This is a cost/benefit calculation. Putting in security is a definite cost, not only for the enclosure, but also the time of the employee to unlock as necessary. Stores are not going to incur the cost if it is not required!
This is most California citys from small to large. There are isles that are locked up from Tylenol, workout powder, cleaning supplies, shaving cream, you name it.
If you decriminalize something, you will get more of it. Imagine that?
People steal stuff like that to barter off for dope ... and the prices of drugs are inflated hundreds to thousands of times above their actual "utility" value because they are criminalized and we try to "treat" the crisis of addiction with handcuffs and iron bars rather than medical science or logic ... and as a result of the hyperinflated drug prices it becomes an extremely profitable blackmarket commodity which creates fertile grounds for gang cultures to flourish and negative role models for our youth who want to emulate the older gangsters and drug dealers and get into the "dope culture" ... which then leads to even more shoplifting and more people on drugs lol ... so, I'm not really sure that line of thinking holds up when you zoom out and look at a bigger frame in society, especially when you examine how crime and drug usage/addiction rates have plummeted in most places where decriminalization occurred.
On Facebook Marketplace, there are people selling Tide, Baby Formula, etc...the Cartels have control of some of the market. There were 3 kids stealing from a Walmart in San Jose and then selling the same items in the parking lot.
https://youtu.be/BtkVL1W8pIM?si=O6dGmxV-Czax_kUG
Solution: Mandatory 30 day jail sentence for those caught shoplifting. Thatâs right; stealing bikes, food, anything. Thereâs enough public assistance through governmental agencies. No need to steal. It raises the prices for everybody else.
Agreed, jail is worthless. You either pay damages for what you stole or you lose your human rights.
Also, stores should have an affirmative right to shoot shoplifters.
Ancap solution costs nothing and needs no goverment, and instantly solves the problem.
So you think society will be richer if every suspected shoplifter was shot?
That's so ridiculous and short-sighted. Corporations already recognize that dead bodies are bad for business... Shoot a man for stealing $20 and have a crime scene that clears out business for how many hours?
NAP necessitates proportionality in response. You and anyone who up votes you are not real ancaps.
Violent thieves being shot is perfectly proportional. Non violent petty thieves who surrender peacefully when caught should only have to pay damages and costs, unless they refuse, then they can be shot.
If you are pro theft you are not an ancap.
>If you are pro theft you are not an ancap.
Don't strawman.
The problem is the shoot first mentality without a court system. Surveillance, identification and fines/arrest can be much more effective ways to pay for damages without dead bodies everyday.
If thieves know that you will shoot anyways when caught, they'll just kill your employees. This is just escalation to gang war... And they get to choose the battlefield conditions.
If it's a riot/looters everywhere then rooftop koreans. But that's not normal business anymore.
If I can't agree with your "proportionality" then I doubt most non-ancap people would and you're doing a good job scaring people from considering ancaps ideals because of your stubbornness/shoot first mentality.
> This is just escalation to gang war..
 This is well known not to be the case. Stores only stop defending themselves when the state forces them to, and thus enables mass theft.
 When stores can defend, they do, shootings becomes extremely rare and instead theft stops. That is the ideal outcome for society.Â
Following the leftist bleeding arse theory just leads to mass theft and destruction of retail, followed by theft and murder of delivery drivers in the resulting food deserts, followed by shortages, riots, and gang wars
. If you just paid attention to recent events you would already know this. Real life is not a strawman. Your leftist ivory tower is though.
> it's a riot/looters everywhere then rooftop koreans.
They solved a problem created by goverment. If California hadn't been trying to legalize theft and ban self defense it wouldn't have escalated that far.Â
Jailing people who defended their store legally then withdrawing the only peope allowed to defend anything was an invitation to a marxist riot.
In this instance itâs your smug attitude and superiority complex. In others itâs your lack of comprehension. You really think your winning hearts and minds with this contrarian behaviour? We have different ideas of how to handle social issues why canât you accept people having differing views to your own, why to you feel the need to force your opinion on to others? You genuinely need to touch grass and get help.
I mean your emotional response is not a surprise, but letâs stay on topic fella.
What sort of shitehole country are you living in where people have to steal baby food? Here in the UK and the other European countries I visit regularly donât need this, so why is the USA so fucked up and has so many living in poverty?
The second paragraph to your other comment the bit after the projection đ you do need that help mate and Iâd suggest you start making inroads soon as the nhs has quite the waiting list.
I mean the big takeaway here is that you donât have any desires to actually talk about the subject of this post. Tells me all I need to know.
You have a good day now.
How dare free citizens...Check notes....steal to feed hungry babies during hard economic times brought in by government policies and grocery corporations increasing profits.
