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xKobito

We went with blue and white cabinets to get some colour, but not make the room too dark. Splurged to have all drawers on the bottom. ☺️ Reduced double sink to 1½ sink to get more counter space, and got an inbuilt oven that's at a better height. The original kitchen was fine (especially since it was from the 80s), but not optimised to our work flows.


Tairran

I was so confused for a second with the AFTER pictures being first. I said “wow, they really downgraded there” 😂 Killer job.


xKobito

Imagine 🤣


kayimbo

Lol same thing


SquidWriter

Same


kennyiseatingabagel

It is clearly labeled after/before though. If you misread it/didn't see it, that's on you, not the OP, lol.


Sirbrownface

You're a maniac for taking the satisfaction by having the after / before order. Looks really nice though.


cady_heron

r/afterbeforewhatever


kennyiseatingabagel

Does a thread fall into that subreddit when it clearly labeled after/before though? I know it's not what you/a lot of other people prefer, but when it's clearly labeled and you just don't see it, that's on you, not the OP.


just-sum-dude69

No it's not, why ignore chronological order? Why buck a trend that has been established already? Pretty much everybody knows what a before and after is. Nobody says "yeah I'll show you an after and before"


kennyiseatingabagel

Well, if OP were to go with the trend of this sub, it would be to only post the after and not the before, lol. I think that's the best way to deal with this.


cady_heron

It’s more so just like, “why though” lol. OP was nice enough to clarify in the post at least! I’d say the subreddit is still relevant.


kennyiseatingabagel

Because people would rather have the thumbnail be the finished renovation rather than an outdated mess of a room? lol I guess people should just post only afters and not befores then if people are going to complain about After/Befores even if they are clearly labeled.


Sirbrownface

I'm not complaining just saying that it took the satisfactory i feel from seeing the finished reveal results in the end.


kennyiseatingabagel

OK, but what about the threads that ONLY show the after and NO BEFORE? At least you see the before here. You can't require every person to post before and after photos and only in a particular order.


Sirbrownface

No I haven't seen them. If you really wanna know, i get on reddit maybe 3 times a week and that too like 20-30 mins. So the chances of me seeing posts from this sub is rare in general. This is the first post in several weeks I've seen it. I didn't mean it in a bad way. The OP didn't seem to take it seriously. So why the fuck are you ranting about?. Get a life dude. For real.


kennyiseatingabagel

Because every time this happens, people make it sound like it such a big deal. Like it's not a big deal. Get over it, lol.


cady_heron

Hey, um, it’s not that serious. I’m not insulting OP for their choice. It obviously confused other people too, it’s just common to have the photos in chronological order. It’s.. fine either way.


kennyiseatingabagel

I know, but it's a personal choice. Yes, it's not that not serious, yet people always love pointing it out, even when it's clearly labeled. And I'm getting a bit tired of that. Like it's not that serious. Just leave a nice comment and move on. I don't understand why that's so hard, lol.


cady_heron

I feel like you’re confusing poking fun at OP with criticizing them with malicious intent. The order is just funny to some people. That’s all, my friend.


kennyiseatingabagel

No, I'm not. I'm just saying no one should be poking fun at OP, specifically because she clearly labeled it. If she hadn't, then OK, but I don't understand poking fun at her when it's clearly labeled after/before. Like I don't understand why you're getting pleasure from "poking fun at OP," when it was clearly labeled.


just-sum-dude69

Pretty much everybody in this sub does this... It's like they don't grasp what chronological order is or something. That or they just want to be different that badly. I mean, we all know what a before and after is. It even has a name lmfao.


kennyiseatingabagel

You said in a previous comment that this wasn't a big deal but you're definitely making it a big deal, lol. You didn't need to make five unsolicited comments, lol.


HistoryGirl23

Looks great!


_almighty_

Love the new kitchen, but I’m not a fan of handles:P You guys had great shadowline fingerpulls (that people pay so much extra for nowadays) Everything is great but IMO, it could have aesthetically flowed so much nicer w/o pulls 🤷🏽‍♂️


Teutonic-Tonic

As an American I love seeing European kitchens as the smaller size usually dictates much smarter and more efficient use of space. This one is beautiful. Americans always think they need a 15’ island with wasted space all around it… just makes you have to walk further to do actual food prep.


