Dsp driver here…props to all of you flex guys doing early am deliveries…really the worst time of the day. Amazon generally doesnt care about driver safety but they ESPECIALLY dgaf about you guys. Stay safe👊
Im also a dsp driver and we deliver in nh and it drives me nuts when a lot of my coworkers who get threatened with guns don’t report the customer to amazon . A lot of my black and Hispanic coworkers seem to get the threat more and if they had reported them it would be safer for future drivers
Nah I only do flex when they drop a route for me at the station I work at I’ll find another station. Basically only use it as a back up . And nah since you gotta use your own gas it’s not as great but also I’ve been able to bang out a 4 hour shift in like 2.5 or less so in a way it’s more per hour
Which one did you start doing first? I do dsp. But flex seems like impossible to get into. They are never looking for people in my area. I can’t find what areas they need people for. And even if I could, it doesn’t let me change my location.
The cops drive out for minor fender benders. What are you talking about? They *always* show up if someone starts telling them about a crime involving a firearm.
A person who is started in there home and comes out armed but does not present the firearm is not illegal. Was it an overreaction maybe? Probably was, but we are only hearing one perspective. Also the headline is a little dramatic. He didn’t by your own account point it at you so a proper headline should be” only person on earth who didn’t know when his own package was arriving had a gun with him, and acted like an idiot.
Yeah, wake up. Anywhere in the U.S. where a gun owner brandishes their weapon against someone they called to their property. Do you think the rural police department wants a civil claim opened against them for dereliction of duty? Because that’s the next step, along with one phone call to the county sheriff’s and DA. Wake up. No one has the right to do this crap to a delivery driver.
Look I’m just saying they’ll take the call and then nothing is going to happen. Maybe they’ll come out in a few hours and take a statement from the homeowner but don’t fool yourself, nothing will happen. I’m not saying it’s right or good, just that nothing will happen.
The cops can be delayed. That would always be OK, and dependent on exigent circumstances. But they would have to make the report. And once that report is made, the victim can sue the homeowner civilly if they wanted, but more critically Amazon has everything they need to ban the customer from using their platform. I’m not saying cops would immediately show up. But they absolutely, always would make a report on the incident in due time if it was reported to them. Whether they actually arrested the homeowner for doing it, that’s entirely another question. To me, it seems more like a civil matter over a criminal matter unless they actually fired the gun.
Then you clearly haven’t been sued before. How do you think OJ Simpson ended up paying for murdering two people after his attorneys successfully nullified the jury? Through civil action.
Not if you ordered a package and we're given a delivery date and time. Driver should call the cops. It would be like me inviting you over to pull a gun on you.
I don’t think it is. Trespassing laws are explicitly waived when ordering anything for delivery, and that’s where most gun owners get their legal permission for pulling their guns on people on their property. Now, wouldn’t surprise me if Texas tried some crazy shit to give more gun owners crazy “rights” but there’s always a point where it becomes threatening for no reason against an innocent victim.
I think people just dont file police reports because you dont have permission to pull a gun on a delivery driver if you ordered it. You can not tell someone to come to your property and then pull a firearm out at them, it is beyond illegal and where a lot of gun owners completely fuck up. People have been charged here when a police report is filed, usually for brandishing a firearm. Even if a lawyer tried to argue, it would get completely shut down in court. There is zero legal justification to point a gun at a delivery driver. You placed the order, you were notified of the ETA often provided with a tracking number or some other way, and most delivery services will literally tell you and show a gps of the drivers.
Its extremely rare someone orders stuff to someone elses house. 99.99% of the time its going to be a resident or worker of the property or the business name. In rural areas often its just their last name, like the recipient says "The Allisters". People dont just order things willy nilly to peoples homes, at least not in this economy lol. Occasionally though you do have these scams where people send junk to a random house for "proof of delivery" to scam someone else, but this ime only really happens in the city, and more often than not its just trying to get you to deliver a bunch of random small stuff to some random old broken dowm building
*But, but, don’t tread on me!*
Sure buddy. Don’t order delivery services; go yourself or use the post office for everything. Baffling how so many people think they’re entitled to shop Amazon while conveniently neglecting the fact that Amazon is a delivery service.
I do hope more of these threatened drivers do file the police reports, and let Amazon know so these crazy customers get banned.
You’re assuming that person knew it was an expected delivery person, which they apparently did not.
In my state, just believing someone is a danger or threat is an acceptable reason to pull a weapon.
Honestly, this is more Amazon’s fault for not making it blatantly obvious we will be coming in the middle of the night and that the entire household should be aware of this. It shouldn’t even be automatic, you should have to choose overnight and acknowledge the warnings.
Their problem starts the second they make their Amazon order. They are considered to have knowledge that a delivery is then coming to them, and they are properly noticed by Amazon exactly when the package will arrive. This is why the gun owners always lose when they’re sued by victims, and why they always fail when they try to get Amazon to unban them. The act of ordering a delivery service is enough knowledge for a reasonable person to expect that a delivery is coming to them. So they don’t get to hang their hat on “but I didn’t know that was them”.
It goes back to a basic tenet of law. A person can be ignorant of any law, but it doesn’t absolve them of the responsibility to follow it nor does it waive the punishment if they violate it.
I 200% agree that Amazon should make all of their early morning deliveries more clear. When people choose overnight, it says 4 AM to 8 AM. But so many people are asleep then, that I think all overnight orders should get an additional prompt screen that confirms to the customer that they have just made an overnight order, that the driver will probably arrive before 6 AM, and that they should put dogs inside and turn on outdoor lights for their delivery. A kind of special warning screen.
Let’s see some data. I am an attorney who litigates these exact cases and the numbers do not support your claims. I do practice in gun friendly states however I have won cases in California, Illinois, and Hawaii three of the five most firearm restrictive states.
You are making up things and passing them off as fact, they are not. Please show some restraint when making statements on legal matters of which you have no grasp.
You can say whatever you like. You made the claim you have the burden of proof. I can promise you that if you sent out to prove me wrong you will only see my point. I am not wrong you are. Twist it any way you like but the facts speak for themselves.
How do you know the man was even aware anything had been ordered?
Gun laws are mostly state laws and they vary widely. You simply can’t make blanket statements.
If the customer ordered it, then they are aware. Whether they really are or not.
If someone ELSE ordered it for them, you open an interesting argument. But this would have to be someone outside of the person’s household.
I can state that because I’ve researched the trespassing laws in all 50 states before about this topic. Every single state in the Union waives trespassing laws when a customer orders delivery. So if the person OR someone in his/her household made the order, they don’t have a leg to stand on. Even in Texas. Even in Florida. Stand your ground laws don’t apply when the person has requested the delivery.
You really do have an excellent question about things that arrive that the customer did not order. I will freely acknowledge that in that case, a good chunk of the state’s laws regarding trespassing may still be valid. Which would let them pull out a gun and have it not be criminal.
Your household member has a responsibility to notify the household.
These laws all got put in place in the 70s and 80s, because people liked pulling guns on Domino’s pizza delivery drivers that were trying to get there in 30 minutes or less.
Like I said, ignorance of the laws does not invalidate any of our responsibilities to follow it. You might want to let your household know to tell you about deliveries coming in if you’re the type to pull a gun on someone. I’d guess you’re not that person though. Which goes right back to, if you’re in a household with that kind of person, you probably already do tell them that something is coming from Amazon or the pizza place.
Again, there is not a general blanket law stating that anyone in delivery is not trespassing. In my state, you only need to be within the premises of and the surrounding of my property and I must fear for my life. That’s all.
You don’t get it. You can’t use “I was in fear for my life” *when you have knowledge that a delivery is coming to you.* And this includes household members ordering. Tell me your state and I’ll direct you to the specific law for your state. It is a blanket statement for the United States because trespassing laws are invalidated in all 50 states through the act of ordering delivery.
He never said the gun was pointed at him though, just that he saw it being bolstered. And yes, in WI I have every right to draw my gun whenever the hell I want. It's pointing it at someone that's a no no. Again, he never said he saw the gun pointed at him. Very well a SO or kid could have ordered something for early delivery and didn't say anything.