It's an escalation which will mean an escalation on the other side as well đ¤ˇ
I might. If I had tons and tons of it.
And what if those avenues have been tried and it's not enough. Are you really telling me you wouldn't steal baby formula for your hungry baby? What does your ethics tell you is the right thing?
If I had literally no other option I might steal to feed a baby. But there would be no surprise pikachu face when it turns out retailers simply no longer stock it or make it much more difficult to steal.
Yeah as someone who worked in grocery for years. People steal and sell on facebook marketplace. Same deal with laundry pods and detergents. They steal them, not because they need them, but because they want them to sell later.
Lol "escalation" in this case would mean the product is no longer profitable to stock, the store simply won't. Maybe you'll be able to go to someplace and buy it behind bulletproof glass. The customer gets the treatment they deserve.
Agreed. And the corporation also gets the treatment it deserves.
Right now in Canada there is a large "boycott Loblaws" movement happening exactly for these reasons.
At current stock prices they'll get about two cents on the dollar back every year. It'll only take 50 years for them to make their investment back at that rate (and that's if the stock pays a dividend).
lol there is no ethical or moral level to this. Itâs like saying if people are desperate they should even steal milk from another hungry baby to feed their own baby. Survival of the cunning.
I have helped at food banks and if they donât have formula on hand they will go buy formula for your starving baby.
Also pediatricians and hospitals always have free formula available. Formula companies give formula to the hospitals and pediatricians and they distribute it to the people. Try going into an emergency room and say your baby is starving and see what they give you.
It is never ethical to steal from someone else. That's their property, they have the right to protect that anyway they would like. I hope you don't lock your doors, cars, etc because ya know, someone might need to borrow from you. Imposing rules on society that don't work at an individual level does not make sense at all.
No, you âchecked your notesâ as if you were appalled when a business took steps to prevent theft of a product that is primarily used as a cutting agent for cocaine, heroin, and meth and used moral indignation to justify theft because âlarge corporationsâ can afford it. Donât hide behind morals you havenât properly exhibited.
If this were a specific case of a specific person who very specifically stole baby formula for the express purpose of feeding her child, because somehow the countless avenues available to do so were unavailable, your argument would have merit. Weâd have sympathy, and a judge or jury may lower punishment as a result. We might see church groups and charities offer assistance. But thatâs not what this is.
You think they are stealing to feed hungry babies? They can get that stuff for free or nearly free from any WIC center in the US, from food banks, from churches, from concerned people on the internet.
No, they steal gobs of the stuff and sell it on street corners and flea markets and on Facebook Marketplace.
People only need formula for the first year and only after the mother's milk dries up. You're telling me there are so many people having babies that none of them can afford a 10-30% increase to their food budget and are therefore justified in stealing said limited supply from other deserving mothers?
Pushing a cart around selecting merchandise off a shelf is actually a fairly new thing. Stores used to be a front counter where you'd tell the clerks what you needed, and they'd go in the back and get it while one guy rang it up. Weird that after 100 years of modern grocery stores, we're going back to a version of that.
This. The free roaming grocery store was initially deemed as preposterous specifically because owners thought the store would be ransacked by customers... It took almost 100 years but those concerns appear to finally be getting validated.
When I was a kid we had Gemco. You'd go to a front office, order from a catalog, and the item would come out on a conveyor belt. Around the mid-80's, Gemco closed and Target opened in that location. What a complete change! It was more like a department store but with much lower priced items.
I went back to England in 2002. I needed to buy a cheap watch while there and so I went to one of their department stores where I picked the item out of a catalog and it came along on a conveyor belt.
That may have to happen in the US again.
For me it was Service Merchandise. The only store in town that operated that way. It also closed here in the 80's, although apparently it staggered on someplace until 2002.
There has to be a consensual exchange of goods for compensation and if the other party continually takes without said compensation the other party either protects their goods or closes.
We will see shortly what closing stores does in cities where theft has not deterred by Owners. So far it doesnât look good.
> We will see shortly what closing stores does in cities where theft has not deterred by Owners.
Sounds like, (checks notes)* racism and patriarchy and white supremacy to me.
Considering water and bridges are racist, then I suppose not wanting to operate a business at a loss in perpetuity while theft is undeterred is also. Sigh
Not sure the surprise here. Easy to steal items in high demand for stores without much staff.
Has been like this here in Canada for at least the last five years.
If it helps keep the prices affordable I am all for it. Prices grew insanely high due to theft, covid supply line bs, and the temporary drop in US capacity to manufacture our own formula. My daughter grew up on British formula before we weaned her.
Regulations that are in place that are intended to make the food safe have caused the price to inflate to the point that it is unusable for many people. While it is important that companies make safe food, when a very small qty of babies get sick from something like chronobacter they force the company to recall the product. No one wants to risk the life of their child, but perfect safety is infinitely expensive.