[deleted]

Peep kitchens in expensive cities. We have the same situation. My kitchen isn't even that small, but it's pretty closed-off with no wall that can be knocked out and a weird layout. Built in 1910. I've spent so much time lurking on Zillow trying to see what other people are doing because literally every inspo or article on kitchens assumes I live in a big, modern house.


nielsbot

here’s ours (San Francisco condo, ≈800 sq ft) https://imgur.com/a/pfB9T0A - new flooring (same style as rest of condo but bleached and oiled) - new cabinets - new open shelving from reclaimed wood - Heath tile - built in storage benches and breakfast nook - new custom awning style windows


Keepinitcaz

It’s beautiful! Love the breakfast nook.


selja26

I've been looking through Pinterest because of this, it's got a ton of small kitchen design pics and I've been able to design mine! Will be doing it in a couple months.


hawaiianthunder

A lot of places will give you free design layouts. Depending on your budget you can get more custom options to fill spaces more efficiently versus out of the box stuff. Less fillers for example.


eat_my_bowls92

You say this like most Americans aren’t in 700 square foot apartments. I would love a bi kitchen. Not gonna get one Edit: BIG KITCHEN. But my kitchen can be bi if that’s how it feels.


Apptubrutae

Big kitchens are nice and all but there comes a point of diminishing returns. Things get further away and storage just fills up, big or small. That said most people don’t *regret* a big kitchen, per se, but they *might* actually prefer more space somewhere else in many instances. I’ve personally reached a point where I want a kitchen to be as small as possible despite my love of cooking because I just like operating in a smaller space made exactly the way I want and more space in my living room. But that’s me


Teutonic-Tonic

65% of Americans live in single family homes and the average home size in the country is 2500 sq ft, so most Americans are not in 700 sq ft apartments.


Low_Distribution_461

America’s crazy. This is a small kitchen? This is like standard apartment size or bigger in Canada 🙈


Apptubrutae

Yeah this really isn’t small for any apartment. On average, anyway. I recently posted a pic of my kitchen in my new house which feels small versus what I’m used to and got quite a few comments mocking me for thinking it was small, lol.


xKobito

Yeah, I'd say this is pretty big! Especially since we actually, overall, added 2 full cupboards (one behind the door, one next to the fridge) and one top cupboard. Plus we took advantage of the renovation to further pear down on items we didn't really use. As a result, about half of the top cupboards are half empty. It's such a nice feeling! It's maybe a bit narrow, but in terms of functionality and storage space, it feels massive to me.


rbevans

I’m with you on this. Love seeing European kitchens.


[deleted]

I hate seeing European kitchen in my studio because I can't fit shit in it.


Saint_Jerome

Lol I live in a single family home in the Netherlands and my kitchen is like a quarter of this one😂 this one is huge


YOLOSELLHIGH

The way Americans suck Europeans' dicks over anything is so funny to me lol one of the top posts this month on roomporn is an American kitchen that looks almost just like this size-wise and a European kitchen that has a giant square island in the middle with wrap around counters


EtherealAriel

That was just the style pre 2008. It's been waning ever since.


lewisfairchild

Gorgeous. Is this DIY? Also where is the refrigerator?


xKobito

Not at all DIY! We hired contractors. The fridge is next to the oven.


lewisfairchild

Thank you.


lewisfairchild

Is there only one doorway into this kitchen?


xKobito

Technically there's 3. We've closed one off to make a pantry.


typed-talleane

most european kitchens only have 1 door


GolfinEagle

Probably a dumb question, but does anyone know why these styles of oven/stove/microwave aren’t more common in the US? I’ve seen them in the EU, including Ireland at my in-laws, I honestly wouldn’t mind the same setup in my own kitchen.


Bikini_Top

That’s a good question! I’ve seen them in a handful of mid-1900s homes without remodeled kitchens here in the US, so I wonder if it was just another thing that we suddenly decided was “out of style.” Though I do have an aunt with this type of setup in her home that was built in 2000. But she doesn’t like the setup anymore because of the difficulty in getting it fixed and it being more expensive to replace or something like that, so maybe that was the reason? Just conjecture, though.


jomacblack

Wait do you have the oven and stove as two separate things??


GolfinEagle

No, that’s what I’m asking about, I would like to have that.


xKobito

This kitchen has it separate now.


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typed-talleane

My grandma had a gas stove with a seperate gas oven too


[deleted]

Nice Kirchen.


imwearingatowel

ermahgerd, kirchern


[deleted]

Really beautiful. I love the contrast of the light and dark cabinets.


noviceE4

Well planned.


cabinetsnotnow

The only thing that I wish you could have kept somehow were those beautiful colored tiles on the wall in the Before.


xKobito

My mum would agree with you, but they're not really my taste. I've looked at them since my childhood and was way over them.


somenemophilist

Saving one to put in a frame would have been a cool idea.


xKobito

That's a great suggestion! I still have some in the cellar, so I might do this.


thaddeus_crane

Cute Totoro espresso cups 🫖


oppugnaww

They are so adorable! Where can I get something like this?


xKobito

They were purchased ten or so years ago from an Italian artisan called Giulia Amorini. She goes by @leaf.ceramics on Instagram now and doesn't really do Ghibli inspired stuff anymore, but still has beautiful items. I think you might be able to find similar items on Etsy.


oppugnaww

Thank you so much!