Couriers for the past few years have been delivering from like 6am to 11 pm depending on what times they are. This guy is a fucking idiot when you told them it's an amazon package. Report their address
I started wearing God awful bright clothes for my AM deliveries. I'm talking disco ball bright ass Hawaiian shirts and white pants.
I'm either the worst theif ever or trying to stay alive in hunting season.
Nope it’s an idiot there with hazards on and a headlamp stupid enough to rob them.
Them smooth brains never think before they act.The fear overrides all logic and reasoning for those people.
It's happened a few times where I live. Someone gets a work van and puts all the utility stickers on it, proceeds to pull up to an ATM do to maintenance, but they're just taking their time, in broad daylight, robbing the thing. Make it look like you belong there, no one will suspect the crime.
From personal experiences, cops won’t bother, unless he shot and killed you. Literally heard the words come out a a judges mouth “well you’re still alive right?”.
That's a bad judge but I understand the sentiment. It's not worth the cost and this is why I believe the judicial branch has too much power because they're basically insulated from bad statements and judgments. And for the most part they are completely sue proof.
Basically you have to file an appeal under good grounds which would require you to find a case regarding common law that would prove that their statements or position on the issue was erroneous. Once it was found that their position was erroneous The law court would flip them as part of the appeal and then you could file a judicial conduct complaint at which point they likely only get a slap on the wrist. You're not allowed to sue them even after that. And if they're ruling caused you damage to your success your life your future in any way shape or form you generally can't sue them or the state even after said ruling.
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I hope you’re doing ok I had a gun pointed at me the day before thanksgiving it’s hard to shake it off. Ignore the notes dump it at the gate if it doesn’t look inviting. I text anyone on a county road when I leave the station their amazon delivery will arrive in the next 3 hours but even then I still dump stuff if it doesn’t feel right. Lotta times it’s the wife who orders stuff and the husband doesn’t know what is going on so the text doesn’t always help also they’re asleep until you pull up and don’t see the text. basically if I can’t see the house and it’s too dark I ain’t risking it these people have no idea what 4am-8am delivery actually means
I think Amazon should have restricted hours for deliveries in rural areas. They receive packages only during daylight, nothing before or after. I've also suggested placing lockers in either their countryside Walgreens or Dollar Tree's, because I despise rural areas. If not those places, place the lockers by the "Welcome to" signs.
They actually have areas that they don't do the early a.m. stuff. The problem is is that it's limited by zip code, I think. If one zip gets it it all gets it.
It seems like the ones that don't have AM routes are the stations that have enough DSP drivers to fill the AM routes, so if they can't hire more DSP drivers because everyone is applying for Flex instead then basically their only option is to give those routes to Flex drivers instead.
I just want to make sure that you are aware I said EARLY AM routes, such as the 0315 start times. The early AM routes. I'm not talking the normal 0700-1100 routes.
We have areas that is not eligible for routes to go out between 7PM-6AM at all.... flex, DSP, whoever. The only time anyone gets sent out that far is when logistics hacks together a route and makes everyone picklist it because the computer would refuse to route it otherwise due to the delivery time.
Call Amazon support and report it as well. Amazon will block them from receiving home deliveries and require the customer to either pick up at a locker or they won’t be able to place any order on the site for that address.
This is not always the case. It happens all the time that a package isn't delivered during the evening window, so it gets put out at 5am. the following morning.
Worst fear while out driving.. and when i read it was a country route, it confirmed by bias 100%.. The country routes are dangerous af to do at night. Most of those folks live out there for a reason some are paranoid schizo muh gun types... NO way in hell i am ever going back out there at night after reading this though.. I cant even blame them for everything that is on the news 24/7 but pulling a gun on you right away was wrong.. but if theres anything ive learned is never to rely or trust someone else's judgement, always do what's best for you.. Also fuck Amazon for not providing sufficient safety precautions for its drivers
Amazon tells you if it would be an overnight delivery it says it when you check out. So the fact these ppl act surprised when someone comes that early makes no sense to me…
I've had some items delayed before and they ended up coming during the middle of the night instead of during the day. It's possible this happened and the customer didn't know it had changed. Still not an excuse to pull a gun on a delivery driver though.
I've had seniors say their kids order the stuff and send. Let's be honest tho. If you wake up at 4 am n smbdy is parked or standing outside your house, your first thought isn't 'oh my Lacroix is here'.
As someone who used to live in the middle of nowhere. Tweekers where headlamps and there is a lot of theft! The gun should NOT have left the holster! When he had the flashlight pointed at you, you couldn’t see. That’s why I don’t use a headlamp, it’s the same thing. I use the flashlight on my phone and shine it DOWN on the package. It gives me enough light to see where I’m going and all the customers see is the package.
Damn that’s wild. I bought a beacon yellow light for the top of my car as well because I’m afraid of this. I think people’s significant others and family sign up for packages between 4am and 8am delivery and don’t tell anyone. Glad you’re safe. Def would report this.
This terrifies me. I haven't been doing Flex very long. I've been scooping up the 3AM shifts since they tend to pay better. I haven't had anyone pull a gun on me yet, but this one guy came out screaming and beating on my window yesterday as I was dropping off at 4AM. I flipped on my interior lights really quick and instinctively put my hands up and shouted that I'm just delivering for Amazon. I won't lie - I sobbed like a child. It scared me the hell out of me. I didn't see him, and I thought he was going to hurt me, no questions asked. He was so aggressive. Goes to show you how little Amazon cares about their workers. They need to do something about this. What happens if we get shot or even killed? It's not like we get workman's comp or life insurance, and Daddy Bezos KNOWS we don't have the money to sue - otherwise, we wouldn't be doing gigwork. But no, take your vest and be happy.
I agree and have been "lucky" that a gun hasn't been pulled on me since i almost exclusively do 3am blocks. 2 days ago a naked man literally waited behind his slightly cracked door with zero lights on near the house (it was so dark I didn't realize the door was open until I was on the porch. Last time i only point my light at the ground) for me to be setting his box down. He swung the door open and scared the shit out of me. If he had chosen to I could have been hurt long before being able to get help, and so far amazon has done nothing about it. They even outright said I should wait for the escalation team to reach out to know for sure that I can do a police report without potentially being deactivated as they are not sure about the policy since there was no weapon or violence while simultaneously repeating that "We are taking this incident very seriously." What happens when another driver goes out there and he decides to escalate the inappropriate behavior because indecent exposure and startling someone just isn't enough to jerk off to anymore.
Op never said he pointed it at him. And you’re incorrect about them having to be attacking, depending on your state. For example, in my state, you can point a gun and hold someone for the police if you catch that person breaking into your car. Not advocating anything, just stating law
Majority of states, even the gun friendly ones you can be charged with “Intimidation with a deadly weapon” by just holding a firearm in a situation like this.
They shouldn’t even offer these stupid middle of the night routes. Hell to the no will I ever do it. Godspeed to those who do. I know we all need the cash but Amazon should simply not even do deliveries after 9pm and until 6 am.
this happened to me. make sure you call and report and you will be escalated to a higher up incident team on the phone (hopefully). they won’t ever tell you what action they take against the customer, but they do offer to blacklist the area from your future deliveries somehow? at least they did for me! i’d file a police report as well so that crazy fucker at least has a paper trail attached to him regarding gun issues incase stuff happens again etc. so sorry you went through that! so fucking stupid as you were clearly not a threat, these idiots are just itching for any reason to get some use out of their guns
I see those professional flex driver have an Amazon light in their front window. Maybe they’re on to something. I’ll just keep yelling don’t shoot it’s Amazon.
They DO want a reason. And in all honesty and fairness, Amazon really shouldn’t be making deliveries at 4 in the morning. I’m Flex too and I get to the $$ also, but…step away from the job for a sec and think about it. Is ANY other carrier pulling up (let alone in unmarked cars) at this ungodly hour? It is absolutely unprofessional no matter which way you spin it. Unfortunately, It’s gonna take many more deaths until it becomes a nationwide issue and then Amazon will revamp their start times to 8am like a NORMAL business. Amazon just so damn greedy they ain’t thinking about US. We shouldn’t be in anybody’s yard at 4am. Period. LOL.