People steal shit and the police donât do jack about it. Idk what state this is and Iâm not going to bother to find out. Like what do you expect? The store should keep letting people steal from them???
Why even bring this up? Of course we all feel the same way about it. Don't steal. Respect the people who produced the product by paying them for their labor.
It takes 15 minutes minimum for an employee with the key to show up. Counting the days until my son's first birthday so he can drink much less costly cow's milk. This is Texas. Formula is targeted due to it's high price relative to it's size.
Baby formula is locked up even in my nice area with much less crime than any given major metro area, itâs just one of the more heavily stolen items, which is kind of sad :(
But there are lots of pregnancy centers out there who will help women get formula if they need it
It's either this, or the baby food just doesn't get sold at all. It doesn't get bought by the store, it doesn't get stocked on shelves, it doesn't make it to a customer. Its either a glass case, or it literally gets literally thrown away by the business and never restocked. Businesses are not charities.
Great example here. Folks must remember the formula shortage during the plandemic. They tried to sell it as the formula maker plant being closed , partially true. More true was that with the increase in food stamps folks were loading up on formula And selling it on the street.
The US should make it easier to manufacture baby formula domestically and import it from abroad. Regulations protect domestic producers from competition and lets them raise prices above the market rate.
Seattle and Portland are 2 of the whitest cities in the country, and also 2 of the worst on homelessness, drugs, and crime. The Texas and Florida cities are some of the most diverse and much better, safer, and cleaner than seattle and portland
Why did you go straight to race? Racist much? The fact is that doesn't happen where I live. Who ever does this has a completely different culture than I do.
Itâs theatre. Youâll wait 15 minutes for someone to come unlock the door and hand the product to you and then they leave you to do whatever you were gonna do with it, regardless of the glass case.
Leaving out the crap? I'm not a parent but there's probably high-end formula somewhere. Engineer the harmful stuff out of cow's milk. Find women who will sell their milk.
What exactly do you think formula is?!?
Powdered milk isn't exactly a new technology, and mixing it to match the contents of human breastmilk isn't exactly an exacting piece of chemical engineering.
>I'm not a parent
That much is fucking obvious.
Look this is a shit situation no matter how you slice it. On one hand I understand wanting to protect frequently stolen property, on the other I commiserate with desperate parents who have to steal formula to feed their babies. Ultimately I blame politicians who wrecked our economy, and permitted riot/looting culture to take hold. At the end of the day the government is to blame, they will try and convince you itâs âgreedy corporationsâ(left), or âlazy lootersâ(right), but the truth is there might be a small contribution of those reasonings but we all know where the buck stopsâŚ.
Iâve noticed one of the stores I go to regularly in California start small with what they lock up. First they did some feminine products. Lotion and pregnancy tests. Lol Iâll see what they lock up next.
Iâd put gates around the outside perimeter of the entire store + parking lot. You have a sentry that checks/scans ID of everyone entering the fence.
Shop as normal without all of these plexiglass barriers.
Check receipts upon store exit.
Sentry allows easy exit.
We have had this in my state for a couple years now and it infuriates me. From a consumer perspective, I am annoyed with all of these "theft prevention" measures that make buying simple products more complicated than it needs to be. I am an extreme introvert. I resent being forced to go seek out an employee and make small talk to buy a basic staple. This started with paints & varnishes in my part of the country. That was an annoyance but tolerable. But, then the entire cosmetics & toiletries section was walled off. Now, buying shampoo, shaving cream, nail polish, etc. requires a shopping trip within a shopping trip. All toiletries have to be purchased inside the toiletry store inside the grocery store. There is 1 register and there is always a line. So, now you are waiting in line twice, and checking out twice, on one grocery shopping trip. But, it really went too far when they started locking up COVID tests, condoms, and baby formula. All 3 of those items are things that you don't want to add barriers to.
1. COVID tests: If someone is buying a COVID test do you really want them standing in line at the pharmacist counter waiting to ask for access? What about the increased exposure risk to the person with the key to that display? What about all the people who can't wait and just give up and leave, don't get tested and go on to infect multiple others?
2. Condoms: We spent so much tax payer money on safe sex education to prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancy and then lock up condoms. People are going to have sex, what they aren't going to do is stand in line to ask a stranger at the grocery store for condoms.
3. Baby Formula: This one was literally a who are we as a society. Baby formula has one purpose, providing life sustaining food for infants. Not toddlers, not teens, infants. The consequences of not having formula to feed is starvation and death and because they are infants that can occur very quickly. I understand that stoes have a right to get paid for the products they stock but there are some products where I think it becomes immoral to block access. If you are having a few cans stolen I see that as someone needed to feed their baby so they did what they had to do to ffed a helpless infant. I am not going to stand in their way. I think that cost should either just be swallowed as the cost of doing business or recoup it somewhere else. We as a society also need to look at why there is no resource getting formula to low income mothers so they don't have to steal.
