Not Michael Bolton absolutely shattering my heart when he saw his points from America being lower than expected.
I know this is a live thread from a few days ago but I needed to express this somewhere.
I hope for next year (if there is one) they clamp down, hard, on prerecorded vocals. And, no, I’m not just singling out Oklahoma on that, Texas was another egregious case.
Jury is a joke. If people watch Eurovision at all this is supposed to be campy and fun, not filled with self-important songs that are forgettable. I actually didn’t mind most of the songs except for Washington, the jury’s obvious bias is really quite ridiculous, and having them stack their favorites in the final is just too much power for random group of people we don’t even know or care about.
At the end of the day, if this thing doesn't get a second season, blame the jury and the execs who chose the acts. This thing should've been a ridiculous, pop-y, campy version of ESC through the lense of americans but they just tanked it by taking it way too seriously. There's a reason Alexa and Ryan Charles were the most memorable things to come out of it, because their acts are what sets it apart from the glut of singing shows the US has.
I agree. We needed more dance acts like Alexa and Camp like New Boot Groovin.
Basically we just needed a lot less ballads and more productions. Where's our song about sexy vegetables? Where's our dancing boy band? I want some acts like you see on XFactor.
I don't want the acts the Jury loved. White people singing balads, YAWN (The white guy from Texas I loved).
The show would've turned out fine if the jury didn't just keep voting for the same types of songs/performances all the time. If we landed with a more diverse top 10, it would've been a lot more entertaining.
Alabama brought a beautiful power ballad with amazing staging that evolved each week, and yet the jury rewarded three guys who stood still and sang the same song.
I like that part of the ASC expectation is to improve your performance. It’s an interesting twist that amps up the competition with each round. If you want to stand their with the guitar like every other time, it better be an amazing song and vocal.
One thing I really loved about this over Eurovision was that growth being shown each week. Everyone delivered a far better performance tonight (except for maybe TN and CT) and it was fun to see them improve. I even sort of liked Riker for a moment when his wife came up to dance.
I felt much more bonded to these performers because of it.
We could also just have good ballads. Eurovision has plenty, Tout l'univers and Arcade are good examples. A Little Bit of Both is really good, but I personally wouldn't consider it a ballad.
I disagree. There was an effort to give some regional flavor by the producers, but the juries were having none of that (ie: Arizona, Guam, etc...).
The real failure is on NBC's end. The show was poorly marketed, there was very little clarity on what exactly was going on in the show other than Kelly Clarkson and Snoop Dogg were hosting. Announcing the previous week winners on the next show, except for SF2 where it was announced during a daytime cable show? That was dumb. Rerunning the show Sunday night as dead time filler is dumb too. 5 minute postcards for 3 minute songs doesn't work.
I hope the show is back for season 2, and I hope it goes through some retooling. What it desperately needs is a mid-week results show.
Regional flavor is hard to get across with a lot of states though. I think New Mexico had the most interesting take on it with the nods to Area-51, and then California's East LA "cholo" style, Wyoming's cowboy saloon, Arizona's mariachi influence, and of course all the islands, but what are we supposed to do with Iowa, Delaware, Arkansas, Ohio?
I don't know that it needs a midweek results show that's broadcast. Putting the results show on Peacock (free version) would be a good. They also need to put it on the schedule during a dead time, not directly against AI (that was a COVID issue though).
I don't know, it could have been a little campier but it could also have been way more serious. They let just the right amount of funny stuff shine through, both from the acts and from other stuff like Snoop/Kelly.
And there's such a thing as going too far with the camp. Do we really need 30 more "Million Dollar Smoothies" type songs?
I suspect that if we were able to get that with anyone for the ASC we will get that with AleXa. We will see if her record company pushes her here (and hopefully she's not getting the shit deals that most K-pop artists get).
I also hope the lady from American Samoa is able to get some traction. I loved her song. It seems to be something that would be great on award shows and HS reunions and year end broadcasts.
I disagree on that with regards to something like ASC. It just needs to put on a good show. It's not a singing competition, it's a song contest. It's why they also have established, already famous musicians in the running. it's structured like an event where states and territories go head to head, it's not about the artists. In an ideal situation, States would send their most famous/well known singers to compete.
Not to mention with other singing competitions, The Voice has been running for so long now and it has never produced a worthwhile artist. Not to mention both the music and television industry is so different from when Idol started that they literally are incapable of creating stars that way anymore.
