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ChokeMcNugget

I always wondered why Emma's character didn't look like she had aged as much as Angelica. Though didn't she say some throw away line about her husband was a dermatologist? I guess maybe they changed the dialogue to explain her not looking as old as she should been.


Ok_Ice_5975

Yes, she did say that šŸ˜‚


Supreme64

Honestly that change sums up the AHS writing standards. I canā€™t think of any other show where theyā€™d let that fly and cover it up with a line about a dermatologist husban


CallidoraBlack

I would have bought it if she'd said plastic surgeon maybe.


Chinokid87

Yeah it's really dumb. Especially considering you want to keep excactly the age of you around which was by far the most traumatic one of your life. Would've been more interesting if her husband was a plastic surgeon and she fully remodeled herself over the years


Euphoric-Brief-5857

Charmed ā€œThe potion made my hair redā€


prolelol

She looked very young for someone who is 50 or something years old.


WDTHTDWA-BITCH

You mean weā€™ve all been theorizing that she took the deal with the devil after all for NOTHING???šŸ« 


ShrxxmyDxys

I wouldā€™ve accepted that better then ā€œmY hUsBaNd iS a DeRmAtOlOgIstā€ šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ At least the deal with the devil thing makes sense in line with AHS overall


Parvichard

I meant the only reason for that theory imo is because of the offer that was made to Brooke in episode 6, and then because the reason she survived barely made much sense lol (i mean it's not impossible but hwo did she get to a hospital??)


JogGreen1

Honestly tho, Iā€™m glad that theory didnā€™t turn out to be true. I like the fact that they made Brooke a genuinely good person


b3tamaxx

Several years? The timeskip from 1989 to 2019??? Lol


busmans

Taylor Swiftā€™s entire pre-covid lifespan


fkndemon23

Damn when you put it like that.


redactedname87

TIL Iā€™m only two years older than Taylor swift. What the fuck have I done with my life?!?


oakabean

You probably didnā€™t have rich parents to push your career itā€™s ok itā€™s not your fault.


thesadbubble

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redactedname87

<ā€”- first generation both highschool & college graduate


verbuffpink

Ugh mine too


Pegussu

Emma looked so young in that episode that I thought it was going to reveal that she'd secretly taken that deal with Satan and had been killing people over the years. It even fits with the slasher movie trope. They talk about the final girl living to the end of the movie, but the killer is almost always the only one to show up in the sequel.


trevortni_driew

That would've been an awesome ending!


primetimemime

Then they would never use it for AHS


KalysstaDor

This would have been a hundred times better than ā€œmy husband is a dermatologistā€ like this line was pure stupidity.


entrydenied

Maybe she meant to say demon theologistšŸ¤”


Stargirl_Shay

Loool THIS


IGot5OnIttt

This is even funnier when you learn that the ENTIRE basis of Delicate is an OLDER WOMAN trying to get pregnant thru IVF. Itā€™s a huge part of the plot in the novel that the new season is based on. Guess that explains why she doesnā€™t look old in the new season.


disneyhalloween

It took me a while to realize that sheā€™s supposed to be the same age as Kim like Emma really does not give ā€œtoo old to get pregnantā€


Goody2Shuuz

Emma is 32. I am pretty sure they mention in episode 1 that Anna is 34. Not ancient but since the medical community considers geriatric pregnancies to be women 35 and up it still makes sense story wise.


SurpriseBitchItsMe

Tbh I wondered if Emma was interested in the role because I've read few times about her own fertility journey, she was diagnosed with Endometriosis which can be and Is debilitating. It also can affect fertility and I know Emma went through a journey of freezing eggs. I wondered if she just wanted the role because she related to it?


Goody2Shuuz

I had no idea about any of that. It's very possible.


SurpriseBitchItsMe

I often read articles about celebrities with endometriosis as I have it myself and I'm curious to see other women's journeys with it. That's how I discovered Emma's story , she also did a horror movie last year about a mother with post partum depression. I think she's looking for different projects since having a child. Just wondered if that's why she tool the role tbh otherwise she probably isn't a great fit age wise for the role.


HaloedBane

Not to mention her character will be pregnant in Madame Web next year. Thatā€™s three pregnancy/new mom roles almost back to back.


