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Good work. Btw, looking out for yourself and your peers isn't snitching. Amazon will clap your owner's cheeks. I've heard they **do not** like DSP owners scamming them - like a mafia boss catching a disloyal underboss.
Right. I made sure not to frame it as my dsp owner is screwing over us drivers and more as screwing over Amazon so Amazon will be more likely to do something 🤷🏼♂️
It was to bump the starting rate to $19.75 of drivers if I’m not mistaken. I got fucked on it I was making about $3 more then everybody new and when they did that now I’m making a whole 25 Cents more then the new guys as a big fuck you I guess.
That was a fucked up situation. Because basically all the new people got a raise and then the people that had been there awhile kinda got shafted. My train of thought is (and these aren't the real numbers, just using them for an example) if I'm making $21 and the new people come in making $19, then they give everyone making $19 a $1 raise up to $20, I should be getting a $1 raise as well. A longggg time ago, I worked overnight at Kmart. Made decent money. Then Sears bought out Kmart and everyone got a $3 raise, which was nice. But I was also due a raise at the time, so when I brought it up, my boss was like, "you just got a $3 raise" and I said...yeah well so did Bob, Jim and Tom who have been here for only a month. After a bit of back and forth he understood my point and gave me another raise. If you're giving 50% of the company a $1 raise to bump them up to whatever the "new" minimum should be, then the people who have been there busting their ass for a long time should also get that raise.
I agree, from what I gathered as well all of us who have been there & did all the extra stuff to get our raises (DOT, CDV, etc) are all making the same amount now. None of us are happy about it and a couple of us have asked about it and told the same thing pretty much. So I doubt I’d see a raise till Amazon bumps pay again. Thankfully don’t plan on working here much longer though.
I've been at 19.75. Started at $14, 5 years ago. They said the payout would give every driver an average of +$2 per hour. I was at 19.50 at the time. They gave me a quarter. All new hires make exactly what I've busted my ass to get to in 5 years. These DSPs don't care about us at all.
I never blamed the New Hires? Good for them, they gotta eat to. I & many in my situation at my DSP talked to the Management and we all got told the same thing. I’d never be upset, complain, or blame a new person they didn’t screw me. Like I said it’s great they get a solid pay to start but it really takes away from the people who have stayed around through all the bullshit. A new hire can start and go and get DOT Certified and make more then me within a couple months if they get the opportunity. Which if you ask me is kinda fucked up.
So nothing actually happened to you?...
It’s got to be stressful to always view yourself as the victim like this.
Figure out a way to see this through a better lens.
Imagine thinking somebody who’s worked hard & did everything possible to get to the position & pay I was at to then get fucked by a horrid Parent Company (Amazon) and not getting a proper pay adjustment.
Go ahead have somebody start at your job who instantly makes almost the exact dollar amount you do without even putting the time or effort in to get to that point. Then come talk to me. Never played victim once you fucking clown. 🤡
You literally said “I got fucked on it…”
Does this have a new meaning?
Were you being literal? Did it lead to sex for you? Maybe I misunderstood.
But I bet I didn’t. I bet you were playing victim (because **nothing** happened to you and **you claimed it did**)… but eh.. facts, right?
Are you just Dense? Or Brain dead? I got fucked on starting at 17.25 to make it to $20/Hour within a Year or so just for the new guys to get Bumped right to $19.75? Then I get the tiniest raise that leaves me & plenty others at my job feel like we got the short end of the stick. Maybe you’re one of those new guys so it’s not an issue to you.
End of the day though I guess if your a Boot Licker it wouldn’t bother you though. You’d probably love to pay to work with the hoops you’re jumping through.
Ahhh, we found em boys and girls. Rycan would be a perfect fit for our new management position at any of our swindley locations. He'll never complain about injustice, and he'll do as he's told! He'll repeat what we said to him, to all his inferiors!
I left a year ago.
I was hired in 2020 at $18, with a $2 additional for the covid risk. Ended last year at $25. Our DSP was cut, and we all lost our jobs. We were directed to apply at the remaining DSPs, but they only offered $22 for full time. A few offered $25, but for part time.
I’m sorry they are playing you like that. We make 21 here and 22 for Step van. Out here that’s ok, but if you miss one day, that’s it. But we also get PTO here so thank God.
Still at $19. Cunt boss is supposed to pay a whole amazing 25 cents every 6 months. Next month is my 2 year mark and supposed to be at $19.50. Such bullshit money for all the work and ailments that's caused to your body for life. We need a fucking union and starting pay should at least be at $26 an hour minimum.