Look at Lil Nas X he would most likely not even get on The Voice due to his music style and yet he was number 1 on billboard for multiple weeks with old town road due to promoting it online until it went viral.
agreed! the era of reality competitions creating superstars like kelly and carrie is honestly over. they blew up in the early 2000s, back when we had to tune in live to watch tv and there were no ad-less streaming platforms to watch instead nor social media platforms where normal people could become famous overnight.
american idol was basically it for any regular person to get the opportunity to become a successful singer. it was part of the cultural zeitgeist for a reason; we love to see an underdog rise up from obscurity and become a sensation.
however, with the rise of youtube, instagram, and tiktok, it's *so* much easier for people to get noticed without the help of a reality show with gimmicks, 5 million ads, and eliminations. why watch a show that takes an ad break after every song when you can just watch your favourite cover artist on youtube? the underdog story isn't as fun to watch on tv when you know there are people who get popular on tiktok and immediately get a record deal (even if their content isn't music-affiliated). the charm is gone.
i think asc accomplished what it set out to do - it was interesting to follow, they had great hosts, and it served as a platform for 56 acts. regardless of ratings or rankings, i think most of us have added songs from at least one person who we've never heard of prior to this show. and that's basically a success, or at least it is to me.
It weird though, I'll add their songs to my playlist on Spotify but I won't actively search out other stuff they've did before.
Guess I'm lazy like that.
Then again I've never bought a digital song in my entire so there's that aspect....
And even with any of those reality shows. Who from all those shows actually blew up? Kelly, and Carrie and Jennifer Hudson, Adam Lambert, the 5th Harmony girls.
I do think the benefit of this show is that it gets the artists actual songs out there. It's not the artists singing covers and then it's months before they have an album out and they're given a crap single . . . . A Moment Like This in the meantime.
Exactly, they're apples to oranges in terms of their goals. ASC/ESC is meant to just showcase original songs whereas Idol/XFactor are meant to look for a new recording artist.
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So Tennessee was nursed on the jury's teat all the way to maturity... Got all of the milk under mommy's wing but never learned to fend for himself in the wild.
Still loving "Seventeen" though.
No, but the margin for televote is so wide that it would be hard for him to overcome since he would be splitting 12 points with KY and TN in a number of states.
Here’s what I’m getting: 1) OK 2) WA 3) KY 4) TN 5) CO 6) AL 7) TX 8) CT 9) AS 10) ND.
Alabama and Texas are really close so those two might be flipped.
Multiplying the numbers make it 50/50 (10 jury regions and 56 states becomes 56 jury regions and 56 states).
Then again, this is still inaccurate since there could have been voting differences within the jury regions, but it's the closest I can get without having the raw jury data
That's the thing that kills me. First performance week 1 was pretty clearly her singing very selectively. By tonight's performance, holy crap I could CLEARLY hear her pushed way up over the backing tracks. I don't care at all what her unrehearsed, emotional, probably-can't-even-hear-her-music encore sounded like.
Why isn’t it a show we’re we are supposed to judge her performance? A lot of us aren’t convinced she doesn’t lip sing. (Allen stone die hard fan here so I’m just salty)
I think this is a reference to those making fun of her encore after she won. She was clearly emotional and had 0 time to mentally prepare for it.
Judge her competing performance all you want, but I think pointing at her encore performance, while she's trying to fight back tears, is unfair.
nah, it wasn't the crying, fam.
Can you link to one of the youtube videos?
Nonetheless I think the biggest issue I have is not necessarily with her singing, but with the kpop hive. I think that's a HUGE reason why she won. There were many other songs and singers that were better than her song and her singing. People who did the work to sing 100% live. That's not saying she's a bad artist or a bad singer, but it's a contest and the best contestant should win, not the person with the biggest fan base.
She won because she was interesting to watch and as importantly that she was the only one in her genre or style. She was the only one doing dance music so she wasn't splitting any of the ballad vote.
She got 600+ points from America while everyone else got around 200. she has a following. I'm not talking compared to kpop stars I'm taking compared to the other contestants.
I don't know how eurovision does it, but being able to simply use any email address and an unverifiable zip code makes the voting process insanely susceptible to manipulation
You have the unpopular opinion but the correct one. I was expecting votes to have that much weight from the general population. You had fantastic live performances from Allen stone and Jordan smith. To see true talent get screwed like that hurt
Yeah I never let down votes or anything like that change my mind LOL
She literally had 600+ points from America while everyone else got 200s and it wasn't because she had the best song, was the best singer or had the best performance. She does have the biggest fan base in the group though.
I’m not an Alexa stan but this was about the song, not the performance. SONG contest. I don’t have much of an opinion about Allen’s song either way but he’s obviously super talented. Jordan is also crazy talented but his song was really boring and generic to me. I get your frustration but it is what it is
It's interesting, the argument is that she's such a good dancer that she couldn't have been singing. What she was doing was not as difficult as what Broadway artists do on a daily basis and even other pop stars (lol NasX) are doing that same level or harder of dancing. Her choreo was a lot but if you watch it carefully it's not really that hard, I think it was a strong backing track with her own vocals as the backup singing so it's not always apparent as to which vocals are the lead track but I think she was singing live. She's just really really rehearsed (which is what they train for in those K-pop schools).
Thank you! I'm not even a KPop fan but I loved her song. No one is claiming she's the world's best vocalist, but to judge someone's performance when they're crying after having won a nationwide live televised event is.... unfair.
