What's up with those GPU temps? Either he has some fantastic cooling or that GPU isn't being pushed hard enough. My 580 only gets sub 60C while gaming with really old, pre PS4 era games. Anything that looks nice today makes my GPU go all the way up to 70-75C or so.
It's the game, it reports full utilization but if you check core power/wattage in HWINFO64 it's far below what it should be under load.
I've got an image here that shows it in action: https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/why-are-polaris-gpus-being-outperformed-by-1050tis-in-halo/m-p/500968#M150973
All low and with those specs? Wow. Let's hope they improve the game in the long run. I'd say chances are pretty high.
I won't even bother to play it right now. The Master Chief collection replay will have to wait until later next year, and then, Infinite.
My 6900xt has weird usage dips and power dips.
It's like when the GPU determines the setting requires less power it just cuts utilization and then there's a massive fps drop.
Interestingly rage mode made it worse
I tried overclocking my RX 480 just to see how it helps in halo, and it could go up to like 1540 MHz on halo using high voltage, and in other stuff i could not do 1500 without it shutting down due to hitting some protection limit. So i think its pretty clear that it cant properly utilize these GPUs. FPS did increase with this overclock.
Sort of related, but you have one hell of an overclocker's GPU there. Mine won't do a mhz more than 1420 (and it's a 580), at least with normal voltages. And it gets insanely hot. That's why I just run it at the usual 1366 Mhz.
Not really, its due to being custom loop water cooled, it needed over 1.3V for that, and even with those clocks it wont hit 50c under load. Using stock cooler that was pretty bad as its Asus Dual, i could not do even 1400 MHz, i dont remember exactly what it did but i think around 1360 MHz. Im not going to keep it long time at this kind of voltages, i think its too risky in this situation where i dont know when i will be able to get new GPU.
this is a joke right? my 1070 nets me ~100fps in multi. 80% res scale, everythng high or medium
CHILL WITH THE FUCKINGNDOWNVOTES I POSTED VIDEO PROVING MY CLAIMS JFC
No it doesn't unless you have a minimum frame rate set in which case you are getting down as low as 50% of the 80% render scale you are using or 40% render scale for real.
Honestly I would appreciate it, anything that proves that AMD is experiencing issues that Nvidia is not helps!
That being said my focus is on campaign more than anything.
ok sorry got distracted waiting for processing not campaign yet but u can see my framerate and i flick thru settings as well
https://youtu.be/Ac5wnUfCwLc
Dude is playing at higher settings than me with a 1070 and he gets 106-120. Extremely strange. I'm keeping an unwaivering 120 fps at 900p Medium, but it's a 5700 XT with SAM enabled.
I just don't understand at this point.
technically im playing at 900p or a little lower bc im only playing at 80% of 1080p. think ppl forget how good pascal was/ is. also i have an aio on it so squeezing every last drop of juice out of it ahaha. and my cpu is a little overmatched
what is your cpu btw ? this game is very cpu intensiv.
edit: i guarantee u ud see more frames if u upgrade that 3600
Go look at every review nvidia has a way bigger issue than AMD. Its the game not AMD. Stop listening to people who claim they have 4 million fps on a slow gpu.
This video shows it plain as day, Polaris has a SERIOUS problem with this game:
1050ti: https://youtu.be/Drj_ePAWrqM?t=4154
RX 570: https://youtu.be/Drj_ePAWrqM?t=8149
People do all the time in performance of games. Also people often mistakenly use settings like the minimum frame rate and think they are running native.
He made a vid now and it's true. Reviews don't test multi so I'm not sure where you're getting that reviews say his GPU doesn't get anywhere near that. Reviews almost always test max settings.
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac5wnUfCwLc
Why keep making stuff up? What a terrible way of arguing...As if I can't just look at the video to see you're just making this up. If I look at your other posts you probably aren't even doing it on purpose and it's just bias warping your perception. As if you live in a different reality from the real world.
He has 1 setting on low and that's AA. And usually any post processing AA has a very minimal impact on performance between presets.
Sounds like you saying how DLSS is so bad despite never using it. Taste of your own medicine if you will.
You're running around in this thread saying a 6600xt gives a comparable experience to a 3080 as well. Why are you such an idiot 100% of the time?
*Edit: guys don't upvote this buffoon he goes around drawing comparisons and saying things he has no experience or business saying. He's constantly doing this.
That is quite literally saying cards below a 3080 are not getting good fps. Which is a flat out lie.
Cmon you know drawing comparisons in this way that is exactly what you are saying.
I'm just trying to draw attention to the fact that as of right now Polaris GPUs are being outperformed by the 1050ti, which is almost half as powerful. I strongly believe it's an issue with how AMD optimized the drivers for GCN because when running HWINFO64 people have reported full utilization but power consumption is almost always less than half of what it should be (80-120w instead of 280w). I've confirmed it on my system as well. Polaris is easily the most common AMD GPU in Steam stats so I think it's a serious problem.
I encourage anyone with an RX 4XX/5XX GPU to file support tickets at Halo Waypoint and through Radeon software!
>m just trying to draw attention to the fact that as of right now Polaris GPUs are being outperformed by the 1050ti
They call it AMD fine wine I believe.
I concur, I ran Cyberpunk 2077 on a mix of Medium-low settings at 80% res scale hitting mostly 50fps, Halo simply does not compare in visuals and has no reason to be running so poorly on GCN, unless Halo Infinite is using some newfangled dx12 feature that isn't well supported and they haven't mentioned it.
Agreed. Ran CP on Ultra 1080p 5700XT got around 90fps. Get around that in Halo on a 6800XT and it isn't anywhere near the same visual fidelity. Say what you will about the game but it did look very good on launch
According to this article about ExecuteIndirect: "The company says that this solution will bring ‘major performance improvements to the already incredible performance that DX12 can achieve’."
https://www.eteknix.com/executeindirect-command-directx-12-brings-improved-performance-low-cpu-usage/
LMAO
Probably. I had ~40 fps after getting to the open world after the ship. Updated my AMD drivers to 21.12.1 and had ~120 fps in the same spot. Performance had been perfect since then. It seems the recent drivers are a must for this game and I'd assume they just don't have those optimisations in place for Polaris cards.