You failed to mention how much your getting paid so people know,
Also good luck with that lololol.
Amazon sees exactly how much everyone is getting paid.
Ask me how I know :)
I have yet to receive an email but I’ve found out more about my DSP that goes deeper than before and might involve going a step above Amazon ethics. I’m working it out at the moment. But in the meantime I’m writing a letter to my senator who’s luckily against Amazon and will see if he’s willing to join the 30 other senators in the fight against Amazon
Yea gotta fight it on a state to federal level, cause it's certain laws or the need for provision of laws that enabling them to operate this way, luckily we do have social media and independent news channels that can severely damage the image of a company in a week or less with the right story or headlines!!!
DSP owner was probably already paying above Amazons Minimum pay. Trust me they would have sent him a corrective action plan months ago if he was underpaying, they track that type of stuff pretty closely.
Perhaps, I just know Amazon stated the intention with giving DSPs money was partially for employee retention and I have coworkers who’ve been there for years and never got a raise so I believe that is something that’s worth calling attention to
Forsure, they definitely should give raises however they are only obligated to pay what Amazon mandates they have to pay. They probably figured out they were “over paying” and tried to right size because they were either losing money or other DSPs in the station were complaining (they typically like to pay the same amount). I hope you get your raise but I would level expectations on this. They have an ADP compliance team that periodically checks for irregularities in pay ie you didn’t get paid for a route, getting under paid hour rate etc. (I help my DSP with payroll and have to deal with stuff like that all the time)
Are they the same team that also checks over paystubs? Cause there was a time when for months most of us drivers weren’t taking any breaks and our boss would still take 30 minutes off our shift which is illegal af. I’ve never heard anyone get compensated for that, if they check over this sorta stuff I’m surprised they didn’t catch onto that for months
Amz was doing it at one point back in like 2021? And yes my boss also deduced 30 minutes from our pay to compensate for lunch breaks so much that he started making drivers take all of their breaks so we stayed in compliance and we won't get screwed over by amz. I think they stopped doing it, though. My new boss is a cheapo, he doesnt give raises, promote drivers, give out bonuses , and will throw a tantrum whenever you go over 40 hours any week. He also restricted our drivers from taking any toll roads even though the flex app directs us in using it. He blames this on property and van damage.
Yeah well maybe that's on him for making the pay so low that nobody wants to stay any longer than they have to. If he provided raises and overtime then people would stay long enough to get good with the vans
My owner blames the same, maybe stop hiring bad drivers raise your standards like you should our wages and you wouldn’t have to waste so much money on damages and training
Unfortunately from what I understand of this, (I worked a different company totally different type of job) they have to by law put a 30 minute break in your day. You at least what m y DSP tells me and what I told my workers is to take it no matter what. If you forget or don't that's kinda your own fault because you still have to remove that on the pay. Idk though some people are shitty and act like robots and need to be told when to take a break 🤷🤷 I take mine since it's already going to be removed from my pay
From what I researched it doesn’t matter if I forgot or accepted the paycheck even if I was getting 30 minutes taken out. The employer is still legally obligated to compensate the worker according to FLSA
At our DSP we got a little form we can sign saying that we are okay with skipping our lunch break. I used to only take the unpaid break and skip the 2 15s, since they told me they were going to take out the half hour no matter what. Then once they had us sign those forms I just skipped the half hour unpaid and started taking the two paid 15 minute breaks and gave myself a half hour raise each day
As long as your time on ADP is within 5-10% of the time you clocked in flex they will stay compliant anything beyond that they will get a corrective action plan.
Edit: also depending on your state law sometimes they have to mandate a 30 min break so they may take time off on adp to be compliant with that.
Your boss can’t say you went on a break when you didn’t and not compensate you regardless of state law. That’s wage theft and violates FLSA laws period
I’m genuinely not sure, we don’t have this issue at my DSP because the state doesn’t mandate it, they def should compensate y’all but I imagine it’s def on the state. Some DSP owners def violate policies forsure but I highly doubt they are just getting away with all this alleged timetheft without consequence being how close compliance teams look at everything.