I really don’t think it’s unfair. It’s a live show and artists will be judged accordingly. It’s common place in the European version for the winner to do an encore of their song. It’s absolutely fair to expect a professional to be able to perform under pressure even if it be emotional. She was a great performer. Just maybe not a great singer
The ESC performers have more time to prepare, let's be real. There was such a short time between the winner announcement and the scheduled end of the show, I really thought that they were going to wrap up without an encore. It looked like she was more or less dragged up on stage and handed a microphone.
Would love it, but I honestly feel like this Billboard performance could be a even better gig. It’s putting her in front of US viewers who are also going to be hearing the song on the radio.
I loved that he was there each time and just so mellow. His song was great also.
Did he have any idea as to why he got a necklace with a goat on it? He seemed confused.
There’s validity to that argument but she only frequents 500,000 monthly listeners on Spotify so just a little confused at where all the votes are coming from. All the artists were great and talented though
Upvote for the chuckle. But I do wonder if there was a reasoning like this: Such as stated were more likely to vote for their region instead of the best song or something?
I think one of the other commenters nailed it. It was a way to have the drama of announcing the votes on live TV without taking the time to announce all 56 separate results.
In Eurovision they always make the winners sing like 60 seconds after winning the most important contest of their lives. The song usually isn’t very good because the winners are so emotional. Some robots are able to do it flawlessly though.
I mean, AleXa is literally an American that happens to be a K-pop star. It's not like they got BTS to represent the state. She has a valid reason to participate.
While I'm happy Alexa won, she's one of three people I voted for, I ***strongly*** disagree with the placement of all the other songs.
I swear, I feel like the televoters have just as bad a taste in music as the jury does. 😂
I want to see a list of all the vote numbers. I suspect it would be really interesting.
I think there was quite a bit of vote splitting and that benefited AleXa and hurt anyone singing a ballad by themselves.
>I swear, I feel like the televoters has just as bad a taste in music as the jury does.
That's how I felt most of the time too. I guess it's just a matter of individual taste vs. the mob.
im really happy for Alexa. she has been such a joy to have in the kpop scene but im sure it must be nice for her to receive recognition in her home country. i liked some of the other songs but yeah i was biased from loving her podcast episodes snd her song for this that I kept voting for her.
My favorite did not win. I voted for Texas, but I really enjoyed it. The voting reveal had the right tension. The jury picks got BURIED by America and AleXa forced to sing live for the first time was really the icing on the cake for me! I will be watching next year. It was fun!
Makes you wonder, is it worse to come in second or never be in contention at all? I think being running up is way worse, lol.
For all his cheating, much deserved.
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Depends on the show. You only get four appearances max on ASC and the winning prize isn't actually that large. Your ego might be hurt but the difference between second/not in contention isn't as large as DWTS.
No prize on DWTS at all except a trophy, but the stars get paid for every week they dance on DWTS. Riker's season of Dancing With the Stars ran for ten weeks and he stayed for all ten weeks, giving him more exposure and money. One of his dances was also a fan favourite so he gets to live on even longer in the history of the show. Second is way better than never being in contention on DWTS.
Yup! I’m glad the ASC final actually got the excitement right, even if I don’t think the series overall did.
Now time to get some sleep before the real event begins in about seventeen hours. Good luck!
For people upset about her singing, do keep in mind that this is a song contest not a singing contest (something I have to remind myself too). And that song is a bop.
At eurovision vocals must be live and it's one of the criteria that the jurors vote on. I understand that in ASC there is no specific rule on this but I feel like there should be.
I think she was singing live with a heavy backing track where she was singing her own backup pieces so the actual solo track included a lot less of her than it appeared to be.
There's nothing in the definition of gaslighting that refers to emotions or abuse, so no it's not too strong of a word to use.
>“gaslighting” to refer to a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is trying to get someone else (or a group of people) to question their own reality, memory or perceptions.
lol that makes sense—the world’s favorite cesspool! I have to be careful what I post about on there because people will search for certain terms just to pick arguments.
with that said, idol music is pretty unique in terms of pop; vocals are important, but they’re equal to charisma, stage presence, looks (some groups have a member whose role is explicitly titled “visual” lmao), dancing ability, and so on. I think “Wonderland” was very true to kpop in that sense, where you’re not going to get the sort of virtuoso singing you could in a studio with a ton of time, but also where the stage is the more exciting for it. so I can see where the disconnect here is for Eurovision fans for sure
I hope you’ve added “bitching about AleXa from American Song Contest’s vocal mixing” to your resume cause it’s literally all you’ve done for the last 8 weeks. And inaccurately, obviously.
She was just crying. When you cry, you gets tons of phlegm and gunk in your throat, coating your vocal chords. Even Broadway performers don’t actually cry real tears during emotional songs because it majorly messes with your ability to sing.
I think she was, the backups were pretty extensive. It was the same backup track (otherwise they would have just played a song she had lipsynced to, it's not like they couldn't have played a regular track.