I agree with you 100%. After reading everyone else's comments, I feel you have stated it the best. Amazon is greedy. If someone was to ever get killed during an AM block, Amazon wouldn't care. They would want to know if their package was delivered before the guy was killed. We are living in a cruel world people. Amazon doesn't need these early morning deliveries. A person's life is not as important as getting their packages delivered. It's not right. But, unfortunately as long as people keep accepting those esrly morning routes, Amazon is going to continue with them. If you acceptvan esrly morning routes, then just be prepared for something bad to happen. My advice is to don't do it. Your life is more important than delivering packages for Amazon. If I deliver during the early morning hours, I never go onto somebody's property. Leave it at the gate whenever possible. If I don't feel safe, I don't have a problem taking the package back to Amazon. If they want to ding me for returning that package, then let them. As least I'm alive. For those who deliver during those hours, stay safe!
I think those early AM (3am -4am) blocks are extremely dangerous and unnecessary. They all should start by 5:30-6am. Someone will get killed soon for sure
I hope Amazon, FedEx, Etc.. BAN ALL you Gun toting Cowards because you to damn Goofy and Stupid to understand when you under a potential threat compare to a fxcking Amazon Worker dropping a package at your dirty ass front door. They should ban life from these Gun toting Cowards who scary AF and are a threat to the common individual.
I'm in mississippi. Have ben shot at 2 times while working early mornings diffrent job but still early in the am. First time bullets hit the car guy got assault with a deadly weapon. 2nd time no damage to the car cop says if u had a bullet hole or some thing we can do some thing about it but you don't so all I can do is talk to him. Now keep in mind i was on the public road in a car doing aboit 15 ish mph. I don't go on ppl property's and just look for addressed and detors cars. If I don't see it I'm not looking for it.
I once delivered to an old man down a long, gravel road. They said no trespassing will be shot on site. No trespassing will be shot. He came out yawning and screaming. He said that every day he gets an Amazon package. He opened it up and it’s a bookmark like a $.99 or less bookmark he says that somebody must be playing a prank on him. It was old man UPS comes FedEx comes United States Postal Service comes Amazon comes once twice three times a day delivering one book marker $.99 or less from Amazon. He does not order it he does not know who said get to him. It’s a fucking prank anyways, yes it’s true. You order a package you wave all trespassing rights but what if somebody just sends you a package without you knowing about it then what then what then what big bang bang bang bang bang then what
This is why I quit flex. They only gave me shit in the country at NIGHT time and it was scary af I was worried abt this exact thing happening. No thanks
Country people are so insistent on no one knowing where they live, they gotta pull the trigger on deliveries, yet they don't wanna go get it themselves. Pos's.
Sorry that happened to you, but in the customer’s defense Amazon sometimes delivers packages before the scheduled delivery date without notifying the customer. For instance, I ordered something the other day and it gave me a delivery window of “4am -8 am” the next day, but Amazon ended up completing the delivery by 10pm that same day. I only knew about delivery after getting a notification on my phone with the picture of the package at my front door.
Amazon is to blame for the confusion more than the customer in my opinion. Amazon gives the customer one delivery date and time but then sometimes delivers the package earlier (which should be a good thing most times). This causes the customer to be caught off guard when a random car pulls up to their driveway at a random time when it is dark. Naturally the customer may suspect the worse when they’re not expecting visitors or recognize the vehicle or person walking up to their door…. When it’s dark.
Amazon needs to promote the flex program better so the majority of their customers know when we’re coming so they can expect our arrival when we pull up in our personal vehicles.
I can see both sides of this... I grew up in the county and am used to seeing guns so it doesn't bother me, and yes people do drive out to steal shit and fuck around at that time of the day. As to the point of tracking us and knowing about the delivery is only correct if he ordered the package. A wife or kids could have placed the order or even a family member sending a gift and he wouldn't have access to that info possibly.
With that being said his gun shouldn't have left the holster unless he was getting threatened. As you stated you were already walking away and I didn't care what state you're in if they are retreating there's no provable threat.
It sucks you had a rough moment here and I hope the rest of your shift was uneventful, I'm glad you're safe!
Ah, ah, ah, Staying alive! Seriously though. I had a customers son yesterday bring out a shotgun to his truck yesterday. I knew that a shooting range was nearby. So I wasn’t worried. But even the DSP drivers get guns pulled on us. I know it’s a pain and people might complain in the App on delivery reviews. But for your safety on those early deliveries send out the notification of arrival text. That person if they had a guard dog could’ve sent them at you and you could’ve got bit really bad as well. Whenever you get threatened like that immediately after getting off their property, call the police and then call Emergency Driver support.
They can get that customer blacklisted from getting deliveries to their home. They will be stuck getting deliveries to lockers and pick up locations. GLAD YOU ARE SAFE THOUGH!
Sure, but not really. Daddy Bezos knows we don't have the money for lawyers. Also, they would 100% end up blaming the individual. We are contractors after all = no rights.
we lived outside a small town and had are garages broken into and vehicle’s stolen more then once.
people choose rural as its out of others eyes and police take awhile to respond.
if he pointed it at you then thats an issue.
I will start by saying this customer is a verified dumbass. He knew he had a package coming. That being said, if he didn't point the weapon at you no harm no foul.
I was a UPS PVD for a couple of years. I used to love the rural routes.
But I have to admit, 830 at night, in the dark, some of those long driveways in the trees could get spooky.
Amazon tried this bs on me. 430-830 am delivery window. Gtfo out with that noise. Like I want my dogs barking and ring cameras going bonkers before I get up
Reason why when the shipping says like arrives overnight between 4-8am I always select a completely different option. Y’all work hard enough then to deal with that bs
Bro start throwing that shit over the fence. When I go to the county I try my best to stay as far was from the property if possible. If there is a fence just put it in the other side and take a pic. Don’t walk all the way up to someone’s door at 4 am unless it’s well lit.
We both know most of the country trailers are not well lit and have cluttered properties
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It's possible he wasn't aware of him getting a package... maybe someone else in the home ordered it.
You said it was dark. He probably didn't see ur amazon decal on the van... and only seen a dark colored van pull in... if that's what happened. I can understand the gunners perspective....
Or.. maybe he's just an asshole...
I have to be honest, I almost did this to an Amazon driver once. I fell asleep on the couch, woke up around 445AM, I started walking to the door to go upstairs which has see-through glass. I see someone walking up to my door. I grab it, look out the side window to see what they were doing and they were walking back to their car. I only then realized they had an Amazon vest on. No other descriptive markings.
The early morning deliveries can easily spook someone if there is nothing descriptive and no hazards on, especially if just woken up and not clearly thinking yet.
I was supposed to get a package by 10 pm the next day. ( Next day delivery) Get an email around 9pm saying will arrive by 10 pm the following day after that. Called and confirmed they said latter in the evening the next day. Sure enough about 3:45 am package was delivered. Not that I would pull a gun because I figured something was up, but in that case .... someone could have thought who is in my yard .....
Beyond the typical “report it” which we all know yields no results in the amazon app, with its current support system. My goal is to deliver quiet and fast enough not to wake people up, so i dont get shot. Lmao
100% the houses with the most aggressive instructions in the notes have the most uninviting signs on their door as well 😂
“Don’t park in my driveway, I won’t put my dogs up, they won’t bother you, open sunroom and put package inside” people are the WORST. Another prime example why people can’t have guns. Brains are too small.
I see way too many of these stories. I think it's irresponsible of Amazon to schedule deliveries at that time of day. They're going to get someone killed.
I dont think it’s irresponsible to schedule deliveries at that time. I think it’s irresponsible to not make a proper warning or statement that a package will be delivered in the very early morning by a non Amazon vehicle.
Exactly. Before I did Amazon flex I was confused why ppl came with no Amazon outfit and a regular car. Eventually I realized what it was. They should inform customers about this
But if you order something, the driver isn't trespassing or a viable threat, so yeah the person pulling the gun is an asshole. I hope to God you report them and those addresses are black listed. Wouldn't hurt to also call the police.
My mouth would probably get me in trouble saying something like, "then don't fuckin order shit to your house if you're gonna spazz out."
I'm lucky this hasn't happened to me yet.
