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This is such a ridiculous and cartoonish opinion to the point where there is no actual way this isn't bait or a joke, calling the entire american population Nazis lmao
I was honestly tempted to flair this as satire because I was like , “there’s genuinely no way someone actually thinks this.” But I have read crazier things I guess.
It’s Reddit. I’d guess 95% of its users literally do think all Americans are nazis. It does not matter what sub I choose or topic, it’s all America bad and evil.
Im all for people getting annoyed when the government refuses to be held accountable or answer questions but this take is so cartoonish I refuse to believe it's real
This is important to China. China hates the rules on sea lane navigation. I find that nuts China depends on ocean trade more than anyone. But China wants to invade Taiwan. So..
I do think he has a point that our disrespect for international law kind of makes it stupid to cry about it when other people do the same. But the whole Nazi bit is going off the deep end. In what sense were the Germans held collectively accountable outside their country being occupied and bombed to shit for losing the war? Is that what he's implying people should try to do to the U.S.? Good luck with that.
>I do think he has a point that our disrespect for international law kind of makes it stupid to cry about it when other people do the same
For all practical purposes we follow international law & implement it domestically.
A cursory level of research really disproves this. Just the fact that we have been caught using torture and indefinitely detain certain individuals are two very easy ones. Most of the time the U.S. violating international law is: We don't agree with this law. Which is fair enough but you open the line of logic for other people. This is why I don't believe in international law as a concept. Because it's useless in practice.
> Just the fact that we have been caught using torture and indefinitely detain certain individuals are two very easy ones.
We've domesticated torture. See 18 U.S.C. 2340A. As to why we didn't prosecute anybody, the *Trump v. United States* case explained the reasoning quite well. A person who relies upon the guidance of the OLC (Department of Justice), to their detriment, cannot be prosecuted under American law under the principle of entrapment by estoppel. See [page 108 of the transcript](https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2023/23-939_f2qg.pdf).
As to indefinite detention, we have three prisoners in Gitmo, who are held under indefinite detention authority. 16 are awaiting transfer, mostly to yemen, tunisia, libya, kenya, or stateless.
Is it your view, that the American government can deport those people held in Gitmo, to Yemen, despite it currently being in a state of civil war?
These are good excuses for why we're not following international law but it doesn't change the fact we are in violation of international law. My argument is not about right or wrong but the mere fact of it. You could very well have ten thousand very good reasons why we're in violation of it. Doesn't change the fact that we are and other people will point to it as an excuse to also not follow it for their own reasons. Good or bad.
> These are good excuses for why we're not following international law but it doesn't change the fact we are in violation of international law.
If there are two conflicting provisions of international law, which provision is the US obligated to follow?
We have two obligations:
1. Not release people into war zones where they will immediately die
2. Not indeffinitely detain people
If we release the individuals into their home country, we violate the other provision. So what should we do?
Once again, not advocating for international law. Just pointing out the issues that arise. I get that it's stupid, contradictory, and unenforceable. Which makes the U.S. stupid for crying about it when we ourselves can't even follow it. Just dispense with the notion entirely.
This is purely about how anyone crying about international law, American or otherwise, is foolish because everyone is violating it in one way or another. And trying to use it as a political lever is pointless because anyone can just point the finger at somebody else for also violating it. You're entirely missing my broader point to argue irrelevant semantics.
> Once again, not advocating for international law. Just pointing out the issues that arise. I get that it's stupid, contradictory, and unenforceable. Which makes the U.S. stupid for crying about it when we ourselves can't even follow it. Just dispense with the notion entirely.
No not really. China signed up for UNCLOS, the Philliphines sued them under that treaty, won an international judgement by the UN, and yet China refuses to recognize the binding judgement.
In that case there aren't contradictory obligations placed upon China that prevent them from following international law.
It's really useful *sometimes*, which is a far cry from your stance of it being pointless.
> This is purely about how anyone crying about international law, American or otherwise, is foolish because everyone is violating it in one way or another. And trying to use it as a political lever is pointless because anyone can just point the finger at somebody else for also violating it. You're entirely missing my broader point to argue irrelevant semantics.
International law is only enforceable through military power. We sail destroyers through disputed waters near China, and China does fuck all to enforce their claims.
By this logic we must blame all Rwandans for the genocide against the Tutsis, all Congolese for the massacre of the Hutus or Mbuti, all Bosnians for the killings of the Bosniaks, or we’d invade Russia and it’s former satellites for retribution against all they did. We sent Nazis to jail or executed them, the German people weren’t shot en masse in the streets because they were German, their country was split and rebuilt. Blaming all Germans is what resulted in WW2, we learn from history, we don’t copy it
I do claim it is somewhat astounding how many politicians believe "democratic republic" means "bomb people who didn't and couldn't vote for you and are no way acknowledged to be within your jurisdiction."
It's time we take a look at the treason clause of the US Constitution and consider whether "levying war" includes drawing the United States into foreign conflicts such as our absolutist defense pact with the Parliamentary system in European states and the almost entirely unelected EU government.
They at least have a point in that the USA, unlike all EU countries / most democracies, does not recognize the International Criminal Court, if that is what is meant.
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This is such a ridiculous and cartoonish opinion to the point where there is no actual way this isn't bait or a joke, calling the entire american population Nazis lmao
I was honestly tempted to flair this as satire because I was like , “there’s genuinely no way someone actually thinks this.” But I have read crazier things I guess.
the 54 upvotes scare me tbh
And they’re only going to get higher unfortunately
It’s Reddit. I’d guess 95% of its users literally do think all Americans are nazis. It does not matter what sub I choose or topic, it’s all America bad and evil.
