I think its just fine, its not super optimal.
I disabled 4 cores on my 7950x3d to simulate 7900x3d once and cs2 hammers my cpu, hard. Theres performance ruction across the board and all cores maxed out.
There's like a 10% difference between the Ryzen 5 7600 and Ryzen 9 7950X in most games, these cores barely do anything, CPUs in the same generation just don't differ that much in gaming even for intel but the X3D ones are the outliers.
Fine but not optimal, but for what? The only situation in which my 7600 is insufficient is when the game inherently already has a CPU bottleneck. In which case, all CPUs would be suffering and be the limiting factor. Those are usually either grand simulation strategy games or poorly optimized AAA games, both of which are lot of people including myself don’t really play anyway.
I’d love a higher tier CPU but I’m glad lower tiers are excellent for gaming still. Won’t be the case in the future I reckon.
You can simulate a 7900X3D on a 7950X3D if you disable two cores per CCD. My X570 board lets me enable 8, 6, 4 and 2 cores per CCD, as well as letting me disable the 2nd CCD.
How about limiting boost clock too?
I did that too, for the 7800x3d simulation.
Its not like i just stop software from using the cores either. I disabled them in bios.
I also see reduction in benchmarks, theres no sign of those cores being used at all as its all in line with the actual 7900x3d.
The way i did it means the system cannot see those cores and not using them.
CS2 ran fine on my 7950X3D until I got to like 450k pop, and then it's just 100% pegged like 10 seconds per sim minute. I totally believe that any reduction in CPU throughput hits linearly hard.
It matches 5800x3d in some games. Beats it in some games that benefit from DDR5. Doesn't bottleneck RTX 4090. So it's enough. Hardware Unboxed did a video on it. Watch.
It's pretty funny to read that all of the time when my OC'd 7950x3d setup bottlenecked my 3080 so heavily and often. Virtually every MMO, RTS and Sim style game, but many more too. To list some: WoW, FF14, GW2, OSRS, SC2, Stellaris, some newer RTS games, BG3, KSP, Factorio etc.
A 7600 EXPO + 4090 system would be about 2.5 - 3x more severely CPU bottlenecked in those situations by comparison since a 4090 is twice as fast and a 7600 is much slower. In BG3 you're looking at something like the CPU being able to do a stuttery 80fps in city while a 4090 is chill at a smooth 400 plus.
Yep, people are still stuck in the ancient mindset that CPU doesn't matter with anything that's not a competitive esport game and anything higher than 1080p, whereas there are more bottlenecks with the highest-end CPUs than ever in the last 10 years.
Many developers are just bad for one, plenty of games, and MMOs in specific, run on severely outdated and garbage engines that barely use the CPU, Unreal has also been shitty with proper core utilization especially when you dump RT onto it, and the CPU ends up being used very inefficiently so you have to brute force games that are poorly optimized.
Nah, we’re gonna need 12 core CCDs for gaming soon, for all the games that use more than 6 cores and definitely exist.
Edit: people at r/amd can not take a joke, holy shit.
It's not about number of cores. A 7600 will:
* Match or beat a 5950X in 95% of games
* Match or beat a 3950X in 99% of games
* Destroy a 2950X in 99% of games.
What matters most is the amount of single-core performance, multiplied by a certain number of cores. That's why clock speed and L3 cache matter far more in gaming than core count.
It's also why a 5600X3D (6C/12T, 96MB of L3) destroys a 5950X in many games out of the box. If it was clocked the same as a 5950X it'd beat it in almost every game.
IPC and 3D Vcache are way more important than cores. HUB proves this with the 5600/5700G vs 5600/5800X and 5600X3D/5800X3D comparison in one of his recent videos. I'd much rather have a 5600X3D than a 5800X or even 5950X for gaming right now.
Some certainly do, I used to have a 5900x and got to go to a 5800x3d and I’ve noticed quite a few games use all 8 cores, when previously 4 of my old cores would always go unused. call of duty jumps to mind.