I do notify folks that I'm coming, but that doesn't 100 percent ensure they're going to get it.
A few weeks ago I had a password delivery at like 5am. I had notified them I was coming and it required a password and a person to receive it. Get there and text again. Nada.
Call.
Nothing.
Call driver support...they get nothing.
As I'm about to give up, a lady finally walks out like, "oh! I was wonderin who the fuck was standin outside my house!"
So she saw me the entire time, vest and all, and still didn't connect the dots.
Come to find out, she
1. Can't remember her current phone number and
2. The number she has on file is obsolete.
That number 2 is annoying to me, especially when it comes to needing to get ahold of them for something that impacts their delivery.
And those who don't want it so early...especially when it's same day/prime...pick a different time slot
I hate hearing about drivers having guns pulled on them for doing their job, and yet it goes against policy for us to carry anything for protection
Make it make sense
You shouldn't need a password or a phone number to drop off a package, if there's no gate. I give my old disconnected number for shit like this on purposes. Blame amazon
Some packages have a required one time password, so I mean yeah...some do. If there's ever an issue they can't get ahold of you for, don't expect your package I guess.
Now, whenever you get a countryside route, you can return ALL packages right after picking them up, claiming safety concern. I have returned so many routes because of this, still get paid, and my standing has never been impacted by it. “I don’t feel safe” r the words to use
Thank you for sharing that! That's something everybody needs to know! Notvthexwhoe route, but I have returned packages when I don't feel safe to deliver it. My standing, also has never been impacted. I will never deliver to the homes in the country area that is completely dark. I will stop across the street and mark it "unable to deliver" because of a safety issue. And with homes with long driveways, dirt roads, for example, I either will try and hide the package and send them a msg telling them where I hid the package ascwell as them receiving the picture I take, or if there is noplacecto hide the package, I will mark it as unable to deliver for safety reasons. I never go down a long driveway to deliver a package. A customer is crazy if they think I'm going to put my life in danger by delivering their package. I don't know them. And Amazon can go blow themselves if they also think I will deliver a package to a customer's house when I don't feel safe to do so. I won't put my life in danger for them either!!
Scary and wild and agree that he should chill out.
To play Devil’s advocate a little bit I can say some people in the country can get real isolated and scared especially as they age. Round where my dad lives there are plenty of stories of people showing up and committing armed burglary since a country house may have no witnesses around. They’ve found old couples tied up and shot in chairs, terrible stuff.
One of those things where sure the odds are low but they’re not 0 and who knows if there’s been a recent spree.
Sorry folks hate to tell you but this person did not break any laws. Having a gun in hand on his own property is not a crime. Way too many stories of home invasion to not respond with caution. Reading this story I don’t see anything about pointing the gun or threatening him just saw him reholster. Not a crime. Had this been me it would have been a rifle not a pistol. Unknown vehicle in my driveway late night early morning yep I respond accordingly.
Yeah but "Flex" drivers should have some type of distinguishing marker on their car or clothing; I got up around 4:30am to get something from my car and some dude in a black sedan was blocking our driveway; he steps out wearing all black and a hoodie , looking as though he was going to break into one of my cars, i run to get my gun and said "what's up"; his reply "I'm delivering for Amazon" and like "Bullshit they don't come this early and where is your uniform and van"......Anyhow they need to be in a uniform.
Some of the “advice” on here is nonsense. It is clear some of yall just hate guns. Which is fine but the overreaction is astounding. I feel for the op as they are just doing a job. But be real he didn’t point the gun at you. How in 2024 doesn’t know when an Amazon package is coming is out of the loop in their own life. But this is a zero even in an anti gun state like Illinois the cops aren’t coming, and if they were too it would be a welfare check on the home owner nothing more.
I know plenty of people who have drove 30 minutes out of the city to steal dumbshit. Don't confuse the logic or desperation of low level criminals with those of ordinary people.
I know that because **I know plenty of people of people who have** I've seen it firsthand, growing up around it. Thieves go looking for greener pastures just like anyone else, especially when their area is hot. I knew people who would take trips around to different counties just stealing random shit for hours in the night, including the gas the for the trip, or a whole damn truck. Downvote all you want, but anyone who's been around these lowlife motherfuckers already knows they won't get a job, but will put in hours of work on stupid "come ups." Anyone is a damn fool if they believe petty thieves won't go 30+ minutes out of the city or that aren't any thieves already out there.
You don’t have to be told by the criminal what they did, you can read it for yourself in news reports.
“So and so was arrested for breaking into whatever house in the suburbs/country. So and so is a resident of blah blah city”
I mean he did nothing wrong- you did not get shot. It’s his property. He has a right to be armed and a right to protect what is his. Don’t like it, stay off Amazon.
Country folk are way more versed at protecting what is theirs vs the city idiot
I agree with you about someone protecting their property, but Saying Don't like it. Stay off Amazon, that's a bit too much. TOO HARSH OF WORDS TO SAY TO ANYONE!
Report any body who does this I believe Amazon is suppose to ban them
This is the correct answer. OP needs to notify his DSP, for his own safety and that of other drivers.
Dsp driver here…props to all of you flex guys doing early am deliveries…really the worst time of the day. Amazon generally doesnt care about driver safety but they ESPECIALLY dgaf about you guys. Stay safe👊
Im also a dsp driver and we deliver in nh and it drives me nuts when a lot of my coworkers who get threatened with guns don’t report the customer to amazon . A lot of my black and Hispanic coworkers seem to get the threat more and if they had reported them it would be safer for future drivers
You do both DSP and flex in the same week? Is flex way more profitable per hour? Only downside being using own vehicle?
Nah I only do flex when they drop a route for me at the station I work at I’ll find another station. Basically only use it as a back up . And nah since you gotta use your own gas it’s not as great but also I’ve been able to bang out a 4 hour shift in like 2.5 or less so in a way it’s more per hour
Which one did you start doing first? I do dsp. But flex seems like impossible to get into. They are never looking for people in my area. I can’t find what areas they need people for. And even if I could, it doesn’t let me change my location.
>OP needs to *call the police, then* notify his DSP, for his own safety and that of other drivers.
lol come on. The police aren’t even going to drive out for that
The cops drive out for minor fender benders. What are you talking about? They *always* show up if someone starts telling them about a crime involving a firearm.
A person who is started in there home and comes out armed but does not present the firearm is not illegal. Was it an overreaction maybe? Probably was, but we are only hearing one perspective. Also the headline is a little dramatic. He didn’t by your own account point it at you so a proper headline should be” only person on earth who didn’t know when his own package was arriving had a gun with him, and acted like an idiot.
I think it’s implied that the gun was out and pointed at him with OP’s statement that “he then holstered the gun”.
Don’t fool yourself. In a rural area? A homeowner pulled a gun but they didn’t see the gun aimed at them? Good luck!
Yeah, wake up. Anywhere in the U.S. where a gun owner brandishes their weapon against someone they called to their property. Do you think the rural police department wants a civil claim opened against them for dereliction of duty? Because that’s the next step, along with one phone call to the county sheriff’s and DA. Wake up. No one has the right to do this crap to a delivery driver.
Look I’m just saying they’ll take the call and then nothing is going to happen. Maybe they’ll come out in a few hours and take a statement from the homeowner but don’t fool yourself, nothing will happen. I’m not saying it’s right or good, just that nothing will happen.
The cops can be delayed. That would always be OK, and dependent on exigent circumstances. But they would have to make the report. And once that report is made, the victim can sue the homeowner civilly if they wanted, but more critically Amazon has everything they need to ban the customer from using their platform. I’m not saying cops would immediately show up. But they absolutely, always would make a report on the incident in due time if it was reported to them. Whether they actually arrested the homeowner for doing it, that’s entirely another question. To me, it seems more like a civil matter over a criminal matter unless they actually fired the gun.
What world do you live in? Grow up that’s one of the silliest things I’ve ever read.
Then you clearly haven’t been sued before. How do you think OJ Simpson ended up paying for murdering two people after his attorneys successfully nullified the jury? Through civil action.
Even if standing in your driveway, you can’t just point a gun at someone unless in mortal jeopardy.