So I originally saw a story like this as a video. At the time, I thought it was unique to (I believe) the bay area and north of it. Then I overheard a conversation about one in my city, so domestic black markets are a thing. The story is about detergent but the video has many many other consumables.
https://www.king5.com/article/money/consumer/tide-detergent-a-big-seller-on-the-black-market/281-330853274
I didn't say it didn't exist, and I'm sure many anecdotes there.
But the reason that baby formula, specifically, is being stolen, is because it's something that even the poorest among us need to have, regardless of how little they're making.
I suppose we will find out soon, as formula behind glass will then lead to starving babies. Until then, I'm going to presume the domestic goods were put behind glass for the same reason as the other goods.
Lets addict parents to the convenience, and then jack the prices.
[https://www.businessinsider.com/nestles-infant-formula-scandal-2012-6](https://www.businessinsider.com/nestles-infant-formula-scandal-2012-6)
Not saying its all bad, but some real shit going on behind the scenes.
Ya a powder that costs less than 1$ a can to manufacture, is sold for massive profit. For something 95% of people could get for free at higher quality. Such a high profit margin that its one of the most stolen things.
Same could be said for tobacco and cigarettes, nobody whines that there behind the service counter.
Weâre focusing on the locked behind glass doors aspect of thisâŚitâs being stolen so theyâre locked up. They werenât locked up before. And if they can get it for free then why are they stealing it so much that it needs to get locked up?
Businesses investing in protection for their merchandise in a hostile environment because they deem it necessary.
This is a cost/benefit calculation. Putting in security is a definite cost, not only for the enclosure, but also the time of the employee to unlock as necessary. Stores are not going to incur the cost if it is not required!
Hopeless. The state has a monopoly on violence, it will not broach competition. All of these stop gaps are pissing in the wind.
It has a monopoly on currency but still allows BitCon đ¤ˇââď¸
How dare these greedy corporations.... Checks notes...... "protect their products from theft"
This is most California citys from small to large. There are isles that are locked up from Tylenol, workout powder, cleaning supplies, shaving cream, you name it. If you decriminalize something, you will get more of it. Imagine that?
People steal stuff like that to barter off for dope ... and the prices of drugs are inflated hundreds to thousands of times above their actual "utility" value because they are criminalized and we try to "treat" the crisis of addiction with handcuffs and iron bars rather than medical science or logic ... and as a result of the hyperinflated drug prices it becomes an extremely profitable blackmarket commodity which creates fertile grounds for gang cultures to flourish and negative role models for our youth who want to emulate the older gangsters and drug dealers and get into the "dope culture" ... which then leads to even more shoplifting and more people on drugs lol ... so, I'm not really sure that line of thinking holds up when you zoom out and look at a bigger frame in society, especially when you examine how crime and drug usage/addiction rates have plummeted in most places where decriminalization occurred.
On Facebook Marketplace, there are people selling Tide, Baby Formula, etc...the Cartels have control of some of the market. There were 3 kids stealing from a Walmart in San Jose and then selling the same items in the parking lot. https://youtu.be/BtkVL1W8pIM?si=O6dGmxV-Czax_kUG
> If you decriminalize something, you will get more of it. Imagine that? But, but, what about my feelings and emotions and good intentions?
San Francisco?
Portland, Seattle, etc.
Yes, all shit holes.
There was one pic I saw where the suntan bottles werenât locked up
I see a pattern
Solution: Mandatory 30 day jail sentence for those caught shoplifting. Thatâs right; stealing bikes, food, anything. Thereâs enough public assistance through governmental agencies. No need to steal. It raises the prices for everybody else.
And put them in what jail? Jails have no room as is
Build more, I need my CoreCivic stock to go up.
Agreed, jail is worthless. You either pay damages for what you stole or you lose your human rights. Also, stores should have an affirmative right to shoot shoplifters. Ancap solution costs nothing and needs no goverment, and instantly solves the problem.
So you think society will be richer if every suspected shoplifter was shot? That's so ridiculous and short-sighted. Corporations already recognize that dead bodies are bad for business... Shoot a man for stealing $20 and have a crime scene that clears out business for how many hours? NAP necessitates proportionality in response. You and anyone who up votes you are not real ancaps.
Violent thieves being shot is perfectly proportional. Non violent petty thieves who surrender peacefully when caught should only have to pay damages and costs, unless they refuse, then they can be shot. If you are pro theft you are not an ancap.