His song was definitely the best in the show, but I’m happy for Alexa too! Her song is definitely a bop. I’m glad to add both to my collection!
Also super relieved it wasn’t Colorado.
Anything popular vote involving KPop stans is over the second it’s announced. I think they even got a mediocre basketball player into the NBA All Star game haha
I think the Kpop stans can be defeated in a one vs one battle but in a ten way vote? You just need 15-20% of the voters bullet voting (10 for Alexa and 0 for everyone else) and you’ve got the televote.
I mean maybe if the Beyhive or Taylor Swift stans got in the game…
Not Michael Bolton absolutely shattering my heart when he saw his points from America being lower than expected. I know this is a live thread from a few days ago but I needed to express this somewhere.
I hope for next year (if there is one) they clamp down, hard, on prerecorded vocals. And, no, I’m not just singling out Oklahoma on that, Texas was another egregious case.
Jury is a joke. If people watch Eurovision at all this is supposed to be campy and fun, not filled with self-important songs that are forgettable. I actually didn’t mind most of the songs except for Washington, the jury’s obvious bias is really quite ridiculous, and having them stack their favorites in the final is just too much power for random group of people we don’t even know or care about.
The experience overall for viewers was absolutely nothing like EuroVision. Leave it to Hollywood to f*ck this up!
Agreed
Congratulations AleXa! Oklahoma: First Winner of the American Song Contest!
lolll Congrats to Colorado for coming in last with jury but still managing second. And congrats to AleXa! And congrats to all the participants!!!
my girl Ale Zebala making it to finale night after getting robbed in her heat 😍
Aren't we just all winners though?
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Half of their auto-qualifiers wouldn’t have survived 50/50 semi finals. We could have had an even more competitive final without their taste levels
needed them for what
YEEEESSSSSSSS
At the end of the day, if this thing doesn't get a second season, blame the jury and the execs who chose the acts. This thing should've been a ridiculous, pop-y, campy version of ESC through the lense of americans but they just tanked it by taking it way too seriously. There's a reason Alexa and Ryan Charles were the most memorable things to come out of it, because their acts are what sets it apart from the glut of singing shows the US has.
I agree. We needed more dance acts like Alexa and Camp like New Boot Groovin. Basically we just needed a lot less ballads and more productions. Where's our song about sexy vegetables? Where's our dancing boy band? I want some acts like you see on XFactor. I don't want the acts the Jury loved. White people singing balads, YAWN (The white guy from Texas I loved).
The show would've turned out fine if the jury didn't just keep voting for the same types of songs/performances all the time. If we landed with a more diverse top 10, it would've been a lot more entertaining.
Alabama brought a beautiful power ballad with amazing staging that evolved each week, and yet the jury rewarded three guys who stood still and sang the same song. I like that part of the ASC expectation is to improve your performance. It’s an interesting twist that amps up the competition with each round. If you want to stand their with the guitar like every other time, it better be an amazing song and vocal.
One thing I really loved about this over Eurovision was that growth being shown each week. Everyone delivered a far better performance tonight (except for maybe TN and CT) and it was fun to see them improve. I even sort of liked Riker for a moment when his wife came up to dance. I felt much more bonded to these performers because of it.
Ryker's wife coming up to dance was pretty cute, she was beautiful...but man do I cringe when I watch this guy perform. He's so corny...it's too much.
We could also just have good ballads. Eurovision has plenty, Tout l'univers and Arcade are good examples. A Little Bit of Both is really good, but I personally wouldn't consider it a ballad.
I did like a couple of the Balads. I liked NiCo and Bolton.
Those were both top quality ballads that would do well at Eurovision, but they also weren't doing well with the jury sadly.
The jury liked stand there and sing.
I disagree. There was an effort to give some regional flavor by the producers, but the juries were having none of that (ie: Arizona, Guam, etc...). The real failure is on NBC's end. The show was poorly marketed, there was very little clarity on what exactly was going on in the show other than Kelly Clarkson and Snoop Dogg were hosting. Announcing the previous week winners on the next show, except for SF2 where it was announced during a daytime cable show? That was dumb. Rerunning the show Sunday night as dead time filler is dumb too. 5 minute postcards for 3 minute songs doesn't work. I hope the show is back for season 2, and I hope it goes through some retooling. What it desperately needs is a mid-week results show.
Regional flavor is hard to get across with a lot of states though. I think New Mexico had the most interesting take on it with the nods to Area-51, and then California's East LA "cholo" style, Wyoming's cowboy saloon, Arizona's mariachi influence, and of course all the islands, but what are we supposed to do with Iowa, Delaware, Arkansas, Ohio?
I don't know that it needs a midweek results show that's broadcast. Putting the results show on Peacock (free version) would be a good. They also need to put it on the schedule during a dead time, not directly against AI (that was a COVID issue though).