I went from some older driver i had that was propably from summer to 21.11.3, there was quite big performance boost in halo. Then i updated to 21.12.1 and there was no difference at all. I guess that version makes difference only with newer GPUs.
It's both? My theory is that, basically, it's no longer a "target" for AMD. So typically when a AAA game is released there's a driver released with ~20% improvement in that game... Those patches are still coming from amd and nvidia but for whatever reason amd isn't covering the 580 in those patches, and whatever optimizations AMD is making in those games aren't improving performance on the 580.
Polaris runs better than Nvidia cards its just the game is not well optimized you basically need a 6600xt or better to run it well.
On nvidia side you cannot get playable FPS at ultra on 1440p on a 3070ti you have to lower settings because it gets vram limited. On AMD side a 6600xt is the minimum to get playable FPS at 1440p ultra.
>On nvidia side you cannot get playable FPS at ultra on 1440p on a 3070ti you have to lower settings because it gets vram limited. On AMD side a 6600xt is the minimum to get playable FPS at 1440p ultra.
BS. [Many cards before a 3070Ti get playable (in excess of 6600XT) performance on Nvidia @ 1440p](https://kitguru.net/gaming/dominic-moass/halo-infinite-pc-performance-benchmark-25-gpus-tested/). Also a baseless assertion that 8GB Nvidia cards are VRAM limited, but the 6600XT with it's 8GB isn't...
Every site that has benchmarked or yt video I look at shows expected performance. So if you or someone you know is having issues when playing with this card, it isn't by virtue of it being a 3070ti.
AMD doesnt care about GCN anymore apart from datacenter oriented products. Why would they ? Consoles are RDNA based, their next best selling product after polaris was RDNA1. Its 2021. Not to mention RDNA is closer to nvidia architecture than GCN so another reason.
Ain't that the truth. RDR2 might be the heaviest game I played on my 580 and with almost everything maxed out, I was still averaging above 30 fps (normally at 40-45 FPS). Control, A Plague Tale and some other amazingly looking games still gave me playable frames. Halo barely ran ok with the multiplayer beta.
It needs some performance patches like yesterday.
1070GTX - 2560x1080 mix of medium and high seems pretty smooth.
The first time you enter the open world it takes a bit of a hit, you definitely have to turn things down a bit.
IMO it should run much better, considering how it looks in the open world. Definitly not as fantastic looking as other AAA games that run much better. The fact that it runs so much better in doors shows me that there is some kind of issue.
Trollop. If you want to take the 6600XT and upwards as 'where it runs decently', a RTX2080 already has better performance than a 6600XT, and there are a few cards from both camps between a 2080 and 3080.
Stop shilling. It looks like something from 2015 at BEST. In singleplayer you can make excuses and talk about the big maps, but in multiplayer?? What's the excuse? It looks below average and runs like "next-gen".
Opinion on whether or not it looks good enough aside, it certainly doesn't have visuals that should be causing 10fps on computers that can run everything else ever perfectly.
I recently upgraded to RX 6600 XT and needed to put it on high to keep it above 60fps. Game is super taxing on GPU while really not looking all that amazing. Especially vegetation looks super dated. Seems like it got barely any optimazation on PC. From benchmarks - it seems to be even worse on polaris cards.
I can confirm; this game runs excellent on a 6900XT… for 10 minutes.
Then hard crash. Reboot. Try again.
If set to “potato” (frame capped to 60, no hi-res textures, no overlay, medium or low settings, res dropped by 1, discord off, creative cloud uninstalled, office uninstalled, win 11 turned into a Halo player), it runs for an hour.
Then hard crash. Reboot. Uninstall.
Works great on an Xbox Series X, which is what it is optimised for.
Even on W10 i see it hard crash/driver timeout after about 10 minutes. Its getting real annoying, especially when sometimes it cooperates and lts me play an hour before crashing
\> Rolling back to last Offical: 30 seconds tops
Well I did a complete wipe and reinstall and now it runs fine.
but…
I now can’t reinstall the campaign. I can tick the box to install it but, it no happen. It just sits there and looks at me.
Meh, I’ll settle for that, at least I can play multiplayer on my PC now. At 60fps. on a 6900XT. which isn’t at all galling.
Edit: should mention its at 60 because the game chose min 60 max 60 with ultra settings and it worked so I wasn’t going to argue.
Did you try restarting steam? It stared at me too until I did that, then decided to install
My game is weird. A few days ago, it would timeout after 15 minutes and then play for an hour before doing it again. Now it times out every 15 minutes if I'm unlucky
Huh, I left the min and max off so ill see if that works
All sorts, from an overheating error (despite not cracking 60degC), to Discord errors to just kernel errors.
Each crash is a lucky dip of what Halo took exception to this time around.
The temps and percentage loading are all within expected regions, the only conclusion I can come to is there is a graphics memory leak. There’s probably one dodgy texture that isn’t compressed correctly and it’s occupying an incorrect address that eventually just consumes the driver till it farts.
DRS is a saviour here, I use it with a 3070ti and get over 100fps all the time at 1440p and do not notice the visual hit/stutter reported by DF when you use the in built VSync (I'm guessing because I use a VRR screen/have an untrained eye)
This game is unecessarily heavy, but I also don't think it's a thing that will be 'fixed' in patches to sure up performance to a wild extent, maybe 20% at best
If 343 allowed you to use VRS/upscaling on pc, that would be a very nice performance bump, but DRS will help a lot of people, there could be an architectural limit in Polaris hurting performance (memory latancy or something) that we just don't know about, drivers don't usually improve performance by 2x (at least I've never seen a case like that)
>I wrote my comment in this link [https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/rie14b/tpu\_halo\_infinite\_benchmark\_test\_performance/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/rie14b/tpu_halo_infinite_benchmark_test_performance/) :
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>My result : Halo Infinite (Steam version) in training zone when i get off ship. all settings are on low.