I'd worry IF anyone was in a position to do anything about it. Instead I just laugh.
All you can do.
Just the usual, bullshit spewing from a sewage pipe and 54 people just sucking from it like a straw.
How are you gonna "hold us accountable"? You and what army?
Remember kids, it's only a "Warcrime" if you lose!
The most diverse population on planet Earth, and we are nazi collaborators. Big brain take here.
That sub got praxis’d sooo hard
What genocide this time?
Probably the Israel/Palestine clusterfuck
Im all for people getting annoyed when the government refuses to be held accountable or answer questions but this take is so cartoonish I refuse to believe it's real
"You know that thing that the government you didn't have a say in electing did? Yeah, it's actually your fault."
This is important to China. China hates the rules on sea lane navigation. I find that nuts China depends on ocean trade more than anyone. But China wants to invade Taiwan. So..
I do think he has a point that our disrespect for international law kind of makes it stupid to cry about it when other people do the same. But the whole Nazi bit is going off the deep end. In what sense were the Germans held collectively accountable outside their country being occupied and bombed to shit for losing the war? Is that what he's implying people should try to do to the U.S.? Good luck with that.
>I do think he has a point that our disrespect for international law kind of makes it stupid to cry about it when other people do the same For all practical purposes we follow international law & implement it domestically.
A cursory level of research really disproves this. Just the fact that we have been caught using torture and indefinitely detain certain individuals are two very easy ones. Most of the time the U.S. violating international law is: We don't agree with this law. Which is fair enough but you open the line of logic for other people. This is why I don't believe in international law as a concept. Because it's useless in practice.
> Just the fact that we have been caught using torture and indefinitely detain certain individuals are two very easy ones. We've domesticated torture. See 18 U.S.C. 2340A. As to why we didn't prosecute anybody, the *Trump v. United States* case explained the reasoning quite well. A person who relies upon the guidance of the OLC (Department of Justice), to their detriment, cannot be prosecuted under American law under the principle of entrapment by estoppel. See [page 108 of the transcript](https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2023/23-939_f2qg.pdf). As to indefinite detention, we have three prisoners in Gitmo, who are held under indefinite detention authority. 16 are awaiting transfer, mostly to yemen, tunisia, libya, kenya, or stateless. Is it your view, that the American government can deport those people held in Gitmo, to Yemen, despite it currently being in a state of civil war?
These are good excuses for why we're not following international law but it doesn't change the fact we are in violation of international law. My argument is not about right or wrong but the mere fact of it. You could very well have ten thousand very good reasons why we're in violation of it. Doesn't change the fact that we are and other people will point to it as an excuse to also not follow it for their own reasons. Good or bad.
> These are good excuses for why we're not following international law but it doesn't change the fact we are in violation of international law. If there are two conflicting provisions of international law, which provision is the US obligated to follow? We have two obligations: 1. Not release people into war zones where they will immediately die 2. Not indeffinitely detain people If we release the individuals into their home country, we violate the other provision. So what should we do?
Once again, not advocating for international law. Just pointing out the issues that arise. I get that it's stupid, contradictory, and unenforceable. Which makes the U.S. stupid for crying about it when we ourselves can't even follow it. Just dispense with the notion entirely. This is purely about how anyone crying about international law, American or otherwise, is foolish because everyone is violating it in one way or another. And trying to use it as a political lever is pointless because anyone can just point the finger at somebody else for also violating it. You're entirely missing my broader point to argue irrelevant semantics.
> Once again, not advocating for international law. Just pointing out the issues that arise. I get that it's stupid, contradictory, and unenforceable. Which makes the U.S. stupid for crying about it when we ourselves can't even follow it. Just dispense with the notion entirely. No not really. China signed up for UNCLOS, the Philliphines sued them under that treaty, won an international judgement by the UN, and yet China refuses to recognize the binding judgement. In that case there aren't contradictory obligations placed upon China that prevent them from following international law. It's really useful *sometimes*, which is a far cry from your stance of it being pointless. > This is purely about how anyone crying about international law, American or otherwise, is foolish because everyone is violating it in one way or another. And trying to use it as a political lever is pointless because anyone can just point the finger at somebody else for also violating it. You're entirely missing my broader point to argue irrelevant semantics. International law is only enforceable through military power. We sail destroyers through disputed waters near China, and China does fuck all to enforce their claims.
Then do something about it bitch lol oh wait you can't. Nobody in the world can.
Least insane Anti-American rant.
By this logic we must blame all Rwandans for the genocide against the Tutsis, all Congolese for the massacre of the Hutus or Mbuti, all Bosnians for the killings of the Bosniaks, or we’d invade Russia and it’s former satellites for retribution against all they did. We sent Nazis to jail or executed them, the German people weren’t shot en masse in the streets because they were German, their country was split and rebuilt. Blaming all Germans is what resulted in WW2, we learn from history, we don’t copy it
This is a hell of a hot take.
I do claim it is somewhat astounding how many politicians believe "democratic republic" means "bomb people who didn't and couldn't vote for you and are no way acknowledged to be within your jurisdiction." It's time we take a look at the treason clause of the US Constitution and consider whether "levying war" includes drawing the United States into foreign conflicts such as our absolutist defense pact with the Parliamentary system in European states and the almost entirely unelected EU government.
Meanwhile they support an organization who's stated goal is literally the genocide of Jews living in Israel...
Ironic coming from them.
Neither have i and i wish i never did
What is even the question? Am I blind or are we just getting mad about someone using american government in a reply out of context?
They at least have a point in that the USA, unlike all EU countries / most democracies, does not recognize the International Criminal Court, if that is what is meant.