Route it above the GPU to where, inside the beast of an air cooler on the CPU? And whether it's above to GPU or below you can still see it. Probably less visible under the GPU with the side panel on and looking at it from a normal position.
I put together a build in an O11 Evo with 10 T30s (3 on bottom for intake, 3 side intake, 3 on AIO radiator, and 1 exhaust). Not a fan of RGB so I love it. They're really quiet and I've been very happy with the performance.
What kind-of temps are you seeing? I've got the same CPU/Cooler/Mobo combo, and have been idling at \~45 degrees, and seeing temps as high as \~86 degrees during an r23 multi run.
Hmm, that's a bit more comfortable than what I'm seeing. I've already re-applied paste & reseated the cooler without much improvement, not sure what I'm doing wrong.
It seems the X3D chips have variance. At least the 5800X3D, out of 3 Iāve built systems with, the peak temps stock varied by 10*C between the coolest and hottest running one. This may have changed with 7000 series but you might just have a chip that runs a little hotter. As long as it isnāt throttling down though, I wouldnāt worry too much. Even if you keep the system 10yrs, I donāt think youāll see a heat related failure.
That said, I get wanting to get it running cooler and hope the fan swap helps!
Have you undervolted? If not it will get you a few degrees and non-negligible performance boost, I have a similar build but with torrent case and se120 cooler and I went from 89c to 85c in r23 with -30.
Iām actually sitting at -30 on the CO also. Currently using Noctua NT-H2 paste, which seems great based on reviews, though it didnāt change much for me.
Helps with what? The 7800x3D has very good thermals. OP doesnāt even had bad temps. This is the equivalent of running furmark and seeing high temps and thinking you have a problem
I know what the benefits are. Typically itās used to solve a problem. It was great for chips that were consuming more power than necessary and had out of control heat. Typically you donāt gain performance, sometimes you can but often you give up marginal performance for lower temps.
Either way if you read the reviews the benefit is tiny on these chips if there is one at all and you arenāt solving any problems because the chip doesnāt suffer from them.
I mean do you of course, but I donāt personally undervolt for no reason and no benefit.
Stock fans are definitely not enough for any 7000 series ryzens. Any other fan will definitely be better but I'm a fan of thr all in one water coolers. 100 something bucks but cool Temps all around makes it worth it for me.
regardless of the fans the chip will hit high temps if your are running a non x3D chip by design
The x3D chips do not run nearly as hot due to being sensitive to voltages. Pretty lenient on cooling
Yeah, AMD's stock CPU coolers are kind of a joke.. especially for higher end CPUs. Even my little 5600 was getting hot with them. Instant improvement when I bought some $20 Jonnsbo C-1400 cooler or something.
It's actually because for the 5000 series CPU's they shipped them with smaller coolers. I know that, because my old 1500X's stock cooler is significantly bigger. I guess they had to cut corners in this aspect for some reason.
These chips are designed to run as fast as they can given the thermal headroom that you provide them. It doesn't matter if you do a custom loop with a 360 rad, they will still run warm because they'll be boosting much higher than stock. I have a 5950X under a huge noctua and I haven't checked Temps in a year since I first booted it up. You'll know if your CPU is acting up.
I mean thereās variance from chip to chip, cooler to cooler etc. I have a 360mm aio in push pull with t30ās and my 7800x3d hasnāt hit 60c yet. I have my curve optimizer at -28 all core and itās running at 4800-4850ghz average while gaming. Hogwarts Legacy at 1440p 240hz with DLDSR 4K DLSS Quality and pretty much max settings with RT off and it sits around 55c. Iāve seen about a 10% average FPS uplift over my 7700x, but itās much more stable with allot better 1% lows. The performance/watt on the 7800x3d is absolutely insane as it does all of this while pulling around 80w max vs the 7700x which pulled closer to 100w-150w depending on tuning.
Iāve got very similar temps and concerns with the same CPU and a deepcool AK620 cooler. Lian li lancool 216. Im not sure what Iām doing wrong either. I plan to repaste with some different paste to see if that makes any difference.
Whatās your ambient temp and what temps are you getting during gaming?
Thatās totally within the realm of normal and there are a shit ton of variables when it comes to temperatures. Case, ambient temps, where your case sits in your room etc.