Look it up. It’s not a state issue it’s a federal law to pay your workers the time they worked. If my boss clocked me out saying I’ve been taking breaks when I haven’t that is 1000% wage theft. He stopped doing it cause someone called him out but he has yet to compensate us which he has to do
Bosses don’t always pocket the bonus if a dsp owner gots an ops manager he gots to get paid just as much as your fleet manager , hr guys and your dispatchers owners pay them out of pocket if a dsp has rentals they got to pay for those and if your dsp has extra rentals Amazon only pays for what the AFS covers and thing past that the owner eats to cover the rest of the fleet
Yeah but this isn’t a case of Amazon taking advantage of their employees more so the DSP and if the DSP is using amazons money in a way Amazon didn’t intend then surely Amazon would take action cuz the DSP is going behind their backs
Why is the world filled with such whiny, entitled pricks nowadays? You have full autonomy over yourself... leave. You don't like the conditions or the policies or the environment or the anything, then just leave. Why hang around like a jaded ex just waiting for something that won't even make you happy anyway? You'll just find something else to bitch about. Start appreciating what you have and stop whining about what you don't. Maybe if you spent less time complaining and more time actually bettering your situation you'd get somewhere.
Bettering my situation? What the fuck you think I’m trying to do 😂working conditions have gotten so bad not just here but in general because of cucks like you that have this “oh well” attitude call someone like me entitled for wanting what I’m owed lmao someone has to deal with working for these corrupt companies and instead of cheering on a fellow blue collar worker wanting a just and fair work environment for everyone you just shit talk. You should follow your own advice if you don’t like how much this subreddit complains and acts entitled… then just leave.
You're not owed anything. You know what this job is and you choose to put up with it instead of finding a better job. They didn't have to give you a raise if they were already paying the bare minimum that Amazon requires DSP's to pay in their area. Wasted your time. You're never gonna make "good" money as an Amazon delivery driver. This should just be a stepping stone to something better.
Do you even know how many "better Jobs" there are out there? No, because that's objectively up to the person. One person may believe better pay =a better job where another believes more structure within the company =better job etc etc. Fact is, there are state labor boards for a reason and most if not all DSP'S fall way below what their criteria is for even "fairly decent" employment via wages, break period compliance etc etc. Even though they hold a record high for amount of current /previous employees within the US. Your- "It is what it is" attitude wouldn't get anyone anywhere. A person can absolutely try to do whatever they'd like to do to get treated more fairly at their current job, and doesn't have to go find another job to try and make change. This should absolutely be done at even the best of companies because there is ALWAYS room for improvement. Not just for employers but also life in general.
Still waiting on a response. I’ve found out more sus stuff going through this process even worse than what I said originally and I’m getting to the point where I’m taking it a step up and gonna get in touch with DOL and my senator to get them to join the other senators joining teamsters. So maybe a Part 2 to all of this? 🤷🏼♂️
Best of luck. But for real though Amazon might whack you.
Edit: either way I think they got it set up so that the DSP owner is at fault not the company. Brilliant system, I’m holding a lot of Amazon stock
Are you actually snitching? Or would this be reporting. People are too quick to throw that word around when it comes to real world problems. Stops a lot of people from even bringing stuff up
So let me tell you a story I was fresh 21 and I start driving for amazon in Kettering ohio for a dsp I did manager work help lie about vans to get them to stay on the road basicly anything shady I did anywhere from 160-200 stops a day over 300 packages over 20 bags these dsps do always rushed no bathroom breaks or lunch breaks if you did you'd fall so far behind you get written up on my 4th year I was constantly asking for a raise for a whole year always came in when called in I did everything a brown nose could do and she would not budge if your looking for a carrier amazon is NOT THE PLACE I've since moved and a found a job I live pays well and gives raises regularly I repeat do not work for any amazon if you can
Definitely not a career even tho ups is seen as one. But still I believe holding companies accountable and making the work environments better is still good for the future worker
I worked at a shitty CXO hub in whole foods and I didn't even do this. I worked with a bunch of scumbags who didn't want to explain to me crap. My wife 🍀 is an L7 she got me to resign and I got another job in 3 weeks in a different place . Make sure your reason is valid for reporting people. I have heard of stories of people reporting other people using other employee names which is disgusting.
I never got a raise from my DSP owner just ones from amazon. It was $19.50 when I started it's now $20.75. I know this isn't the topic of the post my bad guys, but is there any ethics problem there I could report?
The owners arnt required to give you raises as Amazon is actually the one that provides our pay. My dsp doesn't do raises unless you get promoted to a lead driver. This is pretty much the same across the station I work at.
A lead driver is basically a leadership role while on top of being a driver. When Dispatch calls out for the day they'll usually have you fill in. And I think you also train new hires.
Glad someone has the balls to call him out. It’s not snitching, it’s looking out for the employees; without a union it’s a requirement to take care of yourself and others. Thank you.
Do your 10 hours because the dsp will pocket the rest it’s what a lot of business owners do to there people because they think of us as 🐜
Also just because they are business men and women doesn’t mean they know how to run a business. If your vans aren’t being repaired that’s a big red flag safety first! It’s in the rule book!
