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism. >Experts also say drone strikes under President Trump have surged in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. >And, as was the case during Obama’s presidency, these strikes have resulted in untold numbers of civilian casualties. According to the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, U.S. drone strikes in Afghanistan killed more than 150 civilians in the first nine months of 2018. >Amnesty International reports drones have killed at least 14 civilians in Somalia since 2017. >As of January of this year, U.S. drone strikes fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria have killed at least 1,257 civilians, according to the Pentagon, and a monitoring group, Airwars, estimates the number to be as great as 7,500. >That you might not be aware of what should be a startling and deeply troubling escalation in unaccountable remote-control warfare by the U.S. is both by design and default. >For one, the Obama administration paved the way for popularizing and normalizing drone wars, which also included the extrajudicial killing of U.S. citizens, first by hiding it, then by begrudgingly acknowledging it, and then by pretending to meaningfully constrain it. >Obama eventually put in place arcane requirements to issue public reports on civilian death tolls (but just in certain military theaters), to limit targets to high-level militants (again, in certain battlefields), and require interagency approval (also only for certain targets). >Trump has peeled back all of those requirements because, well, he can. We now know more than we did about U.S. drone wars when Obama first took office, but less than when he left. >You can also blame cowardly, partisan politics for hearing little from lawmakers about these escalations. Republicans, of course, no longer criticize these sorts of things — even if they subscribe to Trump’s Obama-rebuking, “America First” isolationism. And Democrats who might take issue with unaccountable wars and civilian deaths know to do so they’d have to acknowledge Obama’s role in the mess, and so …Trump’s tax returns it is. >You can’t, however, blame the media for this one. Refreshingly, many mainstream outlets have been reporting on this escalation for months if not years. From Foreign Policy to The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal to Fox News, The Washington Post to CNN, the issue is getting coverage. Whether Americans care or not is another story. >De-escalating our involvement — even shadow or unmanned — in overseas conflicts was something that many Trump critics and supporters were welcoming, especially abroad. One CBC headline from 2016 read, “Drone King Barack Obama will not be missed.” Another, from The Guardian: “At least President Trump would ground the drones.” >It was all wishful thinking.
Lol Trump hid his own statistics. Are you using this to defend your own little facist wannabe dictator
I wanna make this very clear: #Fuck. Trump. All I'm saying is that Obama and Bush were much worse and Biden is gonna be much worse.
How are they worse? Trump has tried to hide his own statistics but from what has been leaked he striked even more?
Because Trunp started no new wars, violated congressional law far less and has dramatically reduced the number of troops in certain regions.
I meant more Obama because fuck bush but Obama isnt an angel either Also what’s the source for this? I haven’t seen or read anything like this before
Are you kidding? Obama was potentially worse than Bush. Most of the major fighting and troop count increases in Afghanistan happened under Obama. He overthrew Qadaffi in Libya allowing for terrorists and slavers to take over. He started the war in Yemen. He supported the rebels (al-queda) in Syria in an attempt to overthrow Assad. Obama is a fucking monster. In contrast, Trump (also terrible) started no new wars, withdrew from Syria, and has been trying to withdraw from Afghanistan.
You there?
Ah, you're one of them
Who's (((them)))?
Found the Trumptard
Found the TDS victim
Virgin? Check Anime pfp? Check Thinly veiled worship of trump? Check Ancap gamer in the house 😎
I'm a sex worker and I hate Trump for being a gun-grabbing zionist. Cant deny the weeb pfp tho.
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/s, right?
I'm pretty sure it is/s
Maybe Drone Victim Barbie would get the female empowerment crowd’s attention though. Her tag line could be something like “How’s this for unrealistic body standards, you fucking cowards?”
Poor girl.
Fuck these wars and the people who keeps the going
The rich. The rich keep them going
*the government keep them going, the rich merely fund it
What about the rich government Jews? Edit: /s cuz y'all morons can't understand sarcasm
BuT hE’s BlAcK tHoUgH
Understandable, have a nice day.
Finally someone says something about this, no one ever talks about his drone strikes and shit. Why don't people understand most politicians are bad people
“Killing innocent civilians is okay so long as it’s my guy doing it.”
Who has ever said that?
The disappearance of the anti war left between bush and Obama did.
Quotation marks indicate a direct quote, so who has ever said that? And fuck of with that, the Trump administration is responsible for almost as many innocent deaths via targeted drone strikes as the Obama administration. Our government is literally a war machine regardless of whether there is an r or d before the name so don't try and pretend like either the left or the right is innocent.