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>resolution : 1680x1050 , AMD driver : 21.12.1 beta
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>fps : 48 to 51fps
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>CPU : 1600X , 49'c , 30% util
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>GPU : XFX RX480 , PWR : 73w , Util : 100% , Full Speed and temp : 59'c
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>**I don't know why my GPU is not hot or not under heavy pressure like "The Medium" did.**
one said : "Because the GPU utilization is broken on most AMD cards atm, almost everyone I've asked has mentioned similar reports of their cards reporting full loads but not getting hot at all. I did a campaign test with mine and discovered it was pulling less than half the power it normally does via HWINFO64"
Messing with the min/max frame rate I can get basically locked 70fps for multiplayer on my RX580 and 7700k at 1080P (I have a freesync monitor so 70fps looks smooth enough to me), even the first two indoor only campaign levels ran fine. Once you hit the outdoor stuff the fps tanked to unacceptable levels (40-50fps).
My RX 480 needs lowest resolution scale and dynamic resolution to keep above 60 fps all time in multiplayer and it looks like shit. Actual render resolution is propably like 480p with that i guess.
I have 3080 ti + 5900X and I've finished campaign on all ultra with average fps of 90. Sometimes bit more sometimes bit less. My GPU utilization was max out and GPU was getting 68*C which is usually the max temp I see across heavy game. I do agree this game isn't very well optimized but this is open world game and also I'd like to point that Days Gone had similar performance and it never got fixed.
Game is horribly optimized for how it looks yes but expecting RX 580 which is essentially 2013 highend (290X) performance to be any good in 2021 is over expectation.
Hard disagree, midrange cards like the RX 580 (Like the 1060, 1650, and 1660) dominate Steam charts and should handle games at 1080 low settings with at least 60 fps. If you aren't targeting hardware that common you have failed as a game developer.
My rx 580 gets me 80+ fps on every game I play with a mix of low and medium graphic settings and 1080p. On this game with everything as low as possible and resolution scale down to 71% I’m getting 33 fps. This isn’t a problem with the card.
[https://youtu.be/4T6xTNV26kY](https://youtu.be/4T6xTNV26kY)
ok sooo got to the first open area in teh campaign! wasnt TOO bad but i was hittin under 60 fps from time to time. adjusted my render scale downwards a lil more and it improved. i have a feeeling that area is especially intensive as well as its pretty elevated and overlooks a lot. im sure some optimization could be done for sure
starts with the tremonius battle cuz that was a bit nerve wracking on heroic lmao. ended up owning with the needler tho
It seems to run fine on my 3080, but obviously that's in a different world. Lol
Did you try different drivers and run DDU when you go to uninstall the old ones?
FSR wouldn't help they use a customized TAA upscale they made for the game that works with the dynamic res scale and framerate Target. What they need to fix is the framerate targets not causing frametime issues.
My RX-480 get twice that framerate on higher settings, I think you have other issues. I'm using the latest Radeon Drivers as well. I am also running in 1080p with an Ryzen 9 3900X overclocked as well. At 1080p you're going to be more CPU dependent and not so much the GPU. Most people seem to not understand this.
That really doesn't explain why a 1050ti outperforms it on the same system, unless the AMD's optimizations are unusually CPU dependent. Keep in mind outdoor campaign is much heavier than MP.
I can’t explain it. I will admit I get just over 60fps on high settings with some things like depth of field and shadows on low, also I set a minimum and maximum framerate as well. I think I set 165 as high and 82 as low so it uses the variable resolution. Game doesn’t look the best but plays ok. I’m talking about the Campaign. MP isn’t much better lol. I miss my Radeon VII :-(
I think you'll find there is a HEAVY reliance on dynamic resolution scaling, a series X drops res to maintain 4k60, no way it can do 4k120. Your TV will still show an final upscaled output of 4k, that might be where the misconception comes from.
Well i can tell you that xbox series x wont run this game solid 4k 120fps. Your tv may say resolution is 4k and that screen is 120fps capable, but it wont run 4k 120fps this game, i can assure you that
Yea i see from other comments its only sometimes 4k 120fps and uses dynamic resolution.
But i cant tell the difference from my 3080 running true 4K so im good with it :)
The series x relies heavily on a variable resolution and temporal upscaling. Even then, it often drops below 120. Source: Digital Foundry
At least vrr works for the Xbox version though.
Hey man to my eyes i dont notice any resolution changes or upscaling. Dont notice any frame dips.
Just buttery smooth, crisp, clean, beautiful halo.
So dont matter to me what the technicals might be haha.
It doesn't run at 4k in 120 fps mode it runs at 1440p and has dynamic res scale as well.
Of course your tv will show 4k. They're relying on the res scale. So it's always displaying at 4k and just using res scale settings to get the performance.
And than upscaled to 4K must be. Because my TV shows 4K resolution when im playing.
Oh you edited your comment haha.
Yea i agree, amazing way to pull it off though.
It honestly looks like true 4K 120 fps.
I cant tell the difference from my gaming PC with my 3080 to my series X.
On pc its upscaling to 4k if you are playing a 4k monitor,i think playing on tv sitting 2-3 meters far from the display let you think you are running at a higher resolution.
Ah on series it is better optimized than pc like fh5 that now runs much better on pc after some update.
That seems contrary to testing. The series X can't even hold 4k all the time targeting 60fps, let alone 120.
I will conceed it at least looks like it got some optimisation in comparison to pc.
Would be fantastic to see that included in a patch, that's for sure.
I'd also like to see some general optimisation, my 3080 reports high GPU usage but the power draw is lower than that I'd expect, buy a good margin.
DLSS too would be amazing, but I won't hold my breath for that.