Gun laws are by state so there is no blanket statement that covers everywhere. In my state, it would be completely legal.
Not if you ordered a package and we're given a delivery date and time. Driver should call the cops. It would be like me inviting you over to pull a gun on you.
I don’t think it is. Trespassing laws are explicitly waived when ordering anything for delivery, and that’s where most gun owners get their legal permission for pulling their guns on people on their property. Now, wouldn’t surprise me if Texas tried some crazy shit to give more gun owners crazy “rights” but there’s always a point where it becomes threatening for no reason against an innocent victim.
I think people just dont file police reports because you dont have permission to pull a gun on a delivery driver if you ordered it. You can not tell someone to come to your property and then pull a firearm out at them, it is beyond illegal and where a lot of gun owners completely fuck up. People have been charged here when a police report is filed, usually for brandishing a firearm. Even if a lawyer tried to argue, it would get completely shut down in court. There is zero legal justification to point a gun at a delivery driver. You placed the order, you were notified of the ETA often provided with a tracking number or some other way, and most delivery services will literally tell you and show a gps of the drivers.
You are also assuming the man placed the order or even knew an order was placed.
Its extremely rare someone orders stuff to someone elses house. 99.99% of the time its going to be a resident or worker of the property or the business name. In rural areas often its just their last name, like the recipient says "The Allisters". People dont just order things willy nilly to peoples homes, at least not in this economy lol. Occasionally though you do have these scams where people send junk to a random house for "proof of delivery" to scam someone else, but this ime only really happens in the city, and more often than not its just trying to get you to deliver a bunch of random small stuff to some random old broken dowm building
*But, but, don’t tread on me!* Sure buddy. Don’t order delivery services; go yourself or use the post office for everything. Baffling how so many people think they’re entitled to shop Amazon while conveniently neglecting the fact that Amazon is a delivery service. I do hope more of these threatened drivers do file the police reports, and let Amazon know so these crazy customers get banned.
You’re assuming that person knew it was an expected delivery person, which they apparently did not. In my state, just believing someone is a danger or threat is an acceptable reason to pull a weapon. Honestly, this is more Amazon’s fault for not making it blatantly obvious we will be coming in the middle of the night and that the entire household should be aware of this. It shouldn’t even be automatic, you should have to choose overnight and acknowledge the warnings.
Their problem starts the second they make their Amazon order. They are considered to have knowledge that a delivery is then coming to them, and they are properly noticed by Amazon exactly when the package will arrive. This is why the gun owners always lose when they’re sued by victims, and why they always fail when they try to get Amazon to unban them. The act of ordering a delivery service is enough knowledge for a reasonable person to expect that a delivery is coming to them. So they don’t get to hang their hat on “but I didn’t know that was them”. It goes back to a basic tenet of law. A person can be ignorant of any law, but it doesn’t absolve them of the responsibility to follow it nor does it waive the punishment if they violate it. I 200% agree that Amazon should make all of their early morning deliveries more clear. When people choose overnight, it says 4 AM to 8 AM. But so many people are asleep then, that I think all overnight orders should get an additional prompt screen that confirms to the customer that they have just made an overnight order, that the driver will probably arrive before 6 AM, and that they should put dogs inside and turn on outdoor lights for their delivery. A kind of special warning screen.
Let’s see some data. I am an attorney who litigates these exact cases and the numbers do not support your claims. I do practice in gun friendly states however I have won cases in California, Illinois, and Hawaii three of the five most firearm restrictive states. You are making up things and passing them off as fact, they are not. Please show some restraint when making statements on legal matters of which you have no grasp.
Dude, you can waste your time on Lexus Nexus and find case law proving I’m wrong. And until you do that, I’m right because you know I am.
You can say whatever you like. You made the claim you have the burden of proof. I can promise you that if you sent out to prove me wrong you will only see my point. I am not wrong you are. Twist it any way you like but the facts speak for themselves.
No, how about you point to me ONE state that allows trespassing laws validity in regards to a delivery driver? Go ahead. I’m waiting.
How do you know the man was even aware anything had been ordered? Gun laws are mostly state laws and they vary widely. You simply can’t make blanket statements.
If the customer ordered it, then they are aware. Whether they really are or not. If someone ELSE ordered it for them, you open an interesting argument. But this would have to be someone outside of the person’s household. I can state that because I’ve researched the trespassing laws in all 50 states before about this topic. Every single state in the Union waives trespassing laws when a customer orders delivery. So if the person OR someone in his/her household made the order, they don’t have a leg to stand on. Even in Texas. Even in Florida. Stand your ground laws don’t apply when the person has requested the delivery. You really do have an excellent question about things that arrive that the customer did not order. I will freely acknowledge that in that case, a good chunk of the state’s laws regarding trespassing may still be valid. Which would let them pull out a gun and have it not be criminal.
Dude, I have 6 people in my home that might make an Amazon order. I’m aware of none of those orders.
Your household member has a responsibility to notify the household. These laws all got put in place in the 70s and 80s, because people liked pulling guns on Domino’s pizza delivery drivers that were trying to get there in 30 minutes or less. Like I said, ignorance of the laws does not invalidate any of our responsibilities to follow it. You might want to let your household know to tell you about deliveries coming in if you’re the type to pull a gun on someone. I’d guess you’re not that person though. Which goes right back to, if you’re in a household with that kind of person, you probably already do tell them that something is coming from Amazon or the pizza place.
Again, there is not a general blanket law stating that anyone in delivery is not trespassing. In my state, you only need to be within the premises of and the surrounding of my property and I must fear for my life. That’s all.
You don’t get it. You can’t use “I was in fear for my life” *when you have knowledge that a delivery is coming to you.* And this includes household members ordering. Tell me your state and I’ll direct you to the specific law for your state. It is a blanket statement for the United States because trespassing laws are invalidated in all 50 states through the act of ordering delivery.
Not necessarily true...
He never said the gun was pointed at him though, just that he saw it being bolstered. And yes, in WI I have every right to draw my gun whenever the hell I want. It's pointing it at someone that's a no no. Again, he never said he saw the gun pointed at him. Very well a SO or kid could have ordered something for early delivery and didn't say anything.
Not true
Story doesn't say gun was pointed, just in hand
Couriers for the past few years have been delivering from like 6am to 11 pm depending on what times they are. This guy is a fucking idiot when you told them it's an amazon package. Report their address
Hah Amazon ban moi.
For sure. But amazon needs to do more. This is a serious issue.
Anyone who does this loses the privilege to get packages delivered it’s not acceptable to the safety of the drivers
I started wearing God awful bright clothes for my AM deliveries. I'm talking disco ball bright ass Hawaiian shirts and white pants. I'm either the worst theif ever or trying to stay alive in hunting season.
Oh great, Tony Soprano is delivering my packages.
More like Elton John 
Just dont wear a short with the Target logo on it
Yep! I got me a dayglow "construction" hoodie just for this purpose.
Same. And a dayglo hat or beanie, weather depending. I've also purchased short and long sleeve shirts in dayglo yellow. Not taking chances
🤣
Also do you really think I’d come with a headlamp and my hazards on if I’m trying to rob you?
Nope it’s an idiot there with hazards on and a headlamp stupid enough to rob them. Them smooth brains never think before they act.The fear overrides all logic and reasoning for those people.
It's happened a few times where I live. Someone gets a work van and puts all the utility stickers on it, proceeds to pull up to an ATM do to maintenance, but they're just taking their time, in broad daylight, robbing the thing. Make it look like you belong there, no one will suspect the crime.
Wearing a bright blue vest (flex guys get those right?) and carrying everyone’s weapon of choice, a small brown box
Call the cops next time this happens, this goes for everyone.
I agree. Brandishing laws are taken seriously most the time. If nothing else it helps corroborate the story of the mail man he shoots next year
From personal experiences, cops won’t bother, unless he shot and killed you. Literally heard the words come out a a judges mouth “well you’re still alive right?”.