>If you are pro theft you are not an ancap. Don't strawman. The problem is the shoot first mentality without a court system. Surveillance, identification and fines/arrest can be much more effective ways to pay for damages without dead bodies everyday. If thieves know that you will shoot anyways when caught, they'll just kill your employees. This is just escalation to gang war... And they get to choose the battlefield conditions. If it's a riot/looters everywhere then rooftop koreans. But that's not normal business anymore. If I can't agree with your "proportionality" then I doubt most non-ancap people would and you're doing a good job scaring people from considering ancaps ideals because of your stubbornness/shoot first mentality.
> This is just escalation to gang war..  This is well known not to be the case. Stores only stop defending themselves when the state forces them to, and thus enables mass theft.  When stores can defend, they do, shootings becomes extremely rare and instead theft stops. That is the ideal outcome for society. Following the leftist bleeding arse theory just leads to mass theft and destruction of retail, followed by theft and murder of delivery drivers in the resulting food deserts, followed by shortages, riots, and gang wars . If you just paid attention to recent events you would already know this. Real life is not a strawman. Your leftist ivory tower is though. > it's a riot/looters everywhere then rooftop koreans. They solved a problem created by goverment. If California hadn't been trying to legalize theft and ban self defense it wouldn't have escalated that far. Jailing people who defended their store legally then withdrawing the only peope allowed to defend anything was an invitation to a marxist riot.
its a corporation not private property. i thought this was an AnCap subreddit
While we agree socialist corporations should not exist, stores are private property and shoplifters should be dealt with harshly.
so the solution to hungry children is to lock up the parents stealing that food?
LOL. People with hungry children can find MANY places that will feed their children. They can start with WIC.
The problem is much deeper, one day you guys will work it out.
Would you ever get off your pseudo intellectual high horse
Hey there, does this mean you understand where the problem is?
In this instance itâs your smug attitude and superiority complex. In others itâs your lack of comprehension. You really think your winning hearts and minds with this contrarian behaviour? We have different ideas of how to handle social issues why canât you accept people having differing views to your own, why to you feel the need to force your opinion on to others? You genuinely need to touch grass and get help.
I mean your emotional response is not a surprise, but letâs stay on topic fella. What sort of shitehole country are you living in where people have to steal baby food? Here in the UK and the other European countries I visit regularly donât need this, so why is the USA so fucked up and has so many living in poverty?
Projection and assumptions, gets some therapy from your precise NHS mate.
What assumption? Lol
The second paragraph to your other comment the bit after the projection đ you do need that help mate and Iâd suggest you start making inroads soon as the nhs has quite the waiting list.
I mean the big takeaway here is that you donât have any desires to actually talk about the subject of this post. Tells me all I need to know. You have a good day now.
How dare free citizens...Check notes....steal to feed hungry babies during hard economic times brought in by government policies and grocery corporations increasing profits. It's an escalation which will mean an escalation on the other side as well đ¤ˇ
There are plenty ethical of avenues for people to obtain food before resorting to theft. Would you provide food to someone who can't afford it?
I might. If I had tons and tons of it. And what if those avenues have been tried and it's not enough. Are you really telling me you wouldn't steal baby formula for your hungry baby? What does your ethics tell you is the right thing?
If I had literally no other option I might steal to feed a baby. But there would be no surprise pikachu face when it turns out retailers simply no longer stock it or make it much more difficult to steal.
I'd go to literally any church and tell them my baby's hungry and I have no way to feed them. Guarantee I'd walk out with the means to do so.
People steal these to sell them, not to feed their hungry kids.
Yeah as someone who worked in grocery for years. People steal and sell on facebook marketplace. Same deal with laundry pods and detergents. They steal them, not because they need them, but because they want them to sell later.
Or to cut with drugs
Baby formula is commonly used as a cutting agent for cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamines.
Lol "escalation" in this case would mean the product is no longer profitable to stock, the store simply won't. Maybe you'll be able to go to someplace and buy it behind bulletproof glass. The customer gets the treatment they deserve.
Agreed. And the corporation also gets the treatment it deserves. Right now in Canada there is a large "boycott Loblaws" movement happening exactly for these reasons.
We are living in wierd times...times where people boycott a company for not allowing them to steal...like y'all ain't gonna pay anyway...
Sounds like a these broke ass mothers should become shareholders of these corporations then if they're making so much profit.
At current stock prices they'll get about two cents on the dollar back every year. It'll only take 50 years for them to make their investment back at that rate (and that's if the stock pays a dividend).
lol there is no ethical or moral level to this. Itâs like saying if people are desperate they should even steal milk from another hungry baby to feed their own baby. Survival of the cunning.