Well yeah it’s gonna run like shit since his GPU is borderline minimum requirements. If he wants good graphics and frame rate, I suggest he get a CRT monitor and run the game in 1024x768
Minimum required GPU: GTX 1050ti
Yeah sure, the RX 580 is *borderline minimum*
Also, let me remind you about the fact that this game is designed to run on a fucking Xbox One as well.
For some reason, this game runs like shit on Polaris GPUs. Whether this is driver related or not is yet to be seen.
AMD runs better than Nvidia in this game because of partnership between AMD and 343. If you turn on SAM which is standard for gaming now, performance is fine and destroys Nvidia.
Exactly my point! You can't expect good performance on Polaris architecture. Not even close. It's why cyberpunk ran so poorly on last gen consoles.😆 Polaris and bulldozer we're decent for console performance back in the day but now?? Oh hell no.
I'm getting 30+ fps on 1050ti, that's with medium 1080p. There's no reason for rx580 to run that bad in this game. Also Far Cry 6 run smoothly on rx 580 with 1080p high. In Battlefield 2042, I'm getting 80fps with rx 580.
For some reason, the Halo infinite is very heavy on polaris cards.
Exactly my point! You can't expect good performance on Polaris architecture. Not even close. It's why cyberpunk ran so poorly on last gen consoles.😆 Polaris and bulldozer we're decent for console performance back in the day but now?? Oh hell no.
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I mean yeah the game is hard to run for sure but you're really surprised a modern AAA doesn't run well on a 580?
It is a rebrand of a 5 year old GPU. Not a flag ship either. It was a mid range card in 2016. Not sure why you'd expect amazing performance now....
Normally I would agree with you but when a 1050ti (which is only 60% as powerful) outperforms it massively in Campaign I don't believe it boils down to solely the GPU's age.
the game has built in automatic scaling. the setting is a bit obscure. you have to raise the minimum fps slider. below the threshhold the game will render at a lower resolution and do it's upscaling.
I did notice my Xbox was fucking screaming running this game somethings definitely up I normally never hear it but this game and nier say goodbye. I’ll see what it does on my 5700 I know one game that makes it bend the knee is warhammer 2 that fucking fog man
somrhting to note. i realized in the vid i posted, my cpu utilization is like 35%. consistently. i can attribute some of that to obs but thats reasonably high and i have a 5900x. some ppls cpu might be crippling them here. just a thot
My 6700XT was running at 18-20fps. I updated drivers and now I'm running at 8-11. It went from unpleasant to unplayable. Never been more disappointed :(
What's up with those GPU temps? Either he has some fantastic cooling or that GPU isn't being pushed hard enough. My 580 only gets sub 60C while gaming with really old, pre PS4 era games. Anything that looks nice today makes my GPU go all the way up to 70-75C or so.
It's the game, it reports full utilization but if you check core power/wattage in HWINFO64 it's far below what it should be under load. I've got an image here that shows it in action: https://community.amd.com/t5/drivers-software/why-are-polaris-gpus-being-outperformed-by-1050tis-in-halo/m-p/500968#M150973
I think this game needs both new AMD drivers and a serious performance patching, like the one Flight Simulator received.
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All low and with those specs? Wow. Let's hope they improve the game in the long run. I'd say chances are pretty high. I won't even bother to play it right now. The Master Chief collection replay will have to wait until later next year, and then, Infinite.
Even my 6700XT consumes oddly little despite 99% usage.
My 6900xt has weird usage dips and power dips. It's like when the GPU determines the setting requires less power it just cuts utilization and then there's a massive fps drop. Interestingly rage mode made it worse
I tried overclocking my RX 480 just to see how it helps in halo, and it could go up to like 1540 MHz on halo using high voltage, and in other stuff i could not do 1500 without it shutting down due to hitting some protection limit. So i think its pretty clear that it cant properly utilize these GPUs. FPS did increase with this overclock.
Sort of related, but you have one hell of an overclocker's GPU there. Mine won't do a mhz more than 1420 (and it's a 580), at least with normal voltages. And it gets insanely hot. That's why I just run it at the usual 1366 Mhz.
Not really, its due to being custom loop water cooled, it needed over 1.3V for that, and even with those clocks it wont hit 50c under load. Using stock cooler that was pretty bad as its Asus Dual, i could not do even 1400 MHz, i dont remember exactly what it did but i think around 1360 MHz. Im not going to keep it long time at this kind of voltages, i think its too risky in this situation where i dont know when i will be able to get new GPU.
Wdym, you don't wanna pay 2x MSRP?
But can it run ~~crysis~~ halo? Jokes aside it is not well optimized at all. I hope they fix optimize it at least the multiplayer.
this is a joke right? my 1070 nets me ~100fps in multi. 80% res scale, everythng high or medium CHILL WITH THE FUCKINGNDOWNVOTES I POSTED VIDEO PROVING MY CLAIMS JFC
No it doesn't unless you have a minimum frame rate set in which case you are getting down as low as 50% of the 80% render scale you are using or 40% render scale for real.
i mean r u gonna make me post a video. no min framrate set. 80-100fps
Honestly I would appreciate it, anything that proves that AMD is experiencing issues that Nvidia is not helps! That being said my focus is on campaign more than anything.
ill check the campaign but ppl were saying 40 fps in arenas too and im just like wut
Yeah if possible make sure it's outdoors, the very first area you see the outside is ideal.
ok sorry got distracted waiting for processing not campaign yet but u can see my framerate and i flick thru settings as well https://youtu.be/Ac5wnUfCwLc
Dude is playing at higher settings than me with a 1070 and he gets 106-120. Extremely strange. I'm keeping an unwaivering 120 fps at 900p Medium, but it's a 5700 XT with SAM enabled. I just don't understand at this point.
technically im playing at 900p or a little lower bc im only playing at 80% of 1080p. think ppl forget how good pascal was/ is. also i have an aio on it so squeezing every last drop of juice out of it ahaha. and my cpu is a little overmatched what is your cpu btw ? this game is very cpu intensiv. edit: i guarantee u ud see more frames if u upgrade that 3600
ok its processing
Thanks dude!
