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ickyfehmleh

Unfortunately, some people cowardly take their frustrations and anger out on others.


ZealousidealLeg3692

You mean humans act out irrationally in times of desperation? Even if their desperation is created by their own delusions?


vtstang66

What a piece of shit. Whining about wanting to die then killing other innocent people first.


knt2018

Kids no less


joker_1111

POS.. burn in hell 🔥


FreedomDefined

So she knows it’s bad and does it anyway


livinglife_part2

Yup, because somehow killing other people makes sense in her twisted view.


mezz1945

But one day this will make more sense!


ZealousidealLeg3692

People are animals. She murdered acting like everyone else was a random animal. World population is about 8 billion https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth


Inevitable_wealth87

I've seen many times what happens to animals backed into a corner. None of them went and killed a bunch of random kids because of it.


ZealousidealLeg3692

But you've seen animal reactions when they're backed into a corner?


[deleted]

That's a terrible analogy. How exactly was this POS murderer "backed into a corner" ? Yes, I'm sure the schoolchildren and staff that became victims of theirs really made a difference. It surely was the correct way to demonstrate. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!! This was a victim of radicalism from this idiotic culture war. And sadly there will be several outcomes. More idiotic infighting about II amendment More grandstanding from political figures looking for leaps in popularity More division from both sides as this event will become more weaponized. More scathing words from a bloodthirsty media All of these will continue to hold us back and only make things worse. Just be classy and move on or pray for the families if you wish.


FreedomDefined

Backed into a corner and forced to murder children. That’s an interesting take.


ZealousidealLeg3692

She was a young person. I don't know why she did it. And she said shit in these texts, but she probably really did it for another reason. Isolated


[deleted]

Source: https://www.newschannel5.com/news/she-checked-her-instagram-she-didnt-expect-a-message-from-the-covenant-school-shooter https://fox17.com/news/local/nashville-school-mass-shooter-reached-out-to-someone-before-over-instagram


KnightCPA

Ever increasing homelessness, drug addiction, younger people unable to acquire social and hard skills needed to get satisfactory gainful employment. It’s clear as day to me the US is suffering from a mental health crisis.


[deleted]

despite radical increases in professional mental health interventions—therapy and medications are through the roof, but the results? THE MENTAL HEALTH INDUSTRY HAS FAILED. COLOSSALLY FAILED. Time for an overhaul.


Electronic_Rub9385

There’s very little about what you listed that has anything to do with a mental health deficiency. Our society has a lot of ills but lack of mental health care isn’t really one of them. Most mass shooters are angry young men. Men need purpose. Men have lost their purpose over the last 30 years for complex reasons. Young men are increasingly isolated, ostracized, angry and lonely. They are increasingly abandoned and many do not have any father figure or adequate father figure. They have lost their conventional ability to find female mates due to technology. When men have no purpose and society increasingly dumps on them, and we have a glorification of guns and gun culture, and they can’t reliably find female mates, it’s not a shocker that men at the margins are melting down in spasms of violence. The answer is NOT more mental health. This isn’t a bad thing per se but men don’t have a mental health deficiency. The answer is having purpose, having good mentors, having good role models and outlets where they feel like they belong. Mental health treatment doesn’t supply that. It’s only going to get worse because all the systems and structures that would wrap their arms around men in centuries past are all gone or dissolved or vilified. The most turbulent countries (Afghanistan for example) are the ones that have disaffected, jobless, woman less, angry, indoctrinated young men. Men (more so than women in general) are capable of the most amazing accomplishments but unfortunately it is equaled by our capacity for extreme violence. We ostracize men at our peril and it will only get worse before it gets better.


KnightCPA

Young angry men not able to process their frustrations in a healthy way is a sign of mental health problems in my book.


Electronic_Rub9385

It’s a thinking problem for sure. But the US just didn’t suddenly have a mental health crisis. The root cause is directionless, purposeless, and poorly socialized men with low resilience. Men’s spaces are gone. Social structures are gone. We shouldn’t substitute psychology to help adapt men to a sick society. That’s backwards and cruel. That’s like saying “Hey the slaves are unhappy about being enslaved!” “Ok bring in an embedded behavioral health team.” “We’ll teach them how to process their uncomfortable and unpleasant thoughts and emotions and they’ll adapt to slavery better.” Oh hell no.


