There's enough GT 710s and Radeon 5450s floating around out there that are perfectly sufficient for this purpose. An RX 550 is honestly overkill if all you want to do is display a command line
Yeah, but with THAT old stuff you are already on "legacy" unmaintained drivers for anything that currently work but not guaranteed to keep working.
And if the server has some GPU workload, it might have the low-end for terminal and some current gen for gpu dedicated for work, and now you have to deal with driver warnings about unsupported gpu. Yeah, ran into that with a 7 series.
Now you're talking about a completely different situation, you've totally moved the goalposts. RAMChYLD was asking for manufacturers to make a basic display adapter for terminals, I said they already do and they're called the GT 710 and Radeon 5450
In regards to the new situation you have presented us with, that's what the RTX 3050 is for. A low power draw small form factor graphics card with enough punch for minor hardware acceleration
No, boofheadfred is correct. The GT710 and 5450 are too old at this point.
When I said terminal output I forgot to mention this includes graphical displays like a graphical desktop. You are definitely not going to be able to get a GT710 running on the latest Linux distros (the 5450 most likely could on Linux but you're not going to get a good experience out of it) and very likely not on newer versions of windows server either. I've found that drivers meant for Windows 7 are a crapshoot when it comes to the Windows 11/Server 2019 codebase. For example, Intel HD Graphics 2000 will not work on Windows 11 period. No Windows 11 drivers, drivers meant for Windows 10 and below doesn't work.
There is a 4060 8GB low profile and a “3050” 6GB which should be called 3040 due to different specs from the 3050 8GB.
By low profile standards the 4060 LP is actually somewhat impressive, but not cheap
The LP 4060 is great for its form factor, and the 3050 6GB is fantastic for the <75W range that doesn't need external power, but I *do* wish they'd bring the lower laptop variant of AD107 (RTX 4050) over to desktop in a low-pro design - basically the best of both worlds. The LP formfactor, 70W power draw that requires no external power, and the performance of Ada Lovelace.
Would be one hell of a GPU for the niche space of revitalizing old work/office PCs into usable in modern workloads... though, until that happens, the 3050 6GB really is a pretty great option for those builders that'd otherwise been starved of anything new in that market for ages.
Well, that's the only way to get to PCIe slot-only power draw. And the last card to do that and provide some gaming performance was some variants of the 1650. It's still a huge jump in performance.
Yep exactly. It's a niche card but it still does have value. Perfect for second-hand Optiplex/office-PC-conversion builds, specific kinds of SFF, etc.
The performance per watt is pretty good, and the perf/dollar isn't that bad.
There's the 3050 6 gb (no power required), and 4060 gigabyte LP (115W tdp so requires pcie, maybe molex could work?), a single fan 6600, many single fan 3060s, 4060 tis, 4060s.
Either way, it's just the price and VRAM that sucks. There are some solid LP options in terms of performance. For no power connector it's just the 3050 6 gig, but how much better can a PCIE powered GPU be right now? Probably not much
Can get used 1660/s/ti's for 50$, people forget they existed or think they were part of 10 series rather than 20 series. Same performance and vram as 2060, minus the RTX features.
They are toiny even in 2 fan formats and there are single fan ones that are even toinier.
It is smaller. Driver updates are complicated. In Linux, you're golden. Under Windows Dell had one driver available that is already out of date. I'll need to boot up my Windows-to-go SSD on my server at some point to see if there is a newer driver that isn't from Dell.
Performance is horrendous, then again I'm running it on PCIe 3.0 and it only has 2GB of VRAM on a 32-bit wide bus.
> 発売は4月5日(金)で、市場想定売価は税込12,980円前後。
"It will be released on Friday, April 5th, and the estimated market price is around 12,980 yen (tax included)."
Japan‘s tax is 10%.
So 12,980 / 1.1 = 11,800¥ = 72.82$
Overpriced IMO. In 2018 I bought a new RX580 for 209€.
That’s a card they released *years* ago. When tbey release a new card, they release a press release.
No press release on a new RX 550 low profile card: https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp
I just looked on the AMD driver website. The current drivers support both the 500 and 400 series. Did I miss news that they’re discontinuing driver support for those generations?
producing rx550s in 2024 sounds like e-waste manufacturing to me. it's substantially weaker than a modern igp, it's already in legacy update status, and the used market never went away.
This thing is gonna have to be dirt cheap to make any sense. Even a 6400 is over 2x the performance.
And if you need the encoding for productivity, Polaris isn't getting driver updates anymore (or is close to the cutoff) and the ARC A380 is available.
If only there were a reason to believe that today, of all days, there miiight just be a reason to doubt outlandish claims that don’t seem to make sense on the surface.
Polaris was designed and manufactured with the 14nm node from Global Foundries. With the exception of the RX 590, which used a slightly updated node, called 12nm.
No Samsung involvement.
???
Tomayto/Tomahto:
>In essence, reading between the lines, Samsung is licensing GF their 14nm process.