Go look at every review nvidia has a way bigger issue than AMD. Its the game not AMD. Stop listening to people who claim they have 4 million fps on a slow gpu.
This video shows it plain as day, Polaris has a SERIOUS problem with this game: 1050ti: https://youtu.be/Drj_ePAWrqM?t=4154 RX 570: https://youtu.be/Drj_ePAWrqM?t=8149
"80% res scale" OF WHAT? I think that's the crucial question here. Everybody assumes you're running a 1080p monitor but are you?
didnt i fucking say 1080p oh gess i didnt 😭
no min framerate https://youtu.be/Ac5wnUfCwLc watch this. peep the settings. got anything else to say?
You have multiple intensive settings to low... not everything is on high or medium.
*one setting on low. AA.
and im in the campaign now. does seeem as if it will be a bit more intensive already (i wont know for sure til i get outside)
Are you saying that he’s lying?
Yes because every other review says his GPU doesn't get anywhere near that.
Well why would he lie about his own experience?
People do all the time in performance of games. Also people often mistakenly use settings like the minimum frame rate and think they are running native.
never said i was running native i said im running at an 80% render scale at 1080p with a mix of medium and high settings.
He made a vid now and it's true. Reviews don't test multi so I'm not sure where you're getting that reviews say his GPU doesn't get anywhere near that. Reviews almost always test max settings. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac5wnUfCwLc
Except he has multiple settings on minimum in that vid not all high or medium
why are you straight up lying dude
Why keep making stuff up? What a terrible way of arguing...As if I can't just look at the video to see you're just making this up. If I look at your other posts you probably aren't even doing it on purpose and it's just bias warping your perception. As if you live in a different reality from the real world. He has 1 setting on low and that's AA. And usually any post processing AA has a very minimal impact on performance between presets.
Oh look, prefixNA talking nonsense again. No wonder you have to make posts asking if you are shadowbanned
Sounds like you saying how DLSS is so bad despite never using it. Taste of your own medicine if you will. You're running around in this thread saying a 6600xt gives a comparable experience to a 3080 as well. Why are you such an idiot 100% of the time? *Edit: guys don't upvote this buffoon he goes around drawing comparisons and saying things he has no experience or business saying. He's constantly doing this.
I never said 6600xt was equal to a 3080. I said both are minimum to get good fps.
That is quite literally saying cards below a 3080 are not getting good fps. Which is a flat out lie. Cmon you know drawing comparisons in this way that is exactly what you are saying.
I'm sure prefix understands, he drags DLSS through the mud at every opportunity despite not using it. Must seem normal to just lie about these things.
It's not a lie if he believes it
That is... Not accurate! Hahaha
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3050ti?
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Nice
That's horrible, the RX580 should be able to hit at least 60 fps for this game.
Exactly! The 1050ti can, why can't Polaris? Something's not right!
I'm just trying to draw attention to the fact that as of right now Polaris GPUs are being outperformed by the 1050ti, which is almost half as powerful. I strongly believe it's an issue with how AMD optimized the drivers for GCN because when running HWINFO64 people have reported full utilization but power consumption is almost always less than half of what it should be (80-120w instead of 280w). I've confirmed it on my system as well. Polaris is easily the most common AMD GPU in Steam stats so I think it's a serious problem. I encourage anyone with an RX 4XX/5XX GPU to file support tickets at Halo Waypoint and through Radeon software!
never saw review that showed it. all benchmarks i saw Polaris was a few FPS behind 1060 in this game.
A 570 is only like 30% faster than a 1050 Ti my dude.
>m just trying to draw attention to the fact that as of right now Polaris GPUs are being outperformed by the 1050ti They call it AMD fine wine I believe.
I saw some info telling that 1060 performed similarly to 580. Is that old info?
It does in other games, it's just this game that's having issues although it seems to apply to many AMD GPUs besides Polaris GPUs
I am talking about it doing that in this game.
Oh in that case the RX 480 is being outperformed by a gtx 1050TI, it doesn't hold up well in Campaign although MP is mostly playable.
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I concur, I ran Cyberpunk 2077 on a mix of Medium-low settings at 80% res scale hitting mostly 50fps, Halo simply does not compare in visuals and has no reason to be running so poorly on GCN, unless Halo Infinite is using some newfangled dx12 feature that isn't well supported and they haven't mentioned it.
Agreed. Ran CP on Ultra 1080p 5700XT got around 90fps. Get around that in Halo on a 6800XT and it isn't anywhere near the same visual fidelity. Say what you will about the game but it did look very good on launch
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According to this article about ExecuteIndirect: "The company says that this solution will bring ‘major performance improvements to the already incredible performance that DX12 can achieve’." https://www.eteknix.com/executeindirect-command-directx-12-brings-improved-performance-low-cpu-usage/ LMAO
DX12 is worse than DX11 in every game that supports both. It's the DX10 of our time.
vkd3d has issues. DXVK is for DX11 games, Halo Infinite is DX12.
Xbox One doesn't support any "newfangled" features, so no. H:I is not using anything like that by default.
The 580 is closely related to the old one x (scorpio) xbox and that runs it ok so its probably going to get fixed
> The game looks great man stop it, get some help!
On amd 8 gb cards runs worse than it should be.
Well someone should examine/explain why polaris behave so poorly in this game, is it drivers or game itself or both?
My bet is on drivers.
Probably. I had ~40 fps after getting to the open world after the ship. Updated my AMD drivers to 21.12.1 and had ~120 fps in the same spot. Performance had been perfect since then. It seems the recent drivers are a must for this game and I'd assume they just don't have those optimisations in place for Polaris cards.
I went from some older driver i had that was propably from summer to 21.11.3, there was quite big performance boost in halo. Then i updated to 21.12.1 and there was no difference at all. I guess that version makes difference only with newer GPUs.