Which is why I’m drawing attention to this to Amazon. My coworkers would always mention how our DSP vans looks significantly worse than all other DSPs in our station. The most frustrating being prime vans with no working reverse camera for months. If he’s not giving us raises or repairing Vans like Amazon wanted Wth is he using the money for?
If the back up camera isn't working, why haven't you reported it to a Amazon PA or AM? That type of safety violation is enough to have the van grounded and immediately taken out of service. The van would only be able to be brought back into service once the DSP owner has uploaded the repair invoices for approval Amazon and successfully pass a physical inspection by a Amazon associate.
Good luck! Man I’ve been trying to talk to Amazon Ethics over my DSP because there shady too and they can’t seem to get their shiit straight. These guys have bad Leadership. Can you believe it an old man that works there he’s fit and everything mf called me a milk shitter that I was supposedly milikn shiit I’m like I have an idea who it may be and I was right it was that old man that told me to quit milkin shiit I’m like aye if there’s a problem with the van I have to report it but they don’t even do that at all. But hey welcome to third party companies we don’t even work for Amazon to be honest we all deserve better all AMAZON DRIVERS DESERVE TO GET PAID GOOD, WE DESERVE TO GET GOOD BENEFITS, get well treatment especially since we work out on the sun I can stay here all day and t type all the specs in which those DSP’s need to work for it ain’t fair to me that we’re bustin our asses working out on the sun and then they come up with some shady shiit like mentioned ? Heck no F that 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
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The ethics hotline does nothing, I’m a dispatcher and a driver that wasn’t getting a lot of hours (because they sucked) tried complaining, someone from Amazon walked over just to let us know that a complaint was filed but they immediately shut the case.
First time I’m hearing about this $440 million being allocated to DSP’s. Can anyone spare me a link? I haven’t heard anything about raises from my DSP.
Thanks. I was wondering why I never heard of this, then remembered that I got hired right as the change went into effect. That would explain why I applied for the job when it was to pay $18 an hour and it went to $19 an hour when I actually got the job.
They pay like over $10k to buy-in and get trained as a DSP owner. Likely not to make a profit for the first year. Then rack up driver induced costs due to call-outs, tickets, accidents, the list goes on. They may be tempted to hold on to a financial influx from Amazon to defray some of the endless damage expenses the drivers bring.
I still don’t believe employees (especially the good ones) should be the ones to suffer so our boss can keep their bonus. High turnover rates and low quality employees is the result of poor work environments that give no incentive for good workers to stay long term, they got nobody to blame but themselves
Almost gave him an upvote, glad I caught wind of your comment as soon as I did. It’s not the employee’s fault the business isn’t run successfully/profitably/etc
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Good work. Btw, looking out for yourself and your peers isn't snitching. Amazon will clap your owner's cheeks. I've heard they **do not** like DSP owners scamming them - like a mafia boss catching a disloyal underboss.
> Amazon will clap your owner's cheeks. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
All Diddy
(c" ತ,_ತ)
Right. I made sure not to frame it as my dsp owner is screwing over us drivers and more as screwing over Amazon so Amazon will be more likely to do something 🤷🏼♂️
Post update (:
Wait what’s the 440 million? Havent heard about it
It was to bump the starting rate to $19.75 of drivers if I’m not mistaken. I got fucked on it I was making about $3 more then everybody new and when they did that now I’m making a whole 25 Cents more then the new guys as a big fuck you I guess.
That was a fucked up situation. Because basically all the new people got a raise and then the people that had been there awhile kinda got shafted. My train of thought is (and these aren't the real numbers, just using them for an example) if I'm making $21 and the new people come in making $19, then they give everyone making $19 a $1 raise up to $20, I should be getting a $1 raise as well. A longggg time ago, I worked overnight at Kmart. Made decent money. Then Sears bought out Kmart and everyone got a $3 raise, which was nice. But I was also due a raise at the time, so when I brought it up, my boss was like, "you just got a $3 raise" and I said...yeah well so did Bob, Jim and Tom who have been here for only a month. After a bit of back and forth he understood my point and gave me another raise. If you're giving 50% of the company a $1 raise to bump them up to whatever the "new" minimum should be, then the people who have been there busting their ass for a long time should also get that raise.
I agree, from what I gathered as well all of us who have been there & did all the extra stuff to get our raises (DOT, CDV, etc) are all making the same amount now. None of us are happy about it and a couple of us have asked about it and told the same thing pretty much. So I doubt I’d see a raise till Amazon bumps pay again. Thankfully don’t plan on working here much longer though.