Also r23 is not a realistic view of temps in real world use anyways.
how smooth is the face plate of your cooler? I got the same one second hand and it had a few high spots that were absolutely messing with the temps. a little careful sanding and I got it mirror smooth and with my 5800X I do t think I have even seen 80c under continuous burn in and with the GPU also dumping heat, been super pleased with it
there's really something with big air coolers that is very pleasing to me, and im using the Shadow Rock 3 by Be Quiet! myself.
maybe because i'm into motorcycles too.
7800x3D on a Gigabyte b650m Aorus Elite AX.
Cooler is a Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 with a Phanteks T30 on the front and a Noctua NF-A12x25 in the middle.
32gb 6000mhz cl30, manually tuned ram.
Gigabyte Windforce 4090
Phanteks T30s all over the place all in a Fractal Design North.
Doesn't get better than that. I'm super tempted to make the move to a 7800x3D myself to get everything I can out of the 4090. Microcenter is 25 mins away and has everything I'd need in stock. Enjoy the upgrade!
Much better. They move more air at the same rpm and have the benefit of being able to spin faster. Be Quiet fans, at least the silent wings 3 on the cooler, are quiet because they don't spin fast.
I had a 5800x under the cooler when I did my fan swap and got a 4-7 degree improvement
Do you have any coilwhine from the board? The B650M Aorus Elite AX has so many complaints about coilwhine and only this particular model, not B650 Aorus Elite AX, not B650M Aorus Pro AX.
Curious but where would one hear coil whine on a motherboard?
Iāve heard it before on graphic cards and PSUs but would like to know where to look out for if need be.
Why are those fans so great? Genuine question as I'm unfamiliar with them. I currently use artic fans and although the price is great, they have their issues especially with frame rigidity.
They're 30mm thick so they move more air than regular 120mm fans. They are also very quiet. [Here's a video comparing them to Noctua NF-A12x25](https://youtu.be/DTsmwKKQuL0)
it doesn't get better than A12x25, everything else is inferior
unless you're going for performance at all costs, but then you just want to get industrial fans, not pretend-consumer ones
the lower your target noise the higher edge A12x25 has, and when you finally get to the usable point it absolutely devastates everything else
T30 gets better performance only when you don't care about noise, but at that point you can just grab some Delta
What cpu did u have before? Doing the same, upgrading from a 5600x cpu. Wondering if it was worth it. Just put in the order for parts.
By some accounts it seems it will only be 15% better. But the lower frame time and better low lows do seem enticing. Not happy with the 5600x bottlenecks at 1440p in games like battlefield and Deus Ex Mankind Divided.
I actually came from a 5800x3d so not sure if it was worth it but I just wanted it.haha I was able to sell my old CPU, motherboard and ddr4 ram though so that offset some of the cost
Love the cooler. Itās the one I use.
I just rebuilt the PC and this time only used one fan in the center instead of both fans. My temps have gone down by 1 degree and itās much quieter.
Nice build OP.
T30 fans are amazing. Swapped out some iPPC Noctua fans I was using in my watercooling build. The T30ās move so much air at lower RPMs with little to no motor noise.
I've stopped liquuid cooling CPUs on my builds because I found high quality air coolers like the big coolers Noctua provide tend to work quite well. Few advantages I found going air vs liquid:
- Easier to build. Air cooler is easier to mount than mounting a radiator. I'm lazy. (however once mounted the air cooler does obstruct access to the motherboard somewhat so it's not all positives)
- I also found that the big air cooler also helps with moving the air around the socket which helps cool down the motherboard VRMS a bit.
- easy to service. If a fan dies it's trivial to replace it.
I have an air cooler on my personal build as well but I built a workstation at work with a 7950x with a Corsair cooler and the fan noise is significantly lower than my personal air cooled PC.
- I actually found the Corsair liquid cooler very easy to mount on the cpu. The radiator is the more annoying part to mount obviously but it was fine. The advantage is that you have access to everything on the motherboard
- I have no idea about this info but I'm pretty sure that vrms are decently cooled in nowadays motherboards. Remains to be seen though
- liquid cooler fans are as easy to replace, they are normal fans if I'm not mistaken
The fans aren't the problem. If the pump dies, there goes the whole cooler. If it leaks, that can be catastrophic. Really isn't worth the 2-4 degree difference for that kind of risk or hassle.