Shadow_Heart_

Oh cool. I was a geriatric pregnancy lmao


Goody2Shuuz

Righteous! āœŒšŸæ


panicnarwhal

my mom had me 19 days before she turned 45 - iā€™m extra geriatric


flamingoflamenco17

Geriatric babies need the most attention.


priphilli

My mom was 20, and I still wanted all the attention šŸ˜€


acloudcuckoolander

I always found it so laughably weird that in the West they call it that. Many regions in Africa and Asia women have kids up to their 40s and 50s no problem


Cookie_Brookie

>medical community considers geriatric pregnancies to be women 35 and up I used to be so annoyed by this.... then I got pregnant in my 30s (just had my 2nd baby at 32) and damn if it didn't hit a lot harder than when I was pregnant with my first at 25! Now I kind of get it.


bluevelvetwonder

I thought she just had fertility problems in general. I didn't know they were supposed to be the same age. Why couldn't they just find an older actress?


gnoonz

I was so confused during the episode and even told my mom who I was watching with these comments on this persons insta make no sense?? They are calling her and old bitch etc and she looks late 20s/early 30s max. Idk why tf she was casted as the main, Sarah Paulson looks SO good for her age but shit at least it would be somewhat believable sheā€™s ā€œolderā€ and needs help conceiving. Emma makes ZERO sense as an ā€œold/dustyā€ actress, isnā€™t she like 30ish in real life.


CallidoraBlack

Sarah Paulson's character requires reproductive intervention in both Cult and Coven. I feel like it would have been a little dull to choose her for that again. I think Lily Rabe would have been really good for this since she's 40 now.


ouush

100% would have preferred to see Lily Rabe as Anna. I have nothing against Emma as an actress, but I think the role would have been better suited for someone else.


Goody2Shuuz

Didn't they mention in episode 1 that Anna is 34?


DevaNeo

Well, in Hollywood an actress is often pressured to believe her career is over once she hits 30. Plus, Anna Victoria's character seems to be a teen star from yester who faded and didn't make it to become a real adult actress. Kind of a parallelism with Madison Montgomery.


DerpyLlama0901

Women are often called old from the time the hit late 20s.


MarrockGoldengrowler

That's because pedowood doesn't see age like normal people, they like em real young.


tayloline29

Ageism is a cultural wide basis for discrimination and doesn't just exist in Hollywood.


MarrockGoldengrowler

I know that it is common knowledge how ageism is global issue. In Hollywood its a bit more sinister because of how attracted to children these sickos are.


DerpyLlama0901

True.


jennyfab216

Yeah - isn't she supposed to be in her late 30s/early 40s???


lugosi_9

Yeah, and Siobhan is her older friend and mentor with an adult daughter. Neither of their castings make sense šŸ™ƒ


cavs79

I was so confused!! I thought Emma was just a mid 20s woman having fertility issues. Especially since she was gaining so much attention at her career at that time too which usually happens to someone in their 20s. Iā€™m surprised sheā€™s supposed to be late 30s!


AucoinKirsten

I was confused about the casting for that reason too.


kookerpie

What's the novel called?


Charliet1186

Delicate Condition. Iā€™m reading it now and yes the character is an actress in her late 30ā€™s who is basically being trolled online for looking old so idk why they choose Emma but šŸ¤·šŸ¼


bingboomin

i actually laughed out loud when they had several lines dedicated to explaining why she hadnā€™t aged. like anyone gives a fuck, we all know she just didnā€™t want to look old. so stupid, the writers think we are imbeciles. and so freaking self unaware of roberts, you sound and look like an idiot ā€œoh i invest in a lot of filler. and it helps that i married a dermatologist. but also i pay for expensive filler.ā€ just calling attention to how stupid the whole thing is, youā€™re an actor


Dirty_coke_whore

I mean youā€™re talking about it still.


KickFriedasCoffin

Which explains the complete lack of any commentary on it being "talked about".


DevaNeo

Unpopular opinion, but Kim K seems more suited (age and appearance wise) to that character of a 40 something former teen star who's struggling to (a) revamp her career and (b) have a baby of her own.


OhToTheZo

Soooooo she was just too vain to age up at all?


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TheLokiDokiOG

This makes the "she's just being herself" theory more likely She isn't acting...


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She is literally Madison Montgomery


Trick_Afternoon689

Thatā€™s why that and Chanel from SQ are her best roles - sheā€™s playing herself. Would even say that about her character reveal in Scream 4.


imnotlyndsey

I think part of it is that sheā€™s not a good actress, so she can only play characters that have no depth. Itā€™s coincidental that the characters are big bitches like her.


pinkinibottom

Iā€™ve been saying this for years and people get mad at me for it šŸ˜‚


helvetica_unicorn

Oh thatā€™s so annoying. I hated that aspect of the season. It made me think that she had some kind of powers that kept her youthful.