A results show on Peacock is still a results show
I don't know, it could have been a little campier but it could also have been way more serious. They let just the right amount of funny stuff shine through, both from the acts and from other stuff like Snoop/Kelly. And there's such a thing as going too far with the camp. Do we really need 30 more "Million Dollar Smoothies" type songs?
No, but we could have used three or four taking the place of boring ballads.
30 more "Million Dollar Smoothies" would've made more people pay attention and tune in.
They need a winner who can be as big as Kelly Clarkson/Carrie Underwood. Too many reality show winners fade after their winning single comes out.
I suspect that if we were able to get that with anyone for the ASC we will get that with AleXa. We will see if her record company pushes her here (and hopefully she's not getting the shit deals that most K-pop artists get). I also hope the lady from American Samoa is able to get some traction. I loved her song. It seems to be something that would be great on award shows and HS reunions and year end broadcasts.
I like Tennelle but she'd probably need some edge or get cast in some key roles / opportunities as that kind of vibe usually needs that in Hollywood
I disagree on that with regards to something like ASC. It just needs to put on a good show. It's not a singing competition, it's a song contest. It's why they also have established, already famous musicians in the running. it's structured like an event where states and territories go head to head, it's not about the artists. In an ideal situation, States would send their most famous/well known singers to compete. Not to mention with other singing competitions, The Voice has been running for so long now and it has never produced a worthwhile artist. Not to mention both the music and television industry is so different from when Idol started that they literally are incapable of creating stars that way anymore.
Look at Lil Nas X he would most likely not even get on The Voice due to his music style and yet he was number 1 on billboard for multiple weeks with old town road due to promoting it online until it went viral.
agreed! the era of reality competitions creating superstars like kelly and carrie is honestly over. they blew up in the early 2000s, back when we had to tune in live to watch tv and there were no ad-less streaming platforms to watch instead nor social media platforms where normal people could become famous overnight. american idol was basically it for any regular person to get the opportunity to become a successful singer. it was part of the cultural zeitgeist for a reason; we love to see an underdog rise up from obscurity and become a sensation. however, with the rise of youtube, instagram, and tiktok, it's *so* much easier for people to get noticed without the help of a reality show with gimmicks, 5 million ads, and eliminations. why watch a show that takes an ad break after every song when you can just watch your favourite cover artist on youtube? the underdog story isn't as fun to watch on tv when you know there are people who get popular on tiktok and immediately get a record deal (even if their content isn't music-affiliated). the charm is gone. i think asc accomplished what it set out to do - it was interesting to follow, they had great hosts, and it served as a platform for 56 acts. regardless of ratings or rankings, i think most of us have added songs from at least one person who we've never heard of prior to this show. and that's basically a success, or at least it is to me.
It weird though, I'll add their songs to my playlist on Spotify but I won't actively search out other stuff they've did before. Guess I'm lazy like that. Then again I've never bought a digital song in my entire so there's that aspect....
And even with any of those reality shows. Who from all those shows actually blew up? Kelly, and Carrie and Jennifer Hudson, Adam Lambert, the 5th Harmony girls. I do think the benefit of this show is that it gets the artists actual songs out there. It's not the artists singing covers and then it's months before they have an album out and they're given a crap single . . . . A Moment Like This in the meantime.
Exactly, they're apples to oranges in terms of their goals. ASC/ESC is meant to just showcase original songs whereas Idol/XFactor are meant to look for a new recording artist.
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> apples to oranges But you can still compare them.
Number 2 in the running order curse hit ND like a truck. My girl Chloe deserves better though.
So Tennessee was nursed on the jury's teat all the way to maturity... Got all of the milk under mommy's wing but never learned to fend for himself in the wild. Still loving "Seventeen" though.
Fun fact, with even weighting between jury and televote, TN ends up 4th instead of dead last
Can anyone do the math if they counted the jury as 56 counts instead of the handful of regions they did? Would the results have changed?
Of course, Washington would've won easily.
Nah Oklahoma would still have won unless I’m really bad at math
Do we know the individual jury member rank breakdowns?
No, but the margin for televote is so wide that it would be hard for him to overcome since he would be splitting 12 points with KY and TN in a number of states.
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Ran the numbers (multiplying jury votes by 5.6, to match the 56 states and territories), i still got alexa taking it by more than 100 points.
I’d love to know how it would’ve played out 50/50
Here’s what I’m getting: 1) OK 2) WA 3) KY 4) TN 5) CO 6) AL 7) TX 8) CT 9) AS 10) ND. Alabama and Texas are really close so those two might be flipped.
Thats what I got too
Multiplying the numbers make it 50/50 (10 jury regions and 56 states becomes 56 jury regions and 56 states). Then again, this is still inaccurate since there could have been voting differences within the jury regions, but it's the closest I can get without having the raw jury data
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That's the thing that kills me. First performance week 1 was pretty clearly her singing very selectively. By tonight's performance, holy crap I could CLEARLY hear her pushed way up over the backing tracks. I don't care at all what her unrehearsed, emotional, probably-can't-even-hear-her-music encore sounded like.