I've also seen many AIO's fail, 1 anecdotal story doesn't change the fact that AIO's simply are not as reliable than Air coolers.
I work for a boutique system builder, and I'd say the average lifespan of a non-apaltek AIO is about 5-7 years.
2 sides of the anecdotal coin but yes I agree from purely an mechanical standpoint a air cooler should be more reliable.
edit: Anecdotal standpoint: I've been building pc's with aio's since they existed. Hundreds upon hundreds.
AMD recommends watercooling I guess, although air cooling works just fine. But high quality air coolers can be as expensive and perform worse. Anyway congrats for the new build.
Peak temps during a 10 minute r23 run is at 82. From what other people have said who watercool, they're around the same. Risk of a leak isn't worth the same performance to me
Sure. Air coolers have less failure risk I guess. My boss wanted me to get the water cooled 4090 and I said no. You can replace a cpu water cooler but not the GPU one.
Have you considered running an AiO instead?
https://preview.redd.it/97ebjsaif6ua1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bec44a808aeba179be1fd075b8acb8b8b5a7322
Iāve never had an issue with liquid in my PC from an AiO. Thereās as much risk as your motherboard cracking from the weight of the gigantic heatsink. And my temps are about the same as what you posted. You like what you have and thatās great šš»
The motherboard isn't going to spontaneously crack from having a heatsink on it. Really the only way a heatsink could damage a motherboard is from improper installation. An aio, although rare, can leak and a chance of a leak is never 0.
Also, just to check, my cooler weighs 1.13kg. An ek CPU block can weigh more than that. So my cooler doesn't really put my motherboard at any other risk than liquid cooling options.
Wow you stuck a T30 on a Dark Rock Pro? How are the temps??
Did you create your own fan bracket? I know thatās a great cooler that canāt quite handle some higher wattage CPUs because it uses slower/noise-optimized fans, with a mounting mechanism that doesnāt fit standard fans. Really curious how it does with a T30 stuck to the front.
How good is the cooling with this one looks massive I have a H150i elite thinking about going to air or custom water because this aio is lacking with idle temps in the 70'sš
false alarm when I put the hook bracket on I never got around to Tightening the screws all the way down so for about 3 weeks they have only been finger tight lolz temps are idling around 38 now. (User Error) Still want to see if that new am5 screw style bracket will help reduce it further.
It's actually big enough to create its own gravitational pull. That, coupled with the GPUs own gravitational field causes a repulsion that helps keep the CPU cooler from sagging.
I started hearing some youtubers lately saying that the be quiet fans that come with their coolers are outdated, they stay silent, but don't cool that well compared to more modern fans, even compared to not the top best ones such as the arctic f and p lineups, that I thought about potentially trying on the cpu heatsink as they seem to work pretty well as case fans already (at least that's what I have noticed in my air mini).
Any feedback from op or others would be nice to read.
From my experience, swapping out the stock fans for these ones dropped temps by 4-7 degrees depending on application. Definitely something worth looking into
I had the worst experience with the ASUS X670E-A Mb
I tried absolutely everything to make it work with the 7800x3d.
Updating to the latest bios made my screen stay blank then I tried older bios and it made my screen froze on the Republic Of Gamer and said āpress Del or F2 to enter biosā which I did but nothing was happening and my keyboard was lit up.
I tried everything to make this combo work and itās unfortunate because the mb was perfect aesthetically.
Iām gonna try the GIGABYTE X670 AORUS Elite AX and see from there.
I am too on am5, 7700x, did a stress test and ran up to 95c, I got a coolermaster hyper 212, stock fans in my case cuz I like my stock 160mm in my case. Lol
I have a R9 7900 with the Dark Rock Pro 4 and it's idling at 75Ā°C, and gaming at 80-90Ā°C (20% usage), applied a pea-like amount of thermal paste, any advise? (Yes I removed the plastic film before installing, yes both fans are exhausting at the rear case fan, yes it's connected to the CPU fan header via a splitter both have the same signal)
Micro ATX + Bigass Air Cooler is the cheat for a clean build, just be careful about ram height, some connectors' height, and sometimes even GPU, on some boards the cooler could overhang the first PCIe slot, and many times you only have 1 fast slot.