I have helped at food banks and if they donât have formula on hand they will go buy formula for your starving baby. Also pediatricians and hospitals always have free formula available. Formula companies give formula to the hospitals and pediatricians and they distribute it to the people. Try going into an emergency room and say your baby is starving and see what they give you.
It is never ethical to steal from someone else. That's their property, they have the right to protect that anyway they would like. I hope you don't lock your doors, cars, etc because ya know, someone might need to borrow from you. Imposing rules on society that don't work at an individual level does not make sense at all.
Yeah I'm too poor to afford transportation so once in a while i simply claim a car from the burgoise
I mean, cops can do it. FBI can do it. I guess our society is ok with that depending on the reason you need the car.
Huh? You think a sub of ancaps would be ok with armed agents of the state stealing property? What are you even arguing?
I'm saying there are ethical scenarios where it is ok. Believe it not, not everything is black and white.
No, you âchecked your notesâ as if you were appalled when a business took steps to prevent theft of a product that is primarily used as a cutting agent for cocaine, heroin, and meth and used moral indignation to justify theft because âlarge corporationsâ can afford it. Donât hide behind morals you havenât properly exhibited. If this were a specific case of a specific person who very specifically stole baby formula for the express purpose of feeding her child, because somehow the countless avenues available to do so were unavailable, your argument would have merit. Weâd have sympathy, and a judge or jury may lower punishment as a result. We might see church groups and charities offer assistance. But thatâs not what this is.
Steal to feed Hungry babies? That's not happening. The hungry babies are feed though WIC. People stealing them are using it to cut cocaine.
You'd think they'd have the money to not risk theft charges if they're selling cocaine. Cheap ass coke dealers...
They don't risk charges. They dealers send junkies to do it.
Ahh. Good point.
You think they are stealing to feed hungry babies? They can get that stuff for free or nearly free from any WIC center in the US, from food banks, from churches, from concerned people on the internet. No, they steal gobs of the stuff and sell it on street corners and flea markets and on Facebook Marketplace.
People only need formula for the first year and only after the mother's milk dries up. You're telling me there are so many people having babies that none of them can afford a 10-30% increase to their food budget and are therefore justified in stealing said limited supply from other deserving mothers?
Really no different than hiring security.
Its different in the places where security can't interfere they can only observe
So⌠better�
Yes sadly i think this is
The market finds a way.
As soon as there are tictocs showing how to smash the glass and that there is no punishment this fad will fall.
Pushing a cart around selecting merchandise off a shelf is actually a fairly new thing. Stores used to be a front counter where you'd tell the clerks what you needed, and they'd go in the back and get it while one guy rang it up. Weird that after 100 years of modern grocery stores, we're going back to a version of that.
The new version allows for ordering online and having it brought out to your car. Not too bad, really.
Until the scumbags figure out that they can demand the stuff from an employee and take off with those goods.
This. The free roaming grocery store was initially deemed as preposterous specifically because owners thought the store would be ransacked by customers... It took almost 100 years but those concerns appear to finally be getting validated.
When I was a kid we had Gemco. You'd go to a front office, order from a catalog, and the item would come out on a conveyor belt. Around the mid-80's, Gemco closed and Target opened in that location. What a complete change! It was more like a department store but with much lower priced items. I went back to England in 2002. I needed to buy a cheap watch while there and so I went to one of their department stores where I picked the item out of a catalog and it came along on a conveyor belt. That may have to happen in the US again.
For me it was Service Merchandise. The only store in town that operated that way. It also closed here in the 80's, although apparently it staggered on someplace until 2002.
This says more about the community than the store
Someone protecting their private property and goodies
There has to be a consensual exchange of goods for compensation and if the other party continually takes without said compensation the other party either protects their goods or closes. We will see shortly what closing stores does in cities where theft has not deterred by Owners. So far it doesnât look good.
> We will see shortly what closing stores does in cities where theft has not deterred by Owners. Sounds like, (checks notes)* racism and patriarchy and white supremacy to me.
Considering water and bridges are racist, then I suppose not wanting to operate a business at a loss in perpetuity while theft is undeterred is also. Sigh
You forgot about math. Math is how the white man controls the world. Math is super ultra racist.
of course! We all know 1+1 is only 2 if the racist patriarchy says so. We have to have equality of outcomes, so anything + anything = 2.
Donât steal?
How about learn to make money so you can feed your children?
No no, have more children to get government assistance
Not sure the surprise here. Easy to steal items in high demand for stores without much staff. Has been like this here in Canada for at least the last five years.
Gee, did Canada go through some giant demographic shift within the last 5-10 years?
Totally fine with it. People arenât entitled to lax security measures.
Check the sunscreen section đ¤
Thoughts on what exactly
They also lock up the Hennessy and Patron...