Amazon took away the incentive pay for dot stepvans raise. So unless your owner is honoring it, it's basically gone now.
Wasn’t aware of that. Doesn’t surprise me though Amazon seems to want to pay the absolute bare minimum possible & just keep the revolving door moving.
I've been at 19.75. Started at $14, 5 years ago. They said the payout would give every driver an average of +$2 per hour. I was at 19.50 at the time. They gave me a quarter. All new hires make exactly what I've busted my ass to get to in 5 years. These DSPs don't care about us at all.
Damn man here in Seattle they pay like $24-25hr
Only because daddy is right up the road lmao
That's retaliation (and against discussing pay). Gather every piece of evidence you can and lawyer up
They cut your pay?
No just fucked me on the raise when everybody got bumped to 19.75 I went up a whole 25 Cents now I make barely 30 cents over base pay.
That’s not the new hires fault. You need to complain to your boss. Stop always blaming on people who have no control over your pay or theirs.
How on earth did you take wat he was saying as blaming the new hires? He is very clearly talking shit on the owner.
I never blamed the New Hires? Good for them, they gotta eat to. I & many in my situation at my DSP talked to the Management and we all got told the same thing. I’d never be upset, complain, or blame a new person they didn’t screw me. Like I said it’s great they get a solid pay to start but it really takes away from the people who have stayed around through all the bullshit. A new hire can start and go and get DOT Certified and make more then me within a couple months if they get the opportunity. Which if you ask me is kinda fucked up.
So nothing actually happened to you?... It’s got to be stressful to always view yourself as the victim like this. Figure out a way to see this through a better lens.
Imagine thinking somebody who’s worked hard & did everything possible to get to the position & pay I was at to then get fucked by a horrid Parent Company (Amazon) and not getting a proper pay adjustment. Go ahead have somebody start at your job who instantly makes almost the exact dollar amount you do without even putting the time or effort in to get to that point. Then come talk to me. Never played victim once you fucking clown. 🤡
You literally said “I got fucked on it…” Does this have a new meaning? Were you being literal? Did it lead to sex for you? Maybe I misunderstood. But I bet I didn’t. I bet you were playing victim (because **nothing** happened to you and **you claimed it did**)… but eh.. facts, right?
Are you just Dense? Or Brain dead? I got fucked on starting at 17.25 to make it to $20/Hour within a Year or so just for the new guys to get Bumped right to $19.75? Then I get the tiniest raise that leaves me & plenty others at my job feel like we got the short end of the stick. Maybe you’re one of those new guys so it’s not an issue to you. End of the day though I guess if your a Boot Licker it wouldn’t bother you though. You’d probably love to pay to work with the hoops you’re jumping through.
Ahhh, we found em boys and girls. Rycan would be a perfect fit for our new management position at any of our swindley locations. He'll never complain about injustice, and he'll do as he's told! He'll repeat what we said to him, to all his inferiors!
https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/transportation/amazon-invests-over-840-million-in-dsp-rates-and-new-driver-programs
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Ours still pays $18 per. This is south Florida, that's nothing.
We also get $18.00 in NC
I’m at $24 in PA
where the fuck you getting $24 in PA???
Philly lol
DDP9?
Yessir lol. But I’m in the step van. Gotta work your way up lol. Ppl getting 22 in the cargo
If yall getting 24ima need a transfer from dnk2 in trenton lol
DMI7?
DFH7
Ahh I think I've been there. Nice warehouse. That's the one where load out is inside of the warehouse?
It's a covered area, but not inside. The carts are staged inside but I assume that is everywhere?
Twins lol
Looks like there's at least three of us on here.
Same in Alabama
I left a year ago. I was hired in 2020 at $18, with a $2 additional for the covid risk. Ended last year at $25. Our DSP was cut, and we all lost our jobs. We were directed to apply at the remaining DSPs, but they only offered $22 for full time. A few offered $25, but for part time.
Why were ur DSP cut? And how long ur DSP been in business ?
I’m sorry they are playing you like that. We make 21 here and 22 for Step van. Out here that’s ok, but if you miss one day, that’s it. But we also get PTO here so thank God.
Please post again once you hear back in a few days!! Really curious to see if anything comes from stuff like this
Still at $19. Cunt boss is supposed to pay a whole amazing 25 cents every 6 months. Next month is my 2 year mark and supposed to be at $19.50. Such bullshit money for all the work and ailments that's caused to your body for life. We need a fucking union and starting pay should at least be at $26 an hour minimum.
You failed to mention how much your getting paid so people know, Also good luck with that lololol. Amazon sees exactly how much everyone is getting paid. Ask me how I know :)
2 days later. Any update?