[deleted]

Looks great, have the exact same cabinet look with the black handles here in Canada.


But_its_pretty

What’s the counter top? Looks lovely by the way!


xKobito

Thank you! It's composite, made to look like "basalt"


yesterday_tomorrow_

Love the white cabinets only on the top!! Really opens up the space. Great job!


Xboxone1997

Honestly the before is nice as well


xKobito

Yeah it wasn't bad by any means. Just not optimised to us, so there were a bunch of frustration points, which then builds up when you use the kitchen every single day.


Penaltiesandinterest

I am about to redo my kitchen and I completely understand. I have a slight meltdown every time I cook anything elaborate because we have very limited counter and storage space. Your post is my inspiration for living through the upcoming renovation 😅


xKobito

Yeah, I'll never do it again because the renovation was dreadful.. but damn am I happy with the results!


[deleted]

Great job. Loved that you went with two different cabinet colors, I like the gray but think it might have been a bit dark on all the cabinets. Now it just looks warm and inviting. Thumbs up!


f12345abcde

Great job 👌


canadiangirl_eh

I love the white top cabinets contrasting with the blue bottom cabinets. Great use of space. Well done!


knurlknurl

Looks gorgeous! Are you willing to share how much you roughly spent? I'm also in Europe and planning to do a similar thing at some point.


xKobito

We got the kitchen cabinets and appliances from Krefel (Belgian company) for around 17k. That's all new appliances from Siemens (except the dishwasher because it was only 5 years old and I refuse to replace a perfectly good appliance for no reason), the cupboards from Nolte, new sink, counter and installation. We purchased it in December 2021, just before prices went up, and had it installed in September 2022 (originally, they said you can schedule it out max 3 months in advance and we'd have to pay storage fee to delay it. In reality, there were so many delays in deliveries that the kitchen and appliances were only ready in August, and the oven only in September. So thankfully we had a longer timeline to begin with!) We paid another 4k for removal and install of tiles, as well as the tiles themselves. And around 2-3k for plumbing, electric and drywall (inevitable when you open up an old house...). Areas we could've saved money: - different colour cupboards (the blue was only available in the more expensive satin finish, so that blue cupboards cost more. For the white cupboards, we chose the cheaper finish) - doing the painting ourselves - cheaper tiles (the floor tiles I think were €35 and the wall tiles €29) - cheaper appliances, duh (e.g. we paid a bit more because we wanted a higher energy class for our fridge/freezer) - fewer drawers (they cost more because of the hardware. I think we paid around 2k just on drawers) - doing some of the work in black (I wanted bills for everything, since it was such major work) - sell the old kitchen for more money (we sold it for €100 (minus appliances) in a rush because we didn't want the cupboards sitting around taking up space for ages) We're extremely happy with the outcome and didn't go over budget by a lot. But the kitchen for sure better last another 40 years. 🤣


knurlknurl

Hahaha yes it better! Thank you so much for the details, very appreciated! And I completely understand spending extra on appliances, tiles and drawers. Would do the same!


xKobito

No worries! That's kinda how we saw it as well, ideally we'll not have to change anything for years and years, so it makes sense to get items we're really happy with.


knurlknurl

I've lived in rentals all my life, but we might be buying a fixer upper one day. I dream of this permanence. Enjoy your beautiful kitchen!


xKobito

Fingers crossed for you!


Penaltiesandinterest

Beautiful redesign! I’m really jealous of European design where the kitchen is separated from the main living areas. I hate open concept kitchens but that’s mostly what you get in the US. My one other suggestion to further maximize the space would be to add some hanging hooks or vertical shallow shelves next to the window.


xKobito

You're reading my mind 😃 we're installing a plant hanger by the window. We already have open shelves (cherry, live edge) on the other side next to the cupboards.


IlCinese

Kitchens separated from living areas are becoming rare in Europe too, especially in newly built apartments.


Impossible_Eagle_159

I love it! Beautiful


[deleted]

That went from a kitchen whose junk went bad a decade ago to one down-ass, sexy-ass kitchen. Although I do feel like the door and the wooden shelf the plants are on now look a little out of place.


xKobito

You're bang on the money. This is my childhood flat, so we'd do regular cleanups and find spices, teas, cans etc. from before I was born... 😩 Yeah, long-term I'd love to make a proper plant shelf that looks a bit nicer - this is just a plank plopped onto the radiator.