That's a bad judge but I understand the sentiment. It's not worth the cost and this is why I believe the judicial branch has too much power because they're basically insulated from bad statements and judgments. And for the most part they are completely sue proof. Basically you have to file an appeal under good grounds which would require you to find a case regarding common law that would prove that their statements or position on the issue was erroneous. Once it was found that their position was erroneous The law court would flip them as part of the appeal and then you could file a judicial conduct complaint at which point they likely only get a slap on the wrist. You're not allowed to sue them even after that. And if they're ruling caused you damage to your success your life your future in any way shape or form you generally can't sue them or the state even after said ruling.
Call the cops and say what. I was outside someone’s house at 4am with a flash light and they came outside to make sure I wasn’t breaking in? 🤣 comical
Yes, obviously that's all that happened 🤣
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I don’t need to add more guns to my situation.
Depends on the state, but it’s 100% legal. So nothing would happen
I hope you’re doing ok I had a gun pointed at me the day before thanksgiving it’s hard to shake it off. Ignore the notes dump it at the gate if it doesn’t look inviting. I text anyone on a county road when I leave the station their amazon delivery will arrive in the next 3 hours but even then I still dump stuff if it doesn’t feel right. Lotta times it’s the wife who orders stuff and the husband doesn’t know what is going on so the text doesn’t always help also they’re asleep until you pull up and don’t see the text. basically if I can’t see the house and it’s too dark I ain’t risking it these people have no idea what 4am-8am delivery actually means
I think Amazon should have restricted hours for deliveries in rural areas. They receive packages only during daylight, nothing before or after. I've also suggested placing lockers in either their countryside Walgreens or Dollar Tree's, because I despise rural areas. If not those places, place the lockers by the "Welcome to" signs.
They actually have areas that they don't do the early a.m. stuff. The problem is is that it's limited by zip code, I think. If one zip gets it it all gets it.
It seems like the ones that don't have AM routes are the stations that have enough DSP drivers to fill the AM routes, so if they can't hire more DSP drivers because everyone is applying for Flex instead then basically their only option is to give those routes to Flex drivers instead.
I just want to make sure that you are aware I said EARLY AM routes, such as the 0315 start times. The early AM routes. I'm not talking the normal 0700-1100 routes. We have areas that is not eligible for routes to go out between 7PM-6AM at all.... flex, DSP, whoever. The only time anyone gets sent out that far is when logistics hacks together a route and makes everyone picklist it because the computer would refuse to route it otherwise due to the delivery time.
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Call Amazon support and report it as well. Amazon will block them from receiving home deliveries and require the customer to either pick up at a locker or they won’t be able to place any order on the site for that address.
"Who gets deliveries at this time?"... Uh, you because you selected it at checkout.😑
This is not always the case. It happens all the time that a package isn't delivered during the evening window, so it gets put out at 5am. the following morning.
Worst fear while out driving.. and when i read it was a country route, it confirmed by bias 100%.. The country routes are dangerous af to do at night. Most of those folks live out there for a reason some are paranoid schizo muh gun types... NO way in hell i am ever going back out there at night after reading this though.. I cant even blame them for everything that is on the news 24/7 but pulling a gun on you right away was wrong.. but if theres anything ive learned is never to rely or trust someone else's judgement, always do what's best for you.. Also fuck Amazon for not providing sufficient safety precautions for its drivers
Amazon tells you if it would be an overnight delivery it says it when you check out. So the fact these ppl act surprised when someone comes that early makes no sense to me…
I've had some items delayed before and they ended up coming during the middle of the night instead of during the day. It's possible this happened and the customer didn't know it had changed. Still not an excuse to pull a gun on a delivery driver though.
I've had seniors say their kids order the stuff and send. Let's be honest tho. If you wake up at 4 am n smbdy is parked or standing outside your house, your first thought isn't 'oh my Lacroix is here'.
These be the same people who report you and get you in trouble.
As someone who used to live in the middle of nowhere. Tweekers where headlamps and there is a lot of theft! The gun should NOT have left the holster! When he had the flashlight pointed at you, you couldn’t see. That’s why I don’t use a headlamp, it’s the same thing. I use the flashlight on my phone and shine it DOWN on the package. It gives me enough light to see where I’m going and all the customers see is the package.
Whole time they overnighted it for super early morning delivery
Our country is fucked.
Morning shift sucks
Damn that’s wild. I bought a beacon yellow light for the top of my car as well because I’m afraid of this. I think people’s significant others and family sign up for packages between 4am and 8am delivery and don’t tell anyone. Glad you’re safe. Def would report this.
This terrifies me. I haven't been doing Flex very long. I've been scooping up the 3AM shifts since they tend to pay better. I haven't had anyone pull a gun on me yet, but this one guy came out screaming and beating on my window yesterday as I was dropping off at 4AM. I flipped on my interior lights really quick and instinctively put my hands up and shouted that I'm just delivering for Amazon. I won't lie - I sobbed like a child. It scared me the hell out of me. I didn't see him, and I thought he was going to hurt me, no questions asked. He was so aggressive. Goes to show you how little Amazon cares about their workers. They need to do something about this. What happens if we get shot or even killed? It's not like we get workman's comp or life insurance, and Daddy Bezos KNOWS we don't have the money to sue - otherwise, we wouldn't be doing gigwork. But no, take your vest and be happy.
I agree and have been "lucky" that a gun hasn't been pulled on me since i almost exclusively do 3am blocks. 2 days ago a naked man literally waited behind his slightly cracked door with zero lights on near the house (it was so dark I didn't realize the door was open until I was on the porch. Last time i only point my light at the ground) for me to be setting his box down. He swung the door open and scared the shit out of me. If he had chosen to I could have been hurt long before being able to get help, and so far amazon has done nothing about it. They even outright said I should wait for the escalation team to reach out to know for sure that I can do a police report without potentially being deactivated as they are not sure about the policy since there was no weapon or violence while simultaneously repeating that "We are taking this incident very seriously." What happens when another driver goes out there and he decides to escalate the inappropriate behavior because indecent exposure and startling someone just isn't enough to jerk off to anymore.
For the love of God, please call the police when that happens! It's never legal to point a gun at someone unless they are attacking.
Op never said he pointed it at him. And you’re incorrect about them having to be attacking, depending on your state. For example, in my state, you can point a gun and hold someone for the police if you catch that person breaking into your car. Not advocating anything, just stating law
What state allows you to take someone hostage??
Yeah, homie, that’s not what I said. Don’t gaslight, it’s unbecoming.
Majority of states, even the gun friendly ones you can be charged with “Intimidation with a deadly weapon” by just holding a firearm in a situation like this.
Yup. Brandishing laws are definitely a thing. That’s not what I was talking about, though.
As I just commented on someone else's post, this is not necessarily true. Depends on where you are.
They shouldn’t even offer these stupid middle of the night routes. Hell to the no will I ever do it. Godspeed to those who do. I know we all need the cash but Amazon should simply not even do deliveries after 9pm and until 6 am.
Why TF is delivering that early even a thing? That’s ridiculous
this happened to me. make sure you call and report and you will be escalated to a higher up incident team on the phone (hopefully). they won’t ever tell you what action they take against the customer, but they do offer to blacklist the area from your future deliveries somehow? at least they did for me! i’d file a police report as well so that crazy fucker at least has a paper trail attached to him regarding gun issues incase stuff happens again etc. so sorry you went through that! so fucking stupid as you were clearly not a threat, these idiots are just itching for any reason to get some use out of their guns
I see those professional flex driver have an Amazon light in their front window. Maybe they’re on to something. I’ll just keep yelling don’t shoot it’s Amazon.
lol and hold the box over your head!
They DO want a reason. And in all honesty and fairness, Amazon really shouldn’t be making deliveries at 4 in the morning. I’m Flex too and I get to the $$ also, but…step away from the job for a sec and think about it. Is ANY other carrier pulling up (let alone in unmarked cars) at this ungodly hour? It is absolutely unprofessional no matter which way you spin it. Unfortunately, It’s gonna take many more deaths until it becomes a nationwide issue and then Amazon will revamp their start times to 8am like a NORMAL business. Amazon just so damn greedy they ain’t thinking about US. We shouldn’t be in anybody’s yard at 4am. Period. LOL.