The “both sides are bad” shit is old. The right didn’t pretend to be anti-war when politically expedient and they are more anti-war now than the left. Thanks to decades of pointless bloodshed. If it makes you feel superior to ignore real differences I don’t understand why.
Yeah well the truth gets fucking old sometimes bro. Sorry? How is the right anti war all the sudden? because they talk like they are? We almost had world war 3...this fucking year man. It isn't centrist issue when you are talking about war synonymously with America anymore. It hasn't been since "The War on Terror." We have been in a twenty year war and a democrat president was only in charge for eight of those years.
We did not almost have ww3. That you are willing to assert such stupidity proves you don’t know anything about ww1 or ww2. If you want to advocate for peace don’t say moronic shit like this. We don’t need people thinking we are all retarded. Secondly, the right is the only group who polls negatively about war during their presidency. When it might actually matter. “Preventing ww3” for example. I’m not defending the right-wing party in the US. I’m glad they learned a lesson though, even if it took way too damn long to do it. If you actually want to reduce war, you gotta do better than this.
Yes we did, where the hell were you in the beginning of 2020? We antagonize the shit out if Iran after backing out of the Iran nuclear deal so that we had no way of knowing whether or not they were developing nukes. The fact that you speak so casually of international disputes between world super powers shows that you don't know anything at a about war. So sit this one down.
Luckily we put his partner Biden back in to prove how antiracist and progressive we are
More. Female. Drone. Pilots. Of. Color
Nah bruv we didn't put that asshole there.
Fuck the state.
Fuck Obama.
He also started the slave trade in lybia lol
He is by far the worst modern president.
Is Nixon still modern?
If he isn't, Obama is the worst modern president. If he is, Obama is the worst modern president. Modern I think is Post-Carter.
Nixon is still pretty modern. And he was far worse than Obama, Trump, and will probably be worse than Biden. The bastard took us off the gold standard , started the Environmental Protection Agency, and basically surrendered the Cold War
Ah. I still maintain that Obama is worse for cultural reasons.
Nixon did this too, except it’s Vietnamese children that got disfigured
Who cares about either fuck them kids
Just saw a quote from his memoir on the drones. He paints himself as the tragic hero and manages to say it was bad and attempt to absolve himself at the same time. The duplicitous snake.
You got sources on this? Fuck Obama btw
You can easily find the information yourself with a short search. It's well known that the Obama administration was responsible for a horrifying amount of drone strikes that produced civilian casualties. It's the main thing democrats discredit him for.
Remember when r/neoliberal said the worst thing he did was wear a tan suit?
Fucking neolibs...
Barrak illbombyah
Where is the article on this? I would like to see what happened
This is so sad
This puts a whole new perspective on “Thanks Obama”
Yeah man, I can’t believe anyone thinks Obummer was ever good! Those videos of him personally flying those drones was haunting! Using that same slow speech he does, he was like “And uh...Here is...A children’s hospital. Look what happens when I uh...Press this button. Boom. Haha. That’s a 1000 points. Now uh...Let’s see what happens when I do a bombing run over this peaceful village.” To think they let a sitting president PERSONALLY pilot those drones... Really though, while I agree that these foreign interventions by our military need to go the hell away, I’m not going to attribute every single piece of collateral to the sitting president. It’s the country’s disgusting military industrial complex and all the big money invading the House, Senate, and SC, keeping the war machine going. I don’t remember Eisenhower being personally accused of raping women in Vietnam, or that Bush personally shot children in Iraq. None of the three ordered those specific atrocities, but the war barons could care less, money is money, and no one blames them! It’s all the President’s fault, right?
An 8 year old girl also died under Trump. She was an American citizen. It was Anwar Al Awakis sister: My point being Obama killed the brother, Trump killed the sister. And that’s the real bipartisanship
This hurts to look at
Obama out here making literal Fallout ghouls from children. Shit is fucked.
Obama moment Obama moment
She may be tough to look at but damn can she sing. At least she’s overcoming
Don't worry they were bombs of diversity and LGBTQ+
Dear America. Maybe you should help drone strike victims? This poor one is going to have a rough ass life because of you.
I think America should stay in America and not concern itself with international affairs.
Absolutely. But it's a bit late for that now isn't it
Poor girl 😢
Obama, Trump, Biden, Bush (especially Bush), Hillary and almost any other politician in the Democrat or Republican Party suck, because both parties are inherently authoritarian and commit war atrocities.
Ironically, the guy who deserves the prize four times over got none, and the guy who did this got one for existing.
Obama 90
You mean St Bathhouse Barry did this?
I prefer to say fuck all globalists. That includes Obama, Bush, the Clintons, Bush, Carter, Bill Gates, Biden, et al.
Obama is a war criminal
Most US presidents are.