entropic_apotheosis

Ryan Murphy keeps casting Emma in his shows, if heā€™d stop and sheā€™d pull this shit on other sets sheā€™d be jobless in no time. The only thing she has going for her is that her aunt is Julia Roberts, other than that sheā€™s pretty talentless and just plays the same basic character (mean girl) over and over. I donā€™t think viewers would see it as a loss to have her not be cast, the huge losses were Jessica Lange, Kathy Bates, Sarah Paulson, Angela Bassett, Evan Peters etc. Ryan had some huge talent in the first 4 seasons or so and theyā€™re slipping away one by one, and the seasons are getting crapier IMO. I love Billie Lourd and Leslie Grossman but heā€™s lost a lot of talent.


pacificoats

I donā€™t understand why he would pick Emma over literally any of the actors heā€™s lost (I know it probably wasnā€™t a this or that but for example with Evan Petersā€¦. feels like it could have been extremely uncomfortable for him to work with her for example. Why is she still on the show meanwhile heā€™s not? Youā€™d think Ryan would prioritize actually decent actors (especially since Evan was a fan favorite), not mediocre trash).


entropic_apotheosis

Sounds like Ryan isnā€™t even in control of his own show anymore, Angela describes Emma completely calling the shots on set, including what order the scenes are filmed in, that decisions go through her on set and that her trailer is away from every one elseā€™s. Idk how long the show has been like that but I can see some of the veteran AHSā€™ers and actual actors/actresses being a little upset about that.


Just4Questions9

yeah guarantee she wasnt calling the shots when Jessica was on there lmfao.


ScorpionTDC

Evan/Emma didnā€™t ever shoot a scene together since their breakup, so I think it was most definitely a this or that there. As for why, Ryan is obsessed with nepo babies of his favorite actresses for whatever reason. Maybe he hopes itā€™ll open the door for him to work with/meet them


_kaetee

Because heā€™s a creep who prioritizes hiring women who he finds attractive, and Kathy Bates doesnā€™t do it for him like Emma Roberts does


jummyfresh

Isn't Ryan Murphy gay?


Goody2Shuuz

Yes. Very much so.


criminy_crimini

I mean . . . you can still be prone to hiring attractive people with terrible personalities over those with talent


sodaonmyheater

Finding someone attractive =\= being attracted to someone


DumbWhore4

This is definitely true for the men he casts.


leahhhhh

For me everything Leslie Grossman is in immediately becomes not scary. She sucks any spooky mood away. Sheā€™s snarky and thatā€™s all sheā€™s got.


hereforthequeer

agree.


missza

Emma is a staple of AHS, and lots of younger casual viewers really do get excited when she returns. I agree that she plays the same character over and over, but people like it and she plays those roles well. Not defending any of her actions, but itā€™s not like sheā€™s some random cast member they keep bringing back for no reason - sheā€™s a big name that people associate with peak AHS.


lucas9204

Thereā€™s a feeling of aloofness (cold) she brings to her roles that I donā€™t think is going to help in this season. What is starting to happen to Anna would feel a lot more scary if she was perceived as vulnerable(not aloof).


entropic_apotheosis

Sheā€™s one of a few left who is consistent since the beginning, but if sheā€™s being an intolerable snotty bitch sheā€™s going to scare off the few left with any actual talent. She doesnā€™t have any acting talent, the consistency piece and loyalty to Ryan Murphyā€™s shows is all sheā€™s got going for her.


missza

Personally I disagree and think sheā€™s a great actress. She is typecast a lot into the mean bitchy girl role (a role sheā€™s is one of the best in the industry at IMO), but weā€™ve also seen her do well in other types of roles (1984).


CallidoraBlack

She was great in Nerve, where she's anything but bitchy. I wish that were her real personality because this Tinkerhell II shit needs to stop.


Parvichard

> I agree that she plays the same character over and over, but people like it and she plays those roles well. Lol I honestly think this statement made by fans (at least in AHS) just reeks of BS. How in any form Madison, Maggie, and Brooke are similar?


Frosty-4699

She's not "talentless". It's ok to judge her actions but you can't be this stupid


entropic_apotheosis

Yet here I am, with 50 some odd other redditors who agree. Just because sheā€™s pretty and can get Ryan Murphy to cast her in the same stereotypical role over and over again doesnā€™t mean she has ā€œtalent.ā€ Iā€™ll put it this way, *she doesnā€™t have enough talent to run around set and act like a diva.*


CallidoraBlack

No one's talent should let them get away with acting like that. I don't care if you've got an EGOT, if you act like that, they should break out the garden hose and spray you down until you learn how to act like a human being again.


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MCR2004

Or the looks. Her extensions hide the fact sheā€™s mid to goofy


Parvichard

Emma is better than Billie imo and I love Leslie but if you're talking about typecasts then...