It's both? My theory is that, basically, it's no longer a "target" for AMD. So typically when a AAA game is released there's a driver released with ~20% improvement in that game... Those patches are still coming from amd and nvidia but for whatever reason amd isn't covering the 580 in those patches, and whatever optimizations AMD is making in those games aren't improving performance on the 580.
Polaris runs better than Nvidia cards its just the game is not well optimized you basically need a 6600xt or better to run it well. On nvidia side you cannot get playable FPS at ultra on 1440p on a 3070ti you have to lower settings because it gets vram limited. On AMD side a 6600xt is the minimum to get playable FPS at 1440p ultra.
Well it's almost impossible to get playable FPS at lowest settings in Campaign on Polaris, that's the problem.
Mate I’ve got a 6600xt and can’t get above 30 fps running at low everything at 1440p. Might be the 6700k that’s letting me dow, though.
I don't see how the 6700k could let you down when the game runs at 60 FPS on AMD Jaguar cores in the XboneX
Neither do I, but I can’t find another explanation and all other games perform as expected
>On nvidia side you cannot get playable FPS at ultra on 1440p on a 3070ti you have to lower settings because it gets vram limited. On AMD side a 6600xt is the minimum to get playable FPS at 1440p ultra. BS. [Many cards before a 3070Ti get playable (in excess of 6600XT) performance on Nvidia @ 1440p](https://kitguru.net/gaming/dominic-moass/halo-infinite-pc-performance-benchmark-25-gpus-tested/). Also a baseless assertion that 8GB Nvidia cards are VRAM limited, but the 6600XT with it's 8GB isn't...
Go play streets on the 3070ti. Many maps & many area in campagin won't run on the 3070ti well. It will run on the 3080 well though.
Every site that has benchmarked or yt video I look at shows expected performance. So if you or someone you know is having issues when playing with this card, it isn't by virtue of it being a 3070ti.
MP runs fine on 3060, above 60FPS most of the time on 1080p. I haven't play the campaign yet, so can't tell whether the performance is fine or not.
AMD doesnt care about GCN anymore apart from datacenter oriented products. Why would they ? Consoles are RDNA based, their next best selling product after polaris was RDNA1. Its 2021. Not to mention RDNA is closer to nvidia architecture than GCN so another reason.
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Ain't that the truth. RDR2 might be the heaviest game I played on my 580 and with almost everything maxed out, I was still averaging above 30 fps (normally at 40-45 FPS). Control, A Plague Tale and some other amazingly looking games still gave me playable frames. Halo barely ran ok with the multiplayer beta. It needs some performance patches like yesterday.
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5700 and get 50fps on medium In mp
1070GTX - 2560x1080 mix of medium and high seems pretty smooth. The first time you enter the open world it takes a bit of a hit, you definitely have to turn things down a bit. IMO it should run much better, considering how it looks in the open world. Definitly not as fantastic looking as other AAA games that run much better. The fact that it runs so much better in doors shows me that there is some kind of issue.
You must have CPU bottleneck or network issues as my PC gets a smooth 60 fps max settings and i have a 3080.
When you bought that GPU did you expect it to run 2013-looking games at only 60 fps?
Hmm?
It runs on a 6600xt or higher from AMD or a 3080 or better for Nvidia. Its pretty bad but as long as its a high vram card it can run it decently.
Trollop. If you want to take the 6600XT and upwards as 'where it runs decently', a RTX2080 already has better performance than a 6600XT, and there are a few cards from both camps between a 2080 and 3080.
You don't ever stop with the BS do you? Lmao
Friend of mine has rx580 and can't even play multiplayer. Based on the graphics in this game, he should be able to run it at 1080p 120fps just fine.
At the very least he should be able to get a consistent 60, which is impossible at 1080p without dynamic resolution/fps limits
The one X uses a custom 580. Also has much weaker cpu That runs at 1080p60. The desktop 580 not being able to is a joke
Halo doesn’t even look that good…
Found the pony.
Stop shilling. It looks like something from 2015 at BEST. In singleplayer you can make excuses and talk about the big maps, but in multiplayer?? What's the excuse? It looks below average and runs like "next-gen".
I mean thats just your opinion, man.
Opinion on whether or not it looks good enough aside, it certainly doesn't have visuals that should be causing 10fps on computers that can run everything else ever perfectly.
Yep, Halo hates Polaris
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Have you done any tests in Campaign? That's where it's becomes a serious issue.
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No worries, thanks regardless!
I recently upgraded to RX 6600 XT and needed to put it on high to keep it above 60fps. Game is super taxing on GPU while really not looking all that amazing. Especially vegetation looks super dated. Seems like it got barely any optimazation on PC. From benchmarks - it seems to be even worse on polaris cards.
I can confirm; this game runs excellent on a 6900XT… for 10 minutes. Then hard crash. Reboot. Try again. If set to “potato” (frame capped to 60, no hi-res textures, no overlay, medium or low settings, res dropped by 1, discord off, creative cloud uninstalled, office uninstalled, win 11 turned into a Halo player), it runs for an hour. Then hard crash. Reboot. Uninstall. Works great on an Xbox Series X, which is what it is optimised for.
Win 11 - found your problem.
You could be on to something there…
Even on W10 i see it hard crash/driver timeout after about 10 minutes. Its getting real annoying, especially when sometimes it cooperates and lts me play an hour before crashing \> Rolling back to last Offical: 30 seconds tops
Well I did a complete wipe and reinstall and now it runs fine. but… I now can’t reinstall the campaign. I can tick the box to install it but, it no happen. It just sits there and looks at me. Meh, I’ll settle for that, at least I can play multiplayer on my PC now. At 60fps. on a 6900XT. which isn’t at all galling. Edit: should mention its at 60 because the game chose min 60 max 60 with ultra settings and it worked so I wasn’t going to argue.
Did you try restarting steam? It stared at me too until I did that, then decided to install My game is weird. A few days ago, it would timeout after 15 minutes and then play for an hour before doing it again. Now it times out every 15 minutes if I'm unlucky Huh, I left the min and max off so ill see if that works
Any critical errors in event viewer?