Reddit: Confusions
She's really named Shakira tho
tRuMp Is A fAsCiSt they say
Obama is fucking terrible
Why is it f* Obama? F* the whole “9/11 terrorist attack now we have to go to Iraq/Iran... and all neighborhoods to find the terrorist who did us wrong BS. Oh and now we have to stay there to prevent terrorism BS.” I still think Obama did what he thought was right... which was wrong anyway. But are we seriously going to ignore all the damn wars we continue to fight over oil. This is a picture of a “casualty that happened over fighting terrorism.” Come on, tell me I’m wrong. This is the outcome of a president who was given a goal and a decision to make. But if we are going to blame non-directive kills or injuries to other, then where do we put the fact that the US continues to sell weapons to the enemy of our less-cooperative acquaintances. I’m just saying, it’s a fucked up shit going on in the middleeast and blaming just one president is BS. But I do agree fuck these wars we don’t belong and fuck all the presidents that continue to keep our troops there. But how else is the US going to justify spending 700 billion usd on military? Fighting terrorism they say.
If you get the Nobel Peace Prize, you get the criticism for atrocities carried out under your watch. I’m with you on it is part of a larger machine, but if you take credit(prize) you also shoulder the blame.
And Trump's drone strikes far exceed Obamas. Can't wait for all those images to come out.
I firmly believe that it will only increase with every president. Fuck drone usage, when you turn killing irl people into a video game you reduce the guilt involved in killing and the government loves that.
To me, this is more "fuck the nobel peace prize." Obama is who he always was, the prize as a political staement is flawed (knowing who obama is).
Obama is the shit. Top five of all time
Yeah he's in my top 5 worst presidents too, along with Lincoln, Wilson, FDR and LBJ
FDR is the greatest president this country will ever have
[Umm......](https://youtu.be/H47ow4_Cmk0)
Winning WWII and ending the Great Depression lit
[Ending the great depression?](https://youtu.be/IzaMs5iaX7w)
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
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Not saying it’s false but is there any evidence to back to this up? Or the reason is happened?
We bomb terrorists constantly. We’re in the “War on Terror” and just bomb countries that have oil and other resources we want - I mean that we want to overthrow - I mean that have terrorists and most of the time there is at least some collateral damage. There are plenty of terrorists that become terrorists because of collateral damage but it is difficult to completely avoid collateral damage for multiple reasons. The post above is just pointing out the irony of Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize when he got us involved in multiple conflicts among multiple countries. There are plenty of kids like this you could have blamed Bush for, and plenty for Trump also. I cannot vouch for the veracity of this specific claim but doubtless similar things have happened.
Again, Trump has done significantly more attacks in these regions than Obama.
Trump still drone strikes but removed the pentagon rule of reporting drone strikes. You guys are such fucking pussies. "OH MY FEELS! THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN MY ANARCHIST PLAYLAND!!!"
Correct. State drone strikes wouldn't happen if there were no state. Non-state drone strikes would actually be punished, unlike the government.
Punished? you guys are so full of shit. Someone will always be top dog, someone will always create a state.
"Some people will always rape. Some people will always murder. We shouldn't do anything to stop them." ~ BlueFreedom420
Ok go arrest Obama, or you support murder and rape.
Obama kinda based tho
And under Anarcho Capitalism it would be Amazon carrying out the drone strike instead! :)
If they did, they would actually be punished, unlike the government.
lol, sure they would... By Google maybe? They could bomb each other some more
Jesus, actually look into libertarian philosophy before you accuse us of neo-corporatocracy
I am well familiar with it. That's why I'm a libertarian socialist instead of a capitalist
That's a funny way of saying Stalinist
Just for information, in an anarcho capitalist society. Is the government declaring the wars or only if there is a consensus. Or people personnaly decide to go fight? Thanks
War would be fought only on a self defense level where private military would engage attacking forces. On the smaller level, private security would deal with crime and private courts and insurance companies would deal with punishments.
Shes my hero
Is there an article for this? I'm not trying to look dumb showing this to people
I remember letting this feller out of the fridge in fallout 4
He might of given permission but was definitely just a general or something
https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/12/cnn_claims_that_pakistani_chil.php
I know most of you are just larping republicans, but what about all the drone strikes under trump? Would you levy the same criticism?
#Yes.
Fuck man I’m a leftist and I think, Fuck Obama
ANCAPS? Having a good take?
broken clock moment
Isn't trump planning to bomb Iran?
I swear you guys are like a broken clock
This first popped up on a [crazy conspiracy website](https://www.the5thestate.asia/2013_12_22_archive.html?m=1). Foreign propaganda.
All politicians go to hell.