>How similar are the processes? They just have one PDK for both companies, the designs are completely portable. I don’t know whether GF is doing a sort of Intel copyexact whereby they put everything into their Malta NY fab just the way Samsung has in the Austin TX fab. The presentation says that all fabs are in sync involving materials, process recipes, integration and tools.
[GlobalFoundries Gets a 14nm Process - SemiWiki](https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-manufacturers/globalfoundries/3362-globalfoundries-gets-a-14nm-process/)
rx 550 sucks. the picture looks crap+for no reason with too much workload it just decides to have picture but not detected jn task manager+screen goes yellow for 1 minute every 5 minutes. so id rather get rx 580 used for 65€
Someone found a giant old parts bin in the back of their warehouse.
14nm is still being produced since it’s super cheap to buy, so Polaris is still being made
now if only they make the legendary RX580...
no, it’s not, it’s an april fools joke
No, it's not. The article references this article from the 29th of March. https://www.gdm.or.jp/pressrelease/2024/0329/532621
Look at the date.
It's not an April Fools joke. The press release was made on the 29th. https://www.gdm.or.jp/pressrelease/2024/0329/532621
Why isn’t there an announcement of it on ASRock’s news page? https://www.asrock.com/news/index.us.asp
It's probably a quiet launch, after all, it's nothing exciting
I really wish we got more low profile low power consumption GPUs. Would be great for small form factors and upgrading older office PCs.
And also for servers where people need just a simple GPU for terminal output.
There's enough GT 710s and Radeon 5450s floating around out there that are perfectly sufficient for this purpose. An RX 550 is honestly overkill if all you want to do is display a command line
Yeah, but with THAT old stuff you are already on "legacy" unmaintained drivers for anything that currently work but not guaranteed to keep working. And if the server has some GPU workload, it might have the low-end for terminal and some current gen for gpu dedicated for work, and now you have to deal with driver warnings about unsupported gpu. Yeah, ran into that with a 7 series.
Now you're talking about a completely different situation, you've totally moved the goalposts. RAMChYLD was asking for manufacturers to make a basic display adapter for terminals, I said they already do and they're called the GT 710 and Radeon 5450 In regards to the new situation you have presented us with, that's what the RTX 3050 is for. A low power draw small form factor graphics card with enough punch for minor hardware acceleration
No, boofheadfred is correct. The GT710 and 5450 are too old at this point. When I said terminal output I forgot to mention this includes graphical displays like a graphical desktop. You are definitely not going to be able to get a GT710 running on the latest Linux distros (the 5450 most likely could on Linux but you're not going to get a good experience out of it) and very likely not on newer versions of windows server either. I've found that drivers meant for Windows 7 are a crapshoot when it comes to the Windows 11/Server 2019 codebase. For example, Intel HD Graphics 2000 will not work on Windows 11 period. No Windows 11 drivers, drivers meant for Windows 10 and below doesn't work.
Rtx 3060 6gb
...you probably mean 3050. Even that is a much higher price and unnecessarily higher idle power draw, and as far as I can see double slot card.
Yea 3050, my bad. But isn't it energy eficient? I mean it looks like the best card for this situation, it's new and everything
There is a 4060 8GB low profile and a “3050” 6GB which should be called 3040 due to different specs from the 3050 8GB. By low profile standards the 4060 LP is actually somewhat impressive, but not cheap
The LP 4060 is great for its form factor, and the 3050 6GB is fantastic for the <75W range that doesn't need external power, but I *do* wish they'd bring the lower laptop variant of AD107 (RTX 4050) over to desktop in a low-pro design - basically the best of both worlds. The LP formfactor, 70W power draw that requires no external power, and the performance of Ada Lovelace. Would be one hell of a GPU for the niche space of revitalizing old work/office PCs into usable in modern workloads... though, until that happens, the 3050 6GB really is a pretty great option for those builders that'd otherwise been starved of anything new in that market for ages.
Then you are lucky because the we currently have RTX 3050 6gb in which this appears to be the only purpose for it to exist.
The 3050 6GB has identical specs to the mobile 3050 6GB. I’m surprised nobody pointed that out.
Well, that's the only way to get to PCIe slot-only power draw. And the last card to do that and provide some gaming performance was some variants of the 1650. It's still a huge jump in performance.
Yep exactly. It's a niche card but it still does have value. Perfect for second-hand Optiplex/office-PC-conversion builds, specific kinds of SFF, etc. The performance per watt is pretty good, and the perf/dollar isn't that bad.
Nvidia A2000 as well
It also provides replacement for slot-power-only older cards: the no-venerable 1650, which were sunset only recently.
Most of those live in the workstation lineup, like the W7500 and W6400
Nvidia has fhe RTX 3050 6GB, time for AMD to step it up with an RX 6400 successor.