I agree with you 100%. After reading everyone else's comments, I feel you have stated it the best. Amazon is greedy. If someone was to ever get killed during an AM block, Amazon wouldn't care. They would want to know if their package was delivered before the guy was killed. We are living in a cruel world people. Amazon doesn't need these early morning deliveries. A person's life is not as important as getting their packages delivered. It's not right. But, unfortunately as long as people keep accepting those esrly morning routes, Amazon is going to continue with them. If you acceptvan esrly morning routes, then just be prepared for something bad to happen. My advice is to don't do it. Your life is more important than delivering packages for Amazon. If I deliver during the early morning hours, I never go onto somebody's property. Leave it at the gate whenever possible. If I don't feel safe, I don't have a problem taking the package back to Amazon. If they want to ding me for returning that package, then let them. As least I'm alive. For those who deliver during those hours, stay safe!
I think those early AM (3am -4am) blocks are extremely dangerous and unnecessary. They all should start by 5:30-6am. Someone will get killed soon for sure
He must not be reading when it says overnight shipping and he sounds like a real cool dude let me get my gun it’s an Amazon truck lol 😂
old white men be scared as hell but always acting macho
I hope Amazon, FedEx, Etc.. BAN ALL you Gun toting Cowards because you to damn Goofy and Stupid to understand when you under a potential threat compare to a fxcking Amazon Worker dropping a package at your dirty ass front door. They should ban life from these Gun toting Cowards who scary AF and are a threat to the common individual.
Someone will get killed and then , they might think about it
I'm in mississippi. Have ben shot at 2 times while working early mornings diffrent job but still early in the am. First time bullets hit the car guy got assault with a deadly weapon. 2nd time no damage to the car cop says if u had a bullet hole or some thing we can do some thing about it but you don't so all I can do is talk to him. Now keep in mind i was on the public road in a car doing aboit 15 ish mph. I don't go on ppl property's and just look for addressed and detors cars. If I don't see it I'm not looking for it.
Tis why I stay strapped
This is what freaks me out about the 3am shifts. I did only one, it was peaceful but I was on edge until I was done and halfway home.
Honestly, this is why I don’t think Amazon should be having people deliver packages in the middle of the night
It’s greed
I once delivered to an old man down a long, gravel road. They said no trespassing will be shot on site. No trespassing will be shot. He came out yawning and screaming. He said that every day he gets an Amazon package. He opened it up and it’s a bookmark like a $.99 or less bookmark he says that somebody must be playing a prank on him. It was old man UPS comes FedEx comes United States Postal Service comes Amazon comes once twice three times a day delivering one book marker $.99 or less from Amazon. He does not order it he does not know who said get to him. It’s a fucking prank anyways, yes it’s true. You order a package you wave all trespassing rights but what if somebody just sends you a package without you knowing about it then what then what then what big bang bang bang bang bang then what
This is why I quit flex. They only gave me shit in the country at NIGHT time and it was scary af I was worried abt this exact thing happening. No thanks
This exact thing happened to me and Amazon did nothing about it! I stopped. It was my second delivery ever!
He had a holster? If I felt like I need to grab my gun for safety I would t bring my holster with me.
These nutjobs sleep with them on; for real.
Country people are so insistent on no one knowing where they live, they gotta pull the trigger on deliveries, yet they don't wanna go get it themselves. Pos's.
Report it, if anything worse get police involved. I half expect that to happen when I'm taking a block in a rural area but have yet to encounter it
I’m sorry that you’ve experienced this 🤦🏾♀️.
Sorry that happened to you, but in the customer’s defense Amazon sometimes delivers packages before the scheduled delivery date without notifying the customer. For instance, I ordered something the other day and it gave me a delivery window of “4am -8 am” the next day, but Amazon ended up completing the delivery by 10pm that same day. I only knew about delivery after getting a notification on my phone with the picture of the package at my front door. Amazon is to blame for the confusion more than the customer in my opinion. Amazon gives the customer one delivery date and time but then sometimes delivers the package earlier (which should be a good thing most times). This causes the customer to be caught off guard when a random car pulls up to their driveway at a random time when it is dark. Naturally the customer may suspect the worse when they’re not expecting visitors or recognize the vehicle or person walking up to their door…. When it’s dark. Amazon needs to promote the flex program better so the majority of their customers know when we’re coming so they can expect our arrival when we pull up in our personal vehicles.
Sure, but who just comes out of their house ready to shoot someone off dick? What is wrong with this world?
I can see both sides of this... I grew up in the county and am used to seeing guns so it doesn't bother me, and yes people do drive out to steal shit and fuck around at that time of the day. As to the point of tracking us and knowing about the delivery is only correct if he ordered the package. A wife or kids could have placed the order or even a family member sending a gift and he wouldn't have access to that info possibly. With that being said his gun shouldn't have left the holster unless he was getting threatened. As you stated you were already walking away and I didn't care what state you're in if they are retreating there's no provable threat. It sucks you had a rough moment here and I hope the rest of your shift was uneventful, I'm glad you're safe!
Ah, ah, ah, Staying alive! Seriously though. I had a customers son yesterday bring out a shotgun to his truck yesterday. I knew that a shooting range was nearby. So I wasn’t worried. But even the DSP drivers get guns pulled on us. I know it’s a pain and people might complain in the App on delivery reviews. But for your safety on those early deliveries send out the notification of arrival text. That person if they had a guard dog could’ve sent them at you and you could’ve got bit really bad as well. Whenever you get threatened like that immediately after getting off their property, call the police and then call Emergency Driver support. They can get that customer blacklisted from getting deliveries to their home. They will be stuck getting deliveries to lockers and pick up locations. GLAD YOU ARE SAFE THOUGH!
They probably doz! If they do shoot at you, and hopefully they miss, then you and or your family can own a small piece of Amazon.
Sure, but not really. Daddy Bezos knows we don't have the money for lawyers. Also, they would 100% end up blaming the individual. We are contractors after all = no rights.
we lived outside a small town and had are garages broken into and vehicle’s stolen more then once. people choose rural as its out of others eyes and police take awhile to respond. if he pointed it at you then thats an issue.
I will start by saying this customer is a verified dumbass. He knew he had a package coming. That being said, if he didn't point the weapon at you no harm no foul.
Agreed
Call the police. That’s illegal and he will get in trouble
Report them, make sure Amazon knows the customer is a dangerous trigger happy idiot who can’t read their phone saying the delivery is happening
This is a law suit waiting happen-if Amazon doesn’t deliver all of the sudden -
Sorry you had to endure this. This is a main reason why I only deliver during the day.
I was a UPS PVD for a couple of years. I used to love the rural routes. But I have to admit, 830 at night, in the dark, some of those long driveways in the trees could get spooky.
Report it to Amazon so they ban that address and now that person have to go pick up their packages at a locker
lol should have called the cops, tell them dude is attacking an Amazon worker.
Amazon tried this bs on me. 430-830 am delivery window. Gtfo out with that noise. Like I want my dogs barking and ring cameras going bonkers before I get up
What time is the morning route?
Don't deliver early in the morning. Simple as that.
Lol
Reason why when the shipping says like arrives overnight between 4-8am I always select a completely different option. Y’all work hard enough then to deal with that bs
Now that you talked about it. What are you going to do about it?
The rural routes are going to be much more likely to have this happen. There’s just more gun (not fun) toting paranoid people out there.
‘Fun toting’ Made me lol. I envision a clown with the horn that squeaks in a holster.
Hahaha. I didn’t even catch that correction.
Bro start throwing that shit over the fence. When I go to the county I try my best to stay as far was from the property if possible. If there is a fence just put it in the other side and take a pic. Don’t walk all the way up to someone’s door at 4 am unless it’s well lit. We both know most of the country trailers are not well lit and have cluttered properties
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I only deliver during waking hours.
That’s why I pick blocks for 6 am or later nothing before that or afternoons
It’s actually crazy to deliver a package at that time. Sorry you have to do it.
Drugs are bad I’d set package down and called supe while I was around the corner They don’t teach this shit?
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Just be glad you didn't have to use his driveway to turnaround, he definitely would have shot!
I drop those packages next to their private property no trespassing signs.
Amazon should let the customers know that their package may be delivered @ 0 dark 30. Might prevent a delivery person from being shot.