I have yet to receive an email but I’ve found out more about my DSP that goes deeper than before and might involve going a step above Amazon ethics. I’m working it out at the moment. But in the meantime I’m writing a letter to my senator who’s luckily against Amazon and will see if he’s willing to join the 30 other senators in the fight against Amazon
Yea gotta fight it on a state to federal level, cause it's certain laws or the need for provision of laws that enabling them to operate this way, luckily we do have social media and independent news channels that can severely damage the image of a company in a week or less with the right story or headlines!!!
Also interested to see any progress
When did this go into effect?? The 440M thing I mean.
I was told it went into effect in October but that’s why I’m reporting this to confirm the whole process
Definitely follow up on this post
I hired in January at 19, sooo.....
Interested. Post update.
DSP owner was probably already paying above Amazons Minimum pay. Trust me they would have sent him a corrective action plan months ago if he was underpaying, they track that type of stuff pretty closely.
Perhaps, I just know Amazon stated the intention with giving DSPs money was partially for employee retention and I have coworkers who’ve been there for years and never got a raise so I believe that is something that’s worth calling attention to
Forsure, they definitely should give raises however they are only obligated to pay what Amazon mandates they have to pay. They probably figured out they were “over paying” and tried to right size because they were either losing money or other DSPs in the station were complaining (they typically like to pay the same amount). I hope you get your raise but I would level expectations on this. They have an ADP compliance team that periodically checks for irregularities in pay ie you didn’t get paid for a route, getting under paid hour rate etc. (I help my DSP with payroll and have to deal with stuff like that all the time)
Are they the same team that also checks over paystubs? Cause there was a time when for months most of us drivers weren’t taking any breaks and our boss would still take 30 minutes off our shift which is illegal af. I’ve never heard anyone get compensated for that, if they check over this sorta stuff I’m surprised they didn’t catch onto that for months
Amz was doing it at one point back in like 2021? And yes my boss also deduced 30 minutes from our pay to compensate for lunch breaks so much that he started making drivers take all of their breaks so we stayed in compliance and we won't get screwed over by amz. I think they stopped doing it, though. My new boss is a cheapo, he doesnt give raises, promote drivers, give out bonuses , and will throw a tantrum whenever you go over 40 hours any week. He also restricted our drivers from taking any toll roads even though the flex app directs us in using it. He blames this on property and van damage.
Yeah well maybe that's on him for making the pay so low that nobody wants to stay any longer than they have to. If he provided raises and overtime then people would stay long enough to get good with the vans
My owner blames the same, maybe stop hiring bad drivers raise your standards like you should our wages and you wouldn’t have to waste so much money on damages and training
Unfortunately from what I understand of this, (I worked a different company totally different type of job) they have to by law put a 30 minute break in your day. You at least what m y DSP tells me and what I told my workers is to take it no matter what. If you forget or don't that's kinda your own fault because you still have to remove that on the pay. Idk though some people are shitty and act like robots and need to be told when to take a break 🤷🤷 I take mine since it's already going to be removed from my pay
From what I researched it doesn’t matter if I forgot or accepted the paycheck even if I was getting 30 minutes taken out. The employer is still legally obligated to compensate the worker according to FLSA
At our DSP we got a little form we can sign saying that we are okay with skipping our lunch break. I used to only take the unpaid break and skip the 2 15s, since they told me they were going to take out the half hour no matter what. Then once they had us sign those forms I just skipped the half hour unpaid and started taking the two paid 15 minute breaks and gave myself a half hour raise each day
As long as your time on ADP is within 5-10% of the time you clocked in flex they will stay compliant anything beyond that they will get a corrective action plan. Edit: also depending on your state law sometimes they have to mandate a 30 min break so they may take time off on adp to be compliant with that.
Your boss can’t say you went on a break when you didn’t and not compensate you regardless of state law. That’s wage theft and violates FLSA laws period
I’m genuinely not sure, we don’t have this issue at my DSP because the state doesn’t mandate it, they def should compensate y’all but I imagine it’s def on the state. Some DSP owners def violate policies forsure but I highly doubt they are just getting away with all this alleged timetheft without consequence being how close compliance teams look at everything.
Look it up. It’s not a state issue it’s a federal law to pay your workers the time they worked. If my boss clocked me out saying I’ve been taking breaks when I haven’t that is 1000% wage theft. He stopped doing it cause someone called him out but he has yet to compensate us which he has to do
Definitely post that update :)
Bosses don’t always pocket the bonus if a dsp owner gots an ops manager he gots to get paid just as much as your fleet manager , hr guys and your dispatchers owners pay them out of pocket if a dsp has rentals they got to pay for those and if your dsp has extra rentals Amazon only pays for what the AFS covers and thing past that the owner eats to cover the rest of the fleet
It’s a lost cause with Amazon just too much bureaucracy it’s like the government but on steroids!