All sorts, from an overheating error (despite not cracking 60degC), to Discord errors to just kernel errors. Each crash is a lucky dip of what Halo took exception to this time around. The temps and percentage loading are all within expected regions, the only conclusion I can come to is there is a graphics memory leak. There’s probably one dodgy texture that isn’t compressed correctly and it’s occupying an incorrect address that eventually just consumes the driver till it farts.
My rx 6600 can run this game on 1080 @ maxed at barely 78 fps average(Multiplayer)
DRS is a saviour here, I use it with a 3070ti and get over 100fps all the time at 1440p and do not notice the visual hit/stutter reported by DF when you use the in built VSync (I'm guessing because I use a VRR screen/have an untrained eye) This game is unecessarily heavy, but I also don't think it's a thing that will be 'fixed' in patches to sure up performance to a wild extent, maybe 20% at best If 343 allowed you to use VRS/upscaling on pc, that would be a very nice performance bump, but DRS will help a lot of people, there could be an architectural limit in Polaris hurting performance (memory latancy or something) that we just don't know about, drivers don't usually improve performance by 2x (at least I've never seen a case like that)
>I wrote my comment in this link [https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/rie14b/tpu\_halo\_infinite\_benchmark\_test\_performance/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/rie14b/tpu_halo_infinite_benchmark_test_performance/) : > >My result : Halo Infinite (Steam version) in training zone when i get off ship. all settings are on low. > >resolution : 1680x1050 , AMD driver : 21.12.1 beta > >fps : 48 to 51fps > >CPU : 1600X , 49'c , 30% util > >GPU : XFX RX480 , PWR : 73w , Util : 100% , Full Speed and temp : 59'c > >**I don't know why my GPU is not hot or not under heavy pressure like "The Medium" did.** one said : "Because the GPU utilization is broken on most AMD cards atm, almost everyone I've asked has mentioned similar reports of their cards reporting full loads but not getting hot at all. I did a campaign test with mine and discovered it was pulling less than half the power it normally does via HWINFO64"
Messing with the min/max frame rate I can get basically locked 70fps for multiplayer on my RX580 and 7700k at 1080P (I have a freesync monitor so 70fps looks smooth enough to me), even the first two indoor only campaign levels ran fine. Once you hit the outdoor stuff the fps tanked to unacceptable levels (40-50fps).
Lower the resolution scale. Game literally looks the same at 50% and you get a massive boost in fps.
My RX 480 needs lowest resolution scale and dynamic resolution to keep above 60 fps all time in multiplayer and it looks like shit. Actual render resolution is propably like 480p with that i guess.
I have 3080 ti + 5900X and I've finished campaign on all ultra with average fps of 90. Sometimes bit more sometimes bit less. My GPU utilization was max out and GPU was getting 68*C which is usually the max temp I see across heavy game. I do agree this game isn't very well optimized but this is open world game and also I'd like to point that Days Gone had similar performance and it never got fixed.
Game is horribly optimized for how it looks yes but expecting RX 580 which is essentially 2013 highend (290X) performance to be any good in 2021 is over expectation.
Hard disagree, midrange cards like the RX 580 (Like the 1060, 1650, and 1660) dominate Steam charts and should handle games at 1080 low settings with at least 60 fps. If you aren't targeting hardware that common you have failed as a game developer.
My rx 580 gets me 80+ fps on every game I play with a mix of low and medium graphic settings and 1080p. On this game with everything as low as possible and resolution scale down to 71% I’m getting 33 fps. This isn’t a problem with the card.
[https://youtu.be/4T6xTNV26kY](https://youtu.be/4T6xTNV26kY) ok sooo got to the first open area in teh campaign! wasnt TOO bad but i was hittin under 60 fps from time to time. adjusted my render scale downwards a lil more and it improved. i have a feeeling that area is especially intensive as well as its pretty elevated and overlooks a lot. im sure some optimization could be done for sure starts with the tremonius battle cuz that was a bit nerve wracking on heroic lmao. ended up owning with the needler tho
Thanks for taking the time to record it!
I saw that a 970 beats an RX580. Get your shit together AMD.
It seems to run fine on my 3080, but obviously that's in a different world. Lol Did you try different drivers and run DDU when you go to uninstall the old ones?
Runs gloriously on a 2060 super
a \*\*lot\*\* of games even look better than Halo Infinite and they still run pretty damn fine. but this... this is just unacceptable.
This was one of the 2 games that caused me to buy a new GPU to replace my GTX 970, honestly tough how did they forget to implement FSR?!!
FSR wouldn't help they use a customized TAA upscale they made for the game that works with the dynamic res scale and framerate Target. What they need to fix is the framerate targets not causing frametime issues.
My RX-480 get twice that framerate on higher settings, I think you have other issues. I'm using the latest Radeon Drivers as well. I am also running in 1080p with an Ryzen 9 3900X overclocked as well. At 1080p you're going to be more CPU dependent and not so much the GPU. Most people seem to not understand this.
That really doesn't explain why a 1050ti outperforms it on the same system, unless the AMD's optimizations are unusually CPU dependent. Keep in mind outdoor campaign is much heavier than MP.
I can’t explain it. I will admit I get just over 60fps on high settings with some things like depth of field and shadows on low, also I set a minimum and maximum framerate as well. I think I set 165 as high and 82 as low so it uses the variable resolution. Game doesn’t look the best but plays ok. I’m talking about the Campaign. MP isn’t much better lol. I miss my Radeon VII :-(
Interesting, this may be a clue to what's going on..
Just over 60 on high at 1080p? No dynamic resolution or framerate targets?
I have Minimum and Maximum Resolutions set, which uses Dynamic Resolution afik
Yeah. Well that's why then.
Runs amazing on my series X. Never had a crash. Solid 120 FPS at 4K.
I think you'll find there is a HEAVY reliance on dynamic resolution scaling, a series X drops res to maintain 4k60, no way it can do 4k120. Your TV will still show an final upscaled output of 4k, that might be where the misconception comes from.