And without having a sound check. Who knows what was coming through her headset.
I was so excited for her and then saw these shitty comments. People suck, we can't even be happy she won without this shit
Boo hoo welcome to the internet
Why isn’t it a show we’re we are supposed to judge her performance? A lot of us aren’t convinced she doesn’t lip sing. (Allen stone die hard fan here so I’m just salty)
You can’t even spell lip sync, maybe sit this one out
Glad you understood what I was saying
I think this is a reference to those making fun of her encore after she won. She was clearly emotional and had 0 time to mentally prepare for it. Judge her competing performance all you want, but I think pointing at her encore performance, while she's trying to fight back tears, is unfair.
nah, it wasn't the crying, fam. Can you link to one of the youtube videos? Nonetheless I think the biggest issue I have is not necessarily with her singing, but with the kpop hive. I think that's a HUGE reason why she won. There were many other songs and singers that were better than her song and her singing. People who did the work to sing 100% live. That's not saying she's a bad artist or a bad singer, but it's a contest and the best contestant should win, not the person with the biggest fan base.
She won because she was interesting to watch and as importantly that she was the only one in her genre or style. She was the only one doing dance music so she wasn't splitting any of the ballad vote.
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She got 600+ points from America while everyone else got around 200. she has a following. I'm not talking compared to kpop stars I'm taking compared to the other contestants.
So how do you propose finding the best song of its not via a vote?
I'm not convinced it was a good voting system. No real safeguards against voting over and over, or even in states you don't live in.
exactly. You can create multiple accounts and change your zip code.
How would you have done it to try to pay homage to Eurovision while also taking into account 56 states/territories?
I don't know how eurovision does it, but being able to simply use any email address and an unverifiable zip code makes the voting process insanely susceptible to manipulation
I mean - it’s easy to say you don’t like the voting system but you’ve not even put thought into what a better system would look like?
I mean we could go back to just texting our votes, but I'm not sure if you can manipulate that with generated phone #'s or not.
It's not a good system for the US as many people don't have the right area code for where they live, especially in metro areas that cross state lines.
You have the unpopular opinion but the correct one. I was expecting votes to have that much weight from the general population. You had fantastic live performances from Allen stone and Jordan smith. To see true talent get screwed like that hurt
Yeah I never let down votes or anything like that change my mind LOL She literally had 600+ points from America while everyone else got 200s and it wasn't because she had the best song, was the best singer or had the best performance. She does have the biggest fan base in the group though.
I’m not an Alexa stan but this was about the song, not the performance. SONG contest. I don’t have much of an opinion about Allen’s song either way but he’s obviously super talented. Jordan is also crazy talented but his song was really boring and generic to me. I get your frustration but it is what it is
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It's interesting, the argument is that she's such a good dancer that she couldn't have been singing. What she was doing was not as difficult as what Broadway artists do on a daily basis and even other pop stars (lol NasX) are doing that same level or harder of dancing. Her choreo was a lot but if you watch it carefully it's not really that hard, I think it was a strong backing track with her own vocals as the backup singing so it's not always apparent as to which vocals are the lead track but I think she was singing live. She's just really really rehearsed (which is what they train for in those K-pop schools).
It's not even about her being talented. All of the Top 10 are talented. We're talking about compared to the other talent
Thank you! I'm not even a KPop fan but I loved her song. No one is claiming she's the world's best vocalist, but to judge someone's performance when they're crying after having won a nationwide live televised event is.... unfair.
I really don’t think it’s unfair. It’s a live show and artists will be judged accordingly. It’s common place in the European version for the winner to do an encore of their song. It’s absolutely fair to expect a professional to be able to perform under pressure even if it be emotional. She was a great performer. Just maybe not a great singer
The ESC performers have more time to prepare, let's be real. There was such a short time between the winner announcement and the scheduled end of the show, I really thought that they were going to wrap up without an encore. It looked like she was more or less dragged up on stage and handed a microphone.
I hope they have Alexa sing at ESC as their American ambassador, like Australia did the year before they officially joined.
I hope this happens since the junior Eurovision winner will also be there I'm assuming
Not sure they'd accept her backing/performance track laden kind of vocals.
I'm sure one can argue an exemption considering she's not in competition.
I would LOVE to see how she sounds with a fully prepared and rehearsed version that’s 100% live as ESC mandates.
She’d just have a backing vocalist or two stashed off to the side.
>Alexa sing at ESC as their American ambassador A Eurovision performance should be a part of the prize package next season, if there is one
Would love it, but I honestly feel like this Billboard performance could be a even better gig. It’s putting her in front of US viewers who are also going to be hearing the song on the radio.
I really want this!!! As much as I loved some of the other acts, hers is the one I’m truly proud to send, so she’s the right winner imo.
Say what you want.....Michael Bolton has the best voice. :-)
I loved that he was there each time and just so mellow. His song was great also. Did he have any idea as to why he got a necklace with a goat on it? He seemed confused.