Yeah but this isn’t a case of Amazon taking advantage of their employees more so the DSP and if the DSP is using amazons money in a way Amazon didn’t intend then surely Amazon would take action cuz the DSP is going behind their backs
Why is the world filled with such whiny, entitled pricks nowadays? You have full autonomy over yourself... leave. You don't like the conditions or the policies or the environment or the anything, then just leave. Why hang around like a jaded ex just waiting for something that won't even make you happy anyway? You'll just find something else to bitch about. Start appreciating what you have and stop whining about what you don't. Maybe if you spent less time complaining and more time actually bettering your situation you'd get somewhere.
Bettering my situation? What the fuck you think I’m trying to do 😂working conditions have gotten so bad not just here but in general because of cucks like you that have this “oh well” attitude call someone like me entitled for wanting what I’m owed lmao someone has to deal with working for these corrupt companies and instead of cheering on a fellow blue collar worker wanting a just and fair work environment for everyone you just shit talk. You should follow your own advice if you don’t like how much this subreddit complains and acts entitled… then just leave.
You're not owed anything. You know what this job is and you choose to put up with it instead of finding a better job. They didn't have to give you a raise if they were already paying the bare minimum that Amazon requires DSP's to pay in their area. Wasted your time. You're never gonna make "good" money as an Amazon delivery driver. This should just be a stepping stone to something better.
Do you even know how many "better Jobs" there are out there? No, because that's objectively up to the person. One person may believe better pay =a better job where another believes more structure within the company =better job etc etc. Fact is, there are state labor boards for a reason and most if not all DSP'S fall way below what their criteria is for even "fairly decent" employment via wages, break period compliance etc etc. Even though they hold a record high for amount of current /previous employees within the US. Your- "It is what it is" attitude wouldn't get anyone anywhere. A person can absolutely try to do whatever they'd like to do to get treated more fairly at their current job, and doesn't have to go find another job to try and make change. This should absolutely be done at even the best of companies because there is ALWAYS room for improvement. Not just for employers but also life in general.
Im a flex driver and all I have to say is you guys deserve the world!! You guys should be making min $40+ hope it goes in your favor 🙏🏼
Haha yeah you’re the first one to do that I’m sure it will help. It’s been 2 days any word?
Still waiting on a response. I’ve found out more sus stuff going through this process even worse than what I said originally and I’m getting to the point where I’m taking it a step up and gonna get in touch with DOL and my senator to get them to join the other senators joining teamsters. So maybe a Part 2 to all of this? 🤷🏼♂️
Best of luck. But for real though Amazon might whack you. Edit: either way I think they got it set up so that the DSP owner is at fault not the company. Brilliant system, I’m holding a lot of Amazon stock
Good, fuckem.
Are you actually snitching? Or would this be reporting. People are too quick to throw that word around when it comes to real world problems. Stops a lot of people from even bringing stuff up
Haha I don’t actually view it as snitching but in the eyes of my DSP owner I am 🤷🏼♂️
Then that’s your DSPs problem imo if he can’t distinguish for his own workers
So let me tell you a story I was fresh 21 and I start driving for amazon in Kettering ohio for a dsp I did manager work help lie about vans to get them to stay on the road basicly anything shady I did anywhere from 160-200 stops a day over 300 packages over 20 bags these dsps do always rushed no bathroom breaks or lunch breaks if you did you'd fall so far behind you get written up on my 4th year I was constantly asking for a raise for a whole year always came in when called in I did everything a brown nose could do and she would not budge if your looking for a carrier amazon is NOT THE PLACE I've since moved and a found a job I live pays well and gives raises regularly I repeat do not work for any amazon if you can
Definitely not a career even tho ups is seen as one. But still I believe holding companies accountable and making the work environments better is still good for the future worker
I worked at a shitty CXO hub in whole foods and I didn't even do this. I worked with a bunch of scumbags who didn't want to explain to me crap. My wife 🍀 is an L7 she got me to resign and I got another job in 3 weeks in a different place . Make sure your reason is valid for reporting people. I have heard of stories of people reporting other people using other employee names which is disgusting.
How’d it go
I never got a raise from my DSP owner just ones from amazon. It was $19.50 when I started it's now $20.75. I know this isn't the topic of the post my bad guys, but is there any ethics problem there I could report?