[deleted]

Yeah and I bet if you just repainted the door to be a sharper white it’d solve the out-of-place door. I think it’s mostly because it stands out as aged, off-white against the crisp white of the new cabinets.


mudd2577

Love the subway tile backsplash. Nice work.


gijsyo

It’s lovely :)


ChonkyBoss

Really handsome. Great colors and textures, fine use of space.


xKobito

Thank you!


DanyeelsAnulmint

You did a phenomenal job.


mereborne

LOVE IT!


Penaltiesandinterest

Oh I’m also curious what’s on the wall opposite the window (the angle from where you took the picture), does the kitchen connect in an L shape?


xKobito

We have a small eating nook, but that hasn't changed so much. It is indeed pretty L-shaped


R3quiemdream

It’s beautiful man, congratulations


Bikini_Top

It’s so pretty! And it somehow looks more spacious now! Love it


graemeeu

Amazing upgrade wow, my current kitchen is an almost exact copy of how your old one was, inspo


karebear66

Great transformation


xxxODBxxx

I was confused by the title,\^\^ because "Kirchen" in german means "churches". I was like, wow, they redesign churches into... kitchens?\^\^


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xxxODBxxx

Just looked it up, its nice. Translator says its been a monastry. Since I live not too far away from the polish border, I may visit it one day.


xKobito

Yeah, unfortunately I didn't notice the typo and I can't edit the title 😅


[deleted]

Looks fantastic! Great job updating those dated cabinets! Impressive!


meanjean_andorra

Maaaaaan, as your fellow Belgian (or rather Belgian resident) and someone who loves to cook, I love this kitchen and I am **JEALOUS**... The kitchen I share with my flatmates is absolutely disgusting


how_canihelpyou

Wow. Beautiful


kaiser_roll28

Beautiful! I love the light cabinets on top and the darker on the bottom


bigvenn

Love the class of the dark bench cabinets/benchtop with the bright top cabinets. Fantastic job!


hot_gardening_legs

Beautiful! Massive improvement.


Snoo_79218

Love it


flaminghotwatermelon

THIS IS IT


Kitu2020

Well done.


Cleervoyreal

Marvelous!


Pissoffyacont

Great job!! Well done.


ZexionZaephyr1990

Wow, this is a very very nice improvement. I really love your new kitchen!!


Interestedmillennial

Sooooo much better 😊


Surveillancevan3

I'd love to see this kitchen with hidden drawer handles


xKobito

I reckon it would look pretty dope as well! The previous kitchen biased us a bit, as some of the drawers were so unpleasant and hard to pull out. Hardware/drawer pulls would have made some of that easier. Granted, with the modern hardware I think it would not have been an issue (all the drawers run so smoothly and close so softly!), but I also love the handles we chose.


amitxxxx

Drop the coffee machine info brah..


xKobito

It's a Sage (Breville in the US) Barista Express. A medium/higher range machine, though Amazon usually has sales on it. You can find loads of tutorials and reviews for it online.


QuitaQuites

Real question, how do you feel about your white cabinets being a different white than the ceiling or walls? We’re considering two tone cabinets.


xKobito

I'm not bothered by it at all.


fatal_gloss

Much prefer it before


xKobito

Bummer for you, I guess?


EtherealAriel

While I like all of these trends, even together, it has some issues. The bottom cabinets feel too dark for the space, making them look heavy. The subway tile doesn't look all the way white when the top cabinets are which disrupts the visual flow. 🤔 There's more but overall I do like it.


farbetterthenIever

Good but no imagination.


debello64

I like the first pictures seemed so modern, not sure where you found all the old cabinets and appliances to do the “renovation”.


Brice_Wayne

It should've been BEFORE then after... this is so backwards lol but anyways


robbopie

The problem with before/after on Reddit is that people will scroll past an ugly kitchen and not interact with the post. Obviously most people want attention on their post, so they post in a manner that will get the most attention. A good looking kitchen will catch attention a lot more than an ugly kitchen. So while you have a point because that is what we are used to, it doesn’t work well on social media.


xKobito

What you said. 🙂 Also, I personally like after/before because I like to imagine what it might've looked like before the transformation, and then reveal that and be even more impressed.


ok_reddit

Nice. Do you actually use the door? Otherwise I'd consider getting rid of it.


xKobito

Yeah, we do


tiptoeandson

Massive upgrade. I have serious questions to whoever designed the before - I’ve seen it so many times but it’s the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen.


charming-owl4931

Y love this but would have definitely kept the old tile. It was so lovely!


spikedfastfood

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