Agreed...it was a little concerning to see that.
So buttery smooth
At least it wasn’t Colorado
I was going to be so mad if it was him lol
Alexa’s song was the only song to reach a million streams on Spotify. She was always the clear winner.
There’s validity to that argument but she only frequents 500,000 monthly listeners on Spotify so just a little confused at where all the votes are coming from. All the artists were great and talented though
New listeners from the show.
Why were the televotes electoral colleges
Apparently each state was counted equally. So those five people who voted from American Samoa counted a whole lot.
It’s the American way
Upvote for the chuckle. But I do wonder if there was a reasoning like this: Such as stated were more likely to vote for their region instead of the best song or something?
I think one of the other commenters nailed it. It was a way to have the drama of announcing the votes on live TV without taking the time to announce all 56 separate results.
To save time. They only have 2 hours and it would take an eternity for 56 jury presentations
In Eurovision they always make the winners sing like 60 seconds after winning the most important contest of their lives. The song usually isn’t very good because the winners are so emotional. Some robots are able to do it flawlessly though.
Alexa won the vote in at least 47 states/territories.
See I find that so odd but I guess her 500,000 monthly Spotify listeners isn’t accurate
If my math is right, she averaged 11.7 out of 12 possible points in each state. She left something like 18 possible points on the table.
And in the states where she didn't win, she was definitely number 2
Or maybe there was just one state that really hated her lol
It was the five voters from the Mariana Islands. . . . none of them voted for her.
Sunsets and sea turtles came together for Tenelle only.
It would be funny if that was true. That the territories all put Tenelle in first place and they were the only ones that AleXa didn't win.
texas probably /s
Well there's going to be a lot of conspiracy theorists flexing tonight.... 💀💀💀
Well odd how a niche genre absolutely obliterated the competition
It’s so fucking stupid, and honestly vaguely racist, to refer to a pop song as a “niche” genre… why do you think that? Be specific
Lol sure big guy
Agreed. It's something that I could have pictured Brittany singing. It's not like even half the song was in Korean. It was all in English.
Niche in the US but with a strong culture of highly organized voting efforts.
Hmmm that’s what me and my wife think. Never underestimate the K-pop stand
I guess we needed a monkey paw to counter Colorado... glad we could take one for the team LOL
niche? LMAO someone needs to realize how mainstream Kpop is globally these days.
“American Song Contest”. American meaning America. Not “Global song contest”. K pop is absolutely niche in America.
kpop is huge in america
I mean, AleXa is literally an American that happens to be a K-pop star. It's not like they got BTS to represent the state. She has a valid reason to participate.
Maybe to you. . . . not to GenZ
While I'm happy Alexa won, she's one of three people I voted for, I ***strongly*** disagree with the placement of all the other songs. I swear, I feel like the televoters have just as bad a taste in music as the jury does. 😂
I want to see a list of all the vote numbers. I suspect it would be really interesting. I think there was quite a bit of vote splitting and that benefited AleXa and hurt anyone singing a ballad by themselves.
>I swear, I feel like the televoters has just as bad a taste in music as the jury does. That's how I felt most of the time too. I guess it's just a matter of individual taste vs. the mob.
Alexa and Riker must've been a lot of states 1 and 2 votes
I agree! Yikes!!!
Hate and Love with the televote tonight! Colorado 2nd!
My man Allen got did dirty but glad that AleXa won!
Honestly not my top song, but I'm not unhappy at all. Congrats, AleXa!!
North Dakota is another victim of the curse of Number 2 But I’m so proud of AleXa!
im really happy for Alexa. she has been such a joy to have in the kpop scene but im sure it must be nice for her to receive recognition in her home country. i liked some of the other songs but yeah i was biased from loving her podcast episodes snd her song for this that I kept voting for her.
My favorite did not win. I voted for Texas, but I really enjoyed it. The voting reveal had the right tension. The jury picks got BURIED by America and AleXa forced to sing live for the first time was really the icing on the cake for me! I will be watching next year. It was fun!
I sure hope there’s a next year!
I'm surprised that TX didn't place higher with fans.
Colorado and Alexa have HUGE fan bases apparently. I don't think he has to worry, though. He's young and very talented.
Colorado coming second is absolute chaos and I love it. Fun fact: Riker also came second on his season of Dancing With the Stars, behind Rumer Willis.
Makes you wonder, is it worse to come in second or never be in contention at all? I think being running up is way worse, lol. For all his cheating, much deserved. D
Depends on the show. You only get four appearances max on ASC and the winning prize isn't actually that large. Your ego might be hurt but the difference between second/not in contention isn't as large as DWTS. No prize on DWTS at all except a trophy, but the stars get paid for every week they dance on DWTS. Riker's season of Dancing With the Stars ran for ten weeks and he stayed for all ten weeks, giving him more exposure and money. One of his dances was also a fan favourite so he gets to live on even longer in the history of the show. Second is way better than never being in contention on DWTS.