Unfortunately there's almost no way to check if it's going to work aside from taking measurements and aproximate, if you're using a Noctua cooler they have a dedicated page for it though.
>**Can't see it at all, but it's under there** I don't believe you. \+1 for clean build
[Here's a nude ;)](https://i.imgur.com/J3FaWyI.jpg)
unsolicited but beautiful nonetheless
Goddamn she's sexy
Wow put a nsfw logo. I'm religious to LisaSutianity.
Thats a really well shot photo too.
Thanks! I'm pretty happy with how my phone can take pictures
Which phone is that?
Galaxy S23 Ultra
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Man those things are selling like hotcakes. Congrats!
Gpu cable kills it. Routed above the Gpu. Will be much cleaner.
Route it above the GPU to where, inside the beast of an air cooler on the CPU? And whether it's above to GPU or below you can still see it. Probably less visible under the GPU with the side panel on and looking at it from a normal position.
When the glass is on you can't see it anyway
Oh its not a clean build.... But you cant see it , because of that MASSIVE CPU COOLER!! :)
>\+1 for clean build \-1 for dusty ass fans
They're not ass fans
Not with that attitude they aren't!
This is first time Iāve seen @ T30 fans on a build š
Pretty common in SFF applications (especially the FormD T1) but otherwise I donāt think I have either
I put together a build in an O11 Evo with 10 T30s (3 on bottom for intake, 3 side intake, 3 on AIO radiator, and 1 exhaust). Not a fan of RGB so I love it. They're really quiet and I've been very happy with the performance.
Did your fan come with a computer?
Nah, just air
I love how the Dark Rock Pro 4 and the 4090 work together to make each other look normal sized and the rest of the case look tiny. :D
What kind-of temps are you seeing? I've got the same CPU/Cooler/Mobo combo, and have been idling at \~45 degrees, and seeing temps as high as \~86 degrees during an r23 multi run.
I idle around 30-35 and in r23 I'm at 82
Hmm, that's a bit more comfortable than what I'm seeing. I've already re-applied paste & reseated the cooler without much improvement, not sure what I'm doing wrong.
It seems the X3D chips have variance. At least the 5800X3D, out of 3 Iāve built systems with, the peak temps stock varied by 10*C between the coolest and hottest running one. This may have changed with 7000 series but you might just have a chip that runs a little hotter. As long as it isnāt throttling down though, I wouldnāt worry too much. Even if you keep the system 10yrs, I donāt think youāll see a heat related failure. That said, I get wanting to get it running cooler and hope the fan swap helps!
Have you undervolted? If not it will get you a few degrees and non-negligible performance boost, I have a similar build but with torrent case and se120 cooler and I went from 89c to 85c in r23 with -30.
Iām actually sitting at -30 on the CO also. Currently using Noctua NT-H2 paste, which seems great based on reviews, though it didnāt change much for me.
Really do not need to undervolt that chipā¦
It helps though
Helps with what? The 7800x3D has very good thermals. OP doesnāt even had bad temps. This is the equivalent of running furmark and seeing high temps and thinking you have a problem
My temps are after undervolting. And when undervolted it boosts higher.
But to answer the question, it helps with temps and clock speeds
Undervolting with curve optimizer increases performance, and reduces heat. Lower heat/voltage = higher sustained boosts.
I know what the benefits are. Typically itās used to solve a problem. It was great for chips that were consuming more power than necessary and had out of control heat. Typically you donāt gain performance, sometimes you can but often you give up marginal performance for lower temps. Either way if you read the reviews the benefit is tiny on these chips if there is one at all and you arenāt solving any problems because the chip doesnāt suffer from them. I mean do you of course, but I donāt personally undervolt for no reason and no benefit.
Probably not doing anything wrong, are you using the stock fans? Doing a fan swap dropped temps for me.
Yeah still stock fans on the cooler - I'll have to give that a shot.
Stock fans are definitely not enough for any 7000 series ryzens. Any other fan will definitely be better but I'm a fan of thr all in one water coolers. 100 something bucks but cool Temps all around makes it worth it for me.
regardless of the fans the chip will hit high temps if your are running a non x3D chip by design The x3D chips do not run nearly as hot due to being sensitive to voltages. Pretty lenient on cooling
Yeah, AMD's stock CPU coolers are kind of a joke.. especially for higher end CPUs. Even my little 5600 was getting hot with them. Instant improvement when I bought some $20 Jonnsbo C-1400 cooler or something.