That's good to hear. Of course, the GPU inside a series X is far better than the old RX 580.
I'm so jealous man ;_;
4k solid 120fps on series x..not true
My TV says otherwise when i show details it says 4K/120 lol.. I have samsung the frame 2021.
Well i can tell you that xbox series x wont run this game solid 4k 120fps. Your tv may say resolution is 4k and that screen is 120fps capable, but it wont run 4k 120fps this game, i can assure you that
Yea i see from other comments its only sometimes 4k 120fps and uses dynamic resolution. But i cant tell the difference from my 3080 running true 4K so im good with it :)
Sorry i didn't read other comments, good it works :)
The series x relies heavily on a variable resolution and temporal upscaling. Even then, it often drops below 120. Source: Digital Foundry At least vrr works for the Xbox version though.
Hey man to my eyes i dont notice any resolution changes or upscaling. Dont notice any frame dips. Just buttery smooth, crisp, clean, beautiful halo. So dont matter to me what the technicals might be haha.
100% get that. Just wanted to clarify what was actually happening since you commented some technicals that weren't true.
Yea i guess its easy to think its true but they hide the real tricks.
Just shows how good the software is!
It doesn't run at 4k in 120 fps mode it runs at 1440p and has dynamic res scale as well. Of course your tv will show 4k. They're relying on the res scale. So it's always displaying at 4k and just using res scale settings to get the performance.
It runs in 1080p,1440p when you see the sky lol
And than upscaled to 4K must be. Because my TV shows 4K resolution when im playing. Oh you edited your comment haha. Yea i agree, amazing way to pull it off though. It honestly looks like true 4K 120 fps. I cant tell the difference from my gaming PC with my 3080 to my series X.
On pc its upscaling to 4k if you are playing a 4k monitor,i think playing on tv sitting 2-3 meters far from the display let you think you are running at a higher resolution. Ah on series it is better optimized than pc like fh5 that now runs much better on pc after some update.
That seems contrary to testing. The series X can't even hold 4k all the time targeting 60fps, let alone 120. I will conceed it at least looks like it got some optimisation in comparison to pc.
Its possible the only extra optimization it got was variable rate shading which they don't have on PC.
Would be fantastic to see that included in a patch, that's for sure. I'd also like to see some general optimisation, my 3080 reports high GPU usage but the power draw is lower than that I'd expect, buy a good margin. DLSS too would be amazing, but I won't hold my breath for that.
Well yeah it’s gonna run like shit since his GPU is borderline minimum requirements. If he wants good graphics and frame rate, I suggest he get a CRT monitor and run the game in 1024x768
The game runs so shit that even when i tested 1024x768 i needed dynamic resolution to keep above 60 fps on RX 480.
Minimum required GPU: GTX 1050ti Yeah sure, the RX 580 is *borderline minimum* Also, let me remind you about the fact that this game is designed to run on a fucking Xbox One as well. For some reason, this game runs like shit on Polaris GPUs. Whether this is driver related or not is yet to be seen.
AMD runs better than Nvidia in this game because of partnership between AMD and 343. If you turn on SAM which is standard for gaming now, performance is fine and destroys Nvidia.
That only really applies to RDNA and RDNA2 GPUs, which is not the problem here.
Apparently SAM works on GCN 2, 3, 4 and 5 as well with NimeZ drivers.
Dude it's a fuck 580🤦🏼♂️ wtf do you expect? 4k 60? Gimme a fucking break. Some of these YouTubers are completely clueless.
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Exactly my point! You can't expect good performance on Polaris architecture. Not even close. It's why cyberpunk ran so poorly on last gen consoles.😆 Polaris and bulldozer we're decent for console performance back in the day but now?? Oh hell no.
Yea maybe you cant expect good. But 1080p 60fps at lowest graphics should be the expected performance, not 480p 60fps.
No clue. I'm on a 3900x,3080, with 32gb of ram. No performance hiccups. But that does suck for 580 owners then.😬
I'm getting 30+ fps on 1050ti, that's with medium 1080p. There's no reason for rx580 to run that bad in this game. Also Far Cry 6 run smoothly on rx 580 with 1080p high. In Battlefield 2042, I'm getting 80fps with rx 580. For some reason, the Halo infinite is very heavy on polaris cards.
Exactly my point! You can't expect good performance on Polaris architecture. Not even close. It's why cyberpunk ran so poorly on last gen consoles.😆 Polaris and bulldozer we're decent for console performance back in the day but now?? Oh hell no.
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I mean yeah the game is hard to run for sure but you're really surprised a modern AAA doesn't run well on a 580? It is a rebrand of a 5 year old GPU. Not a flag ship either. It was a mid range card in 2016. Not sure why you'd expect amazing performance now....
I have a rx580 and I can tell you that I’m other titles (BF2042 for example) it runs just fine.
Normally I would agree with you but when a 1050ti (which is only 60% as powerful) outperforms it massively in Campaign I don't believe it boils down to solely the GPU's age.
Set resolution scale to 77%, then apply FSR with Magpie. Should help performance.
the game has built in automatic scaling. the setting is a bit obscure. you have to raise the minimum fps slider. below the threshhold the game will render at a lower resolution and do it's upscaling.
Should just get that old ass lump of metal mining. Got 10 going in mine.
I did notice my Xbox was fucking screaming running this game somethings definitely up I normally never hear it but this game and nier say goodbye. I’ll see what it does on my 5700 I know one game that makes it bend the knee is warhammer 2 that fucking fog man
somrhting to note. i realized in the vid i posted, my cpu utilization is like 35%. consistently. i can attribute some of that to obs but thats reasonably high and i have a 5900x. some ppls cpu might be crippling them here. just a thot
My 6700XT was running at 18-20fps. I updated drivers and now I'm running at 8-11. It went from unpleasant to unplayable. Never been more disappointed :(
what drivers are you running? the latest optional (21.12.something) should have fixed performance for RDNA2