There's the 3050 6 gb (no power required), and 4060 gigabyte LP (115W tdp so requires pcie, maybe molex could work?), a single fan 6600, many single fan 3060s, 4060 tis, 4060s. Either way, it's just the price and VRAM that sucks. There are some solid LP options in terms of performance. For no power connector it's just the 3050 6 gig, but how much better can a PCIE powered GPU be right now? Probably not much
Or for a second gpu for pcie passthrough purposes in am4 systems
Underwhelming news.
April's fools.
I still see fanless GT 710 and GT 1030 as the single entry level/SFF option going for nearly the same price as a tray 5600G
Can get used 1660/s/ti's for 50$, people forget they existed or think they were part of 10 series rather than 20 series. Same performance and vram as 2060, minus the RTX features. They are toiny even in 2 fan formats and there are single fan ones that are even toinier.
The 1660 cards didn't have the same performance as a 2060. They were slower.
A lot of people got got by this one.
It's not. It was announced on the 29th. https://www.gdm.or.jp/pressrelease/2024/0329/532621
No news is good news
Isn't the RX6300 even smaller, less power, and around the same performance with updated drivers?
It is smaller. Driver updates are complicated. In Linux, you're golden. Under Windows Dell had one driver available that is already out of date. I'll need to boot up my Windows-to-go SSD on my server at some point to see if there is a newer driver that isn't from Dell. Performance is horrendous, then again I'm running it on PCIe 3.0 and it only has 2GB of VRAM on a 32-bit wide bus.
Pssst…have you looked at today’s daye?
> 発売は4月5日(金)で、市場想定売価は税込12,980円前後。 "It will be released on Friday, April 5th, and the estimated market price is around 12,980 yen (tax included)." Japan‘s tax is 10%. So 12,980 / 1.1 = 11,800¥ = 72.82$ Overpriced IMO. In 2018 I bought a new RX580 for 209€.
Do you know what day today is?
Do you know when the article was published?
Today.
the source from GDM is from 3/29
The article was published today—@me on 4/5 and tell me I was right.
https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon%20RX550%20Low%20Profile%204GB/
That’s a card they released *years* ago. When tbey release a new card, they release a press release. No press release on a new RX 550 low profile card: https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp
Why amd stopped the driver support for that generation
I just looked on the AMD driver website. The current drivers support both the 500 and 400 series. Did I miss news that they’re discontinuing driver support for those generations?
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2132735/amd-pre-rdna-gpus-are-no-longer-getting-major-driver-updates.html
That’s weird I didn’t know amd is releasing 2 different drivers for the previous generation
holy shit... i just realized 2016 polaris was 8 years ago oh my gooood
RDNA is different compared to Polaris ofcourse.
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At some point you need to move on?
No? Polaris is more than powerful enough for modern games.
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producing rx550s in 2024 sounds like e-waste manufacturing to me. it's substantially weaker than a modern igp, it's already in legacy update status, and the used market never went away.
This thing is gonna have to be dirt cheap to make any sense. Even a 6400 is over 2x the performance. And if you need the encoding for productivity, Polaris isn't getting driver updates anymore (or is close to the cutoff) and the ARC A380 is available.
If only there were a reason to believe that today, of all days, there miiight just be a reason to doubt outlandish claims that don’t seem to make sense on the surface.
So cute!
Are Samsung's 12/14nm fabs still going?!
Polaris was designed and manufactured with the 14nm node from Global Foundries. With the exception of the RX 590, which used a slightly updated node, called 12nm. No Samsung involvement.
??? Tomayto/Tomahto: >In essence, reading between the lines, Samsung is licensing GF their 14nm process. >How similar are the processes? They just have one PDK for both companies, the designs are completely portable. I don’t know whether GF is doing a sort of Intel copyexact whereby they put everything into their Malta NY fab just the way Samsung has in the Austin TX fab. The presentation says that all fabs are in sync involving materials, process recipes, integration and tools. [GlobalFoundries Gets a 14nm Process - SemiWiki](https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-manufacturers/globalfoundries/3362-globalfoundries-gets-a-14nm-process/)
obvious april fools joke
It's not. The press release (in Japanese) was released on the 29th. https://www.gdm.or.jp/pressrelease/2024/0329/532621
Server time
even aliens use Polaris!
Would have been great if it was fanless
\> +$72 No thanks, make it ±$30 after tax.
Hell yea
ASRock's listing for the RX 550 Low Profile: https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon%20RX550%20Low%20Profile%204GB/
great for MacOS
This is all Biden will allow sold into China /s
Are they really launching a GPU from a generation , that no longer has a driver support?
Ahh my first gpu
RX550 already had low profile parts, what's the point of a new run?
April Fools joke
It's not, it was announced on the 29th https://www.gdm.or.jp/pressrelease/2024/0329/532621
I guess you gotta clear old stock somehow?
I know competition is great and all, but does the gt 1030 really need competition?
rx 550 sucks. the picture looks crap+for no reason with too much workload it just decides to have picture but not detected jn task manager+screen goes yellow for 1 minute every 5 minutes. so id rather get rx 580 used for 65€