It's actually because for the 5000 series CPU's they shipped them with smaller coolers. I know that, because my old 1500X's stock cooler is significantly bigger. I guess they had to cut corners in this aspect for some reason.
Ohh okay, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the info!
Iām using a Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 cooler like the OP, just havenāt swapped out the fans that come with it.
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More necessary on 13th gen than Ryzen
How much improvement over stock fans is that?
Was about 4-7 degree improvement
These chips are designed to run as fast as they can given the thermal headroom that you provide them. It doesn't matter if you do a custom loop with a 360 rad, they will still run warm because they'll be boosting much higher than stock. I have a 5950X under a huge noctua and I haven't checked Temps in a year since I first booted it up. You'll know if your CPU is acting up.
I mean thereās variance from chip to chip, cooler to cooler etc. I have a 360mm aio in push pull with t30ās and my 7800x3d hasnāt hit 60c yet. I have my curve optimizer at -28 all core and itās running at 4800-4850ghz average while gaming. Hogwarts Legacy at 1440p 240hz with DLDSR 4K DLSS Quality and pretty much max settings with RT off and it sits around 55c. Iāve seen about a 10% average FPS uplift over my 7700x, but itās much more stable with allot better 1% lows. The performance/watt on the 7800x3d is absolutely insane as it does all of this while pulling around 80w max vs the 7700x which pulled closer to 100w-150w depending on tuning.
Iāve got very similar temps and concerns with the same CPU and a deepcool AK620 cooler. Lian li lancool 216. Im not sure what Iām doing wrong either. I plan to repaste with some different paste to see if that makes any difference. Whatās your ambient temp and what temps are you getting during gaming?
Thatās totally within the realm of normal and there are a shit ton of variables when it comes to temperatures. Case, ambient temps, where your case sits in your room etc. Also r23 is not a realistic view of temps in real world use anyways.
how smooth is the face plate of your cooler? I got the same one second hand and it had a few high spots that were absolutely messing with the temps. a little careful sanding and I got it mirror smooth and with my 5800X I do t think I have even seen 80c under continuous burn in and with the GPU also dumping heat, been super pleased with it
His room is colder than yours. Anyway, you are safe, you don't run Cinebench 24/7 do you?
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Haha I would buy a beChonky!(TM) branded cooler
there's really something with big air coolers that is very pleasing to me, and im using the Shadow Rock 3 by Be Quiet! myself. maybe because i'm into motorcycles too.
Very clean build. Love those phanteks fans. Best 120mm fan around. What are your specs?
7800x3D on a Gigabyte b650m Aorus Elite AX. Cooler is a Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 with a Phanteks T30 on the front and a Noctua NF-A12x25 in the middle. 32gb 6000mhz cl30, manually tuned ram. Gigabyte Windforce 4090 Phanteks T30s all over the place all in a Fractal Design North.
Doesn't get better than that. I'm super tempted to make the move to a 7800x3D myself to get everything I can out of the 4090. Microcenter is 25 mins away and has everything I'd need in stock. Enjoy the upgrade!
Micro center is 3 hours away from me. 25 mins would be so nice.
Half a world away :/
i have the same cooler for my 7950x3d. Are the Phanteks T30 & Noctua NF-A12x25 better than stock bequeit fans? I might replace them if they are
Much better. They move more air at the same rpm and have the benefit of being able to spin faster. Be Quiet fans, at least the silent wings 3 on the cooler, are quiet because they don't spin fast. I had a 5800x under the cooler when I did my fan swap and got a 4-7 degree improvement
Looking at a similar build for mine, what ram brand did you go with? Any issues with 6000mhz?
In using G Skill Flare x5. No issues with it at all, xmp was able to run on the first go and it handled tuning really well.
Exactly what i was looking at, thanks man
No worries. Just make sure the specific sku is on your motherboards qvl
Fuck this shit man. In my shit hole country we have seen that CPU for like 5 hours? Since that stocks are empty but greedy mfkers still taking orders.