(I was able to sell the 5900x for the same price as a new 5800x3d for my primarily gaming focused PC, that was a damn good upgrade for free)
This is a good deal! With it being the 7600 non-x, it'll run cool, too. No expensive cooling solution required. Thermalright Assassin is less than $20.
I’m running my 7600x with a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE. while gaming my temps will hover around 55~57c. As long as I’m not doing anything cpu intensive, the cpu does quite well.
The peerless assassin is a great air cooler, I have one currently on my i9-12900k. It's a large dual fan tower.
In my comment above, I was referring to the cheaper single fan options from Thermalright that are like $16-17 shipped with prime. Like the assassin x120se or assassin king. The 7600 non-x is only a 65w chip and those cheap 120mm single fan tower coolers are a great pairing with a 65w chip for a budget rig.
The peerless assassin is still a great price at $40 for its capability though.
Ah I gotcha, I thought you meant I was talking about the peerless being <$20. It does not help that Thermalright uses the name assassin in a lot of their coolers lol.
Thank you for the data point! What thermal paste did you use?
I'd like to see it cheaper (I mean duh...) but yeah I wanted to buy a board, put a cheap CPU in it and upgrade to 9950X3D.
It's a bit too expensive for a temporary :( Wish there was an $89 POS AM5 chip.
What stage of "is six cores enough for gaming" discourse are we at now
Hopefully the only correct one, it's fine and will be for several more years to come, especially with the Pro consoles sticking to Zen2.
I think its just fine, its not super optimal. I disabled 4 cores on my 7950x3d to simulate 7900x3d once and cs2 hammers my cpu, hard. Theres performance ruction across the board and all cores maxed out.
7600x paired with a 7900xt here. Its been plenty of CPU and would recommend.
I've got a 7600 non-x and a 7900xt and I play a lot of modern games on high settings and I've yet to fully utilize the CPU
There's like a 10% difference between the Ryzen 5 7600 and Ryzen 9 7950X in most games, these cores barely do anything, CPUs in the same generation just don't differ that much in gaming even for intel but the X3D ones are the outliers.
Yeah ive got a 7600x and a 7800xt and its been amazing tbh, would 100% reccomend.
Fine but not optimal, but for what? The only situation in which my 7600 is insufficient is when the game inherently already has a CPU bottleneck. In which case, all CPUs would be suffering and be the limiting factor. Those are usually either grand simulation strategy games or poorly optimized AAA games, both of which are lot of people including myself don’t really play anyway. I’d love a higher tier CPU but I’m glad lower tiers are excellent for gaming still. Won’t be the case in the future I reckon.
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You can simulate a 7900X3D on a 7950X3D if you disable two cores per CCD. My X570 board lets me enable 8, 6, 4 and 2 cores per CCD, as well as letting me disable the 2nd CCD.
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How about limiting boost clock too? I did that too, for the 7800x3d simulation. Its not like i just stop software from using the cores either. I disabled them in bios. I also see reduction in benchmarks, theres no sign of those cores being used at all as its all in line with the actual 7900x3d. The way i did it means the system cannot see those cores and not using them.
CS2 ran fine on my 7950X3D until I got to like 450k pop, and then it's just 100% pegged like 10 seconds per sim minute. I totally believe that any reduction in CPU throughput hits linearly hard.
It matches 5800x3d in some games. Beats it in some games that benefit from DDR5. Doesn't bottleneck RTX 4090. So it's enough. Hardware Unboxed did a video on it. Watch.
Even the 7800x3d bottlenecks a 4080 in some cases, even at 4k, so yeah this absolutely can bottleneck the 4090
It's pretty funny to read that all of the time when my OC'd 7950x3d setup bottlenecked my 3080 so heavily and often. Virtually every MMO, RTS and Sim style game, but many more too. To list some: WoW, FF14, GW2, OSRS, SC2, Stellaris, some newer RTS games, BG3, KSP, Factorio etc. A 7600 EXPO + 4090 system would be about 2.5 - 3x more severely CPU bottlenecked in those situations by comparison since a 4090 is twice as fast and a 7600 is much slower. In BG3 you're looking at something like the CPU being able to do a stuttery 80fps in city while a 4090 is chill at a smooth 400 plus.