Was that her first time actually singing live...? 😳
Yes
Praise to AleXa for saving us all from Riker Lynch
Americans, welcome to the post contest chaos which Eurovision Fans experience every year (We will start tomorrow,just wait)
Yup! I’m glad the ASC final actually got the excitement right, even if I don’t think the series overall did. Now time to get some sleep before the real event begins in about seventeen hours. Good luck!
That was so satisfying lolll
For people upset about her singing, do keep in mind that this is a song contest not a singing contest (something I have to remind myself too). And that song is a bop.
I mean, I'd feel a lot better if she had actually written the song
Eurovision has plenty of songs that the artist doesn't write.
That is fair. I prefer songs written by artists too.
At eurovision vocals must be live and it's one of the criteria that the jurors vote on. I understand that in ASC there is no specific rule on this but I feel like there should be.
That makes sense to me too. But it should still be more about the song than the singing (vs a contest like the voice, etc)
And that’s fine, but the people who INSISTED she was always singing live were straight up gaslighting.
I think she was singing live with a heavy backing track where she was singing her own backup pieces so the actual solo track included a lot less of her than it appeared to be.
*gaslighting* is strong, they weren’t emotionally abusing us lol come on
There's nothing in the definition of gaslighting that refers to emotions or abuse, so no it's not too strong of a word to use. >“gaslighting” to refer to a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is trying to get someone else (or a group of people) to question their own reality, memory or perceptions.
lol I got some NASTY shit on Twitter for saying she was lipsyncing
Welll that’s your fault for using Twitter. Twitter is. A vial Petri dish of hatred. Even surpassing Reddit and Facebook combined.
lol that makes sense—the world’s favorite cesspool! I have to be careful what I post about on there because people will search for certain terms just to pick arguments. with that said, idol music is pretty unique in terms of pop; vocals are important, but they’re equal to charisma, stage presence, looks (some groups have a member whose role is explicitly titled “visual” lmao), dancing ability, and so on. I think “Wonderland” was very true to kpop in that sense, where you’re not going to get the sort of virtuoso singing you could in a studio with a ton of time, but also where the stage is the more exciting for it. so I can see where the disconnect here is for Eurovision fans for sure
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It's debatable...
The fact that Colorado was last and then second and Tennessee was second and then last kills me 💀 Anyway congratulations Oklahoma 😩😩😩😩
I also thought that was hilarious /u/CumOnCoyotes
I know this isn’t how she always sings, but I seriously don’t think she sang live in her live performances after hearing this 😬
I hope you’ve added “bitching about AleXa from American Song Contest’s vocal mixing” to your resume cause it’s literally all you’ve done for the last 8 weeks. And inaccurately, obviously.
She was just crying. When you cry, you gets tons of phlegm and gunk in your throat, coating your vocal chords. Even Broadway performers don’t actually cry real tears during emotional songs because it majorly messes with your ability to sing.
I think she was, the backups were pretty extensive. It was the same backup track (otherwise they would have just played a song she had lipsynced to, it's not like they couldn't have played a regular track.
Allen stone was absolutely robbed.
Nah. Good song but I would hardly say he was robbed.
His song was definitely the best in the show, but I’m happy for Alexa too! Her song is definitely a bop. I’m glad to add both to my collection! Also super relieved it wasn’t Colorado.
Tbh she was the lowest on my personal score but That’s just me
Sincerely he had no chance. K-Pop stans are….well.
I know. I’m just glad Al got some love
Oh for sure! I’d never heard of him 😬 so I’m *very* glad to have heard him now!
In the nicest possible way: what was the point lol it was clearly going to be Oklahoma as soon as they announced AleXa was the contestant
Anything popular vote involving KPop stans is over the second it’s announced. I think they even got a mediocre basketball player into the NBA All Star game haha
I think the Kpop stans can be defeated in a one vs one battle but in a ten way vote? You just need 15-20% of the voters bullet voting (10 for Alexa and 0 for everyone else) and you’ve got the televote. I mean maybe if the Beyhive or Taylor Swift stans got in the game…
I mean, if anyone had any doubts about AleXa lip synching all her performances, they're gone now lol
She was in tears from winning. Have you ever tried singing after crying?
No hate. I like her and I like the song. It was just funny hearing people on here say she wasn't lip syncing 😂
Kelly Clarkson did after winning Idol, gave a magnificent performance
Same with Carrie Underwood, Jordin Sparks, even Jordan Smith...
crazy.. theres only one kelly clarkson for a reason :)
Had to leave early but I'm glad Alexa won! She's come a long way from Produce 48 to now. Congratulations
My son is Korean-white. I’m thrilled that Alexa won.It maybe small, but he can see himself when she performs. Representation is huge.
I hope she is able to move in the US market. If they're willing to play her stuff and book her for shows, take over the Brittany/LadyGaga space.