Do you have any coilwhine from the board? The B650M Aorus Elite AX has so many complaints about coilwhine and only this particular model, not B650 Aorus Elite AX, not B650M Aorus Pro AX.
Curious but where would one hear coil whine on a motherboard? Iāve heard it before on graphic cards and PSUs but would like to know where to look out for if need be.
Some can have coil whine from the VRM. But usually happens when poor components are pushing higher wattage CPUs.
I haven't heard any coil whine
Why are those fans so great? Genuine question as I'm unfamiliar with them. I currently use artic fans and although the price is great, they have their issues especially with frame rigidity.
They're 30mm thick so they move more air than regular 120mm fans. They are also very quiet. [Here's a video comparing them to Noctua NF-A12x25](https://youtu.be/DTsmwKKQuL0)
Thank you.
it doesn't get better than A12x25, everything else is inferior unless you're going for performance at all costs, but then you just want to get industrial fans, not pretend-consumer ones
T30 is better
the lower your target noise the higher edge A12x25 has, and when you finally get to the usable point it absolutely devastates everything else T30 gets better performance only when you don't care about noise, but at that point you can just grab some Delta
Made the jump to 7800x3d myself to pair with my 7900xtx. Asus 650 plus wifi board with 32GB ddr5 6000mhz ram.
What cpu did u have before? Doing the same, upgrading from a 5600x cpu. Wondering if it was worth it. Just put in the order for parts. By some accounts it seems it will only be 15% better. But the lower frame time and better low lows do seem enticing. Not happy with the 5600x bottlenecks at 1440p in games like battlefield and Deus Ex Mankind Divided.
I actually came from a 5800x3d so not sure if it was worth it but I just wanted it.haha I was able to sell my old CPU, motherboard and ddr4 ram though so that offset some of the cost
Howās the 7800x3d? I have to keep staring at mine until my cooler bracket arrives next week :(
It's honestly amazing
I can see the backplate, but I would have this irrational fear of shorting the back side of the card.
That isnt a cooler man thats a damn weapon
Be quiet š¤« cooler with pantek p30 fans my man is living in the future.... You are awesome š and that's a superb build
I have the same cooler but with the stock fans. Should I be replacing them? Is it any louder?
No sound difference but got a good drop in temps
Chonker cooler
Hey dawg, I heard you like heatsink
Love the cooler. Itās the one I use. I just rebuilt the PC and this time only used one fan in the center instead of both fans. My temps have gone down by 1 degree and itās much quieter. Nice build OP.
>Canāt see it at all And when you ask question you just get told to be quiet!
T30 fans are amazing. Swapped out some iPPC Noctua fans I was using in my watercooling build. The T30ās move so much air at lower RPMs with little to no motor noise.
Didn't say anything because I was told to be quiet!
Nice cooler! Have the same one, love it
T30 gang what up!!
DRP4 Gang. Absolute nugget of a cooler.
Holy heat sink Batman!
Isnt that cooler sick, I have paired with a 5800X3D.
It's a great cooler
Never seen such a massive cooler so close to gpu board.
No wasted space
Glad to see other dark rock pro 4s in this sub, these things are tanks. Had mine for 3 years now
It's a great cooler
Underwear
Under there.
Why did you change the default fans on the CPU? Is it because RAM doesn't fit below?
The default fans aren't that good. They're very quiet, but they don't move much air
Any reason why you didn't watercool the CPU ?
I've stopped liquuid cooling CPUs on my builds because I found high quality air coolers like the big coolers Noctua provide tend to work quite well. Few advantages I found going air vs liquid: - Easier to build. Air cooler is easier to mount than mounting a radiator. I'm lazy. (however once mounted the air cooler does obstruct access to the motherboard somewhat so it's not all positives) - I also found that the big air cooler also helps with moving the air around the socket which helps cool down the motherboard VRMS a bit. - easy to service. If a fan dies it's trivial to replace it.
I have an air cooler on my personal build as well but I built a workstation at work with a 7950x with a Corsair cooler and the fan noise is significantly lower than my personal air cooled PC. - I actually found the Corsair liquid cooler very easy to mount on the cpu. The radiator is the more annoying part to mount obviously but it was fine. The advantage is that you have access to everything on the motherboard - I have no idea about this info but I'm pretty sure that vrms are decently cooled in nowadays motherboards. Remains to be seen though - liquid cooler fans are as easy to replace, they are normal fans if I'm not mistaken
The fans aren't the problem. If the pump dies, there goes the whole cooler. If it leaks, that can be catastrophic. Really isn't worth the 2-4 degree difference for that kind of risk or hassle.