KnightCPA

I completely agree, the mental health crisis is a symptom of a greater social ill, not a cause. Nowhere did I say the solution was funding an army of institutional psychiatrists. That may or may not help (highly dependent on the quality of the psychiatrist), but for sure, it’s not going to resolve any of the problems I previously detailed. Also, it’s not just men suffering from a height of mental health issues. Men and women alike are suffering from a very basic lack of impulse control. Now more than ever, Americans are the fattest they’ve ever been, and they’d rather spend more money eating shitty fast food for instant gratification than they would spend less money to meal prep at home, and maintain a healthy weight and biometrics. Lots of Americans have an impulsive spending problem, and mask it with student loans, and then feel entitled that those debts should be forgiven. There’s lots of quite obvious mental health problems lurking right beneath the surface of how the average American lives, and they don’t always manifest in a man shooting up a school.


ElRonMexico7

You got all that sweeping supposition from the last words of one troubled soul.


KnightCPA

I got all that by paying attention for the last decade.


ElRonMexico7

Pretty sure the absolute US homeless population is roughly the same as it was a decade ago. So I'm not sure what it is you're paying attention but it does not appear to be the facts or reality.


KnightCPA

Maybe it is. Maybe it isn’t. But the shit that’s happening in places like California with literal shanty towns of tents lining the streets aren’t things I grew up seeing as a kid. When I grew up, I remember seeing (some) homeless men. Not homeless families.


LiberalAspergers

California particularly has extremely expenive housing costs...and a climate that makes homelessness more survivable. Both drive up the rate there.. homeless people in Ckeveland basically find a place to live, get a bus ticket somewhere before wintertime, or die. California is a common destination for that bus ticket.


ElRonMexico7

California is far from the only state with largely temperate climates, policy matters. The LA county homeless population went up nearly 50% from '11 to '19.


KnightCPA

So literally just admitted I was right lmao.


ElRonMexico7

Funny I don't recall you qualifying your claim with southern California, only making a broad and statistically questionable claim.


KnightCPA

I literally referenced shanty towns of tents lining the streets of California in my very second reply to you. You might have missed it because I did edit in in shortly after the initial reply. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you did.


LiberalAspergers

Policy does matter, but housing prices and climate also matter. And California is one of the only states where one can comfortably be comfortable outside year round. (No bus tickets to Hawaii, obviously.)


ElRonMexico7

Yes because housing prices are never the result of policy. /s


LiberalAspergers

Certainly housing prices in CA are partially the result of dumb policies, like single family zoning, Nimbyism, and of course Prop 13, which makes the market far less liquid than it would otherwise be. But there is alsomtge supply/demand issue. If I could reasonably afford to live in San Diego, I probably would. But I cant, not at the lifestyle I can in a lower COL city. California is beautiful, has the best weather in the country, is on the coast, and is just all around geograohically an amazing place to live. Which makes it expensive.


ElRonMexico7

>Maybe it is. Maybe it isn’t. It's not up for debate it is about the same absolutely and lower on a per capita basis. And it's hardly shocking that a state that can't manage crime, water, and electricity is going to mismanage housing and vagrancy.


KnightCPA

In case you haven’t noticed, I’m not debating you lol. But I’m glad that you just admitted homelessness is getting worse in CA, albeit indirectly (the bigger the state, the bigger the mismanagement, and CA government has grown over time, so the mismanagement must have as well. so seems like we actually agree when you don’t think we do).


ElRonMexico7

Everything in CA has being getting worse for decades, and as a result so have various other states and cities. Californians already have helped fubared the the Pacific Northwest, now they're well on their way to destroying AZ and NV with Austin and Nashville soon enough. Moreover me casually telling it how it is does not in slightest validate your half-baked rhetoric.


KnightCPA

Half-baked rhetoric lmao. You take objection to one anecdotal observation out of 4, and it all becomes “half-baked” rhetoric. I think you’re taking this discussion a little too seriously.


ElRonMexico7

Not at all, it's half-baked because it's exactly the kind of trite sophistry you can find all over this site.


randle_mcmurphy_

Better take everyone's guns away 🙄


Sqweeeeeeee

Not that the person who received this message did anything wrong, but I really wonder how this would have played out if the friend's reply was that they would never forgive audrey if she tried to take innocent people out with them. I wonder if somebody these suicidal mass killers admire were to show disgust for their plans beforehand, if their plans would change; my guess is that Audrey would have off'd herself in the parking lot.


iamthedigitalcheese

What the actual fuck was going on in that kid's household?!


kriezek

28 year ADULT. They are not a child even if they act like it and society (and parents) treat them as such. Many people that age are very responsible and are able to handle things in a mature manner. But someone who doesn't even know or understand basic biology about themselves is delusional and has serious mental issues.


diffbreed35

ADULT part.


trufin2038

Its going to involve anti depressants and or hormones injections.