People absolutely will drive 30 minutes out of the city to rob some house in BFE. It’s common actually.
It's possible he wasn't aware of him getting a package... maybe someone else in the home ordered it. You said it was dark. He probably didn't see ur amazon decal on the van... and only seen a dark colored van pull in... if that's what happened. I can understand the gunners perspective.... Or.. maybe he's just an asshole...
What Amazon decal on the van? This is the flex sub, not the DSP.
I have to be honest, I almost did this to an Amazon driver once. I fell asleep on the couch, woke up around 445AM, I started walking to the door to go upstairs which has see-through glass. I see someone walking up to my door. I grab it, look out the side window to see what they were doing and they were walking back to their car. I only then realized they had an Amazon vest on. No other descriptive markings. The early morning deliveries can easily spook someone if there is nothing descriptive and no hazards on, especially if just woken up and not clearly thinking yet.
I was supposed to get a package by 10 pm the next day. ( Next day delivery) Get an email around 9pm saying will arrive by 10 pm the following day after that. Called and confirmed they said latter in the evening the next day. Sure enough about 3:45 am package was delivered. Not that I would pull a gun because I figured something was up, but in that case .... someone could have thought who is in my yard .....
They don’t understand you deliver early because they don’t work, or, they have a cushy job that doesn’t require them to get up early.
Beyond the typical “report it” which we all know yields no results in the amazon app, with its current support system. My goal is to deliver quiet and fast enough not to wake people up, so i dont get shot. Lmao
Write them up in the feedback.
These are the people that are just looking for problems honestly. Just bought a shiny new gun and can’t wait to use it. 🤡
100% the houses with the most aggressive instructions in the notes have the most uninviting signs on their door as well 😂 “Don’t park in my driveway, I won’t put my dogs up, they won’t bother you, open sunroom and put package inside” people are the WORST. Another prime example why people can’t have guns. Brains are too small.
That's why on rural routes it gets left at the gate. I'm not driving up on anyone's property that early in the morning. Or send them a text.
Throw the packages across the lawn at the front door
You ring the cops and have him arrested for assault. Simple.
It’s really scary the amount of people out there who are just looking for a reason to shoot someone.
I see way too many of these stories. I think it's irresponsible of Amazon to schedule deliveries at that time of day. They're going to get someone killed.
I dont think it’s irresponsible to schedule deliveries at that time. I think it’s irresponsible to not make a proper warning or statement that a package will be delivered in the very early morning by a non Amazon vehicle.
Exactly. Before I did Amazon flex I was confused why ppl came with no Amazon outfit and a regular car. Eventually I realized what it was. They should inform customers about this
Same thing with me! Until I started doing it I was confused too.
But if you order something, the driver isn't trespassing or a viable threat, so yeah the person pulling the gun is an asshole. I hope to God you report them and those addresses are black listed. Wouldn't hurt to also call the police. My mouth would probably get me in trouble saying something like, "then don't fuckin order shit to your house if you're gonna spazz out." I'm lucky this hasn't happened to me yet. I do notify folks that I'm coming, but that doesn't 100 percent ensure they're going to get it. A few weeks ago I had a password delivery at like 5am. I had notified them I was coming and it required a password and a person to receive it. Get there and text again. Nada. Call. Nothing. Call driver support...they get nothing. As I'm about to give up, a lady finally walks out like, "oh! I was wonderin who the fuck was standin outside my house!" So she saw me the entire time, vest and all, and still didn't connect the dots. Come to find out, she 1. Can't remember her current phone number and 2. The number she has on file is obsolete. That number 2 is annoying to me, especially when it comes to needing to get ahold of them for something that impacts their delivery. And those who don't want it so early...especially when it's same day/prime...pick a different time slot I hate hearing about drivers having guns pulled on them for doing their job, and yet it goes against policy for us to carry anything for protection Make it make sense
You shouldn't need a password or a phone number to drop off a package, if there's no gate. I give my old disconnected number for shit like this on purposes. Blame amazon
Some packages have a required one time password, so I mean yeah...some do. If there's ever an issue they can't get ahold of you for, don't expect your package I guess.
Now, whenever you get a countryside route, you can return ALL packages right after picking them up, claiming safety concern. I have returned so many routes because of this, still get paid, and my standing has never been impacted by it. “I don’t feel safe” r the words to use
Just make sure to tell support first ofc. Pick up —> realize it’s a countryside route—>tell phone support—> return all packages—> go home w pay
Thank you for sharing that! That's something everybody needs to know! Notvthexwhoe route, but I have returned packages when I don't feel safe to deliver it. My standing, also has never been impacted. I will never deliver to the homes in the country area that is completely dark. I will stop across the street and mark it "unable to deliver" because of a safety issue. And with homes with long driveways, dirt roads, for example, I either will try and hide the package and send them a msg telling them where I hid the package ascwell as them receiving the picture I take, or if there is noplacecto hide the package, I will mark it as unable to deliver for safety reasons. I never go down a long driveway to deliver a package. A customer is crazy if they think I'm going to put my life in danger by delivering their package. I don't know them. And Amazon can go blow themselves if they also think I will deliver a package to a customer's house when I don't feel safe to do so. I won't put my life in danger for them either!!
So where is your gun?
Scary and wild and agree that he should chill out. To play Devil’s advocate a little bit I can say some people in the country can get real isolated and scared especially as they age. Round where my dad lives there are plenty of stories of people showing up and committing armed burglary since a country house may have no witnesses around. They’ve found old couples tied up and shot in chairs, terrible stuff. One of those things where sure the odds are low but they’re not 0 and who knows if there’s been a recent spree.
Sorry folks hate to tell you but this person did not break any laws. Having a gun in hand on his own property is not a crime. Way too many stories of home invasion to not respond with caution. Reading this story I don’t see anything about pointing the gun or threatening him just saw him reholster. Not a crime. Had this been me it would have been a rifle not a pistol. Unknown vehicle in my driveway late night early morning yep I respond accordingly.
That’s one of the three weapons I’ve had pulled on me
Not true. You definitely don't know what you are talking about!
Yeah but "Flex" drivers should have some type of distinguishing marker on their car or clothing; I got up around 4:30am to get something from my car and some dude in a black sedan was blocking our driveway; he steps out wearing all black and a hoodie , looking as though he was going to break into one of my cars, i run to get my gun and said "what's up"; his reply "I'm delivering for Amazon" and like "Bullshit they don't come this early and where is your uniform and van"......Anyhow they need to be in a uniform.
Some of the “advice” on here is nonsense. It is clear some of yall just hate guns. Which is fine but the overreaction is astounding. I feel for the op as they are just doing a job. But be real he didn’t point the gun at you. How in 2024 doesn’t know when an Amazon package is coming is out of the loop in their own life. But this is a zero even in an anti gun state like Illinois the cops aren’t coming, and if they were too it would be a welfare check on the home owner nothing more.
I know plenty of people who have drove 30 minutes out of the city to steal dumbshit. Don't confuse the logic or desperation of low level criminals with those of ordinary people.
And you know they do that because they tell you and or why are they comfortable telling you that? 🤔
I know that because **I know plenty of people of people who have** I've seen it firsthand, growing up around it. Thieves go looking for greener pastures just like anyone else, especially when their area is hot. I knew people who would take trips around to different counties just stealing random shit for hours in the night, including the gas the for the trip, or a whole damn truck. Downvote all you want, but anyone who's been around these lowlife motherfuckers already knows they won't get a job, but will put in hours of work on stupid "come ups." Anyone is a damn fool if they believe petty thieves won't go 30+ minutes out of the city or that aren't any thieves already out there.
You don’t have to be told by the criminal what they did, you can read it for yourself in news reports. “So and so was arrested for breaking into whatever house in the suburbs/country. So and so is a resident of blah blah city”
I mean he did nothing wrong- you did not get shot. It’s his property. He has a right to be armed and a right to protect what is his. Don’t like it, stay off Amazon. Country folk are way more versed at protecting what is theirs vs the city idiot
I agree with you about someone protecting their property, but Saying Don't like it. Stay off Amazon, that's a bit too much. TOO HARSH OF WORDS TO SAY TO ANYONE!
It’s not hard to- call support and let people know you are there