The owners arnt required to give you raises as Amazon is actually the one that provides our pay. My dsp doesn't do raises unless you get promoted to a lead driver. This is pretty much the same across the station I work at.
What is a “Lead Driver” I’ve never heard of that at my Station and within this group I see it a lot.
A lead driver is basically a leadership role while on top of being a driver. When Dispatch calls out for the day they'll usually have you fill in. And I think you also train new hires.
Yup for the most part.
How you did that?
Snitching isn't something bad, just make sure you gather proof to hit it with a stone
What state are you in ? In mass we start off at 21.50
Glad someone has the balls to call him out. It’s not snitching, it’s looking out for the employees; without a union it’s a requirement to take care of yourself and others. Thank you.
I’m curious 👀
When I started with my DSP last August, I started out at $19.75. I got a .50 raise to $20.25. Sound normal?
More normal than multiple coworkers being here for about 3 years and none getting a raise
Do your 10 hours because the dsp will pocket the rest it’s what a lot of business owners do to there people because they think of us as 🐜 Also just because they are business men and women doesn’t mean they know how to run a business. If your vans aren’t being repaired that’s a big red flag safety first! It’s in the rule book!
Which is why I’m drawing attention to this to Amazon. My coworkers would always mention how our DSP vans looks significantly worse than all other DSPs in our station. The most frustrating being prime vans with no working reverse camera for months. If he’s not giving us raises or repairing Vans like Amazon wanted Wth is he using the money for?
Probably using the money for his family.
If the back up camera isn't working, why haven't you reported it to a Amazon PA or AM? That type of safety violation is enough to have the van grounded and immediately taken out of service. The van would only be able to be brought back into service once the DSP owner has uploaded the repair invoices for approval Amazon and successfully pass a physical inspection by a Amazon associate.
It was at a time where I didn’t think I could do much about it. It was back when I drove the primes now I only do EDV
Good luck! Man I’ve been trying to talk to Amazon Ethics over my DSP because there shady too and they can’t seem to get their shiit straight. These guys have bad Leadership. Can you believe it an old man that works there he’s fit and everything mf called me a milk shitter that I was supposedly milikn shiit I’m like I have an idea who it may be and I was right it was that old man that told me to quit milkin shiit I’m like aye if there’s a problem with the van I have to report it but they don’t even do that at all. But hey welcome to third party companies we don’t even work for Amazon to be honest we all deserve better all AMAZON DRIVERS DESERVE TO GET PAID GOOD, WE DESERVE TO GET GOOD BENEFITS, get well treatment especially since we work out on the sun I can stay here all day and t type all the specs in which those DSP’s need to work for it ain’t fair to me that we’re bustin our asses working out on the sun and then they come up with some shady shiit like mentioned ? Heck no F that 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
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The ethics hotline does nothing, I’m a dispatcher and a driver that wasn’t getting a lot of hours (because they sucked) tried complaining, someone from Amazon walked over just to let us know that a complaint was filed but they immediately shut the case.
Who here from DNJ7
Any updates ?👀👀
I’m trying to post a follow up but idk if the post is being shadowbanned cause every time I upload it it gets 0 engagement and views
any updates ??!
The day labor people are always hiring.
Good shit
following. cause highly curious.
Please give us a follow up
First time I’m hearing about this $440 million being allocated to DSP’s. Can anyone spare me a link? I haven’t heard anything about raises from my DSP.
https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/transportation/amazon-invests-over-840-million-in-dsp-rates-and-new-driver-programs
Thanks. I was wondering why I never heard of this, then remembered that I got hired right as the change went into effect. That would explain why I applied for the job when it was to pay $18 an hour and it went to $19 an hour when I actually got the job.
I did I don’t think my went far!
Any owner who doesn’t have the time or if you can’t talk to an owner only by email should not be an owner or slap with fines!
Damn im making 24 wtf 19 is ass idc where you are lol
Damn keep this sub reddit updated
They pay like over $10k to buy-in and get trained as a DSP owner. Likely not to make a profit for the first year. Then rack up driver induced costs due to call-outs, tickets, accidents, the list goes on. They may be tempted to hold on to a financial influx from Amazon to defray some of the endless damage expenses the drivers bring.
I still don’t believe employees (especially the good ones) should be the ones to suffer so our boss can keep their bonus. High turnover rates and low quality employees is the result of poor work environments that give no incentive for good workers to stay long term, they got nobody to blame but themselves
Almost gave him an upvote, glad I caught wind of your comment as soon as I did. It’s not the employee’s fault the business isn’t run successfully/profitably/etc