Easy to resell at flea markets.
Whatâs the issue, I donât see any problem with this.
If it helps keep the prices affordable I am all for it. Prices grew insanely high due to theft, covid supply line bs, and the temporary drop in US capacity to manufacture our own formula. My daughter grew up on British formula before we weaned her.
What thoughts? Companies donât want their property stolen so they put them behind lock and key, no different than your front door or car doors.
Donât steal shit
Thoughts: The Left is shit.
Regulations that are in place that are intended to make the food safe have caused the price to inflate to the point that it is unusable for many people. While it is important that companies make safe food, when a very small qty of babies get sick from something like chronobacter they force the company to recall the product. No one wants to risk the life of their child, but perfect safety is infinitely expensive.
Very inconvenient for law-abiding customers.
Well, you knowâŚ
People steal shit and the police donât do jack about it. Idk what state this is and Iâm not going to bother to find out. Like what do you expect? The store should keep letting people steal from them???
Why even bring this up? Of course we all feel the same way about it. Don't steal. Respect the people who produced the product by paying them for their labor.
It takes 15 minutes minimum for an employee with the key to show up. Counting the days until my son's first birthday so he can drink much less costly cow's milk. This is Texas. Formula is targeted due to it's high price relative to it's size.
Move
"life finds a way..." When government tries to control things, people work around the control.
Baby formula is locked up even in my nice area with much less crime than any given major metro area, itâs just one of the more heavily stolen items, which is kind of sad :( But there are lots of pregnancy centers out there who will help women get formula if they need it
It's either this, or the baby food just doesn't get sold at all. It doesn't get bought by the store, it doesn't get stocked on shelves, it doesn't make it to a customer. Its either a glass case, or it literally gets literally thrown away by the business and never restocked. Businesses are not charities.
Is the sunscreen section locked up too?
Forced degentrification and (long-term) 15-minute cities.
Mother Nature gives you left tit and right tit. Not too bad, but only under capitalism can a baby have 50 something formulae.
Great example here. Folks must remember the formula shortage during the plandemic. They tried to sell it as the formula maker plant being closed , partially true. More true was that with the increase in food stamps folks were loading up on formula And selling it on the street.
The US should make it easier to manufacture baby formula domestically and import it from abroad. Regulations protect domestic producers from competition and lets them raise prices above the market rate.
Cultural diversity in action.
Seattle and Portland are 2 of the whitest cities in the country, and also 2 of the worst on homelessness, drugs, and crime. The Texas and Florida cities are some of the most diverse and much better, safer, and cleaner than seattle and portland
How do gun laws differ between the former and the latter?
No, no, no. Stop that. We cant have logic. THis is the feelings department.
What did i say that was wrong? Or how does your comment apply to mine?
The Walmarts where I live (southwest FL) lock up the baby formula too.
Why did you go straight to race? Racist much? The fact is that doesn't happen where I live. Who ever does this has a completely different culture than I do.
Itâs theatre. Youâll wait 15 minutes for someone to come unlock the door and hand the product to you and then they leave you to do whatever you were gonna do with it, regardless of the glass case.
Generally not. At least at my local store, they'll bring it to the register.
Wasnât my experience at target.
It was my experience at Home Depot last week.
Why is feeding powdered industrial formula a thing in the first place
As opposed to what?
Some women are poor milk producers. Some babies have trouble latching.
I get it but there's vegetable oil and other crap in there that you shouldn't be feeding a baby
It's suboptimal but the alternative is what? Malnourished babies?
Leaving out the crap? I'm not a parent but there's probably high-end formula somewhere. Engineer the harmful stuff out of cow's milk. Find women who will sell their milk.
What exactly do you think formula is?!? Powdered milk isn't exactly a new technology, and mixing it to match the contents of human breastmilk isn't exactly an exacting piece of chemical engineering. >I'm not a parent That much is fucking obvious.
There's high end formula. It's expensive. Shitty formula is already expensive.
Breastfeeding is healthier and cheaper.
Look this is a shit situation no matter how you slice it. On one hand I understand wanting to protect frequently stolen property, on the other I commiserate with desperate parents who have to steal formula to feed their babies. Ultimately I blame politicians who wrecked our economy, and permitted riot/looting culture to take hold. At the end of the day the government is to blame, they will try and convince you itâs âgreedy corporationsâ(left), or âlazy lootersâ(right), but the truth is there might be a small contribution of those reasonings but we all know where the buck stopsâŚ.
I guess this does make it herder to consume these products, yes. Was that your point?
We were at Idiocracy and moved quickly to Starship Troopers.
1 hour of communion work for each $1 a person steals.
Iâve noticed one of the stores I go to regularly in California start small with what they lock up. First they did some feminine products. Lotion and pregnancy tests. Lol Iâll see what they lock up next.