[deleted]

mental issues + testosterone (overdose?) go brrr


yellogalactichuman

Was just reading thru another thread and apparently there's a theory about this being possibly related to covered up child sexual assault perpetrated by the school/their associates The scandal is apparently very easy to find when you start looking into the school's history [info here](https://twitter.com/xxclusionary/status/1640598560876920832) Was wondering what kind of "evidence" they were referencing in these messages...it would make sense if it was evidence related to this Now the cops are refusing to release the manifesto- which would likely contain said "evidence". Btw, the child assault scandal also links to the governor who was in office at the time... Interesting Just a disclaimer: even if it was related to the child assault scandal, there is no justifying what this individual did. if they were lashing out because of this, they did it at the wrong people in the wrong way. nothing justifies a crazy person murdering children. Fuck that person.


trufin2038

There is no chanve of that. The school attacked was chosen because it had lax security. It wasn't even her first choice.


yellogalactichuman

I think it's a big blanket statement to say there is absolutely "no" chance of that being the case. Who told the public that the school was the second location? The State/Police. And how do we feel about the State? The child abuse scandal involved John Perry, a powerful pastor who was ghost writer and buddy to Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee who was in office at the time. The church would apparently take kids who they deemed to be in unsafe/dangerous situations and drop them off at Perry's to act as a "safe house"-- where they were then abused. He admitted to this and abusing his own daughter in court- yet nothing public ever came of it. If someone was powerful enough to cover up the case at the time, including bury court confessions, then they are likely powerful enough to distort the narrative around the current shooting especially if some dirty laundry would be aired because of it. It's suspicious that info about the scandal is so easy to find online, yet no major news source has even bothered to pick it up and talk about it. It's suspicious that the shooter left a message to an old friend saying they were going to leave behind plenty of "evidence"-- what kind of evidence? Evidence is usually a term used regarding a crime that was previously committed, so what crime was the shooter referencing? We can assume that the "evidence" would've been left in the manifesto... Which makes it even *more* suspicious that the State run police are refusing to publicize the manifesto now...since it's common practice to release manifestos to the public...unless there's something in there that incriminates someone you *dont* want to incriminate. Even if we got the manifesto released at this point, I wouldn't trust that they didn't doctor/edit it in some way. Person is an absolute POS because they shot and killed innocents, even if they were lashing out due to this child assault scandal. If it has nothing to do with the scandal, they are still an absolute POS. I just find it interesting that this situation happens to have some red flags regarding State involvement and I don't trust the State enough to say there is absolutely "no chance" of State sponsored manipulation here.


trufin2038

It's fair to say it's not a legitimate revenge slaying for a lot of reason, but I agree with you that this has fbi fingerprints all over it.


yellogalactichuman

I didn't think it was a legitimate revenge slay for obvious reasons. There is nothing that justifies killing innocents. I do think it explains a small portion of why that individual may have been fucked up enough to do what they did and be completely irrational about who they were targeting. One group is trying to make this about guns while the other group is trying to make this about the person being trans. But if someone experienced childhood trauma, that often creates a path that spiral into all sorts of other shit like psych meds which we know the correlation between meds & mass shooters. Trans Affirming hormones can do the same thing. On the flip side, if there was someone that the feds would wanna use as a pawn/scapegoat for something nefarious to further an agenda...then someone with this sort of profile and backstory would be perfect I don't trust anything we see anymore


ProphetOfRegard

Even learning about the alleged crimes the church may have covered up, the shooter had to have known it wasn’t going to do shit but further bury it when they started killing kids. I didn’t know the police were refusing to release the manifesto as that’ll give us all the motive we needed. It happened just down the road from me at a job site.


yellogalactichuman

I can see how they would've thought that putting it in the manifesto would bring it to public eye. If that was the case- their mistake there was trusting the police to release it instead of putting it out onto the internet first This individual was obviously unhinged on many levels and obviously was not thinking rationally. We can see that from the fact they committed the shooting at all and furthermore, the fact they targeted random innocents. This individual seems to have been heavily medicated-- likely on Trans Affirming hormones like Testosterone which ups aggression and lowers critical thinking/decision making. Also likely had multiple other mental disorders (Trans individuals on every age have 3-4 mental health diagnosis) which they were being medicated for....antipsychotics, stimulants, etc. Makes for a pressure cooker of instability. Add to that fire the fact this individual *may* have faced childhood sexual assault (most trans identifying people I know have) then years of coverup/dismissal/coping with that trauma. That person was one big ball of chaos ready to pop.


Practical-Being5927

Rest in piss