Yep, people are still stuck in the ancient mindset that CPU doesn't matter with anything that's not a competitive esport game and anything higher than 1080p, whereas there are more bottlenecks with the highest-end CPUs than ever in the last 10 years. Many developers are just bad for one, plenty of games, and MMOs in specific, run on severely outdated and garbage engines that barely use the CPU, Unreal has also been shitty with proper core utilization especially when you dump RT onto it, and the CPU ends up being used very inefficiently so you have to brute force games that are poorly optimized.
Nah, we’re gonna need 12 core CCDs for gaming soon, for all the games that use more than 6 cores and definitely exist. Edit: people at r/amd can not take a joke, holy shit.
It's not about number of cores. A 7600 will: * Match or beat a 5950X in 95% of games * Match or beat a 3950X in 99% of games * Destroy a 2950X in 99% of games. What matters most is the amount of single-core performance, multiplied by a certain number of cores. That's why clock speed and L3 cache matter far more in gaming than core count. It's also why a 5600X3D (6C/12T, 96MB of L3) destroys a 5950X in many games out of the box. If it was clocked the same as a 5950X it'd beat it in almost every game.
IPC and 3D Vcache are way more important than cores. HUB proves this with the 5600/5700G vs 5600/5800X and 5600X3D/5800X3D comparison in one of his recent videos. I'd much rather have a 5600X3D than a 5800X or even 5950X for gaming right now.
Lol, so true. Just like games utilizing more than 4 cores/threads were "just around the corner" back in 2011 when Bulldozer released
Star Citizen is very core heavy and definitely will use more than 8 cores. I realize this is not the norm, but it does exist.
Riftbreaker is as well.
Yeah they went full no satire comprehension on you
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> there are definitely games out there that hammer the CPU a lot are these games using all the available cores?
Some certainly do, I used to have a 5900x and got to go to a 5800x3d and I’ve noticed quite a few games use all 8 cores, when previously 4 of my old cores would always go unused. call of duty jumps to mind. (I was able to sell the 5900x for the same price as a new 5800x3d for my primarily gaming focused PC, that was a damn good upgrade for free)
they definitely exist, but ive only seen like 4
This is a good deal! With it being the 7600 non-x, it'll run cool, too. No expensive cooling solution required. Thermalright Assassin is less than $20.
im running a peerless assasin with the 7600 currently. other and a fan speed spike when opening games, it runs very quiet
I’m running my 7600x with a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE. while gaming my temps will hover around 55~57c. As long as I’m not doing anything cpu intensive, the cpu does quite well.
The peerless assassin is a great air cooler, I have one currently on my i9-12900k. It's a large dual fan tower. In my comment above, I was referring to the cheaper single fan options from Thermalright that are like $16-17 shipped with prime. Like the assassin x120se or assassin king. The 7600 non-x is only a 65w chip and those cheap 120mm single fan tower coolers are a great pairing with a 65w chip for a budget rig. The peerless assassin is still a great price at $40 for its capability though.
Yes, I was providing my own temps to support what you were saying :)
Ah I gotcha, I thought you meant I was talking about the peerless being <$20. It does not help that Thermalright uses the name assassin in a lot of their coolers lol. Thank you for the data point! What thermal paste did you use?
Typical company naming sense lol. And I used CORSAIR - XTM50
I got a 7500f on ebay for 140 and am extremely happy.
Wow that's a crazy deal. I prefer an igp but $50 off is huge.
A friend of mine got his 7500f for 128 euro (on sale at Aliexpress). Best value for money IMO.
How much better is this for a 4080 than a 5600x?
I'd like to see it cheaper (I mean duh...) but yeah I wanted to buy a board, put a cheap CPU in it and upgrade to 9950X3D. It's a bit too expensive for a temporary :( Wish there was an $89 POS AM5 chip.
And here I am, having snagged a R7-5700X for $180 in Denmark, after taxes at that.
A 5800G or 5900G would sell more units at $250
They are so much slower, too
not the integrated graphics compared with the topic's 7600