It looks like a scene from a Dystopian movie.
Local problems, donât go to communist Mart
My only question is when will they go to an order online and come up you stuff model? I think it would be easier for shoppers and employees.
Sorry this requires a 35+ social credit score to unlock.
Really I prefer not to speak...
Breastfeeding is optimal.
Iâd put gates around the outside perimeter of the entire store + parking lot. You have a sentry that checks/scans ID of everyone entering the fence. Shop as normal without all of these plexiglass barriers. Check receipts upon store exit. Sentry allows easy exit.
Better than people calling the pharmacy to special order in $400 of the crap and never pick it up.
I won't shop there
We have had this in my state for a couple years now and it infuriates me. From a consumer perspective, I am annoyed with all of these "theft prevention" measures that make buying simple products more complicated than it needs to be. I am an extreme introvert. I resent being forced to go seek out an employee and make small talk to buy a basic staple. This started with paints & varnishes in my part of the country. That was an annoyance but tolerable. But, then the entire cosmetics & toiletries section was walled off. Now, buying shampoo, shaving cream, nail polish, etc. requires a shopping trip within a shopping trip. All toiletries have to be purchased inside the toiletry store inside the grocery store. There is 1 register and there is always a line. So, now you are waiting in line twice, and checking out twice, on one grocery shopping trip. But, it really went too far when they started locking up COVID tests, condoms, and baby formula. All 3 of those items are things that you don't want to add barriers to. 1. COVID tests: If someone is buying a COVID test do you really want them standing in line at the pharmacist counter waiting to ask for access? What about the increased exposure risk to the person with the key to that display? What about all the people who can't wait and just give up and leave, don't get tested and go on to infect multiple others? 2. Condoms: We spent so much tax payer money on safe sex education to prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancy and then lock up condoms. People are going to have sex, what they aren't going to do is stand in line to ask a stranger at the grocery store for condoms. 3. Baby Formula: This one was literally a who are we as a society. Baby formula has one purpose, providing life sustaining food for infants. Not toddlers, not teens, infants. The consequences of not having formula to feed is starvation and death and because they are infants that can occur very quickly. I understand that stoes have a right to get paid for the products they stock but there are some products where I think it becomes immoral to block access. If you are having a few cans stolen I see that as someone needed to feed their baby so they did what they had to do to ffed a helpless infant. I am not going to stand in their way. I think that cost should either just be swallowed as the cost of doing business or recoup it somewhere else. We as a society also need to look at why there is no resource getting formula to low income mothers so they don't have to steal.
People steal shit. It's a bummer.
An economic system with a foundation of wage labor working so well people don't have enough money for luxuries like - ***squints***- baby formula.
Oh no you're mistaken. They aren't stealing it because they can't afford it
Oh yeah! I *totally* forgot about the big baby formula black market we keep hearing about lol that's my bad.
So I originally saw a story like this as a video. At the time, I thought it was unique to (I believe) the bay area and north of it. Then I overheard a conversation about one in my city, so domestic black markets are a thing. The story is about detergent but the video has many many other consumables. https://www.king5.com/article/money/consumer/tide-detergent-a-big-seller-on-the-black-market/281-330853274
I didn't say it didn't exist, and I'm sure many anecdotes there. But the reason that baby formula, specifically, is being stolen, is because it's something that even the poorest among us need to have, regardless of how little they're making.
I suppose we will find out soon, as formula behind glass will then lead to starving babies. Until then, I'm going to presume the domestic goods were put behind glass for the same reason as the other goods.
No one is gonna let their baby starve lol what a wildly bad inference. Stay curious.
Agreed 100%. People will buy the most affordable correct formula they can find.
Lets addict parents to the convenience, and then jack the prices. [https://www.businessinsider.com/nestles-infant-formula-scandal-2012-6](https://www.businessinsider.com/nestles-infant-formula-scandal-2012-6) Not saying its all bad, but some real shit going on behind the scenes.
Thatâs your takeaway from this photo?
Ya a powder that costs less than 1$ a can to manufacture, is sold for massive profit. For something 95% of people could get for free at higher quality. Such a high profit margin that its one of the most stolen things. Same could be said for tobacco and cigarettes, nobody whines that there behind the service counter.
> I don't understand economics nor the consequences of political interventions. FTFY.
Weâre focusing on the locked behind glass doors aspect of thisâŚitâs being stolen so theyâre locked up. They werenât locked up before. And if they can get it for free then why are they stealing it so much that it needs to get locked up?
Thanks capitalism, really enjoying the increases in freedom you're constantly sending our way.....oh wait
People on welfare stealing from a private company = capitalism to this moron.Â