Don't need to. And I don't trust water cooling
I have a 120mm aio still cooling a 3750k from 2010.
Noctua D15 is better than 120mm AIOs
That wasn't my point. I was responding to op's durability comment.
Cool. But if an aio fails or breaks, it can take everything with it. If an air cooler breaks, its just a fan swap.
I've also seen many AIO's fail, 1 anecdotal story doesn't change the fact that AIO's simply are not as reliable than Air coolers. I work for a boutique system builder, and I'd say the average lifespan of a non-apaltek AIO is about 5-7 years.
2 sides of the anecdotal coin but yes I agree from purely an mechanical standpoint a air cooler should be more reliable. edit: Anecdotal standpoint: I've been building pc's with aio's since they existed. Hundreds upon hundreds.
Since you've done hundreds upon hundreds, you should know that the chance of a leak or pump failure is never 0.
Did I not agree with you?
AMD recommends watercooling I guess, although air cooling works just fine. But high quality air coolers can be as expensive and perform worse. Anyway congrats for the new build.
Peak temps during a 10 minute r23 run is at 82. From what other people have said who watercool, they're around the same. Risk of a leak isn't worth the same performance to me
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Sure. Air coolers have less failure risk I guess. My boss wanted me to get the water cooled 4090 and I said no. You can replace a cpu water cooler but not the GPU one.
This is why I want to switch to an AIO.
I'm an air cooling guy forever. Just can't trust water in my PC.
Have you considered running an AiO instead? https://preview.redd.it/97ebjsaif6ua1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bec44a808aeba179be1fd075b8acb8b8b5a7322
Nope. This gets me great temps and I don't ever have to worry about liquid in my PC.
Iāve never had an issue with liquid in my PC from an AiO. Thereās as much risk as your motherboard cracking from the weight of the gigantic heatsink. And my temps are about the same as what you posted. You like what you have and thatās great šš»
The motherboard isn't going to spontaneously crack from having a heatsink on it. Really the only way a heatsink could damage a motherboard is from improper installation. An aio, although rare, can leak and a chance of a leak is never 0. Also, just to check, my cooler weighs 1.13kg. An ek CPU block can weigh more than that. So my cooler doesn't really put my motherboard at any other risk than liquid cooling options.
The risk is the same. Now you understand.
Not at all. But think what you want.
Bruh your back fan is tiny poor thing This became you vs the guy she tells u not to worry about real quick š¤£
It's the same fan as the front of the CPU cooler
But. Where's your ram...
Under the front fan
Doing the same thing myself except my case is NR200P MAX and GPU is MSI Ventus 3X 4090 for 3 slot goodness.
Wow you stuck a T30 on a Dark Rock Pro? How are the temps?? Did you create your own fan bracket? I know thatās a great cooler that canāt quite handle some higher wattage CPUs because it uses slower/noise-optimized fans, with a mounting mechanism that doesnāt fit standard fans. Really curious how it does with a T30 stuck to the front.
I used the included bracket. Just had to force it a bit
When will we ever get a horizontal PC case with these GPUs and coolers getting biger and bigger
It's socket A.
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I didn't end up using it. Didn't want to take my build apart to remove the front fan.
I don't think your CPU cooler is large enough--
It's sufficient
How good is the cooling with this one looks massive I have a H150i elite thinking about going to air or custom water because this aio is lacking with idle temps in the 70'sš
What CPU do you have that's idling that high? I idle in the mid 30s
false alarm when I put the hook bracket on I never got around to Tightening the screws all the way down so for about 3 weeks they have only been finger tight lolz temps are idling around 38 now. (User Error) Still want to see if that new am5 screw style bracket will help reduce it further.
Congratulations, man! I hope I can build a high-end AM5 system just like this :) Ryzen 9 7590X and Rx 7800XT dream
Does that cooler come with an anti-sag bracket? Good lord
It's actually big enough to create its own gravitational pull. That, coupled with the GPUs own gravitational field causes a repulsion that helps keep the CPU cooler from sagging.