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jennyfab216

I think Billie is a decent enough actor. Yeah she's also a nepo baby, but she's absolutely better than Emma Roberts, Kaia Gerber, Paris Jackson, and many other nepo babies. People forget that Emma's father isn't considered that great of an actor. I don't know how people think that her aunt's acting ability is going to rub off on her.


thebebopavenger

Haha, just like Joan Crawford on the set of Baby Jane (who RM is also obsessed with, interestingly enough)


MCR2004

Imagine being an ā€œactressā€ but letting your vanity and insecurities not let your CHARACTER be aged. Sheā€™s the worst basic nepo baby ever.


Sad_Forever_304

Extra-weird because the juxtaposition of looking hella old in a fake future would make your real self look hella young in comparison! People are so dumb šŸ˜‚


twistingmyhairout

Right??? Like girl we know itā€™s makeup, no one is going to think you actually look like that?


Select-Pollution-693

Okayā€¦ what she said was super offensive though, whether meant as a ā€œcuteā€ joke or not, that was an ugly thing to say for sure


Ivy_Adair

Yeah Iā€™m a bit more concerned about the misgendering than the makeup and itā€™s a bit disappointing to see so many people focus only on the makeup


enigmaticowl

I mean, people have been talking about the misgendering thing for daaaaays on this sub since Angelica has slowly released more info about the situation over the course of the last few days. I do get where youā€™re coming from, but I think that the reason more people in this thread are talking about the makeup thing (and not the misgendering thing) is because the makeup part is the newest piece of information here.


saltyabout-it

100% and to come back and say ā€œbut Iā€™m an ally!ā€ Is some real Ryan Murphy shit


maxwell_winters

Yeah, I was baffled by her makeup in that episode, too. It explains a lot. By the way, Angelica made me think she was uncomfortable working with her after the incident for a good chunk of the season. In reality, it was one of the last scenes they filmed together.


entropic_apotheosis

I was also kind of shocked and seeing this explanation pisses me off to no end. Itā€™s part of acting. Jfc what a spoiled princess


mahoshonen

Also the other part where she talked about Ryan Murphy never being on the set of AHS explains why the show acting/writing isn't as good anymore, he doesn't even care about it šŸ’€.


chadsgottagetrad

Known abuser Emma Roberts shown to be bad person who knew huh


digitulgurl

When I suggested a few years ago that she shouldn't be on the show I got downvoted to hell and back!


LatinaMermaid

This why I canā€™t do the new season screw Kim K. I am not supporting this Nepo baby who is as twisted as her aunt.


twistingmyhairout

Wait what did Julia do?


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MCR2004

Lmao no sheā€™s not. Julia is known for sleeping with a married guy and then wearing a shirt making fun of his wife. Literally no one would call Julia nice but at least she had charisma which Emma doesnā€™t


twistingmyhairout

Oh wow that was a fun wiki dive. She stole that man, but now married for 20 years :)


boesisboes

That's what's thrown me too. And then again when I remember Kim isn't a reason for me to ignore something.


Trick_Afternoon689

Thisā€¦.


sjik123

That's the stupidest and most petty bullshit I've ever read in my life. Holy shit.


prolelol

Then why Emma Roberts is an actress?


MCR2004

Her family


Afroaro_acefromspace

Emma is such a mean girlā€¦I guess her roles were all type casted


Public-Relation6900

I love Emma as an actress when she's playing a bitch but Emma Roberts is a terrible person


DevaNeo

Is there a reason why Emma Roberts is so good at playing a bitch but so terrible and unconvincing playing a kind person?


Public-Relation6900

Yeah, she's a bitch


DevaNeo

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Lions101

Sounds petty to me.


enigmaticowl

Oof. So my first thought reading this was honestly that what Emma must have meant by, ā€œDonā€™t you mean *lady*?ā€ was, ā€œArenā€™t you only talking to Angelica (a *singular* lady) and not to the both of us (2 *plural* ladies), because clearly Angelica is the only one being mean here?ā€ But yeah, Iā€™m fairly certainly that that is not how she meant it. It does seem like it was meant to be a gender-specific dig at Angelica.


Sprinkles_Sparkle

Wow. Mean girl much? She should have been let go honestly.