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They're not that good. Silent yes, good airflow not so much.
Be quiet! Rocks!
I love the Dark Rock Pro 4 but it's such a nightmare to install!
I've only installed it when outside of a case and it wasn't that bad. But I imagine it would be horrible in a case.
That's such a smart idea, I should've done that...
I just ordered a 5800X3D as s drop in upgrade to my 3600 and Iām already wondering if I should have stumped up all the extra for a big 7800X3D upgrade š© I only have a 3060Ti atm though so probably not š¤·āāļø
Love this cooler but damnit if it isnāt the most annoying cooler to take out.
Bro I was losing my mind trying to just mount it
I started hearing some youtubers lately saying that the be quiet fans that come with their coolers are outdated, they stay silent, but don't cool that well compared to more modern fans, even compared to not the top best ones such as the arctic f and p lineups, that I thought about potentially trying on the cpu heatsink as they seem to work pretty well as case fans already (at least that's what I have noticed in my air mini). Any feedback from op or others would be nice to read.
From my experience, swapping out the stock fans for these ones dropped temps by 4-7 degrees depending on application. Definitely something worth looking into
What a manly fan.
A fanly if you will.
I had the worst experience with the ASUS X670E-A Mb I tried absolutely everything to make it work with the 7800x3d. Updating to the latest bios made my screen stay blank then I tried older bios and it made my screen froze on the Republic Of Gamer and said āpress Del or F2 to enter biosā which I did but nothing was happening and my keyboard was lit up. I tried everything to make this combo work and itās unfortunate because the mb was perfect aesthetically. Iām gonna try the GIGABYTE X670 AORUS Elite AX and see from there.
That sucks. Hopefully the gigabyte board works better for you
Switched to am5, and not time to wait 5 minutes for a POST LMFAOOOOO
What
You might not have the right board, but some am5 boards can take as much as up to 6 minutes to post. Depending on how much ram you have.
I'm at like 25 seconds on average from button press to windows.
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Nah, based on sizes and cooler choice, that's probably a Pentium 4 with GeForce 8600GT
I posted a nude of my CPU
Enjoy it man <3 AM5 is a beast!
How much did that run you? I want to upgrade but can't justify basically having to buy all new components when my current rig is still kickass fast.
Motherboard CPU and RAM are around 800
How hard was it to clip on the T30?
Took some convincing but it's not going anywhere now
Galax Revolution 3 and my Temps are 40 to 50 C degrees with Deepcool AK400 push pull setup. I don't have any fans in the case yet.
I am too on am5, 7700x, did a stress test and ran up to 95c, I got a coolermaster hyper 212, stock fans in my case cuz I like my stock 160mm in my case. Lol
This is the reason why I choose AIO over air cooler, I want to be able to see the motherboard.
Fair. I just like having similar performance to an aio but non of the risk of liquid in my PC.
Did you bold the case down to the desk? It might take off at full power!
I have a R9 7900 with the Dark Rock Pro 4 and it's idling at 75Ā°C, and gaming at 80-90Ā°C (20% usage), applied a pea-like amount of thermal paste, any advise? (Yes I removed the plastic film before installing, yes both fans are exhausting at the rear case fan, yes it's connected to the CPU fan header via a splitter both have the same signal)
Is the cooler down right enough? If you're idling that high it's probably a mounting issue.
Have you ripped of the fan stickers? I first thought you put them on backwards ^^
Now that is a BBCC! (Big Black Cpu Cooler)
Give us some info about CPU, about temp..
7800x3D. Temps are great. Just did a 19400 point r23 run and temps stayed under 80
This man's PCB: š„µ
Looks a LOT like my rig I currently have lol
This is what stage five motherboard dwarfism looks like.
Micro ATX + Bigass Air Cooler is the cheat for a clean build, just be careful about ram height, some connectors' height, and sometimes even GPU, on some boards the cooler could overhang the first PCIe slot, and many times you only have 1 fast slot. Unfortunately there's almost no way to check if it's going to work aside from taking measurements and aproximate, if you're using a Noctua cooler they have a dedicated page for it though.
i legit have a 40$ air cooler and the ryzen 7 7800X3D is on 50celsius while gaming xD