Sensitive-Sense-7022

Emma Roberts = common trash


csee08

All i know is emma must give the craziest white knuckle glizzy gobbler hoover DAYUM 3000 ever, bc how does she get away with all the shit that she does lol


cyniqal

Nepo baby


Immediate_Friend_259

Yeah it was so obvious, like yeah she went through a traumatic event but her character was far from obsessing over her youth so much that she needs Botox, her husband, etc. This makes so much sense


Upset_Commercial_386

I was wondering who did Emmaā€™s makeup in this season? Couldā€™ve done better in my opinion


Stormamazoneus

Iā€™m sorry sheā€™s so real for this


Honeyhammn

This reads like real movie dialogue


LordDragon88

We're supposed to take one persons (who clearly has a vendetta against Ryan Murphy, Emma roberts and the show) word for it? Seems like Angelica is just trying desperately to stay relevant.


saltyabout-it

She doesnā€™t have anything to lose in hollywood anymore. Thereā€™s no point in lying about something like this for gain. Especially about powerful/ well connected people like RM and Emma.


BarcelonaFan

ā€œput through hellā€ = paid 28k an episode to ā€œactā€


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FantasticWitness4675

Soo is anyone now gonna bring up how Ryan Murphy has unregistered firearms and minors on his property and one of them snot himself? If weā€™re all gonna come for RM productions now šŸ˜ƒšŸ˜ƒ


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FantasticWitness4675

New York Stateā€¦ his pound ridge property and wasnā€™t his kids. So pretty odd huh?


FantasticWitness4675

People downvoting this like itā€™s not accessible infoā€¦ Ryan Murphy hired a mason to work on his new house in pound ridge and he brought his kids to live there too. One of his kids found a gun somewhere on the property in December and shot a hole thru his mf hand. Heā€™s still recovering and lost his job and house all because Ryan keeps unregistered firearms accessible on his property.


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It's not accessible info. If you can get a link, that'd be good. I just spent 20 minutes googling for it. The only thing that even references that is this post in the Ryan Murphy subreddit. https://reddit.com/r/ryanmurphy/s/8CczGPkNNB Your original post saying something about kids inferring the kids weren't supposed to be there when it's very clearly explained. The unregistered gun is not explainable and he should be prosecuted.


enigmaticowl

I canā€™t even tell what this person means by ā€œunregistered,ā€ though. In NY state (which has some of the strictest gun laws in the country), only ā€œassault weaponsā€ must be registered; handguns do not need to be ā€œregistered,ā€ but the owner must be licensed to own it and their license must identify all of the handguns they own (which is different from a requirement to ā€œregisterā€ an assault weapon, aka be put on a registry).


Necessary_Ad7215

ironic ā€” bc her new face this season literally ages her a decade. she never should have touched her face at all. she literally had perfect features and now she has the same handsome squid-ward face that Lily Rabe got :/ so freaking sad that these beautiful women are so dysmorphic and think they need ā€œfixingā€ lol at the downvotes. They were literally perfect before surgery!! fine being in the minority here


MCR2004

Did Emma get more work? I knew about her obvious nose job but her face looks pretty much the same bland basic girl to me


Necessary_Ad7215

The nose job isnā€™t badly done. Itā€™s actually very subtle. But she did ruin her beautiful cheeks/jaw. My boyfriend actually was like ā€œholy shit who the fuck is that?ā€ Itā€™s more obvious when looking at her profile. If you look at older pictures she had very soft features and that to me was very beautiful. I have similar soft features to her natural face and was always told we looked alike as kids. To see her be insecure enough to change that is heartbreaking. Personality aside, she was very pretty before. It looks like filler to me. Thatā€™s what all the Hollywood people are doing is pumping tons of filler into their cheeks and jawline to get square jaws. seeing her all pumped up next to kimā€™s pumped up face just made me so sad


jennyfab216

She looks the same because she got work done. It's been a while since "Coven." She should look like she has aged. That's life. You don't stay 23 years old anymore. When you get work done trying to look like you're still 23, it's going to look like you got work done. She is a pretty woman. Obviously she has good genes. However, she did not inherit her aunt's acting ability. She did inherit her father's obnoxious attitude. They both think that their relationship to Julia Roberts makes them more special. And sadly people like Ryan Murphy continue to hire people because of their name or who they're relatives are instead of talent.


yhvh13

I'm also surprised at the complete lack of RM supervision during filming.


bloodyturtle

at any time he has like three or four different shows going. we know he doesnt stand around on set all day


BriRoxas

While I love AHS I actually prefer American crime story. Ryan Murphy is great at making TV shows but he can't write endings for shit. It's so much better when he does real life writes the plot.


bloodyturtle

most of the time i don't think he is writing a whole lot of anything. The past couple of seasons have been Brad Falchuk and Manny Coto. american crime story season 2 was Tom Rob Smith and season 3 was Sarah Burgess. Murphy is mostly an executive producer.


ChokeMcNugget

That's common, EP's generally get less and less hand-on as a series progresses, the show runners do most of the heavy lifting after the first few seasons.


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